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passy001 said:
I usually don't post in the Jacksons thread. But my take on this whole thing is that the Jacksons have handled the death of MJ very poorly, and in so doing have alienated many fans. Their public rush to cash-in on anything MJ has really turned off a lot fans who initially gave them the full benefit of the doubt. Plus, their public interviews were just catastrophic, showing little affection or even sensitivity to their love one MJ. They were essentially racing to call him drug addict on national television and make reference to fabricated interventions, which clearly did not help at all. All of this in exchange of some lousy cash since those were paid interviews. Suddenly we saw the likes of Rebbie and even Jermaine -both of whom have not had a CD for decades - wanting to sing again. That was odd. As time went by their real intentions to exploit the death of MJ for sheer profit was becoming even more blatant. From KJ and Joe and to the remaining siblings. They were all bent on that goal from day one. Schemes such as the Gary museum was just a public embarrassment. Then you had the signed belt, the dodgy coffee book, the Oprah interviews with the MJ3, the public fight with the executors, and Joe with his ice cream and champagne nonsense. All these schemes kept on creeping up, including the endless MJ books by siblings who haven't known MJ in the last 7 to 10 years of his life. we're talking about siblings in their 50s and 60s with no education or professional career here that have become so desperate.

The combination of these events have pushed many fans away for good.
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I just find it mind boggling that they would think anyone would still support them after everything they've done.

If you look up the term "Shooting yourselves in the foot", you would see a picture of the Jackson family.
 
I posted this on the Joe forum and it is just as true here:


The one thing that bothers me the most about Joe and what Toya and many others are doing is saying that the 'truth' is in their books.

First of, why he hell are you putting information you claim to have about your child's murder in a book instead of given this information to the LAPD? Never once did I hear from anyone in that family that they gave information about Michael true 'killers' to the polices. If they did that, they could at least pretend they knew something and the authorizes were not taking them seriously.

The said nothing. Instead, they think it is okay or even righteous to sell information that can use bring justice to Michael like it is a business venture. To me, that is even worst that than what their true goal is. Namely, blackmailing the estate by trying to paint them as murders and attempting to make money off their love ones death. The reason why I see this as worst is because if any of what they are saying is true and the know the truth and won't tell the proper people, then they are conspirators.

They are conspirators because they purposely withheld information and instead trying to sell it. If their claims weren't such BS, they butts would be in jail. That's why no one take anything the Jacksons say about Michael seriously. What family do you know or even in the history of Hollywood sold information regarding murder to the public without telling it to the LAPD?

I tried to ignore this family for months and say nothing of their latest actions, but I don't have the patients for it these last couple of days. Someone on the news needs to blast the Jacksons for not talking to the LAPD, like DA Toya, for not sharing 'truth' of Michael's murder and daring to sell what they know in a book like the common tab.

This is all just shameful.

enlightenu, if you truly believe that the family speak the truth then how can you justify them selling their information? If they went to the LAPD and didn't take their cause, they should be on then news blasting the LAPD and the DA everyday demanding to be heard. They have the means and they indeed know how to get interviews. How can anyone who truly wants justice for Michael accept that the family is selling his murder to to highest bidder and given vague information that they can't even agree on. I mean, it shouldn't be too hard for Toya to ask her dad rather he knew Michael was in danger or not.

How can anyone support any family who make a business on the grave of their son, brother, and a father?
 
Ramona122003 said:
I posted this on the Joe forum and it is just as true here:


The one thing that bothers me the most about Joe and what Toya and many others are doing is saying that the 'truth' is in their books.

First of, why he hell are you putting information you claim to have about your child's murder in a book instead of given this information to the LAPD? Never once did I hear from anyone in that family that they gave information about Michael true 'killers' to the polices. If they did that, they could at least pretend they knew something and the authorizes were not taking them seriously.

The said nothing. Instead, they think it is okay or even righteous to sell information that can use bring justice to Michael like it is a business venture. To me, that is even worst that than what their true goal is. Namely, blackmailing the estate by trying to paint them as murders and attempting to make money off their love ones death. The reason why I see this as worst is because if any of what they are saying is true and the know the truth and won't tell the proper people, then they are conspirators.

They are conspirators because they purposely withheld information and instead trying to sell it. If their claims weren't such BS, they butts would be in jail. That's why no one take anything the Jacksons say about Michael seriously. What family do you know or even in the history of Hollywood sold information regarding murder to the public without telling it to the LAPD?

I tried to ignore this family for months and say nothing of their latest actions, but I don't have the patients for it these last couple of days. Someone on the news needs to blast the Jacksons for not talking to the LAPD, like DA Toya, for not sharing 'truth' of Michael's murder and daring to sell what they know in a book like the common tab.

This is all just shameful.

enlightenu, if you truly believe that the family speak the truth then how can you justify them selling their information? If they went to the LAPD and didn't take their cause, they should be on then news blasting the LAPD and the DA everyday demanding to be heard. They have the means and they indeed know how to get interviews. How can anyone who truly wants justice for Michael accept that the family is selling his murder to to highest bidder and given vague information that they can't even agree on. I mean, it shouldn't be too hard for Toya to ask her dad rather he knew Michael was in danger or not.

How can anyone support any family who make a business on the grave of their son, brother, and a father?
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This post is brilliant and spot on...:clapping::clapping:...Thank you for speaking the truth!!
 
chanel05 said:
While my post was intentionally directed to one person. I felt that the other posters post was directed to one person also, they just didnt quote them specifically. You cant tell me that it isnt a MAJOR COINCIDENCE that after a poster said something that went against the norm in of what is said in this thread.... The poster i quoted conviently went on a rant about how people are kissing peoples buts. While they may not have been the sole reason they went on a rant it was part of it





I didnt take offense, and what you said isnt true.. Its your opinion (not saying you said it was true). I will say that I felt it was very awkard that you went on a rant about people kissing JFam buts after a poster said they agreed with LaToya. 99.9% of the post up to that point all had the same veiw, so it would have been awkward for you to even go on a rant like that when mostly everybody in this thread has the same opinion . Thats just how I took your post and that is why I responded the way I did. No hard feelings, and i wasnt trying to start an argument or anything... thats just how I took your post. If you didnt mean it in that way... I apologize

N dont stop staing your opinion just becasue someone (in this case I) didnt agree with what you said. Everytime someone doesnt agree with you its not that they took offense to what you said. They just may not see where you are coming from, the wording of the post may not have stated the point correctly or they just may not agree. Its just that we have to be able to dicuss our differences (which at times can get heated) or agree to disagree. What would a message board be if everybody agreed on everything????? BORING!!!!!

SORRY TO GET OFF TOPIC------------------- :)
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Ok, Chanel, let me first say, I went on my rant because I wanted too, had nothing to do with the "other" poster, as I cared less about that comment, in fact, I hadn't even seen the comment. Also, please don't attribute what you think my thoughts were and why I sated my opinion to another posters comment. I stated what I said because I wanted to, simple as that. At the end of the day, I have a life outside of the board, so I'm not pressed to comment on every posters comment that I don't agree with.If I have something to say, I'll just say it, I don't bite my toungue, nor do I make it a coincidence. What you may believe to be true from LaToya, I don't, simple as that. I'm a grown woman, I have no time for e-drama. But, it's whatever, moving on.
 
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bluetopez said:
In this interview Latoya says MJ told Joe too about they were gonna kill him for his catalog. o_O But, Joe himself says MJ didn't tell him anything. He said he only found out later through Dieter and Katherine after MJ pased that MJ said those things.
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Exactly!!! Complete contradiction, so which one is it?
 
chanel05 said:
To be honest, I am reading her book now and their is an instant where she has taken responsibilty for what she did. She said something like, she could blame him, but as an adult she should have stood her ground and taken the beating. She aslo said something similar on Piers Morgan
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From what I saw chanel, she was reluctant to take ANY resposibilty on Piers, until PIERS basically let her know he wasn't buying what she was selling, only then did she pretend to take some responsibility. Anyone can say they take resposibility for their actions, but saying it and doing it, and meaning it are three different things...
 
I know I tried to give his family the benefit of the doubt. But the things that have happened the last 2 years you can't help but step back and think why are they doing this or that? It comes across sad really. I don't think I ever seen a family act this way after a loved one passed away. i just don't like the way they talk about Michael. It's like I am reading a tmz article or something. We get enough that already from the media etc. If anyone showed proof of something I would give it a chance but so far nothing has been shown.

When people just talk about Michael the person in how he treated you and how he was down to earth, smart and funny. I love that. It's like a breath of fresh air. We have had some people do that and I wish it would be more like that. Things that make people say "wow, I wish I got to know him too".
 
Ramona122003 said:
I posted this on the Joe forum and it is just as true here:


How can anyone support any family who make a business on the grave of their son, brother, and a father?
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Well, I will go on a limb and say people with no self respect & low self esteem. Who look up to any celebrity to fulfill their boring existence. Have little or difficult family relationship of their own.

That's what I think a person would would support greed would be like. Just my opinion. But really good question....I should ask my psychologist friend to draw a profile for these type of people...I am as curious as you.

Back on topic: Can Latoya keep up with all her lies? She claimed Joe Jackson knew MJ was scared for his life...but Joe Jackson said he never knew. He learned all this AFTER Michael passed.
 
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For those who care & are anxious to know: Her book is # 2,938 on Amazon's top 100. And no, I am not making this up.


So don't waste your time looking for it on the NYT bestsellers' list this weekend
 
Memefan said:
For those who care & are anxious to know: Her book is # 2,938 on Amazon's top 100. And no, I am not making this up.


So don't waste your time looking for it on the NYT bestsellers' list this weekend
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As I said in the past, no one takes that family seriously so why would they spend money on their trash? It doesn't help that books about Michael, good or bad, generally don't sell. The only real exception was after his passed and people bought everything they could about Michael to learn more about him. Two years later, I think the general public knows what to expect and don't care.

Not to mention, who cares what Toya think? This isn't the 90s when people paid attention to her because she was kind of like a rodeo clown and it was actually amusing to watch her talk. As my father said, even if it is kind of harsh, she couldn't make it even after she took her clothes off.
 
Memefan said:
For those who care & are anxious to know: Her book is # 2,938 on Amazon's top 100. And no, I am not making this up.
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I'm not surprised at that number. Homegirl can promote that joint until the swans come home, but that number won't change by much, in my opinion.

I truly believe that the majority of the general public don't buy her: "it was all Jack Gordon's fault" gimmick. So they have no interest in her book.

And she LIED to any interested Michael Jackson fan, when she "claimed" that she would be revealing information in her book that was NOT revealed after all.

Fan or no fan, NOBODY likes being ripped off!
 
8701girl said:
I personally wouldnt trust everything that joe says, he's behaviour has been utterly disgusting since mj died
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My point was, I trust nothing either one of them is saying...both just told that lie, its not wriiten, but out of their own mouths. LaToya claimed he knew, he now claims he didn't, get where I'm going with this? If you're going to tell a LIE, at least be consistent and get your stories straight BEFORE you hit the airwaves...
 
Anniesnotokmj said:
My point was, I trust nothing either one of them is saying...both just told that lie, its not wriiten, but out of their own mouths. LaToya claimed he knew, he now claims he didn't, get where I'm going with this? If you're going to tell a LIE, at least be consistent and get your stories straight BEFORE you hit the airwaves...
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True but i reckon joe said that to make la toya look stupid IMO
 
8701girl said:
True but i reckon joe said that to make la toya look stupid IMO
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Why would he do that? LOL! I mean, LaToya was the ONLY Jackson family member to show up and support her father at his perfume launch party in Las Vegas.

In my opinion, they just can't keep up with their respective lies.
 
enlightenu said:
Uh-oh. I guess she's on "the list" too now.
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No she is not, and won't be unless she makes the same derogatory comments about Michael as Latoya and the rest of the Jackson family did. I highly doubt she's read it, she is probably only supporting for Latoya's sake. She's made her feelings very clear just 2 weeks ago about how and what Michael was, which contradicts anything that comes out of Latoya's filthy mouth. And SHE (Kathy) was actually someone who some Michael a couple times more than just once in 5 years.
 
twinklEE said:
I highly doubt she's read it, she is probably only supporting for Latoya's sake. She's made her feelings very clear just 2 weeks ago about how and what Michael was, which contradicts anything that comes out of Latoya's filthy mouth. And SHE (Kathy) was actually someone who some Michael a couple times more than just once in 5 years.
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Lol! Why do fans always assume and twist things that support their own views and how they want to have it? It would really be stupid of Mrs. Hilton to say "I can't put the book down" if she hasn't read it.

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LaToya says Michael was murdered. So this is filthy? Many other people believe this. So we are all filthy? When did Mrs. Hilton contradict to everything that LaToya says?
 
Justice_MJ said:
LaToya says Michael was murdered. So this is filthy? Many other people believe this. So we are all filthy? When did Mrs. Hilton contradict to everything that LaToya says?
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I doubt that "MANY OTHER PEOPLE BELIEVE THIS," or LaToya's book would have been more successful.

In my opinion, what most people believe is that LaToya has lied in the past, so why should they believe her now?

2,938 is a straight-up EMBARRASSMENT, especially since the book is just a week old.

As to Kathy Hilton, in my opinion, homegirl knows what time it is. LOL! She ain't trying to get the boot from Michael's family. She will continue to keep the peace and play nice, because she wants to continue to have access to Michael's children. One negative word out of Ms. Hilton's mouth and she will be kicked to the curb. She ain't stupid. LOL!

BUT Ms. Hilton's recent comments on Piers Morgan are clearly in contrast to what LaToya and "some" of her family have to say. Although, none of that is surprising since the fact is that Ms. Hilton spent more time with Michael than LaToya did.
 
Justice_MJ said:
Lol! Why do fans always assume and twist things that support their own views and how they want to have it? It would really be stupid of Mrs. Hilton to say "I can't put the book down" if she hasn't read it.

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LaToya says Michael was murdered. So this is filthy? Many other people believe this. So we are all filthy? When did Mrs. Hilton contradict to everything that LaToya says?
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Oh yeah people never lie on twitter
 
Justice_MJ said:
Lol! Why do fans always assume and twist things that support their own views and how they want to have it? It would really be stupid of Mrs. Hilton to say "I can't put the book down" if she hasn't read it.

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LaToya says Michael was murdered. So this is filthy? Many other people believe this. So we are all filthy? When did Mrs. Hilton contradict to everything that LaToya says?
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That because she claimed that Michael always told her he was going to be murder, although he only saw him a hand full of times. Even in her book, she claimed Michael only said this during the trial. Everything else was more in line with, "Nice to see you." She also can't get her story straight about rather her father knew about the plot or not. Not to mention she said Michael was 108, per Karen, despite the autopsy saying he was 136.

Btw, of course Michael was murder. It on the autopsy that his death was ruled a homicide and Murray is going to trial on manslaughter. The biggest different is that she claimed Murray was just the fall guy and there are others, which she won't even name. Which is bad because she didn't tell this to the police, for her own claim, which makes her one of the conspirators. You don't sell vital information about murder to the public in the forum of a book or an interview and act like you're doing justice to the victim.
 
Ramona122003 said:
You don't sell vital information about murder to the public in the forum of a book or an interview and act like you're doing justice to the victim.
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To top it off, what she has to SELL is a bunch of NON-INFORMATION.

Non-information that she justifies by saying: "it's all in my book, just read between the lines."

The fans who do believe in a conspiracy probably thought they were going to hear something important. Any of them who spent money on her book, were clearly ripped off, in my opinion.
 
Justice_MJ said:
Lol! Why do fans always assume and twist things that support their own views and how they want to have it? It would really be stupid of Mrs. Hilton to say "I can't put the book down" if she hasn't read it.

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LaToya says Michael was murdered. So this is filthy? Many other people believe this. So we are all filthy? When did Mrs. Hilton contradict to everything that LaToya says?
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LAtoya claims her brother was a junkie in denial, Mrs. Hilton NEVER claimed this
 
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