Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

At least they're aware I wish the estate said that crap project isn't authorized or tell Howard Mann to cease.

 

[ivy]

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[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

and if anyone needed any proof Sonia Lowe still working with Mann see below. DC NetCast is Howard Mann's company. Also you can see the participants of this documentary.

Katherine, Prince, Paris, Blanket, Joe, Tito, Gladys Knight, Ronald Alexenberg, Tom Mesereau and Travis Payne

 

[pug]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

This whole thing comes across as tacky and third rate, no where near the high standards that Michael Jackson set for his artistic endeavors. Personally I feel Mrs. Jackson has exposed me to more, much more, than I would like to know regarding Michael Jackson's personal life. I believe that his children's memories of him should not be shared with John Q. Public to be twisted and turned into something that is not true. They should keep them in their hearts and with each other.

 

[Bubs]

Why not? the executors can choose to whom to license the rights to MJ image and likeness irrespective of whether Mann has the money or not. the same way you can choose to whom to sell your own personal belongings.

Tygger doesn't know what she/he is talking about. The estate controls Michael's music via ATV, and if they don't want Howard Mann to get Michael's music, thats is then.
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In order to acquire a license a filmmaker must find out who owns the copyright. This information can usually be found on the CD packaging (if anyone still buy CDs), the band’s website, or on the U.S. Copyright website. The music artist does not usually handle the administering of licenses. Generally the artist assigns the copyright of the musical composition to a publishing company that administers synchronization licenses and distributes royalties to the artist. A filmmaker should generally contact ASCAP or BMI to acquire the synchronization license. The copyright of the sound recording is usually owned by the record company, which administers the master use license and distributes royalties to the artist. To acquire the master use license the filmmaker should contact the record label itself. Many media companies have set up an easy to use online system, but they are bombarded with requests. So a filmmaker must be persistent and actually call the record label to acquire a master use license. For mechanical licenses, a filmmaker can usually acquire the license through the Harry Fox Agency.

Licensing can be a complicated, frustrating process. Yet, the copyright owners have exclusive rights over the music and using the music in a film will generally not be considered a fair use. Therefore, to avoid litigation a filmmaker must acquire the necessary licenses before including any music in their film.
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[Korgnex]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

From MaxJax:

According to what's being claimed by Joseph's publicist, Katherine, MJ's kids and Randy Jackson are involved along with Howard Mann and his business partner, Ms Lowe.

*Edit*
Not sure, whether this is just a restatement from ivy's original posting here.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

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Even if the money was going towards licensing fees, I really doubt the Estate would give them permission for that especially with Mann attached. So, where does the money that is collected go to? Fans won't be getting it back, so then that leaves Katherine's cubs lol. It looks like a clever scheme of funneling money on the surface, but what's not clever is their expectations that a lot of fans will donate money to fund this mockumentary.

 

[LastTear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

They made some good points but it's a shame that they didn't know what we know.

 

[Bubs]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

^^ We should start posting info about Howard M and KJ selling kids to the porn producer to the media outlets, + other information we have about their dealings. KJ must be stopped and made aware of what she is doing is not right. Compare to Michael, media go easy on her. If Mj had done something like this, media would have been all over him, but KJ get free pass! Isn't there any reporter who is ready and willing to investigate KJ shady deals with crooks and then call her out?

She keeps bringing these crooks to kids life, and most certainly they don't need introduction that sort of people this early on their lives.


I saw TMezz and Travis P are participating on this document? I would understand TP, but TMezz? Has he got no dignity as to which projects he allows his name to be associated? First Cry babe Sullivan's book, and now this?

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

You know what, it should say this:

From the family that threw Michael under the bus
in the recent lawsuit against AEG Live
in their quest for money... erm, sorry, truth

 

[Tygger]

Seeing there are at least 7 fans who have willingly paid extra $ to get a movie poster of that artwork of mj serving up pancakes we need to accept that there are some people beyond help and rational argument.

Very much agreed.

*Edit*
Not sure, whether this is just a restatement from ivy's original posting here.

It misstates what Ivy's post was:

I got an email from Joe Jackson's publicist.

She told me this documentary is an exclusive Katherine and MJ's children project and Randy Jackson and no other family members are behind it.

Estate releases a statement

Hello:


The Estate of Michael Jackson has no involvement with the solicitation of funds for the completion of the purported documentary film being promoted on the FundAnything.com internet site. The Estate would never ask Michael’s fans to contribute their money to finance any speculative project.


Furthermore, the site is offering merchandise bearing the Michael Jackson name, likeness and/or trademarks which are the intellectual property of the Estate of Michael Jackson and which may be legally exploited only by the Estate and by its authorized licensees.


The Estate will continue to release only the highest quality finished, professional projects showcasing the genius and humanity of Michael such as the This Is It film and the two very successful shows with Cirque du Soleil (Immortal and ONE).

Bubs, would you care to clarify what I do not know? No where in this statement above does it say the executors would not accept the $3.2M if it was indeed generated. If those funds are generated and the executors choose to NOT accept the licensing fee, Mann/Lowe will be very happy.

Off topic: I noticed the estate did not mention the Michael cd or the Bad 25 project as one of the HQ finished, professional projects.

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Off topic: I noticed the estate did not mention the Michael cd or the Bad 25 project as one of the HQ finished, professional projects.

Cause they were talking about audiovisual projects (documentary, movie, stage show). Michael and BAD 25 don't fit in there. Think about it.

 

[Bubs]

Shameless exploitation of Michael's kids:angry:

Some headlines of about this mockumentary:
Blanket Opens Up About Michael Jackson For The First Time In New ...
Michael Jackson Children Speak Out in New Documentary (VIDEO)
Michael Jackson’s Kids Speak Out For First Time About Dad After His Death
Michael Jackson's Children: We Had "Secluded" Childhood
Michael Jackson's three children have revealed what life was like ...


KJ knows that if there is a document of herself or other "family" members, they would get no attention nor money at all. All the media interest is on PPB, and she and her crook friends knows it so they use kids to get attention. She is sorry excuse for the mother, and even bigger sorry excuse for the guardian.
I fully agree with the poster who said that Michael made his biggest mistake by naming KJ as guardian, and I fully agree with RF with this: "The Jacksons, aka the House of Tacky."

It is like KJ is renting kids to the party that pay her. If they are not made to appear in "family" projects like Latoya's crap, then they are rented to the other crooks. It is damn pity that she learnt nothing from her treatment to Michael, she is repeating the same mistakes with PPB.

 

[Tygger]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Cause they were talking about audiovisual projects (documentary, movie, stage show). Michael and BAD 25 don't fit in there. Think about it.

Well, that is one way to think about it. There are also other possibilities as to why they were not mentioned.

 

[HIStoric]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

You guys are reading into it too much, there's nothing to it.

 

[LastTear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Oh please, it's not odd, they just gave two examples. Not everything has to be a hidden message, sometimes it is what it is, an example.

 

[Virre]

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[LastTear]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

^^^^ What Tygger means is that as we have been told the DVD is finished and that the 3.2 million is for licensing Michaels music, so if the estate refuse them permission and therefore do not charge them then whatever money they make from donations will get to keep and I guess they release the DVD without music.

There is NO refund option.

I do also think it's going to come down to more than just the music when they use titles such as Immortal.

 

[krikzil]

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Yes, contradictory to those who do not seem to grasp the difference between a completed film that must be paid for to view (like Gest's film) and a scheme by Mann/Lowe to solicit unnecessary licensing funds for a completed film.

Someone's grasping but it's not me. Deflect away (Gest) but it doesn't change the fact your stance is contradictory. Mann profiting off MJ is the problem, whether it's millions (the licensing scheme) or thousands (selling finished crappy documentary).

Bubs, would you care to clarify what I do not know? No where in this statement above does it say the executors would not accept the $3.2M if it was indeed generated. If those funds are generated and the executors choose to NOT accept the licensing fee, Mann/Lowe will be very happy.

And KJ too. She is in business with this shady character after all. (As I said earlier, it was going to be a win-win -- the Estate isn't going to license anything for a Mann project and they knew that.)

 

[Allusio]

I just need to know if the Estate is going to go after Mann. Whole situation makes me really angry and sad.

IMO they are very careful with their statement again (no problem with it) but I could guess that they are not involved in this project and that it’s illegal. Well, it’s good to know for sure.

I have just two more questions – anyone who can pay for licensing can make documentaries?

Can all project be shut down or only offering merchandise is illegal here?

I just don’t understand how can someone doing so and get away easily …

 

[passy001]

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So much has changed ONLY 4.5 years since MJ left to the point I don't think he would recognize his children, who have gone from being the most protected kids in town to the most exploited kids in town, if he were to come back today.

Nor do I think he would recognize Mama J, the mother he thought he knew.

 

[mjchris]

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blocked in my country

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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Cause they were talking about audiovisual projects (documentary, movie, stage show). Michael and BAD 25 don't fit in there. Think about it.

Well, that is one way to think about it. There are also other possibilities as to why they were not mentioned.

For me the only possibility is that it's another, albeit completely unimportant, example of how poor the estate online team is. Disagree totally with korgnex, the bad25 doc is perfect to compare and contrast the approach of the estate to mj's legacy with this travesty. The estate chose a respected and talented director in spike lee who really knew and cared about his subject and had great contributors. Obviously the estate had the advantage in having access to all mj footage, but the way they marketed and distributed the film really clearly showed they were less concerned about getting $$ from fans but to widen mj's appeal and introduce him to an audience which wouldn't have thought of buying a dvd about mj. The film was shown at a film festival and it was shown on tv all round the world before it was finally offered for sale to fans many months after most of us had already seen it. That's what a legacy enhancing project looks like, not this vanity project of some talking head footage produced by a japanese solar engineer (?) which has to rely on fans donating $ before it can have any images of mj on it. They couldn't care less about marketing it as enhancing mj's legacy, just marketing it with ppb up front and centre talking about their memories of their dad which they have done already in all media from usa to uk to japan to germany. They're probably at this moment trying to get paris's first post-suicide interview included as a bonus extra.

Furthermore, the site is offering merchandise bearing the Michael Jackson name, likeness and/or trademarks which are the intellectual property of the Estate of Michael Jackson and which may be legally exploited only by the Estate and by its authorized licensees.

That's lucky for mrs j. It looks like the 'pancake day at mj's' movie poster is safe as any 'likeness' to mj is totally minimal.

 

[passy001]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

I have read the estate statement and it feels too carefully worded as if they know this is just a negotiation tactic. so that got me thinking the following:

What if this documentary attempt by Mann is just a blackmail attempt? what if the Jacksons are just leveraging the kids to force the estate hand? i.e give us $3.2m now or we embarrass the kids and MJ. so the estate feeling the pressure release the funds, and suddenly the documentary is canceled. Mann put out a statement blaming the lack of financial support from fans(they know from the start that the fans won't support this project). privately the jacksons rejoice, while the estate and most likely the fans breath a breath of relief.

What do you guys think?

 

[serendipity]

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Last Tear, if you want to tie Katherine to Mann's scheme, feel free. I know some fans see this only as another opportunity to express continued distaste for the Jacksons for whatever their reasons. As long as the important message is understood that NO fan should support this funding initiative because it is yet another Mann scheme under the Jackson name, so be it. Paraphrasing Michael, everything else can be dealt with.

Passy001, I do not see the executors rejecting a $3M fee but that is my view. Bad news travels fast and it travels even faster electronically. Hopefully fans will read MJ forums and other MJ social media outlets and know not to fund Mann/Lowe because that is what this is. No Jackson will see these monies.

Why do you constantly make excuses for these people? I don't get it. Mann is able to make schemes "under the Jackson" name because Katherine allowed him to and did so willingly AND to top it all off, gave him MJ's minor children to use too! Why would ANY fan who respected MJ even a little, would make an excuse for this is mind boggling.

Katherine is sitting there asking fans to help finish the docu. Don't tell me she's clueless as to what that means. Has she come out to warn us about his "schemes"? Nope, she hasn't. She is clearly participating and supporting this, just like she did with all the other schemes they pulled together. I don't even think she cares what he does and how he does it, as long as he gives her her 25%.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

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What do you guys think?

^I don't really agree. They're not asking the estate for $3.2m in cash, they're just asking for licensing the footage which presumably comes to around $3.2m (or so they imply). My first impression of this was that it was designed to embarrass the estate into just letting the family have the footage free as it's just so totally abysmal having the $billionaire children of mj on a crowdfunding site. But now i think it's totally what they say it is - they just want money to finish their doc. A la times interview back in 2010 talks of mann putting tog a doc using 26 hrs of video footage found in the locker. So i'm thinking they had a doc almost ready to go but mann lost the lawsuit so they can't now use all the clips and music of mj that was in the locker. So now they've got this doc sitting around and have obviously failed to raise $$ to cover the licensing costs so have resorted to this humilating crowdfunding idea. I think they'r all deluded and think anything with mj and his children's name attached will bring in $millions from fans. It looks like this doc is coming out whether we fund it or not, it will just be lacking the mj bits.

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

I was referring to the album BAD 25, not the Spike Lee documentary which has been an accompanying program and not a major project.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

I just need to know if the Estate is going to go after Mann. Whole situation makes me really angry and sad.

As a rule Estate never comments about any possible or ongoing legal actions. We only hear them after they are filed and becomes public info. For example if some rewards get deleted or renamed (such as the King of Pop) it is possible that they got a cease and desist. If there's a lawsuit we only hear it after it is filed. We will wait and see. But again, technically it is possible to do a documentary without infringing Estate's copyrights.

For me the only possibility is that it's another, albeit completely unimportant, example of how poor the estate online team is.

While Online Team sends out these statements, they don't write them. They are more like the middleman.

What if this documentary attempt by Mann is just a blackmail attempt? what if the Jacksons are just leveraging the kids to force the estate hand? i.e give us $3.2m now or we embarrass the kids and MJ. so the estate feeling the pressure release the funds, and suddenly the documentary is canceled. Mann put out a statement blaming the lack of financial support from fans(they know from the start that the fans won't support this project). privately the jacksons rejoice, while the estate and most likely the fans breath a breath of relief.

What do you guys think?

^I don't really agree. They're not asking the estate for $3.2m in cash, they're just asking for licensing the footage which presumably comes to around $3.2m (or so they imply). My first impression of this was that it was designed to embarrass the estate into just letting the family have the footage free as it's just so totally abysmal having the $billionaire children of mj on a crowdfunding site. But now i think it's totally what they say it is - they just want money to finish their doc. A la times interview back in 2010 talks of mann putting tog a doc using 26 hrs of video footage found in the locker. So i'm thinking they had a doc almost ready to go but mann lost the lawsuit so they can't now use all the clips and music of mj that was in the locker. So now they've got this doc sitting around and have obviously failed to raise $$ to cover the licensing costs so have resorted to this humilating crowdfunding idea. I think they'r all deluded and think anything with mj and his children's name attached will bring in $millions from fans. It looks like this doc is coming out whether we fund it or not, it will just be lacking the mj bits.

I agree with Bonnie Blue. It looks like they have the interviews done which means they have an almost finished documentary. Probably the lawsuit and judge's determination that Mann/Vaccaro doesn't have the intellectual rights have put a damper on them planning to use the footage and/or pictures they have so they need money for licensing. They either don't have the budget (which isn't surprising as Mann said he didn't have the money to pay Estate his settlement) or they don't want to pay Estate/Sony from their pockets. So they came up with the idea of crowdfunding and asking fans to help. If crowdfunding is successful they can have a documentary with video, music, pictures etc. without having to pay for them out of their pockets. If they can't get the money they can still release their own interview footage.

Could this be turned into a blame game? Sure it could. Fans could be blamed for standing against Mann and/or hurting the project, Estate could be blamed for not making it easy for Katherine and so on. It happened during the Cardiff tribute event. Everything fans said and criticized were true - as it was proven later on - but still fans and Estate were blamed for it failure.

I don't think Jacksons and Mann and any of their business partners for that matter "know from the start fans won't support these projects". To the contrary I think all of them believe that the fans would support Katherine and/or Michael's kids. I literally think they sit there and think like "we will say this is KJ documentary with MJ's kids and the fans will give us millions and millions", I really do. They always expect the projects to be successful and they don't accept the reality that fans are against them and the projects are a failure. We have seen this at Cardiff event. The fundraising is also showing it with only $3,677 in donations in 2 days. It shows that there's not much support or demand for this. I believe even ATU -which is a small sized fan project - did better in pledges.

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

The Estate Online team is a team of PR guys & girls who do not work exclusively for the Estate and like ivy said, their job is communication, they are not making decisions.

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine Jackson documentary called "Remembering Michael"/ fans asked to help with funding

Katherine Jackson Michael Jackson Documentary Money Grab?
53 minutes ago BY TMZ STAFF

EXCLUSIVE


Michael Jackson's mom SAYS she's doing a heartfelt documentary about her son's life ... but the reality is ... it seems to be a shameful money grab.

Katherine Jackson has announced she wants to do the documentary, but needs the fans to send her money to pay for the licensing of Michael's image and music. Translation -- she's insinuating the big bad Michael Jackson Estate is being coldhearted and greedy by charging Michael's family.

Here's the reality ... Howard Weitzman, the lawyer for the Estate, tells TMZ NO ONE from the Jackson family has contacted him or anyone else from the Estate asking for permission to use MJ's image and music. Weitzman wants to make it clear ... "The Estate would never ask Michael's fans to contribute their money to finance any speculative project."

Katherine is using a website to solicit donations and is offering MJ merchandise as bait. FYI, the license for merchandising is held by Bravado, so Katherine can't do that without permission.

If Katherine makes the documentary, the people it will likely hurt are Michael's kids. That's because THEY are the ultimate beneficiaries of the Estate, and if the Estate does an MJ documentary in the future (which is almost certain), it will probably be devalued by anything Katherine does.

And it still gets worse ... Katherine and company have enlisted the help of Blanket, Paris and Prince to solicit funds from fans. It's pretty clear -- they don't understand the implications of helping her out.

It's a safe bet the Estate will not give Katherine permission. Weitzman says, "The Estate will continue to release only the highest quality finished, professional projects showcasing the genius and humanity of Michael such as the 'This is It' film and the 2 very successful shows with Cirque du Soleil."

So the bottom line -- if the Estate doesn't give permission to use MJ's music and image, the documentary won't get made. So what happens to the money the fans contribute? Well Katherine is using a website to solicit donations that allows her to keep all funds even if the project isn't made. So guess who ends up with the loot?


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/18/kathe...-documentary-money-grab-estate/#ixzz2nrJ2uGwI