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Re: CA Medical Board Seeking to Suspend Murray's Medical License

Beachlover said:
It is very hard for us to know what is going to be relevant or irrelevant to the jury. They will be given the facts from both sides of the case.

While the DA may show Murray to be a greedy doctor, the defense team may try to show Michael as a powerful entertainer throwing his money in a struggling poor doctors face. This is the part of a trial that is so difficult. For each charge there will be some sort of defense.

They will get doctors to defend Murrays actions. There will be people who attempt to dispute the anesthesiologists report from the coroner. You may be shocked but they will throw it all out there. They will make it a point to show the jury that Michael used these drugs many times before and they will make it a point to show that Michael asked for this drug this time. This is why I am really against going for a higher charge. I think it is asking for Murray to get off and skip out the door whistling. At least this charge has a chance of sticking.

People do get away with murder in this country if they have a good enough lawyer. The jury will hear everything Michael did or said in the last months of his life from all sorts of people and they will attempt to show reasonable doubt to the jury.

I actually am not looking forward to this. It will be 'interesting' but it is too close to my heart to want to hear it all.
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I am aware of how the justice system works and exactly how the defense will try to win this by painting Michael in the worst possible light - frankly they wouldn't be a very good defense team if they DIDN'T try to do that, as painful as it will be for those of us who love Michael. And of course we don't KNOW what the jury will see as relevant or irrelevant.

We all know they will be given facts from both sides, my post was simply emphasising the one indisputable fact (Murray's breach of his duty of care) which directly led to Michael's passing and my HOPE that this is what the jury will focus on in determining whether or not to convict Murray of IM, assuming this is what the final charge is.

Anyway, returning back to topic, at the very least one would expect his license to practice to be removed for his litany of failings when 'caring' for Michael.
 
Re: CA Medical Board Seeking to Suspend Murray's Medical License

Beachlover,

what reputable doctor could the defense get to side with Murray? Every doctor questioned has said that what he did was insane. I don't think there is a doctor who would admit what he did was right. If they do admit it, their own careers might be in jeopardy.
 
Re: CA Medical Board Seeking to Suspend Murray's Medical License

StacyJ said:
Beachlover,

what reputable doctor could the defense get to side with Murray? Every doctor questioned has said that what he did was insane. I don't think there is a doctor who would admit what he did was right. If they do admit it, their own careers might be in jeopardy.
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What do you mean "every doctor questioned?" You mean the ones in the news? The ones that are going for the tabloid sensation?

Neil Ratner was a doctor who treated MJ in the past for 'sleep' and went with him on tour in 1997. That doctor himself was high on Morphine. An upper East Side doctor yesterday admitted he was stoned on illegal drugs for nearly a decade while administering anesthesia to patients. Dr. Neil Ratner - who used to work with such rock acts as Pink Floyd and Peter Frampton before becoming a physician - made the stunning admission while testifying.....

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Neil+Ratner#ixzz0hIfMMULH

This is not going to look favorably to Michael either; that Michael used this drug in the past and it will be proven he asked for it.

All of this is not excusing Murray making a mistake but it certainly isn't going to help the prosecution go for any higher charge here. I am sure there are doctors out there who use Propofol outside a hospital setting that will testify. Its not illegal.

We will see when and if there is a trial but I think there will be expert testimony on the defenses part from physicians who will attempt to dispute the autopsy results. They just need to put serious considerable doubt in the jurys minds.
 
Re: CA Medical Board Seeking to Suspend Murray's Medical License

So what if Michael asked for it that doesn't make a blind bit of difference if he did or not. He obviously wasn't that desperate to get it as he wouldn't agree to Murray's initial salary demmands. Murray is a doctor and should have held his oath in higher regard, not be governed by greed. It was because of his greed a man is dead and he should pay for his negligence and stupidity.
 
Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's DR From Practicing In CA *After Trial Update #22*

March 23, 2010
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Brown Asks Court to Prevent Michael Jackson's Former Doctor Conrad Murray from Practicing Medicine

Los Angeles-Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr. today announced that his office has filed documents with the Los Angeles Superior Court on behalf of the California Medical Board to ask the court to restrict the medical license of Michael Jackson's former doctor, Conrad Murray, preventing him from practicing medicine in California until the criminal proceedings against him are completed.

"Murray administered a lethal dose of propofol, as well as other drugs to Michael Jackson," alleged Brown in his filing. "We will argue in court that Murray was reckless in giving Jackson such a dangerous drug and has demonstrated a serious lack of judgment that should prohibit him from practicing medicine."

The Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office filed a criminal complaint last month alleging that Dr. Murray committed involuntary manslaughter last year when he gave Michael Jackson the lethal dose of propofol. Jackson was under Dr. Murray's care at the time of his death.

Brown's office is representing the California Medical Board, the agency charged with protecting the public from dangerous, incompetent or impaired physicians and surgeons.

Copies of the court filings are attached.
http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1882_murray_filings.pdf

http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/release.php?id=1882
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

This bastard should of been stopped along time ago...even if he has 1 patient that is still 1 too many.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

Although this is good news, we must remember that this is only for California. It would not stop Murray working at his practices at Nevada and Texas.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

ivy said:
Although this is good news, we must remember that this is only for California. It would not stop Murray working at his practices at Nevada and Texas.
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I remember that was said when Murray was in court to be formally charged. They should have done this on June 25 and not 8 months later. :doh:


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Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

Could it be that the fans' actions are beginning to get heard finally?
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

He disrespected medicine and its purpose...he should be kicked out for good.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

Any non celebrity related doctor that is accused of killing their patient would not be allowed to practice medicine unless their name is cleared, the same should go for murray. He admitted to injecting michael with the stuff that killed him and he's going around like nothing happened, I hope his license is revoked.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

And it took eight and a half months to file this? As soon as a doctor is under investigation they should not be practicising whatsoever until the investigation is over. Why has he got special treatment? And even if it is revoked in CA he can still practice in Nevada and Texas. The whole thing is a joke and it makes me so angry.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

I agree. I don't understand this at all. He is under a criminal investigation, someone died while being in his care. I know about "innocent until proven guilty", but he admitted giving propofol and the coroner said it was propofol that caused Michael's death. This doctor should not be allowed to practice medicine, he might heal somebody else to death.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

Exactly, I can't get my head around the fact that he's still allowed to practice...wtf?!
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

Another slap in the wrist, just like the non-sedation.
Does Murray have a practice in California? No.
It would only make sense if Nevada and Texas took the hint and revoked his licence.
But I guess it has to start from somewhere.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

Unfortunately this is because how the USA system is set up. Here we have states and each one of them has their own medical boards, certification etc. You get certified in each state and each state has to go through their own process to suspend or revoke a licence. In all cases this takes time. Also even though a patient died as of know we don't know whether it was intentional or an accident (remember he's not charged with murder so it means that they think it's not intentional).

and like I said it's good that they are filing this case but in the end of the day it doesn't matter much as Murray does not have a practice in California and it doesn't stop him from practicing in Nevada and Texas.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

ashtanga said:
I'm impressed (if true)... 8 months after they resolve to do so. :doh:
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thas why the board asked the judge to pull his licence when he was charged but the judge refused so they are having to go through the slow normal system way

anyway he only had one paitent in cali so it looks good but its pretty pointless. what about texas and nevada. ppl should be lobbying there
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

good. lets hope the whole of the rest of the states in america follow suit.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

elusive moonwalker said:
thas why the board asked the judge to pull his licence when he was charged but the judge refused so they are having to go through the slow normal system way

anyway he only had one paitent in cali so it looks good but its pretty pointless. what about texas and nevada. ppl should be lobbying there
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Yes..... This is still far and will roll further. :doh:

:fortuneteller:

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Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

What the Texas Med Board had to say in Dec re Murray:
http://blogs.chron.com/medblog/archives/2009/12/medical_board_q.html


Medical board question: Is Jackson doctor threat to patients?

When Dr. Conrad Murray, the Houston cardiologist at the center of the investigation into Michael Jackson's death, resumed seeing patients in Acres Homes last week, the question on many minds was, Should he be able to practice?

After all, Murray faces possible criminal charges — Los Angeles police investigators recently said they won't make a decision on his case until 2010 — for giving the pop singer the powerful anesthetic propofol, which the coroner's report ruled killed him. And even if he escapes prosecution, most doctors expect Murray will lose his license over what one says "goes beyond medical malpractice."
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Houston Chronicle
Will Texas Medical Board revoke Conrad Murray's license?

So what's the latest from the Texas Medical Board, which, contrary to the impression you might have got from everyone's favorite gossip site TMZ, has not confirmed it is investigating Murray. State law only allows disciplinary actions to be made public, not investigations.

"Murray, like all Texas doctors, is subject to scrutiny as well as entitled to due process as outlined in the law which the board must follow," TMB President Irvin Zeitler said in a statement. "Developments and final actions in California and Nevada on both a medical board and criminal action basis will be monitored."

Curious whether that meant Texas is letting the two other states where Murray is licensed take the lead, hoping to piggyback on their action, we called the board for clarification. Mari Robinson, the board's executive director, said it simply means if another state board were to take a disciplinary action against Murray, that would trigger a TMB investigation (if one is not already under way) and could trigger immediate TMB action. She said that a license revocation by another state would obviously receive greater priority than a fine.

Beyond that, Robinson wasn't tipping her hand about Murray's status in Texas. If officials deemed Murray a threat to his patient, the board could act quickly to convene an emergency hearing at which some sort of limitation could be placed on the doctor's practice, such as suspending his license or requiring he be accompanied by a supervising physician. It would appear Murray is not seen as such a threat, given the lack of such a hearing or rumors of such a plan more than seven months after Jackson's death.

Robinson acknowledged many Houstonians' concerns, but emphasized the board still needs to meet legal standards and that proof a violation occurred can be difficult to obtain.



So in Texas they DO have the facility to convene an 'emergency hearing' to sanction a medic they have concerns about...why not in California?!
 
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Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

honeysucklejasmine said:
What the Texas Med Board had to say in Dec re Murray:
http://blogs.chron.com/medblog/archives/2009/12/medical_board_q.html


Medical board question: Is Jackson doctor threat to patients?

When Dr. Conrad Murray, the Houston cardiologist at the center of the investigation into Michael Jackson's death, resumed seeing patients in Acres Homes last week, the question on many minds was, Should he be able to practice?

After all, Murray faces possible criminal charges — Los Angeles police investigators recently said they won't make a decision on his case until 2010 — for giving the pop singer the powerful anesthetic propofol, which the coroner's report ruled killed him. And even if he escapes prosecution, most doctors expect Murray will lose his license over what one says "goes beyond medical malpractice."
murray.jpg

Houston Chronicle
Will Texas Medical Board revoke Conrad Murray's license?

So what's the latest from the Texas Medical Board, which, contrary to the impression you might have got from everyone's favorite gossip site TMZ, has not confirmed it is investigating Murray. State law only allows disciplinary actions to be made public, not investigations.

"Murray, like all Texas doctors, is subject to scrutiny as well as entitled to due process as outlined in the law which the board must follow," TMB President Irvin Zeitler said in a statement. "Developments and final actions in California and Nevada on both a medical board and criminal action basis will be monitored."

Curious whether that meant Texas is letting the two other states where Murray is licensed take the lead, hoping to piggyback on their action, we called the board for clarification. Mari Robinson, the board's executive director, said it simply means if another state board were to take a disciplinary action against Murray, that would trigger a TMB investigation (if one is not already under way) and could trigger immediate TMB action. She said that a license revocation by another state would obviously receive greater priority than a fine.

Beyond that, Robinson wasn't tipping her hand about Murray's status in Texas. If officials deemed Murray a threat to his patient, the board could act quickly to convene an emergency hearing at which some sort of limitation could be placed on the doctor's practice, such as suspending his license or requiring he be accompanied by a supervising physician. It would appear Murray is not seen as such a threat, given the lack of such a hearing or rumors of such a plan more than seven months after Jackson's death.

Robinson acknowledged many Houstonians' concerns, but emphasized the board still needs to meet legal standards and that proof a violation occurred can be difficult to obtain.



So in Texas they DO have the facility to convene an 'emergency hearing' to sanction a medic they have concerns about...why not in California?!
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It sounds to me like the Texas board is carping out right now...they don't want to be the one's to decide whether or not Murray losses his license in that state first. I find that cowardly. They know he killed Michael yet they let him continue to treat other patients. Sickening.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

What a lot of prosecutors and doctors seem to think is that if California does indeed revoke his license it will bring out a 'domino effect' where the other states will follow. Texas and Nevada seem to waiting on what California will do. If California revokes it its pretty certain that Texas and Nevada will revoke it too. The whole system is screwed up and its deplorable that he is still allowed to practice. This is a doctor who has been charged for manslaughter and he is still at present allowed to practice?!
 
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sloride said:
What a lot of prosecutors and doctors seem to think is that if California does indeed revoke his license it will bring out a 'domino effect' where the other states will follow. Texas and Nevada seem to waiting on what California will do. If California revokes it its pretty certain that Texas and Nevada will revoke it too. The whole system is screwed up and its deplorable that he is still allowed to practice. This is a doctor who has been charged for manslaughter and he is still at present allowed to practice?!
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I agree with you...it is as though they are making a mockery out of this whole thing. Thats the justice system in America for you.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

end of the day murray only treats ppl on welfare. if he kills a few of them off who cares less benifits to pay out. now if he had worked in bel air...
 
AG: California Will Move to Strip Jackson Doc's License

AG: California Will Move to Strip Jackson Doc's license

By Alan Duke, CNNcnnAuthor = "By Alan Duke, CNN";
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Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- The California Medical Board will start its own process to strip Dr. Conrad Murray of his medical license, state Attorney General Jerry Brown said Tuesday.

The board had asked the courts to suspend Murray's license as a condition of his bond on a charge of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Michael Jackson. But a judge this week delayed a decision on that request until June.

Brown wrote in a court filing last month that Murray's treatment of Jackson "demonstrated a serious lack of judgment that should prohibit him from practicing medicine."

He argued making the suspension a condition of his bond would "accomplish public protection quickly, efficiently and economically."
Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, who was chosen just Monday to preside over Murray's trial, decided he would not be ready to consider the medical board's request until June 14.

At a news conference in Los Angeles on Tuesday morning, Brown said the medical board will go ahead with its own investigation and proceedings to take Murray's license. Brown's department provides lawyers to represent the medical board.

Murray was charged with a single count of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death, which the coroner ruled was the result of acute propofol intoxication. Propofol is an anesthetic.

Murray has no patients in California, but he has resumed his medical practices in Houston, Texas, and Las Vegas, Nevada, defense lawyer Ed Chernoff said. Suspending his California license would trigger a domino effect, causing Texas and Nevada officials to take action, he said.

Taking away his income as a doctor would be a "death nail" in Murray's defense because he then could not afford to pay for his lawyers or expert witnesses, a spokeswoman for the defense team said.


Michael Jackson's parents, Joe and Kathryn, brothers Jermaine and Randy, and sister Janet sat just a few feet away from Murray during Monday's hearing. About a dozen members of the public, mostly Michael Jackson fans, sat behind them.

Jackson fans hissed and groaned loudly as Murray walked by them in the court hallway before the hearing, but the doctor remained stone-faced. Deputies who separated them warned the fans that they would be escorted out if there were other outbursts.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/04/06/conrad.murray.license/
 
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Re: AG: California Will Move to Strip Jackson Doc's License

That's good news.
 
Re: AG: California Will Move to Strip Jackson Doc's License

Taking away his income as a doctor would be a "death nail" in Murray's defense because he then could not afford to pay for his lawyers or expert witnesses, a spokeswoman for the defense team said.
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Not true. His legal fees are being paid by his malpractice insurance, and
I believe unnamed accomplices.
 
Re: AG: California Will Move to Strip Jackson Doc's License

Very good news, I understand making a living, but he let someone die under his care, in which he holds all responsibility for that. For the safety of others, this man's right to practice seriously needs to be reconsidered.
 
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