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Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Dr. Murray nor were they responsible for the death of Michael Jackson. In the meantime, we’ve all watched the press as the Jackson family has made ever-more-wild accusations against everyone involved in Michael Jackson’s life— except themselves.

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ouch but so true. with family like that who needs enemies. great aticle. poor PPB having to see the family throw mj under the bus again for money
 
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passy001 said:
The source of the leak was too obvious. The article was really damaging to MJ's memory.
Plus, this latest fiasco also reaffirm another pattern: when ever there is a good story about MJ, there is generally another one that follows up to negate it. for instance, when the MJ Estate announced to the court that MJ debts will be cleared soon, we saw Randy and Co leaking a bizarre attack on the executor to the tabloids. now with everyone focusing on bad25 and the documentary, we see another negative story in the press. This is pure sabotage.
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I was thinking the same. If it was possible, we fans/the estate/Michael's kids should seek legal emancipation to separate Jacksons from Michael and his memory.


elusive moonwalker said:
ouch but so true. with family like that who needs enemies. great aticle. poor PPB having to see the family throw mj under the bus again for money
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I don't know how much they are kept on loop, but Paris seems to be following what is going on. I think when K passes, they won't be seeing some of the family members.
 
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Nadia1981 said:
So AEG and the Estate are doing everything to keep medical records, etc. sealed to the public in order to protect MJ's legacy and privacy. And there you have the clients own family who were on every tv show talking about alleged interventions, plastic surgery, drug use in total disregard to the man's private life. SMH...

Why does that family feel that everything needs to be fought out in public? Do they not realise that instead of the intended gaining of sympathy from the general public, it is doing just the opposite.
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I agree with your post, well said. They clearly weren't thinking or respecting of Michael's privacy. The only thing they seem to realise that what ever they do now, there might be money at the end of the tunnel.
 
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ronia said:
Of course he could have as many moments of self-doubt as he wants to have but I was referring to to "drunk while working" part. And "drunk while being a parent".

I am a social worker who has worked with parents who drank too much and I am sick and tired of every excuse for getting drunk.

He was Michael Jackson but he was also a father with responsibilties and I see him only as a father not as the superstar on that matter.
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Parents are also human beings, who are sometimes put in pressurized situations.
 
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**** the Jackson's, seriously. I'm over their shit. There is no doubt in my mind that they released these. They do as much damage to Michael's reputation as the tabloids do.

Youd think Michael drinking sometimes would "normalise" him, but no, just another "weird" thing in the eyes of people. Ridiculous. Most people drink. All this just makes me feel at peace that now Michael is at peace and cant be affected or hurt anymore. But his kids on the other hand are going to hear all of this and take the pain for him.
 
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mdiegee210 said:
i think michael was upset CNN news cameras were at his hotel wating for him to come out. Cnn had two guests Musto and Kieth Murphy and they were talking about Michael, kieth said MJ needed to tour because he was broke. cnn news person said who wanted to see MJ all his music was old, he was washed up no one wanted to here that old music, and she went on to say how late MJ was, he is over an hour late, and musto said he must be looking for his nose or he is taping it on. now i know michael was watching the news and heard what they was saying about him. that why he said i will be performing the songs my fans want to here.
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OMG.. Are you sure? This is horrible by every means :(
 
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In the end, the emails show, Phillips and Jackson's manager had to dress him.
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That is utter crap!!!


There is no way michael "needed help" to dress him i mean cmon now i know i have said once b4 i did feel on that day of the annoument something bout michael wasnt right but he so didnt look like he needed anyone's help to dress him ..THAT IS A LOAD OF BULL!
 
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Shot themselves in the foot with this one I think.
 
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^^8701 What exactly about him looks not right? We all know that before the press conference the media had already made several claims that he was a has been, on drugs, was not able to do the shows, etc., so every action of Michael's including how he walked up the steps is scrutinized and interpreted to mean that something is off about him, because many have all the media updates in their heads as they look at Michael. Last year one fan even wrote here that Michael was uncertain and then he walked up the ramp with fake bravado (paraphrase)--I don't see it. Up to this day I see nothing different or alarming about how this man appeared on that day. To me, this was typical Michael behavior, except he was more overcome by the love, and we all know why.

What I find unforgivable about the AEG e-mails, is that they need Michael to make millions and yet talk about him and treat him in such a nasty derogatory manner. I still can't get over this guy saying Michael was lazy. To me their behavior shows they are tyrants. Even the comments after his death, show a lack of sorrow for a lost life. At any job, if a staff is killed, there is some sorrow felt by the management. Letters or comments showing condolence is conveyed. Here we have gloating over how much money could be made. What Katherine should do is rather than sue AEG for Michael's death, she should sue them for the pain and suffering their behavior and statements caused her as a grieving mother. Now that would get my sympathy.
 
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Whatever decisions the lawyers make they would tell Katherine about it, so she knows. She could have told her children like Randy, and then Randy could have sold them to the news, but either way it came from her camp. If she told her kids, she was not supposed to do so based on the court agreement. Now everyone can see that the family like to shame people in the public to blackmail them into a settlement. Isn't that the same plan as before when they made the letter about the executors public to shame them into a settlement? They want AEG to think that they could leak more damaging material about AEG to the public, so in fear AEG would settle, in the same way JC Penny settled the case with the Avisios.
 
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they sure did.. the family doesn't care what happens to MJ's legacy. It's all about money for them, his mother included.
 
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soulmum said:
Shot themselves in the foot with this one I think.
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AGAIN!

Shot themselves in the foot - AGAIN! (They should get that trademarked and put it on t-shirts. LOL!)

I mean, isn't that what they always do. They like to tout themselves as being this "Huge Musical Dynasty - In The Music Business For Over 40 Years," yet their actions continue to show them falling off the back of a turnip truck on their way into the big city for the first time.

I see Randy Jackson's name all over this. The man is desperate, SO SO desperate. This whole thing is similar to how he got his hands on the AEG contract, by saying that he needed to review said contract before he testified in one of his mother's cases. He never testified, and some portions of that AEG contract appeared in Leonard Rowe's book.
 
In the meantime, we’ve all watched the press as the Jackson family has made ever-more-wild accusations against everyone involved in Michael Jackson’s life— except themselves.
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That statement from aeg says it all really. What aeg was doing to mj was exactly what his own family were trying to do - rush him into performing again irrespective if he was truely ready or not. It was the jacksons who as soon as mj landed back in the us at the end of 06 were hassling him for a concert tour -their 'concertentions' - this 18 months after that debilitating trial. And what happened when the tii tour was announced - did they rush to mj to make sure he was ready to do the dates, check if he was happy. No they just crowded him and tried to get a slice of the action, bullying mj so much he actually just agreed to sign a paper saying len rowe was his manager. And the siblings all began making media statments about wanting to be involved in the concerts. There seems no self-awareness at all, but as they've said in the past, they clearly feel you can't exploit your own family.
 
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It's def his MO. MJ's trust document should never have been made public, but it wound up in the news of the world. No wonder the estate don't want to give mrs j all the details of their accounting - the family just can't be trusted with confidential documents.

Bubs said:
It is sickening that someone like Roger F point out the obvious. I don't like him, but he is right. Truly sickening that they would do something like this in order get money out of AEG. If they had a strong case, they could have fought their fight in court room, not in tabloids.
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Actually that quote you posted is from the statement that aeg made. Roger, true to form, just made out that the emails were damaging to randy phillips and aeg, he couldn't care less about the damage to mj.
 
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Whatever fines the Jackson's might have to pay I will give you one guess who is going to pay those fines...SMH
 
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ilmjj said:
Whatever fines the Jackson's might have to pay I will give you one guess who is going to pay those fines...SMH
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Yeah, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that yet again it will be MJ's money bailing this sorry excuse of a family out. It upsets me so much that these are the people who are in charge of raising MJ's children.
 
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I hope Friedman is wrong because if he is right then what does it says about KJ: she leaks stories about her son to the media
 
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shelly_webster said:
I hope Friedman is wrong because if he is right then what does it says about KJ: she leaks stories about her son to the media
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As long as she "thinks" there may be a POT OF GOLD at the end, I honestly don't think she cares. In my opinion, she needs that Pot Of Gold to secure the future of her adult sons (and their respective children) when she is no longer here to do so.

The same adult son's she "claims" are all good fathers, but for some reason they cannot provide for themselves and/or their children. They apparently are all still attached to the umbilical cord, which Mother refuses to cut.
 
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Big Apple so true. That money is needed for other children. It seems some are still thinking that Katherine would not do something like this. Katherine talked about Michael's appearance on Oprah when she knew he would not like that. She exploited his children when she knew he would not like that. She allowed others like Mann to exploit Michael and his children when she knew Michael would not like that. She read a bogus statement prepared by the snatchers, as though it was her own words, when she knew it was a lie. Weeks after Michael died she began negotiations with a fraudster when she should have been grieving. Now what does that say about her? She will do some real low things for money.

Even if Randy or another Jackson sold those e-mails, Katherine is still to be blamed because she would be the one who gave them that information. It is Katherine and her attorney who have access to confidential material. Now let's see what their response will be. Be prepared for it was not us.
 
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So far only Roger Friedman published this story, but if this is really true I think it may hurt Katherine's lawyer request to do an accounting of the estate. The judge may not want to give Katherine acess to confidential documents after that.
 
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I really wish the Jacksons, who are always calling for 'justice for Michael', would stop trying to battle things out in the court of public opinion. They have the regrettable tendency of trying to be smart and having it severely backfire on them. I don't understand how they have not grasped a very simple concept when it comes to the media - NO MATTER WHAT THE INTENTION IS, IT ALWAYS ENDS UP REFLECTING BADLY ON MICHAEL.

So if they truly CARED about Michael (YES, I went there), they need to be asking themselves one thing before they leak - how does this impact on Michael's legacy? But apparently some of them are still tied up with the notion of Michael's legacy being bound up with Gary, Indiana and can't seem to see beyond that. But I digress.


I don't know that anyone here on this board is a fan of AEG. But at least they are not leaking confidential documents from a legal proceeding. What a low-class thing to do. This is not about calling out AEG or revealing them to be monsters! Because the lawsuit itself calls them out. No, this is about playing dirty and smearing Michael in the process.
 
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BTW - Friedman's story is true, AEG has filed motion asking for sanctions against Jacksons

AEG says they only provided emails to Lloyds starting from Jan 2009. they provided emails going back to 2008 to KJ and her lawyers

guess what emails were given to LA Times? yep they are dating back to 2008. That's why AEG says it can only be Jacksons and not Lloyds.

LA Times was also given documents from "AEG Live" which is not even a party to Lloyds lawsuit and didn't provide anything to them


We won't see the emails though. They filed the copy of the emails given to La Times under seal :(


Link to document : http://www.scribd.com/doc/105053387/AEG-KJ-Motion-for-Sanctions

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I rushed to post the document but I didn't do a summary. Here's the summary of the motion

AEG had filed for a motion against Katherine Jackson and her lawyers due to the leak of the emails. AEG is asking for
- evidentiary sanctions to NOT allow Katherine to use the leaked emails and documents
- monetary sanctions of at least of $50,000 paid to AEG and $1,500 paid to the court
- an investigation into scope and manner of the breach.

AEG's counsel gets a phone call from LA Times journalist on August 27. The journalist provides them with the emails she has and AEG realizes that this leak could only come from Jacksons - despite the article says the source is Lloyds.

The documents LA Times had was
- 159 pages of discovery from AEG & AEG Live (148 pages confidential)
- 12 pages by Ortega (confidential)
- 1 page from Jacksons
- 36 pages from Murray
- 34 pages from court documents
- 4 pages of news articles

212 pages had Bates numbers and confidentiality notices on them but they were redacted or obstructed in the copies given to LA Times.

AEG says the only AEG counsel and Katherine and her lawyers had access to these documents and therefore the source is Katherine and/or her lawyers.

AEG explains that Ortega and Murray documents were produced in other lawsuits. AEG also says that they provided some but not all of the documents at Lloyds lawsuit.

AEG explains that

- Lloyds discovery documents started from January 2009, Jackson discovery started from September 2008. As LA Times had emails dating back to 2008 AEG argues that the source can only be Jacksons and not Lloyds.

AEG explains that even AEG employees (such as Phillips and Gongaware etc) did not have access to the documents in the format that they were provided to LA Times.

- AEG explains some of the documents are from "AEG" and not "AEG Live". AEG is only a party to the Jacksons case and they did not produce any documents in Lloyds lawsuit again demonstrating that the source is Jacksons and not Lloyds.

AEG thinks the reason for the leak was to tarnish AEG and the documents was selected carefully from a lot bigger number of actual documents. AEG thinks this leak of confidential documents made AEG unable to respond publicly (as they would be required to break confidentiality as well). AEG also argues that some of the emails were hearsay and they could not been able to be used at trial so leaking them was only way to get them out. AEG also says removal of "confidential" notice and the bates numbers show that whoever leaked these were aware that they were breaking a court order.

AEG is also asking for discovery into the breach and leak and want to depose Katherine Jackson and her lawyers, they are even asking the court to assign a special master to investigate this further.

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It's really sad. I am really disappointed by KJ, so she leaked stories about her son in the media?
 
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shelly_webster said:
It's really sad. I am really disappointed by KJ, so she leaked stories about her son in the media?
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I don't think it's Katherine. She is probably unaware of everything going on...IT must be her greedy children Randy, Janet, Rebbie & Jermaine.

I really thing think it's Katherine. Randy seems to be more involved in this lawsuit than KJ, so He is number 1 on my list.
 
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bluesky said:
"This doctor is extremely successful (we check everyone out) and does not need this gig so he [is] totally unbiased and ethical," Phillips wrote.
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Both AEG and the Jacksons are horrible. None cared for MJ! And what is up with them calling MJ Mikey? Like he is a child. Ugh those E-mails are just horrible! >=(
 
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Does Katherine ever know anything? I am just tired of these people behavior and tactics. The only person that gets hurt is Michael and also his kids. I don't support AEG but I hope the Jacksons lose and don't get a single penny. Instead of worrying about the money they think they deserve to get they should have stopped Murray who killed Michael from making any kind money off what he did. And you know he will and they could have prevented it and they chose not to. His family should be the very first ones to protect Michael. I am still waiting to see when they will ever do that.
 
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