Marlon Jackson vs Frank Dileo

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Yeh, Frank said a fan called him up and told him Michael was being taken to hospital.


There have been lots of different versions of that day.

All these people have been mentioned as being there in the house that day:

Frank
Joe
Majestic
Murray
Thome (it was even reported somewhere that it was Thome that was 'treating' MJ that day. That must just be a mistake though because he's not even a real doctor.)

I read security called Joe first and Joe was angry like 'wtf are you doing, get yourselves together and dial 911 NOW' - that information came from a 'source' in a newspaper article.

Frank said the nurse at the hospital told him Michael was gone but they would contine working on him until his mother arrived .. what??! I don't believe that at all.

So.....you believe Frank when he says a fan called him and told him about Michael but you don't believe him when he says what the nurse told him?

See, I don't believe a thing he says. IMO he is a liar!
 
Katz was put on the same time, don't forget Dileo, Katz & Branca - all from the Victory tour. Katz was Jermaine's legal counsel. McClain has always been there. McClain according to TMZ, was fine with a Jackson executor, but not Branca.

Since Joe was called at least no later than 12:30, I have wondered why it took so long for the family to get to the hospital. Joe said he was calling around after that, you would think he would have called family members.
joe called latoya 2 times and latoya said he told her to get to the hospital at once.
 
It would be good if we could get an interview with Joe like Rafles did with Frank and Travis.
 
So this seems to go with that phone call a relative of mine had with Marlon. When Marlon told him that Michael wasn't felling well (because of heart problem) the night before but the doctor didn't take him to the hospital, saying that Michael was fine. My relative also said Marlon told him that Michael EVEN ASKED to be taken to the hospital. And that's when the doctor said he was fine.

I just wonder, which doctor was it? Was it Murray or "dr." thome.

And Kenny said Michael seemed fine when he left that night. So something happened, later that night when he got home. I think it's bad enough that Michael would ASK to be taken to the hospital. I mean, surely, your health doesn't get that bad is such short a time. When just a couple of hours before, he was rehearsing and hugging people, telling them he'll see them tomorrow.

From what we know, Murray was with Michael that night, "helping him sleep." I'd like to know where Thome Thome was that night.

And what bothers me, is that all of a sudden, Michael is feeling so bad that he ASKS to be taken to the hopsital? And NO DOCTOR would take him?? Hell, he even asked to go to the hospital even with a doc in the house....that tells me Michael felt he needed much higher aid, maybe because the cardiologist in his house didn't have proper equipment??

I just don't understand why Michael couldn't ask one of his security of drivers to drive him and just ignore the doctors. But then again, he could have been controlled that night.

I remember hearing this story around 6/25...MJ saying he wasn't feeling well and that he felt he should be taken to the hospital, yet he never made it.

Then we have MJ calling Nurse Lee 3 days before, was it? Because he was worried one side of his body was hot the other cold.

So my first question is ...IF your relative is right and IF the news report I heard which corresponds with Marlon's version, if that's true...why give Michael all of the meds he was given, PLUS a lethal amount of Propofol, right after he complains of heart problems???

Secondly, Its suspected that Thome was there under the assumption of him having been a medical doctor, which he wasn't, and Murray...well he's a cardiologist but is he really? If he was, then why in the world was a Nurse/Nutritionist called on for advice, when Michael had a hired cardiologist right there with him whom he was paying 150K+/month???

I'm pretty sure a cardiologist is more qualified in identifying a central nervous system problem than a simple nurse or nutritionist, whatever she was.

Didn't Cherilyn Lee also recommend that Michael be taken to the Hospital right away, 3 days before?

So far, we have two alleged hospital requests that were ignored. Hm.:no:
 
So my first question is ...IF your relative is right and IF the news report I heard which corresponds with Marlon's version, if that's true...why give Michael all of the meds he was given, PLUS a lethal amount of Propofol, right after he complains of heart problems???

Exactly. That's worse than the question, why not take a guy to the hospital when he asks to be taken?

And doesn't matter if one is a doctor and they think they know everything. If one asks ANYONE to be taken to the hospital, they should be taken.

No exceptions.

I could understand if Michael asked to go to the clinic and no one took him. But to the hospital?? All this really upsets me.

And what bothers me the most, is that Michael would not need the consent of his doctors to go. When he tells his drivers to take him to Moist Men, they take him their, or to a bookstore, they take him there, or a toyshop for his children, their too. But when it comes to a hospital....he couldn't just ask his driver????

I think Michael was being kept in that room through both manipulation and later on, force.
 
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^ because if Michael went to the hospital many ppl will ask for a refund and the most high priced tickets that appeared lately that month will not be sold..
they were fighting the skin cancer rumore and did not want more buzz.
 
Last thing that was on Michael's mind was ticket sales, especially if he himself requested to be taken to the Hospital.

And why would they fear that the fans would back out before the tour upon hearing MJ in the hospital? If he couldn't make the concert they'd all get a refund eventually anyways. I mean, after he died, everyone got their refund.
 
Oaxman says that it was Frank Dileo who called 911
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Oaxman says that it was Frank Dileo who called 911
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That is an interesting vid, but he says "from what I was told" about Frank
Dileo & then as I hear it he says "I do not know". Dileo could have made an additional call, I suppose. This vid is from before MJ passing or official passing. We do know Frank Dileo called Dr. Klein, which I find odd, really odd. Dileo called Phillips, Phillips called Leiweke at 12:30. LAPD said called at 1.
 
Then we have MJ calling Nurse Lee 3 days before, was it?


It was Sunday, June 21st. Also, MJ apparently didn't sign the contract

with Murray, and Klein said that MJ called his office, according to the

people there, asking for an anesthesiologist.

It all points to MJ not being satisfied with Murray's work. Doesn't it?
 
So far, we have two alleged hospital requests that were ignored. Hm.:no:



...and a doctor who told neither the paramedics nor the people at UCLA

that one of the things administered was Propofol.

It wasn't Murray's best interest to take MJ the hospital on June 21st and

talk about Propofol possibly being the reason why MJ wasn't feeling well.

Was it?
 
I believe Marlon. How strange Frank is denying that he ever had that conversation with Marlon.

That is weird, unless Dileo had spent the night at Michael's house, which highly doubt.

Regarding Branca, Michael fired him in 2003 due to him recieiving funds from Sony in an offshore account for conspiraing with Mottola to aquire Michael's half of the Sony/ATV catalogue. And then the very first time MJ meets him again, 8 days before MJs death, he is rehired. Why would MJ rehire a man who has already conspired against him.

Read this thread and this will show you how untrustworthy John Branca is:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86099

I feel very uneasy about this. So much coincidence that it can't be just coincidence.

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Well, I was thinking... If Dileo is lying about Michael not feeling well the previous night, what difference does it make if the autopsy results affirm that Michael died from a acute propofol intoxicantion?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Dileo, I'm just considering the information we have.
 
That is an interesting vid, but he says "from what I was told" about Frank
Dileo & then as I hear it he says "I do not know". Dileo could have made an additional call, I suppose. This vid is from before MJ passing or official passing. We do know Frank Dileo called Dr. Klein, which I find odd, really odd. Dileo called Phillips, Phillips called Leiweke at 12:30. LAPD said called at 1.
I was reading on a website actually that the 911 people had the address of Frank's hotel on their screen. I didn't pay much attention to it when I read it. Now that I see this video...IDK.

I'm going to go see if I can find the discussion on this, hopefully.
 
It was Sunday, June 21st. Also, MJ apparently didn't sign the contract

with Murray, and Klein said that MJ called his office, according to the

people there, asking for an anesthesiologist.

It all points to MJ not being satisfied with Murray's work. Doesn't it?


I think that you cannot forget the meeting of Dileo, Phillips, Murray about MJ.
Did they say MJ was there? Can't remember at the moment, but that was June 19. Just read that.
 
Sorry, but I saw another thread that I could ask, as mentioned here the Oxman.
Why Oxman was hired by the family, also because in 2005 he betrayed and hurt both MJ MJ?
Say what you think, please. Sorry flee to the topic ..
 
Stop saying Joe was called by MJ's entourage. Joe admitted that he knew Michael was dead through fans.
 
Apparently Joe was called by Alberto before they even called 911. Joe told them 'pull yourselves together and call 911 now!!'

Frank found out through a fan.
 
Frank was called by Murray before they even called 911 e Frank called Alberto and call 911
 
Frank was called while he was having lunch at a restaurant by a fan. I even know who called him. He was not previously called Murray unless we're missing something here?
 
Frank was called while he was having lunch at a restaurant by a fan. I even know who called him. He was not previously called Murray unless we're missing something here?
I got confused when Oxman who has just come out from where Michael was @ 4:30pm PDT where Frank also was and said that Frank was the one who called 911:
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Frank was called while he was having lunch at a restaurant by a fan. I even know who called him. He was not previously called Murray unless we're missing something here?

There was obviously alot of furious phone calling so it would be natural to have confusion about it. Pearl Jr gave an account of how she found out & people she called.

LAPD called at 1pm.
link:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/06/michael_jackson_rushed_to_hosp.html

Update 8:53 PM Greg Strank, a detective with Los Angeles Police Department's robbery and homicide unit, told journalists gathered outside Michael Jackson's house that the media shouldn't read anything significant into officers from his unit being on the scene. "We investigate deaths every day," he said, adding that the high profile nature of the case led the the LAPD chief to have his unit secure the scene and conduct an investigation. He wouldn't answer questions beyond the time the police were notified, at about 1:00 PM Los Angeles time, and the time the cultural icon was pronounced dead, 2:30 PM Los Angeles time.

(I believe I did see this interview on TV)



Frank called Klein's office - Klein said so in his TMZ interview, he did not talk to Klein but to the office manager is my memory. I thought that was wierd. Not sure of time.

Leiweke of AEG was called at 12:30 according to an interview he gave.

http://www.filmjournal.com/filmjour...es/movies/e3i148e1ece59e59865865f25b91b4c048f
(this article on many sites)

At 12:30 p.m. June 25, Leiweke received a call informing him Jackson had been taken to the hospital. “Like the rest of the world, we were on the outside,” he says. “Randy [Phillips] didn’t know specifics until he got to the hospital, and by then, unfortunately, it was our worst scenario. It was shocking because what we knew was he was healthy—of that we were certain.”

Joe was called 11:30-12:20? according to NE by Tippy Alvarez. There was a abc article that gave the time as 11:30 by a friend of Joe's. Could be a typo, that it was 12:30? but it is accurate that he was called IMO. On LKL Joe said he heard of MJ death thru a fan is how I think Joe interpreted the question

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/66888

As Dr. Murray worked on the stricken pop star, the N.Y. Post said Tippy placed a call to the singer's father Joe in Las Vegas, who "screamed" at them to call for help. The U.K. Mirror quoted a source as saying over this time Jackson's heart beat became "slower and slower," and Dr. Murray may have hooked Jackson up to a heart monitor. Various reports say Dr. Murray gave Jackson an injection of Lidocaine, a drug designed to return a regular heartbeat.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/20/lkl.01.html
Joe, I have -- I have not heard the answer to this -- how did you learn of Michael's passing?

JOE JACKSON, FATHER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: Well, I -- I learned that by some of the fans, you know. They called me and they told me that the ambulance was leaving Michael's house and it looked it was headed toward the hospital. And he said the fire truck was following the ambulance. And they said we are following the fire truck.

That's how I learned.

KING: Wow!

Did you turn the TV on right away?

JACKSON: No, I did not. I was trying to find out more of the things, you know, by the fans and that sort of the thing.

KING: Wow!

So fans were the first to tell you?

JACKSON: Yes, they did. They always keep me abreast of what's going on.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=7981589&page=1

When Michael Jackson collapsed at 11:30 [a.m. PT June 25], the security guard's first instinct was to call Joe in Las Vegas to find out what to do. Joe screamed into the phone, "Get yourself together and call 911, now now now !!!" That was him in action, no emotion.


Now what Alvarez initially told Joe will be quite interesting - Murray called for help & Alvarez came - did Murray tell Alvarez a different story & that is what he told Joe & that is what ended up in the tabs? This article was published on July 1 & reading it again, Joe may have been told that MJ collapsed at 11:30 & that would not be the actual time of the call to Joe.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ael-murdered--I-felt-start.html#ixzz0fxXSxNEi
According to LaToya, Joe called her to go to the hospital:

She reveals specific details of the scene inside her brother’s rented £60,000-a-month Beverly Hills mansion. He was not found in bed, as has been widely reported, but instead was inside the nearby bedroom of his personal physician Dr Conrad Murray, a man who ‘disappeared’ from the hospital when La Toya began grilling him.

She tells how an intravenous drip stand was beside the bed and oxygen canisters lined the walls.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ael-murdered--I-felt-start.html#ixzz0fxXSxNEi

‘About an hour-and-a-half later, my father called me from Las Vegas and said, “Get to the hospital right away. Michael’s been rushed to hospital.”’
(note: hour & half refers to Farrah Fawcett death)

other snippets from LT article that are interesting:

She says Michael was taken to hospital from Dr Murray’s bedroom, across a large hall from his own. ‘Michael walked from his room to Dr Murray’s room. What happened in there we don’t know. He ended up alone in the room with the doctor.’

Shortly after midday, the doctor ran downstairs and screamed at bodyguard Alberto Alvarez to call the emergency services.

Brother Michael saw him and said it was obvious he was dead. There were oxygen tanks along the wall next to the dresser. There was a metal stand with a cord hanging down. The police had already been in the house and had removed all the drugs and whatever bag was hanging there.’


From reading the article, it seems she went to the house that night after 11pm with Jeffre Phillips. According to Klein she spent 2 nights there. Don't know if thats true but could be since his first instincts were to call lawyers, DR & I am going to speculate private detectives.
 
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That is a great post.

wow. there is much confusion, who called whom and when.

and that what Brian Oxman says in this youtube video ~ from what I was told Frank DiLeo called 911 ~ maybe not accurate info, I mean we were fed with so much misinformation from day one - who was his source, this would be interesting to know humm
 

Just quoting this part from the link you gave.

Update 8:53 PM Greg Strank, a detective with Los Angeles Police Department's robbery and homicide unit, told journalists gathered outside Michael Jackson's house that the media shouldn't read anything significant into officers from his unit being on the scene. "We investigate deaths every day," he said, adding that the high profile nature of the case led the the LAPD chief to have his unit secure the scene and conduct an investigation. He wouldn't answer questions beyond the time the police were notified, at about 1:00 PM Los Angeles time, and the time the cultural icon was pronounced dead, 2:30 PM Los Angeles time.

Ok so the paramedics were called at 12:26 arrived within a few minutes and stayed at the house for 40+ minutes, so does that mean LAPD were already notified while MJ was still in the house with the paramedics? (Or on his way to the hospital, since the guy says around 1pm)
I would love to know more details about this, such as who notified them and why they weren't at the house right away?
 
Just quoting this part from the link you gave.

Originally Posted by jrsfan

LAPD called at 1pm.
link:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...d_to_hosp.html

Just quoting this part from the link you gave.

Quote:
Update 8:53 PM Greg Strank, a detective with Los Angeles Police Department's robbery and homicide unit, told journalists gathered outside Michael Jackson's house that the media shouldn't read anything significant into officers from his unit being on the scene. "We investigate deaths every day," he said, adding that the high profile nature of the case led the the LAPD chief to have his unit secure the scene and conduct an investigation. He wouldn't answer questions beyond the time the police were notified, at about 1:00 PM Los Angeles time, and the time the cultural icon was pronounced dead, 2:30 PM Los Angeles time.



Ok so the paramedics were called at 12:26 arrived within a few minutes and stayed at the house for 40+ minutes, so does that mean LAPD were already notified while MJ was still in the house with the paramedics? (Or on his way to the hospital, since the guy says around 1pm)
I would love to know more details about this, such as who notified them and why they weren't at the house right away?


These are good questions - & not answered yet as far as I can tell.
 
These are good questions - & not answered yet as far as I can tell.
well usually when someone calls 911....a firetruck, a rescue squad and a police car will respond to the address that the call came from.
 
These are good questions - & not answered yet as far as I can tell.

when the paramedics were called they were not aware of who the patient was. They realised it was Michael after thy arrived at the house.

From the prelim, we know that they tried to help Micheal for some time, then they called the UCLA, and talked to Dr Cooper. Dr Cooper wanted to prounonce Michael at his home, but Murray didn't want to, so they decided to take him to the UCLA. During this conversation, the paramedics informed Dr Cooper that it was a "high profile patient", namely Michael Jackson.

There were people gathering outside the house (the ambulance was is the driveway, visible from the street, and stayed there for 40 mn)

So it sounds logical to me that the LAPD was notified at around that time, either by the UCLA or by the LAFD, when the paramedics reported that they were taking their patient to the UCLA .
I assume the paramedics also informed the LAFD that it was Michael Jackson, and that he had been in full cardiac arrest for 40mn.
 
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What I know and what was said in prelim is that they (paramedics) did not recognize Michael when they arrived at the house..... or am I wrong??

According to Pearl Jr.'s vid, one of the paramedics did think it was MJ.
 
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