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What I don't understand is: Lloyds agreed to give AEG the insurance policy for accident, after Dr. Slavit did examination on Michael. But now on the lawsuit they are asking the judge to nullify the policy, because they weren't provided some needed information. If they already agreed previously to give the policy, then I think they should pay AEG, no?

And about Michael having doubts about the show. I think this is completly normal if you consider the situation MJ was in. He haven't toured for more than a decade and faced a painful trial for things he didn't commit. So, it's not hard to imagine that he had little self confidence and was unsure about how the public would react. And I think that after the O2 conference, after he saw the public reaction and how quick were the ticket sales, he started to grow more confidence. He needed to see that reaction and how the fans still loved him.

PS: I think we need to be ready for 2013. It will be a hard year with the Lloyds and Katherine/AEG trials.
 
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Says nothing about MJ being a drug addict ? Or them knowing that. But that he was having emotional problems and doubts at the beginning. Which they addressed. Was Randy Phillips harsh in his emails about The situation with the 02 announcement _ yes ... no doubt he was upset. Seems MJ got himself together and made his annoucement. As far as being drunk maybe Randy was mistaken about why he couldnt rouse him, becuase he stated that before he could arouse MJ. maybe sleep meds ( whos knows) but MJ made the announcement and He didnt seem drunk to me. Just a little nervous and excited - with his fist pumps :)

In the beginning MJ was missing some rehearsals and was unsure of himself. He was nervous. He hadn't performed for many years. But Later after more rehearsal time we see MJ was more in his element. Then seems he had side effects from Murray's treatments one day and Kenny voiced concern saying MJ was out of it that day and wanted him evaluated. They ended up having a meeting with MJ and Murray and MJ stated he could do it and Murray stated he would take care of MJ's health. MJ came back in great form for the next rehearsals. So they felt the issues MJ was having for the most part were taken care of.

Although AEG was aware that MJ was having some emotional problems they had no idea what Murray was doing behind the scenes as the Jackson's suggest. None of these emails or info proves what the Jackson's are contending or accusing AEG of in their lawsuit. IMO
 
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If Michael felt unsure or nervous is because he was a human being. After everything he had been through especially the last years of his life it was understandable. It doesn't make him weak or anything like that. It made him human and I think that before he died he knew he could do it again.
 
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PS: I think we need to be ready for 2013. It will be a hard year with the Lloyds and Katherine/AEG trials.
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I can't handle this and some of the information has already been made public. I know that Michael will be thrown under the bus during these trials, his reputation will be dragged thru the mud. Will it really be worth it for Katherine, I'm sure the children will not want to have to be subjected to this. AEG did not loose anything because of the success of "This is It" I don't know who leaked this stuff but I'm sure more will be leaked as the depositions are taken.
 
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Whoever leaked the information for that article should be ashamed of themselves if those emails are real, in my opinion. The cases should be won in the courtroom, not on news media websites. Can't plaintiffs or defendants in a civil case get an automatic dismissal of their claim if they allow information to become public like this before a trial or a judgement by the court? Because it seems to me like, by letting this happen, they are ignoring the court's right to do its job.
 
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I dont like how they have portrayed MJ in this article and it makes me actually upset and sad. Its the LA Times afterall. Plus TMZ have picked up this story too and put their own spin to it.

I also already knew (and understands) that AEG would recoup their money from MJs assets if he failed to perform but its damn upsetting to read it all over again. To read Phillips say "MJ has to do it or he will be a financial disaster" is just blahh.

Sorry guys, I know what AEG's writes are standards and its probably taken out of contecxt but still, it just makes me sad that MJ had to deal with this the last months.
 
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Meanwhile in Heaven...a place was being prepared for Michael Jackson.
The Angels knew his time on Earth was finally coming to a close.

Thanks for the comfort, Michael Jackson:
"Nothing left to do but Walk Away".
I miss you, my love, Michael Jackson.
"Money is the root of all Evil."
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quote from Jesus Christ.
 
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Maybe it's just me, but i took it as obvious that it was randy j behind the leaking of this - if not the family who else would do this. Probably timed to coincide with bad 25 stuff. They might think it puts randy phillips in a bad light but all it does is portray mj at his most vulnerable, a portrayal you know mj being such a proud man, would absolutely hate.. Unfortunately i just find it all totally believable, as everything i've read leads me to believe mj was forced into tii to get out of a financial black hole not because he wanted to go back in front of an audience. That's just my personal view and i really wish i had a more upbeat one.

And agree wtih other posters, absolutely none of these emails have anything to do with what caused mj's death. He didn't die of stress or overwork - but from a very specific case of negligently administered propofol and that was strictly between murray and mj. The aeg contract for tii may have been bad for mj but it didn't kill him. In any case why isn't thome thome getting more heat for tii. AEG are in the business of making money for their shareholders and making great deals, it was thome's job to represent mj and get the best possible deal for his client, not to force him into doing something he didn't really want to do. I really get the impression thome's only mission was to deliver mj to aeg, totally ignoring if it was the best thing for mj.
 
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New Emails About Michael Jackson Revealed


MICHAEL Jackson was a booze-fuelled “basket case” in the weeks before he died, shock new documents reveal.
They show ***** didn’t rehearse, needed pyschiatric treatment and refused to sing at practices before his attempted comeback.

Weeks before *****’s This Is It shows in London, director Kenny Ortega called for a psychiatrist — emailing how the King of Pop missed rehearsals, struggled with routines and faced miming some of his biggest hits.
He wrote: “MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time.”
One production manager also wrote: “He was a basket case.” The revelations emerged in emails between bosses at the promoters AEG.

MD Randy Phillips said: “We have a real problem here,” in an email to chief exec Tim Leiweke.
Mr Phillips also told how ***** would get drunk.
AEG faces a US legal fight with insurance firm Lloyds over whether the brokers should pay £15million for *****’s failure to perform — caused by his death on June 25, 2009 from a drug overdose.
Lloyds want a judge to scrap a £10million policy they say AEG secured with false claims about Jackson’s health. And the singer’s heirs accuse AEG of pressuring the star to carry on.
AEG’s lawyers deny any wrongdoing.

here is link: http://leadership.ng/nga/articles/34049/2012/09/03/new_emails_about_michael_jackson_revealed.html
 
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Why is this coming out now? We are looking forward to Bad 25 focusing on Michael and his work. Now all this is taking attention away. I know the trials are next year but everytime positive things happen these negative come along.
 
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New Emails About Michael Jackson Revealed


MICHAEL Jackson was a booze-fuelled “basket case” in the weeks before he died, shock new documents reveal.
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These tabloids, and this includes the LA times article, are a trip!! How does one episode of Phillips reporting that MJ was drunk in March translate into a booze-fuelled "basket case" in the weeks leading up to his death?
 
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AEG new something wasn't right with MJ, he was not ready. And they did not care! Yes that is different from them knowing or not knowing about Propofol and we shall see when the trial truly starts what is the real truth. But, whether I like the Jacksons or not that isn't going to make me blind to root for AEG. Nope not one bit. I'll just let the jury decide their fate. Cause all that is evident to me is that NO ONE seemed to give a damn about MJ well being period just the money they stand to make or lose! So damn them all!
 
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He hated touring true but lets not forget this was not a tour. Listen if Michael was not mentally ready to do this it was up to him to say no I am not ready for this. Michael was 50 years old not 5. I love Michael but I am sorry if Randy Phillips was upset because Michael was drunk and losing it the day before the press conference then he had every right to be. AEG were Michael's employers not his babysitters. And good lord this happend in March not June whatever the problem was he got over it
 
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He hated touring true but lets not forget this was not a tour. Listen if Michael was not mentally ready to do this it was up to him to say no I am not ready for this. Michael was 50 years old not 5. I love Michael but I am sorry if Randy Phillips was upset because Michael was drunk and losing it the day before the press conference then he had every right to be. AEG were Michael's employers not his babysitters. And good lord this happend in March not June whatever the problem was he got over it
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That's easy for you to say, if a mob style gang of many is not threatening you, financially, and physically, emotionally, and possibly involving your family. You don't really know the parameters of the threats. It doesn't matter how old you are, fear can be instilled in you. Until you are in the position, it's not fair to judge. Plus, you don't know what that many performances would feel like, no matter what the location. How they are set up, means nothing, if it's grueling. Grueling is Grueling.
 
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And he told you all of this himself?
 
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New Emails About Michael Jackson Revealed


MICHAEL Jackson was a booze-fuelled “basket case” in the weeks before he died, shock new documents reveal.
They show ***** didn’t rehearse, needed pyschiatric treatment and refused to sing at practices before his attempted comeback.

Weeks before *****’s This Is It shows in London, director Kenny Ortega called for a psychiatrist — emailing how the King of Pop missed rehearsals, struggled with routines and faced miming some of his biggest hits.
He wrote: “MJ is not in shape enough yet to sing this stuff live and dance at the same time.”
One production manager also wrote: “He was a basket case.” The revelations emerged in emails between bosses at the promoters AEG.

MD Randy Phillips said: “We have a real problem here,” in an email to chief exec Tim Leiweke.
Mr Phillips also told how ***** would get drunk.
AEG faces a US legal fight with insurance firm Lloyds over whether the brokers should pay £15million for *****’s failure to perform — caused by his death on June 25, 2009 from a drug overdose.
Lloyds want a judge to scrap a £10million policy they say AEG secured with false claims about Jackson’s health. And the singer’s heirs accuse AEG of pressuring the star to carry on.
AEG’s lawyers deny any wrongdoing.

here is link: http://leadership.ng/nga/articles/34049/2012/09/03/new_emails_about_michael_jackson_revealed.html
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Articles like this make me think sometimes that some journalists cannot read. This is not what the original article and the e-mails said.
 
Michael Jackson Lawyers May Ask Court for Sanctions over Leaked Emails

09/03/12 11:31pmRoger Friedman0

The lawyers for AEGLive, the company being sued by Michael Jackson’s family for his alleged wrongful death, are fuming. I am told they may ask the court for sanctions against the Jackson family and their attorneys as early as Tuesday over emails that were leaked to the Los Angeles Times last week. The emails, which the Times published, were sealed as part of the wrongful death suit as evidence. The court case won’t be heard until next year.

But my sources say that the Jacksons, desperate for money after their failed attempt to snatch Katherine Jackson this summer, are looking for sympathy in the court of public opinion. I’m told they selectively pulled a few mails from hundreds and turned them over to the Los Angeles Times in an effort to make AEGLive look guilty of somehow forcing Michael to perform 50 concerts in London.

The truth when the totality of the emails is uncovered in court will be quite different. Michael Jackson was in deep debt when AEG first proposed he do 10 shows at the O2 Arena. That was in the fall of 2008. Jackson waffled. But eventually he was persuaded to agree simply because he had no choice. In practical terms, he was broke. AEG offered him an easy way to make some decent money and get back on his feet.

One thing is true: on the way to the O2 Arena announcement in March 2009, Jackson freaked out. He got ripping drunk. The result can be seen in the video of the announcement. Michael is grinning from ear to ear, laughing, and has no idea what to say other than “This is it.” On the way to the announcement from London, he was petrified. He was very late arriving at the Arena, as well, making everyone wait.

What the LA Times has discounted is the documentary, “This Is It.” For as much as Michael was petulant, stubborn, lazy, scared, etc, he was also a perfectionist with certain specific abilities. The latter are seen in the film at the rehearsals that he did show up for. And no one at AEG Live was trying to kill him, or overwork him to the point of exhaustion. AEG wanted Michael to succeed. They let him handpick everyone from Dr. Conrad Murray to his chef to trainers etc.

Let’s not forget: on May 5th, 2009 Kevin Spacey’s former manager Joanne Horowitz ran into Michael at Dr. Arnold Klein’s office. Michael was in great shape and looking forward to the tour. (Link follows.) Jackson’s mental and physical status changed on a daily basis as the London shows loomed. Like any performer, there were days when he was excited and others when he was apprehensive.

read: http://www.showbiz411.com/2009/07/0...ackson-joanne-horowitz-studio-54-arnold-klein

http://www.showbiz411.com/2012/09/0...ay-ask-court-for-sanctions-over-leaked-emails
 
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One thing is true: on the way to the O2 Arena announcement in March 2009, Jackson freaked out. He got ripping drunk. The result can be seen in the video of the announcement. Michael is grinning from ear to ear, laughing, and has no idea what to say other than “This is it.” On the way to the announcement from London, he was petrified. He was very late arriving at the Arena, as well, making everyone wait.
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Where is this coming from, are there any proofs or is it just a speculation?
I have to admit I also thought he was different but couldnt figure out what...this is the first time i hear about "the drinking"..
 
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Drunk? I guess one can judge for themselves.

Michael Jackson's series of concerts at London's O2 arena in July will be "the final curtain call", he has told fans at the venue.

Recorded: 5 Mar 2009, 5.37pm GMT
Source: DVB-S

Michael Jackson announce comeback 2009 (This is It!)​


 
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All these tabloid stories forget one thing here: judge, murray's team and D.A. saw every single bit of rehearsal and there was nothing strange going on except Michael dancing, singing, giving orders, ... So yes, Michael was probably nervous about touring and giving the announcement, who wouldn't? As he grew stronger on stage, he got more confident too.

And lets face it, AEG is in the business of making money, they are not a babysitting service. Michael got everything he wanted while setting up TII and AEG paid for everything. So if they see that their star is mentally not quite ready, of course they're gonna freak out.

By the way, ever since the BAD tour, MJ said that he wasn't going to tour anymore. Then he did Dangerous. Again he said he wouldn't tour anymore. There was History. As much as he hated touring, he loved his audience. He loved entertaining them. He loved doing the actual concerts. I think he couldn't stay away from it even if he wanted. And TII was not a tour anyway, but a semi-permanent venue, makes all the difference.
 
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Drunk? I guess one can judge for themselves.

Michael Jackson's series of concerts at London's O2 arena in July will be "the final curtain call", he has told fans at the venue.

Recorded: 5 Mar 2009, 5.37pm GMT
Source: DVB-S

Michael Jackson announce comeback 2009 (This is It!)​


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I saw the conference. To me, Roger, that's not proof of being drunk.(I know Roger isn't the one who posted the post I am clicking the 'post quick reply' button for. I just have trouble, sometimes, clicking on the post i am responding to, and the post with the video at the same time, so my response isn't to the person posting this video.) I remember the 1984 American Music Awards. The idea of him grinning, laughing, and not knowing what to say, was normal..especially back then. When he was on the Soul Train Awards, with Eddie Murphy in 1993, again, Eddie was trying to give him a humanitarian award, or something similar. MJ was on crutches. Again, the laughing, smiling, grinning from ear to ear. He did that a lot, off and on, over the years. He was trying to get Eddie to hold crutches for him in the case i just mentioned. The only time, it seemed Michael could say a lot on stage, was if he had a teleprompter...or..it seemed it was rehearsed. I guess what people see as looking drunk, is subjective. Being petrified is something else, entirely. Now, to the poster who posted this vid..Roger always gives his opinions, and they were never favorable to Mike.
 
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Is Roger trying to make his article sound any better then the L.A times? o_O If so he FAILED! I don't see a drunk person when I watch the 02 press conference and if that's what happen or what they believe then WTF was AEG thinkin when they hiked up the shows to 50 then? Doesn't seem to me they gave a damn if he could do it just how much money there was to make IF he could. So again I don't feel sorry for them at all, not one bit. It's pretty clear to me since MJ decline their offer the very first time that from there on it was nothin but hope from AEG. Something they dragged on so irresponsible when they finally got him to agree! And what does MJ age have to do with anything? People of all ages get taken advantage of all the time so let's get real here! SMFH
 
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I was at the press conference roger as normal is talking crap. roger needs to get to a few night clubs if he thinks mj was acting like a drunk person. hes trying to act like mj had ten cans of steller. anyway well done jacksons./randy.u crapped on michael yet again. hope they are sanctioned.anything in their quest for money so they can sit on their backsides for the rest of their lives instead of getting a job that doesnt include throwing mj under a bus
 
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These tabloids, and this includes the LA times article, are a trip!! How does one episode of Phillips reporting that MJ was drunk in March translate into a booze-fuelled "basket case" in the weeks leading up to his death?
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I agree. The media are over-dramatizing the situation as usual, in my opinion. I'm not surprised. But I'm still disgusted about this.
 
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"The lawyers for AEGLive, the company being sued by Michael Jackson’s family for his alleged wrongful death, are fuming. I am told they may ask the court for sanctions against the Jackson family and their attorneys as early as Tuesday over emails that were leaked to the Los Angeles Times last week. The emails, which the Times published, were sealed as part of the wrongful death suit as evidence. The court case won’t be heard until next year."

Should've known where the email came from as they were sealed. I hope sanctions against Jackson family are as high as possible. For what ever reason they though that it is good idea to release these mails, especially now when we are celebrating BAD 25 and Spike Lee's document, there were no excuses to release them to the public. We knew with AEG case, Michael would be dragged through the mud, but like this and from family? This is what I get when I do Google search for Michael Jackson, and this is first page:
Michael Jackson was an 'emotionally paralysed mess too drunk to leave his ...
Michael Jackson Was an "Emotionally Paralyzed Mess" in Days Before Death ...
Michael Jackson needed 'psychiatric intervention'
Michael Jackson was drinking heavily, paranoid and anxious in weeks before ...
E-mails: Michael Jackson 'a mess' before death
Concert Promoter's Emails Show Michael Jackson Wasn't Well
Emails show Michael Jackson was 'basket case'
Michael Jackson 'Drunk And Despodent' Before Death Leaked Emails Reveal
Michael Jackson -- 'This Is It' Promoters Called MJ a 'Mess'
Emails Reveal Michael Jackson's Mental State in Final Days: 'He Is a Basket Case'
Michael Jackson needed 'psychiatric intervention
MICHAEL Jackson was a booze-fuelled “basket case” in the weeks before he ...
Michael Jackson's bizarre behavior in the weeks before his death revealed
'He was a basket case': Leaked emails reveal Michael Jackson's decline
Michael Jackson 'An Emotionally Paralysed Mess' In His Last Days, According ...
Leaked emails reveal that Michael Jackson was suffering from 'paranoia and ...
Emails show Michael Jackson was 'mess' before comeback
Leaked emails reveal Michael Jackson died a drunk
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Just when I think some of the Jackson's has reached the lowest of the low, they do something like this?
Jeez, cannot wait what they have on the sleeves when the trial starts:no:
BTW, if the judge orders sanctions agains K & Co, I hope she doesn't go to estate to ask them to pay.


Btw, no matter what way I'm looking at O2 announcement, I don't see Michael drunk, but nervous, and if he was drunk, who would blame him? After years abuse from media and people, he wasn't sure how his announcement would be taken so if he was drunk, so ****** what. Why is it so big deal if Michael drinks, even some fans seems to be getting all upset if there is a something about him drinking? Many people drink to release nervousness, to relax, to what ever reason, why Michael is denied to have this human side? If I had to go through everything what Michael did in his lifetime, I would be alcoholic.
 
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