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Also, the issue of Michael being an "alleged victim" seems wrong, however, it is appropriate from the standpoint of someone being innocent until proven guilty. So, altho it feels like a slap in the face right now, becuz Murray is planning to use the MJ injected himself theory, "alleged victim" is proper...for now. Once the facts are laid out for the jury to see that Michael was indeed a victim of Murray's callousness and Murray is found guilty, the word can then be legally applied. also, Murray can't use this issue on appeal to say the jury was negatively influenced by the word which denied him due process. Judge Pastor made the right call here, imo.
 
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wendy2004 said:
Also, the issue of Michael being an "alleged victim" seems wrong, however, it is appropriate from the standpoint of someone being innocent until proven guilty. So, altho it feels like a slap in the face right now, becuz Murray is planning to use the MJ injected himself theory, "alleged victim" is proper...for now. Once the facts are laid out for the jury to see that Michael was indeed a victim of Murray's callousness and Murray is found guilty, the word can then be legally applied. also, Murray can't use this issue on appeal to say the jury was negatively influenced by the word which denied him due process. Judge Pastor made the right call here, imo.
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Yes, I agree ... people should really try not to get too upset about all the "legal speak", we'll hear a lot more of it.
 
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The woman who said she saw Muarry convicted, said the right thing, even though it was a mistake. Interesting that Rice was dismissed, so there are no activist types on the panel and no doctors. The person who asked whether the pedestrian used a cross-walk, probably wanted to be excused!!!!

As some noticed the media is focusing their reports on the defense--the side that is going to show Michael in a scandalous light--sounds familiar? This is another clue in the way the reports will be given. We are lucky we have this televised.
 
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Petrarose said:
As some noticed the media is focusing their reports on the defense--the side that is going to show Michael in a scandalous light--sounds familiar? This is another clue in the way the reports will be given. We are lucky we have this televised.
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:no: :doh:

Not again!!!!!Why the truth is always boring for many people!!!!???

I really hope, I bet all of you too, the jurors get to see how negligent Dr. Muderer was in those key moments! *crossed fingers*
 
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wendy2004 said:
Also, the issue of Michael being an "alleged victim" seems wrong, however, it is appropriate from the standpoint of someone being innocent until proven guilty. So, altho it feels like a slap in the face right now, becuz Murray is planning to use the MJ injected himself theory, "alleged victim" is proper...for now. Once the facts are laid out for the jury to see that Michael was indeed a victim of Murray's callousness and Murray is found guilty, the word can then be legally applied. also, Murray can't use this issue on appeal to say the jury was negatively influenced by the word which denied him due process. Judge Pastor made the right call here, imo.
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I know what you are trying to explain, and that what matters is what finally gets demonstrated, not the words used to "qualify"...but I still find it hard and illogical to omit such an obvious fact.

Even in the preliminary hearing the coroner said he would still rule it out as a homicide, even if allowing for the defense theory of the self-administration.
All lawyers till now (Mesereau, Matt Semino...) have used the word "victim". Besides, there has not been any mention of the hiding of medical evidence before calling Emergencies, the delay to call the ambulance, the CPR on soft surface one handed...

Yes I know, we should be patient... but at times that seems impossible. :no::(
 
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^^I know what you mean.
 
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TMZ has obtained the questionnaires from the jurors who were selected to sit in judgement of Dr. Conrad Murray in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case. Here are some highlights.

Juror #127 Mexican-American female, 54 years old, property manager, she has a daughter who was an alcohol and drug user 5 years ago, and she thinks famous people -- notably Paris, Britney and Lindsay -- are treated differently in court. She loved MJ's music as a girl.

Juror #145 White male, 45, partner in management consulting firm, wife is pediatric nurse at a hospital, he's served twice on a jury before (murder and rape cases), watched "This is It" on Netflix.

Juror #61 White female, 57, unemployed, worked in past for Red Cross, divorced, listens to NPR, followed the OJ Simpson cases, her younger brother uses drugs, served 5 times on a jury.

Juror #70 White male, 54, college professor of animation and art, created characters for motion pictures at Disney, followed OJ trial, convicted of DUI, thinks celebs are not treated the same by police and can bend rules. MJ fan.

Juror #44 Cuban/Mexican-White, watches History Channel, Pawn Stars, Sons of Anarchy and Modern Family, listens to Howard Stern, family members with alcohol addiction, served on a civil jury, fan of MJ, especially Thriller.

Juror #49 White female, 43, head of communications for international marketing firm, watches NCIS and Hawaii Five-0, and motor sports/speed channel, worked in medical marketing, juror in criminal child sexual abuse case involving incest, does not think cops are more lenient with celebs.

Juror #100 white female, 48, paralegal for 30 years, watches Big Brother, Survivor, Amazing Race, watched Casey Anthony trial, brother is an EMT, people of wealth and fame treated differently in court system.

Juror #52 Mexican male, 51, USPS letter carrier, watches Law and Order, wife is back-office medical assistant, fan of MJ.

Juror #99 Hispanic male, 42, school bus driver, father was addicted to alcohol, father-in-law died from alcohol abuse, served on a jury, MJ fan.

Juror #38 Hispanic female, 36, customer service rep, filed for bankruptcy, listens to Ryan Seacrest on radio, watched Casey Anthony trial because it involved a child, former employer is a doctor, father was an absent alcoholic, shot in a drive-by shooting in 1993, on a DUI jury, MJ fan.

Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, cousin is a judge and another cousin who's a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.

Juror #108 male "Wasp," 32, book seller, watches So You Think You Can Dance, Project Runway, girlfriend, in U.S. Army National Guard, grandparents attended AA, brother got DUI recently, thrown from a horse once, juror in civil trial, trained actor, MJ fan.
 
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I was watching HLN today and this journalist says we will hear things that will permanently damage Michael's legacy. They will say anything to get us to watch their channel. Bastards.

If there was anything out there so awful about Michael we would have heard it by now. Sadly there are people who live to trash people. I truly believe there is nothing more about Michael that we don't already know.

I am under the impression that this judge isn't going to allow things that aren't specifically related to the case. Good
 
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Jury selected for Jackson doctor's trial

By Alex Dobuzinskis, Reuters September 23, 2011 6:02 PM


LOS ANGELES - A 12-person jury was selected on Friday to hear the manslaughter trial of Michael Jackson's former doctor in a process one prosecutor likened to "speed dating."

The panel of seven men and five women includes one man who said he briefly met Jackson when he worked at Walt Disney Co in the 1980s and the singer was starring in a "Captain EO" film that was a Disney theme park attraction. That juror told attorneys he could approach the trial fairly.

The jurors have a wide range of professions, including a bookseller, school bus driver, paralegal and professor, according to questionnaires released after the selection.

Half of the panelists selected were Caucasian and five were Hispanic. The panel also includes one African American juror. Jackson was black and so is the defendant, Dr. Conrad Murray.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor limited the amount of time lawyers for both sides could question potential jurors on Friday, when the first day of direct questioning began. He aimed to seat the panel quickly and stay on track to begin the trial's opening arguments on Tuesday.

Friday's proceeding is the culmination of weeks of close scrutiny of the jury pool. Earlier this month 370 potential jurors completed a 30-page questionnaire, beginning the process of narrowing the pool to the 12 people now selected.

Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter in the "Thriller" singer's death on June 25, 2009, at age 50.

Prosecutors said Murray caused Jackson's death by giving him the powerful anesthetic propofol as a sleep aid at the singer's Los Angeles mansion and not properly monitoring him.

Defense attorneys are expected to say Jackson administered a fatal dose himself while Murray was out of the room.

At the start of Friday's questioning, all the potential jurors said they were familiar with the case, and on Friday some of them were asked to speak about their views of Jackson in open court.

One woman said she remembers him from his days as a singing child star with the Jackson 5 decades ago. Murray's lead defense attorney, Ed Chernoff, asked if she thought Jackson was particularly childlike as an adult. The woman said "no."

Chernoff also asked potential jurors if they believed that, due to a childlike nature, Jackson was less able to make reasonable decisions.

"Does anyone think Michael Jackson should be held to a different level of responsibility?" Chernoff asked the potential panelists. None of them said Jackson should.

The answers to that question could be a key determining factor for Murray's attorneys if they seek to show the "Thriller" singer bore some responsibility for his own death, which medical examiners have said resulted from an overdose of propofol and sedatives.

Deputy district attorney David Walgren used an analogy to jurors: Imagine a drunken driver listening to music and hitting a pedestrian who was also not paying attention as he walked into the street.

That hypothetical appeared to be an attempt to elicit views of whether Murray or Jackson was most at fault. Potential jurors' responses varied, but some of them said the driver might be guilty if he bore some responsibility for the death.

Murray faces a maximum sentence of four years in prison if convicted.
 
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ilmjj said:
I was watching HLN today and this journalist says we will hear things that will permanently damage Michael's legacy. They will say anything to get us to watch their channel. Bastards.

If there was anything out there so awful about Michael we would have heard it by now. Sadly there are people who live to trash people. I truly believe there is nothing more about Michael that we don't already know.

I am under the impression that this judge isn't going to allow things that aren't specifically related to the case. Good
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Like what? If Michael's legacy survived all the terrible done to him when he was here it can survive now. I just pray the right outcome happens. I feel like the media want Murray to walk. I am worried.
 
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ilmjj said:
I was watching HLN today and this journalist says we will hear things that will permanently damage Michael's legacy. They will say anything to get us to watch their channel. Bastards.

If there was anything out there so awful about Michael we would have heard it by now. Sadly there are people who live to trash people. I truly believe there is nothing more about Michael that we don't already know.

I am under the impression that this judge isn't going to allow things that aren't specifically related to the case. Good
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How is MJ's rep going to be permanently damaged? If 2003-2005 didn't do it, I don't see how this will.. This trial is about Murray's recklessness, not MJ. I highly doubt if judge Pastor will allow this to get off track. He has already eliminated witnesses who had nothing to offer to Murray's care. If anything Murray's reputation as a doctor should be truly damaged due to his negligence of his patient
 
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marebear said:
Like what? If Michael's legacy survived all the terrible done to him when he was here it can survive now. I just pray the right outcome happens. I feel like the media want Murray to walk. I am worried.
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I totally agree. Like what is right.. MJ hired Murray to take care of him for these shows. If anything Murray let MJ down. There is going to be a lot of evidence showing Murray's recklessness that's for sure. Murray's lies to the EMT and the ER doctors won't go over to well that's for sure. And Murray telling AEG, and Ortega and the Lloyd's of London insurance companies that MJ was fine and healthy.That won't go over too well for Murray. He was telling folks his patient was healthy and fine yet he was pumping him full of drugs nightly?
 
myosotis;3490430 said:
PatrickNBCLA Patrick Healy


#ConradMurray attorney Ed Chernoff to prospective jurors: "Part of this trial frankly is going to be about Micharl Jackson's life."

InSession In Session
#ConradMurray 's attny asked potential jurors Do you believe #MichaelJackson is less capable of making decisions that somebody else his age?

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#ConradMurray attorney Chernoff asked prospective jurors if Michael Jackson was "childlike...not capable of making decisions?"


InSession In Session
The defense also asked: Do you believe #MichaeJackson should be held to a different level of responsibility than somebody his age?

InSession In Session
One more question from #ConradMurray ‘s defense: Does anybody believe that Dr. Murray is partially responsible for #MichaelJackson ‘s death?



PatrickNBCLA Patrick Healy
Kudos to AP's Linda Deutsch and CNS's Terry Vermeulen, serving as pool reporters during morning jury selection session for


Civil rights attorney Connie Rice Among potential jurors? (I can see this in text but no reference as yet...willupdate if / when I have it...assume its for the same trial....)
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Shaking my head repeatedly as I read this. Not capable of making decisons? Obviously they do not know the meaning of "child-like." Being child-like is having a child's heart, not literally and mentally being an irresponsible, immature child! What the hell. And that last question...no words at all. This is going to be a long, bumpy ride. Dearest Michael, I'm sorry. :( As for any of this destroying Michael's legacy permanently, I do not believe one bit. Michael's name has been literally dragged through hell for the longest time now and it still has not been permanently destroyed. These people will say anything at this point to get ratings and attention. I am not worried about his legacy. He will be just fine.
 
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Damn...The jury is picked now....I'm getting nervous again....it's like 05 again! Oh god!
 
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ilmjj said:
I was watching HLN today and this journalist says we will hear things that will permanently damage Michael's legacy. They will say anything to get us to watch their channel. Bastards.

If there was anything out there so awful about Michael we would have heard it by now. Sadly there are people who live to trash people. I truly believe there is nothing more about Michael that we don't already know.

I am under the impression that this judge isn't going to allow things that aren't specifically related to the case. Good
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That's what some members of the media want. They seem to think that this will be their last chance to destroy him. They don't care that Michael is the victim. Thank goodness that the judge seems to realize that Michael is not on trial, Murray is.
 
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I wish the media would leave michael alone!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS TRIAL IS BOUT MURRAY NOT MICHAEL JACKSON!
 
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Oh.. I have been seeing some awful advertisment type commentary already on @HLN Tonight I saw a 'psychoanalysis' speaking about Michael ...all awful speculations. They are definetly on the "let's pull the MJ fans are crazy.." " Michael was their Saviour and Murray is the Devil" BS! smdh...
 
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ilmjj said:
I was watching HLN today and this journalist says we will hear things that will permanently damage Michael's legacy. They will say anything to get us to watch their channel. Bastards.

If there was anything out there so awful about Michael we would have heard it by now. Sadly there are people who live to trash people. I truly believe there is nothing more about Michael that we don't already know.

I am under the impression that this judge isn't going to allow things that aren't specifically related to the case. Good
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NOTHING! I REPEAT NOTHING!! WILL PERMANENTLY DAMAGE MICHAEL'S LEGACY!!!!!!!! This is all hype and nastiness. What are they going to say that they have not already said. Worse things have been done by certain dead stars and their legacy remained.

You are right. They think if people believe there will be dirt, they will tune into the program.

TMez said that when Michael's verdict was read, the reporters faces looked gloom and they look bewildered because they wanted him to be guilty. He was approached by a certain person who told him how they had planned to keep the michael story in the news for months and months. They had planned to do updates on where he was in prison, what he was eating on particular days, how his health was, in fact a full scale milking of the Michael Jackson story. The person told him that TMez had caused many news businesses to lose money by the non-guilty verdict.

That is why I keep telling you guys to be positive. The media has an agenda. They want to see Muarry innocent so they could have this story going on until December, expanding on all the negative things that the defense hope to disclose about Michael. They forget that the judge is only going to allow the defense to go so far. Don't let the media pull you down. Think positive thoughts and tunnel that energy into victory for Michael so it will come about.
 
Ok it is official, I hate Brian Oxman!! Just saw the blow hole on Dr Drew. Why do they even think Oxman is cridible? Isn't he about to be disbarred? Oxman says no way MJ could have done those 50 shows. His back was broken. Randy and LaToya called him frantic with worry."Oh NO!!! Doing 50 shows will kill Michael" they say. "What are these people thinking?" All I could think at that moment was Michael couldn't do TII but he could do the family reunion tour? hmmmm...

Oxman says Murray is only 50% responsible for MJ's death and Murray will name names during the trial. I just get the feeling Oxman is preparing for the AEG lawsuit.

Did I mention that I hate Brian Oxman?
 
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LONG POST ALERT!: Get a cup of tea or scroll on past. ::timer:

MsCassieMollie said:
TMZ has obtained the questionnaires from the jurors who were selected to sit in judgement of Dr. Conrad Murray in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case. Here are some highlights.
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Below is not scientific or an expert opinion..nor a legal opinion....just my personal layman's opinion on what I see when reading these bios. I could be wrong so take it with a grain of salt unless something rings true for you as well.

Also, when I use the terms addict/addiction/substance abuse below I'm using it in the context of how the Prosecution can make these people's exposure to alcoholism/substance abuse work in the State's favor IF Murray's team takes the "addict" angle. Let me be perfectly CLEAR that I personally DO NOT believe Michael was an addict of anything as I've NOT seen ANY credible evidence that suggests or convinces me of such TO THIS DATE and IN RELATION to this case or his death. So please, no one jump on me for using the words. It is not MY belief. :flowers:

Juror #127 Mexican-American female, 54 years old, property manager, she has a daughter who was an alcohol and drug user 5 years ago, and she thinks famous people -- notably Paris, Britney and Lindsay -- are treated differently in court. She loved MJ's music as a girl.

Positives: She will know that addicts don't leave unused or barely taken meds (which are months old) hanging around. The celebrity thing is a negative but the idea that she loved MJ's music as a girl is probably a connection she doesn't have with Paris, Brit, or Lohan. For that reason she may be more receptive to evidence against Murray.

Juror #145 White male, 45, partner in management consulting firm, wife is pediatric nurse at a hospital, he's served twice on a jury before (murder and rape cases), watched "This is It" on Netflix.

Positives: He's served on a jury before and is probably more seasoned about what to look for as far as evidence is concerned and when Murray's team is presenting BS. It would be interesting to find out what the verdicts were in those 2 cases he served on. Can he convict or is he a juror that sets the bar so high so that the teeniest bit of doubt can be considered reasonable? He watched TII and may have some ideas in the back of his mind about how MJ appeared physically and/or mentally. Other than being thin I've not heard anyone look at TII and think MJ was knocking on death's door.

Negatives: Doesn't say if he likes MJ's music or is a fan. Did he watch TII out of curiousity or becuz he was a fan?

Juror #61 White female, 57, unemployed, worked in past for Red Cross, divorced, listens to NPR, followed the OJ Simpson cases, her younger brother uses drugs, served 5 times on a jury.

Positives:probably knows that an addict doesn't leave unused meds around for long periods of time. Seasoned about the court process and what to look for as a juror. An NPR fan probably means she keeps up with an independent news source that doesn't necessarily follow a conservative or tabloid (i.e. Foxnews) type mentality;somewhat liberal?

Negatives: Followed the OJ Simpson case. Not sure how to read that without knowing how she felt about the verdict.
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Juror #70 White male, 54, college professor of animation and art, created characters for motion pictures at Disney, followed OJ trial, convicted of DUI, thinks celebs are not treated the same by police and can bend rules. MJ fan.

Positives: MJ fan...he has a connection. Creative personality...can think outside of the box and possibly open-minded.

Negatives: The OJ thing. lol. Tough call without knowing what he felt about the verdict...just or unjust? He probably isn't a fan of the State having been prosecuted for DUI...especially if he felt his conviction was unjustified in any way. Borderline juror to me.

Juror #44 Cuban/Mexican-White, watches History Channel, Pawn Stars, Sons of Anarchy and Modern Family, listens to Howard Stern, family members with alcohol addiction, served on a civil jury, fan of MJ, especially Thriller.

Positives: A fan of MJ when she was younger. The "especially" Thriller part (not sure if those were her direct words) may suggest it was a meaningful time/era for her; might make her more open or sympathetic (even unconsciously) to someone harming him. Has some idea about addiction and probably knows what behaviors fit and which do not.

Negatives: Howard Stern... (Lawd). Borderline juror. Could go either way, imo.

Juror #49 White female, 43, head of communications for international marketing firm, watches NCIS and Hawaii Five-0, and motor sports/speed channel, worked in medical marketing, juror in criminal child sexual abuse case involving incest, does not think cops are more lenient with celebs.

Positives: Watches a lot of cop shows where the bad guys get caught. The experience in medical marketing may give her some insight on medical equipment or medication. She may have some idea about proper procedure for obtaining medical equipment and or meds; how doctors SHOULD deal with their patients...or how they are expected to deal with them. The idea that she feels cops are as tough on celebs as anyone is a plus...tho iffy...as lots of ppl tend to feel the opposite. If she's being honest...it's a good thing.

Negatives: No mention of her being an MJ fan or liking the music. Saying she doesn't believe celebs get away with stuff could be a bunch of hooey and she just wants to be on this jury;stealth juror for the defense. Having been a juror on a sex abuse case is iffy cuz we don't know (at this point) what her opinion of MJ is or if she even has one.

Borderline...imo. I feel he could be very persuasive for either side depending on which way he leans. Being in communications means she knows how talk to people and present things; be persuasive.

Juror #100 white female, 48, paralegal for 30 years, watches Big Brother, Survivor, Amazing Race, watched Casey Anthony trial, brother is an EMT, people of wealth and fame treated differently in court system.

Positives: Paralegal and has lots of experience with the legal system, procedure and whatnot. Her brother being an EMT may have exposed her to what is or isn't proper with regards to CPR. If she's bitter about the Casey Anthony verdict, she may be itching to put somebody away.

Negatives: Seems to watch lots of reality TV and could be looking for her 15 minutes of reality TV fame with this case. The idea that people who are famous aren't treated equally could make her more sympathetic to Murray. If she's NOT bitter about the Anthony verdict, it may suggest she really takes the letter of the law seriously and is willing to make an unpopular and/or unexpected decision. No mention of her opinion on MJ or his music, thus far.

Her experience as a paralegal means she could be very persuasive for those who are on the fence about whether to convict or not.

Juror #52 Mexican male, 51, USPS letter carrier, watches Law and Order, wife is back-office medical assistant, fan of MJ.

Positives: Fan of MJ could lead to a slight connection...even if unconsciously, imo. He watches Law and Order; probably familiar with some legal aspects (if only in tvland). Most ppl watch cop shows to see the bad guys get caught...not get away. So I'd say he's a person that likes to see justice done. His wife's medical connection might indicate he has some exposure to medical terms or whatnot.

Negatives: USPS letter carrier. He could lose his job soon with all the cutbacks and possible bankruptcy. Might be persuaded to render a controversial verdict that could lead to a quick payday.

Juror #99 Hispanic male, 42, school bus driver, father was addicted to alcohol, father-in-law died from alcohol abuse, served on a jury, MJ fan.

Positives: MJ fan; could make him sympathetic...unconsciously. He probably knows what happens to the body when someone is abusing a substance. Autopsy results that show MJ's body and organs in good condition could be influential in convincing him that MJ was killed not by addiction but by Murray's lack of proper care/monitoring.

Juror #38 Hispanic female, 36, customer service rep, filed for bankruptcy, listens to Ryan Seacrest on radio, watched Casey Anthony trial because it involved a child, former employer is a doctor, father was an absent alcoholic, shot in a drive-by shooting in 1993, on a DUI jury, MJ fan.

Positives: MJ fan. Possibly itching to dish out justice after being denied in the Anthony case (my guess is if she watched becuz it involved a child, odds are she was sympathetic to the child). If Anthony lawyers are indeed somehow involved in Murray's case (think I glanced that but not sure it was confirmed)...there may be some unresolved "issues" there. Same for all the other Anthony trial watchers.
Probably has some medical experience having worked for a doctor; may understand medical terminology, protocol and the like.

Having been a victim in a shooting could make her identify more with an "alleged victim" as opposed to the perpetrator (Murray). Juror experience means she knows what to look for as a juror; not inexperienced (tho it would be nice to know whether the jury convicted or not in that case she served on).

Negatives: Listens to Ryan Seacrest...not the most informative and accurate as far as news sources go...imo. Filed for bankruptcy; could be looking to use trial as vehicle for 15 minutes and $$$$.

I'm thinking she could be a contender for persuading those who are on the fence.

Jury #128 African American male, 54, technical director for TV, cousin is a judge and another cousin who's a lawyer, his dad died of alcoholism, juror on 3 cases, loved the Jackson 5 as a kid, now likes Jay Z.

Positives: Lots of positive influences with the judicial/legal system and has a respect/trust in it. Probably knows what the body of someone who has suffered consistant substance abuse looks like on the inside; how it's ravished and broken down. Autopsy results and coroner observations could be influential with him. Experienced juror. Murray's team won't be able to pull the okie doke on him. And of course, the J5 connection is a plus.

Negatives: He mentions loving the J5 when he was a kid. What about liking Michael Jackson...the individual...as an adult? He seems to be going wayyy back to establish his MJ connection which could be telling on how he's felt about MJ since J5 days. Hmmm.....

Juror #108 male "Wasp," 32, book seller, watches So You Think You Can Dance, Project Runway, girlfriend, in U.S. Army National Guard, grandparents attended AA, brother got DUI recently, thrown from a horse once, juror in civil trial, trained actor, MJ fan.

Positives: Thrown from a horse (I don't mean this was a good thing that happened to him); has some idea and possible exposure to pain meds if he had to take them. Would be interesting to know if he was ever addicted to his meds or if his injury ever healed and he no longer needed them. Not sure why else the horse thing would be mentioned or relevant in his bio, otherwise. Has some juror experience. Being a trained actor and viewer of SYTYCD--I would guess he's a creative and lover of the arts. Project Runway is an interesting choice for a 32 y.o. "Wasp" tho. Wonder if he categorized himself as a WASP or the persn writing the descriptions did?. Maybe he watches it with his girlfriend? :ph34r: If not, then I'd say he was open-minded; possibly a fashion fan. MJ fan is a plus.

Negatives: He's a trained actor. Is he really an MJ fan or pretending to be one for the sake of getting picked by the Prosecution? Could be looking for his 15 minutes with this trial.

Not sure what to make of the National Guard thing except to say it may suggest he's patriotic and believes in/understands discipline; rules and procedures that should never be wavered from (medical protocol for administering propofol, for example...a doctor who takes an oath but tosses it aside, for example). This could be a positive attribute now that I think about it. Hmm....

Overall, I think the jury has an interesting mix of people with experience as jurors; not good for Murray, imo. Quite a few have some sort of legal background or an affinity for the law via tv shows; good for the Prosecution. A few have medical knowledge which, if they all agree on certain things, could be good for one side and bad for the other. And with the majority having some experience with addictions/substance abuse in their families, they could all agree or disagree on a few things. Having picked so many ppl with this type of background it appears the Prosecution has faith in being able to combat this angle if Murray goes there. When considering Murray's witness list, they have a good reason to be confident, imo.

At the same token, there's a lot of experience here that could lead to folks locking horns. Strong personalities with the gift of persuasion, if they agree, can sway the rest. If those strong personalites disagree, call Houston...we're going to have a problem. Feeling 80% good about this jury, thus far. As more info about them comes out that number could change.
 
ilmjj said:
Ok it is official, I hate Brian Oxman!! Just saw the blow hole on Dr Drew. Why do they even think Oxman is cridible? Isn't he about to be disbarred? Oxman says no way MJ could have done those 50 shows. His back was broken. Randy and LaToya called him frantic with worry."Oh NO!!! Doing 50 shows will kill Michael" they say. "What are these people thinking?" All I could think at that moment was Michael couldn't do TII but he could do the family reunion tour? hmmmm...

Oxman says Murray is only 50% responsible for MJ's death and Murray will name names during the trial. I just get the feeling Oxman is preparing for the AEG lawsuit.

Did I mention that I hate Brian Oxman?
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Did he really say Michael's back was broken? :blink:
 
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Petrarose said:
NOTHING! I REPEAT NOTHING!! WILL PERMANENTLY DAMAGE MICHAEL'S LEGACY!!!!!!!! This is all hype and nastiness. What are they going to say that they have not already said. Worse things have been done by certain dead stars and their legacy remained.

You are right. They think if people believe there will be dirt, they will tune into the program.

TMez said that when Michael's verdict was read, the reporters faces looked gloom and they look bewildered because they wanted him to be guilty. He was approached by a certain person who told him how they had planned to keep the michael story in the news for months and months. They had planned to do updates on where he was in prison, what he was eating on particular days, how his health was, in fact a full scale milking of the Michael Jackson story. The person told him that TMez had caused many news businesses to lose money by the non-guilty verdict.

That is why I keep telling you guys to be positive. The media has an agenda. They want to see Muarry innocent so they could have this story going on until December, expanding on all the negative things that the defense hope to disclose about Michael. They forget that the judge is only going to allow the defense to go so far. Don't let the media pull you down. Think positive thoughts and tunnel that energy into victory for Michael so it will come about.
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All of this! ^^ And please, for your own health and sanity STOP watching shows that announce panelists you know are F.O.S (full of ish). Stick to the FACTS that come out in the trial which have survived the test of cross-examination. The rest is sensationalism, exaggeration and hyperbole. Many of us saw this in 2005. The media is doing exactly what we expected. Unless they have a call-in segment where you can call in and call them out on erroneous info or to make valid points, watching that foolishness will do you no good. Best thing fans can do is when you find a journalist or show that tries to be fair and present an accurate picture, you stick to that and make sure to commend them on it in hopes they continue.

I have yet to watch most of the BS I've been hearing about in tweets online. Unless I know someone like Tmez or a credible person is on the panel I don't click the links. Saving all my energy and stregnth for the actual trial coverage. The talking heads aren't interested in justice...only ratings and headlines. They don't give a damn if Murray walks. This is another story/job to them; another chance to beat up on Michael.

The fight is JUST beginning. The ugliness is JUST starting. (omg...Will You Be There just now came on the Weather Channel for my Local weather on the 8's...an instrumental version. whoa!)
 
Jury Seated & Trial Ready to Roll

After a nearly two-week selection process, a seven-man, five-woman jury was sworn in today, marking the official start of Murray's trial for involuntary manslaughter in the 2009 death of Michael Jackson.

Opening statements are scheduled to begin Tuesday.

Two men and four women were selected as alternate jurors, but one woman was later dismissed. The judge estimates that the trial, which will be televised, will last five weeks.

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One man was accepted for the jury despite saying he formerly worked at Walt Disney Studio and had been introduced to the singer when he was making Captain EO, a short science fiction film that was shown at Disney theme parks for about 10 years starting in 1986. The man said the meeting would not affect his judgment in the case.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi.../09/michael-jackson-overdose-trial-underway/1
 
ilmjj said:
I was watching HLN today and this journalist says we will hear things that will permanently damage Michael's legacy. They will say anything to get us to watch their channel. Bastards.If there was anything out there so awful about Michael we would have heard it by now. Sadly there are people who live to trash people. I truly believe there is nothing more about Michael that we don't already know.I am under the impression that this judge isn't going to allow things that aren't specifically related to the case. Good
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can ppl please stop watching that channel or if u are going to dont post the info here.your first paragraph says everything.
 
marebear said:
Like what? If Michael's legacy survived all the terrible done to him when he was here it can survive now. I just pray the right outcome happens. I feel like the media want Murray to walk. I am worried.
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Nothing is worse than what mj was accused of in 03-05 and what was said in court. this is why i asked that HLN be banned from here. of course the media want him to walk.they hate mike and will get big ratings from all the interviews with murray where they can attack mj freely
 
ilmjj said:
Ok it is official, I hate Brian Oxman!! Just saw the blow hole on Dr Drew. Why do they even think Oxman is cridible? Isn't he about to be disbarred? Oxman says no way MJ could have done those 50 shows. His back was broken. Randy and LaToya called him frantic with worry."Oh NO!!! Doing 50 shows will kill Michael" they say. "What are these people thinking?" All I could think at that moment was Michael couldn't do TII but he could do the family reunion tour? hmmmm...

Oxman says Murray is only 50% responsible for MJ's death and Murray will name names during the trial. I just get the feeling Oxman is preparing for the AEG lawsuit.

Did I mention that I hate Brian Oxman?
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Dito

He is just think about his cut from the AEG lawsuit, to hell with justice for Michael.
 
The make up of the jury looks pretty good.

And i see more posts about HLN. sorry but i dont come here to read what trash has been on that channel. this place is a haven. if u wanna torment yourself by watching it go ahead but dont bring it here. im sorry but we have been here before and things will be
hard enough
 
I feel like shit today because I had a bad sleep. Reading about the jurors, now feel like crying - this is going to be a long haul. I bought a new MJ decal for my car, which I wanted in time for the trial so I'm glad it arrived on time in the mail. I will put it on my car tomorrow.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
The make up of the jury looks pretty good.

And i see more posts about HLN. sorry but i dont come here to read what trash has been on that channel. this place is a haven. if u wanna torment yourself by watching it go ahead but dont bring it here. im sorry but we have been here before and things will be hard enough
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I have to agree with Elusive here. Guys, if you hate that trash, the only way to make it disappear is to decrease their audience : change the channel. And ignore it.

We know it will happen, we've been there before. And please let this place remain a garbage free zone.
 
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