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Re: AG: California Will Move to Strip Jackson Doc's License

This is already posted so I will merge the threads with this as an update.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

JMie said:
Could it be that the fans' actions are beginning to get heard finally?
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I :(:(believe it is. I know I have written him on FB days and days in a row...now, he is finally doing something he should have done 8 month ago.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's DR From Practicing In CA *After Trial Update #22*

Finally things are moving.
It only makes sense to revoke his license, not impose that lame restriction in prescribing sedatives. This equals to zero. He is not an anesthesiologist and I have never heard of a cardiologist sedating people.
As for making a living...sorry but taxpayers have to pay for criminals to keep them away from society.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's DR From Practicing In CA *After Trial Update #22*

Was Michael Jackson Officially Conrad Murray's Patient?

According to Ed Chernoff, the answer would have to be "no". He is calling the restriction of Conrad Murray's license in California to be "disingenious" because Murray does 'not have an office AND HAS SEEN NO PATIENTS there."

The below article was just released on RadarOnline:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-murrays-medicine-license-called-disingenuous

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So in order to have your license taken away, you need to have a physical office in the state? With that said, then how did he obtain the California license in the first place?

And if he has treated no patients in California, what was his relationship to Michael Jackson then? It would certainly be a physician role if he was able to overrule the paramedics that arrived at the home. Does the fact that Murray and AEG never executed a contract mean that MJ is not officially a patient, even though he was treated by a licensed physician? And Murray can legally practice by going to people's homes in California as that is the loophole that ensures your license isn't taken away?

An even more curious aspect of this is the letter that Conrad Murray wrote to his patients on 6/15/09, which states that we will not be practicing medicine:


Murray was to manage his affairs from a distance but assured his patients that he would "come back"...
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

JMie said:
Could it be that the fans' actions are beginning to get heard finally?
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YES!!!!!!! I got to Jerry Brown on facebook since Cooley was not listening. Someone on the forum suggested to go to his boss which is Jerry Brown. Since then, the mass flooding of e-mail...he is listening and doing something about it.
The thing I dread, is this trail. The defense is going to try to drag Michael through the mud again. But as Rebbie hinted, there will be other surprises and other doctors who will have to speak on their professional dealings with Michael.
 
Re: Jerry Brown Files To Prevent Michael Jackson's Doctor From Practicing In California

ivy said:
Unfortunately this is because how the USA system is set up. Here we have states and each one of them has their own medical boards, certification etc. You get certified in each state and each state has to go through their own process to suspend or revoke a licence. In all cases this takes time. Also even though a patient died as of know we don't know whether it was intentional or an accident (remember he's not charged with murder so it means that they think it's not intentional).

and like I said it's good that they are filing this case but in the end of the day it doesn't matter much as Murray does not have a practice in California and it doesn't stop him from practicing in Nevada and Texas.
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Maybe we as fans should start now with with Neveda and Texas, as we all know, they all follow the leader.
 
Updated: Murray bid to have child support waived fails-could lose license

May. 07, 2010
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

By DOUG MCMURDO
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
Dr. Conrad Murray won a legal skirmish Friday when a child support hearing master denied a Clark County district attorney's office push to have his Nevada medical license suspended for failing to pay $16,000 in child support arrears.

Murray, the doctor accused of playing a role in the death of pop icon Michael Jackson in June, could dodge the license suspension if a California judge allows the mother of his child to formally waive the back payments at a hearing later this month.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/jackson-doctor-avoids-having-license-suspended-93112289.html

 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

I dont understand why these courts think it is ok for Murray to keep his license.....Michael didn't have the option to keep on breathing..now did he. Murray has killed MJ and WHY the hell he is continuing to get special treatment is beyond me. This is just disgusting.
 
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the law in the USA is strange
 
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WTF? Is this a joke? He killed someone and people are worried about Child Support???
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

Dangerous Incorporated said:
WTF? Is this a joke? He killed someone and people are worried about Child Support???
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Nevada medical board tried to suspend his licence based on a technicality (they acted quite smartly IMO). When doctors apply for a licence they fill out information such as "are you ever convicted of a crime" , "are you paying court ordered child support" etc etc.

Murray lied on this application about the child support (he said he didn't have any outstanding child support, in reality he wasn't paying child support). Nevada medical board tried to suspend his licence based on the fact that he lied on it. (so they don't really care about the child support, they were just trying to use that to suspend his licence). Apparently the court did not approve this request.

xthunderx2 said:
I dont understand why these courts think it is ok for Murray to keep his license...WHY the hell he is continuing to get special treatment is beyond me.
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Murray as a doctor is not getting any special treatment. In US it's very hard and long process to get doctor's licences revoked. The law is based on "innocent until found guilty" and Murray has not yet found guilty in a court of law.

so we have to wait and stay strong. it will happen eventually.
 
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Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

ivy said:
Nevada medical board tried to suspend his licence based on a technicality (they acted quite smartly IMO). When doctors apply for a licence they fill out information such as "are you ever convicted of a crime" , did you this, does this apply to you etc etc.

Murray lied on this application about the child support (he said he didn't have any outstanding child support, in reality he wasn't paying child support). Nevada medical board tried to suspend his licence based on the fact that he lied on it. (so they don't care about the child support, they were just trying to use that to suspend his licence). Apparently the court did not approve this request.



Murray as a doctor is not getting any special treatment. In US it's very hard and long process to get doctor's licences revoked. The law is based on "innocent until found guilty" logic and Murray has not yet found guilty in a court of law.

so we have to wait and stay strong. it will happen eventually.
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yes I understand....I just get very angry at times...it is patience that I lack....this just isn't moving fast enough for me. I live in the US and our court system is all red tape..it take forever to get from point A to point B unfortunately. Thank you for your legal advice..I have a feeling that once the trial starts...or should I say IF it starts...you will be in demand here....:)
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

xthunderx2 said:
yes I understand....I just get very angry at times...it is patience that I lack....this just isn't moving fast enough for me. I live in the US and our court system is all red tape..it take forever to get from point A to point B unfortunately. Thank you for your legal advice..I have a feeling that once the trial starts...or should I say IF it starts...you will be in demand here....:)
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thank you. and I agree with you. law is not perfect and is not working as quickly and as efficiently/ effectively it should (both in US and in other countries). From a personal standpoint I too have several issues with how the legal system works (or doesn't work) but when you separate your emotions you realize that this is the reality, this is the law and you have to wait it to run its course. :flowers:
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

ivy said:
thank you. and I agree with you. law is not perfect and is not working as quickly and as efficiently/ effectively it should (both in US and in other countries). From a personal standpoint I too have several issues with how the legal system works (or doesn't work) but when you separate your emotions you realize that this is the reality, this is the law and you have to wait it to run its course. :flowers:
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thats where I run into trouble..lol....separating my emotions...I have to work on that. But I know you are right. It takes time.
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

Dr. Conrad Murray won a legal skirmish Friday when a child support hearing master denied a prosecutor's push to suspend his Nevada medical license for failing to pay $16,000 in child support.

Murray, the doctor accused of playing a role in the death of pop icon Michael Jackson in June, could dodge the license suspension if a California judge allows the mother of his child to formally waive the back payments at a hearing later this month.

"Because the arrears are approximately $16,000, that triggers a potential professional license suspension," said Clark County Chief Deputy District Attorney Gerard Constantian.

Accompanied by five attorneys, including three from Texas who will defend him against involuntary manslaughter charges related to Jackson's overdose death, Murray remained silent during the hearing.

Chris Aaron, his Nevada child support lawyer, advised Hearing Master Elliott Yug that the doctor has made regular and full payments of $1,003 per month as ordered in November.

At that time, Nenita Malibirin agreed to waive the multiple thousands of dollars Murray owes her in back child support.

Aaron and Constantian were at odds over whether Murray has paid any arrears. Aaron told Yug that $203 of Murray's monthly payments goes to child support.
Constantian disagreed. "He has not paid one iota," he said. "His current child support obligation is $1,003."

Aaron said Murray has never been disciplined as a doctor or been accused of malpractice. He indicated Murray, a cardiologist, is working in Texas.
"He wants to work," Aaron said. "He wants to resolve this."
Exactly where Murray is working was not indicated.

In any event, a judge in Santa Clara County, California, did not accept Malibirin's waiver and set a hearing for May 27. Constantian said there is no guarantee the judge will grant the waiver. He said Murray would not be harmed if Yug moved to suspend the license prior to the California hearing.

He said it would be two weeks before the suspension became an order, and Murray would then have a month to appeal the decision.
Aaron disagreed, saying it is the policy of Texas to suspend licenses in tandem with other states, such as Nevada.

Citing judicial economy, Yug denied the request pending the May 27 hearing.

After the hearing, when asked how Murray could be expected to pay child support or arrears if his medical license was suspended, Constantian said the Legislature enacted laws to allow the suspension because it is a proven motivator.

"It could be a driver's license, a barber's license. It could be any license," Constantian said. "We don't want to harm Doctor Murray. We want to be fair to him as we would any noncustodial parent."

California is the original jurisdiction of the child support case involving a son, now 12. Constantian said Nevada became involved when Murray moved his practice to Las Vegas and the case transferred to Nevada.

Yug set another hearing for 10 a.m. June 25.
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How is it he can afford 5 lawyers (why do you need that many lawyers?) but he can't afford child support?

And the next hearing is for June 25th? 1 yr to the day that Murray killed MJ???
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

Dangerous Incorporated said:
How is it he can afford 5 lawyers (why do you need that many lawyers?) but he can't afford child support?
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there are several cases (criminal, medical malpractice, licence suspension and child support) against him. as each case is different it's likely that he will have different lawyers with different specialties. The number of the lawyers is reasonable given all the lawsuits.

as for the lawyer costs there are several possibilities
- could be pro bono - some lawyers would take high profile cases for publicity (to make a name for themselves/ example: gloria allred)
- could be medical malpractice insurance paying for some of the lawyer costs
- could be that they agree to be paid at a later time
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

ivy said:
there are several cases (criminal, medical malpractice, licence suspension and child support) against him.
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Several cases? Its child support. Criminal, medical malpractice, license suspension are all re manslaughter, not child support.
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

Dangerous Incorporated said:
Several cases? Its child support. Criminal, medical malpractice, license suspension are all re manslaughter, not child support.
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hard to understand what you mean but let me try. yes the criminal, medical malpractice, licence suspension are all because of the manslaughter charge but still they are different cases nonetheless and require different lawyers with different specialties.

for his civil medical malpractice lawsuit he has Charles Peckham
for the child support case he has Chris Aaron
for the criminal case he has J. Michael Flanagan, Ed Chernoff and Joseph Low

That's 5. It's also quite probable that he has another lawyer that deals with medical licence suspensions.

+ the article says "Accompanied by five attorneys, including three from Texas who will defend him against involuntary manslaughter charges"

so apparently his lawyers from criminal manslaughter case also attended to the child support hearing.

so he doesn't have 5 child support lawyers, his lawyers from other cases show up to the hearings.
 
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Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

ivy said:
hard to understand what you mean but let me try. yes the criminal, medical malpractice, licence suspension are all because of the manslaughter charge but still they are different cases nonetheless and require different lawyers with different specialties.

for his civil medical malpractice lawsuit he has Charles Peckham
for the child support case he has Chris Aaron
for the criminal case he has J. Michael Flanagan, Ed Chernoff and Joseph Low

That's 5. It's also quite probable that he has another lawyer that deals with medical licence suspensions.

+ the article says "Accompanied by five attorneys, including three from Texas who will defend him against involuntary manslaughter charges"

so apparently his lawyers from criminal manslaughter case also attended to the child support hearing.

so he doesn't have 5 child support lawyers, his lawyers from other cases show up to the hearings.
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I understand that he doesnt have 5 child support lawyers. What I dont understand is why those other 4 lawyers were at a child support hearing. Overkill isnt it? Unless you're worried.
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

my best guess: they argue that he needs to keep his medical licence / be able to work in order to pay for his defense in the criminal case and to pay child support, that's probably why all the lawyers were there.

and of course they are worried. if one state suspends/revokes his licence it will be much more quicker and easier for other states to do the same.
 
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Murray's next hearing is June 25th? :( I understand how frustrating it all is for everyone, I'm frustrated, but these things do take time. He will have it revoked eventually and when he does every state will revoke it. Doctors have a lot of protection under the law but we need to stay strong and patient.
 
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I understand we have to brace ourselves and be realistic at the end of the day. The law is the law and we can't change it ouselves.
But it's devastating to see how unfair it can be. Having a guilty man out there leading a normal life until he is proven guilty~and being a potential threat to other patients is equally outrageous to having an innocent man put in jail.
What about casualties in lifetime due to these delays? How does the law provide for that? What if someone else dies because of Murray while he is still free until proven guilty? What if someone rots in jail and then his innocence surfaces in a second trial?
The law being so fragmental or generic can result in severe injustice.
 
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"It could be a driver's license, a barber's license. It could be any license," Constantian said. "We don't want to harm Doctor Murray. We want to be fair to him as we would any noncustodial parent."
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So it makes no difference!!!! OMG!
We don't want to harm him. We want to be fair. That makes me more than angy. When I read this I had the wish to throw something ...
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Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

Decision on Jackson doc's license postponed
By KEN RITTER
ASSOCIATED PRESS
May 7, 2010, 8:05PM

LAS VEGAS — A court officer in Las Vegas postponed a decision Friday on whether the doctor accused of administering a fatal dose of anesthetic to pop star Michael Jackson should be allowed to keep practicing medicine in his home state of Nevada.

Dr. Conrad Murray's professional fate rests not with the Nevada state Board of Medical Examiners, but with a ruling in Clark County Family Court.

Clark County Prosecutor Gerard Costantian tried on Friday to persuade a Family Court hearing master to recommend Murray's medical license be suspended because he's almost $16,000 behind in child support to the mother of his 12-year-old son in Santa Clara County, Calif.

The hearing officer, Elliot Yug, set a June 25 hearing date in order to have the results of a May 27 court hearing in Santa Clara, where Murray's lawyer said the woman will formally waive the doctor's past child support debt.

“She's going to forgive the debt because she wants to,” attorney Charles Peckham said.

Murray, who also practiced in Houston, has kept current paying $1,003 a month since November, after appearing before a Family Court judge who expressed surprise but accepted an informal agreement that the woman would forgive his past debt if Murray began paying monthly. The judge at that time set a July 5 hearing to ensure the agreement was working.

Costantian said Friday he filed a request April 1 to go after Murray's medical license after Murray failed to produce a California court order formalizing the debt forgiveness.

Nevada law allows Family Court judges to order suspensions of medical, professional and recreational licenses for nonpayment of child support.

Murray's license to practice medicine in California has been restricted by a judge who arraigned him in February on a felony involuntary manslaughter charge in Jackson's death and allowed him to remain free on $75,000 bail pending trial. A court hearing regarding his California medical license is scheduled for June 14.

Texas medical authorities followed the California judge's order and restricted Murray, 57, a cardiologist, from administering the drug authorities say was responsible for killing Jackson.

His medical license in Nevada is unrestricted, but police and Medical Board officials have said they are aware of the California judge's order.

Jackson, 50, was about to launch a world comeback tour when he died last June after being found unresponsive with Murray at his bedside in a Beverly Hills mansion. Murray had been hired at $150,000 a month to be Jackson's personal physician. He told police he administered the anesthetic propofol to Jackson as a treatment for insomnia.

Murray's lawyers have pleaded with judges to allow Murray to continue to practice medicine so he can pay his bills, including his legal expenses and his child support obligation.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/6995658.html
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

Maria MJ said:
What about casualties in lifetime due to these delays? How does the law provide for that? What if someone else dies because of Murray while he is still free until proven guilty?
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Legally they have protected other people by putting bans on his licence - remember when the judge said that he shouldn't be using propofol and other sedatives? that's how the law provides until the decision in the case is reached.
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

sloride said:
Murray's next hearing is June 25th? :( I understand how frustrating it all is for everyone, I'm frustrated, but these things do take time. He will have it revoked eventually and when he does every state will revoke it. Doctors have a lot of protection under the law but we need to stay strong and patient.
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This person will be in L.V. .. that's the only thing that counts for me atm.
It's enough to bear that his supporters will supposedly come to LA :puke:
 
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His supporters ??????!!!!!!!!! What is this world becoming ?!
Is this a nightmare or a joke ?!
It is really " nice " how they all are worried about civil rights all of a sudden. I can not believe this.
omg...if I only could be an Iron Man for one day.....:(:(
 
Re: Jackson Doctor Avoids Having License Suspended

ivy said:
Legally they have protected other people by putting bans on his licence - remember when the judge said that he shouldn't be using propofol and other sedatives? that's how the law provides until the decision in the case is reached.
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Well he shouldnt be using Propofol anyway as he isnt an anaesthesiologist let alone with out hospital equipment.

Yes I remember that odd comment by the Judge, "You cant go around sedating people.":scratch:

Murray shouldnt be doing a lot of things because he makes many decisions wrong. I certainly wouldnt want him practicing on me. For those that do still see him, they have a death wish.
 
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