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amyzabeth said:
omg...great the AP is reporting involuntary manslaughter too? I just don't even know what to do. I just feel so hopeless. I mean come on? Seriously, this is more than just "gross negligence". Murray murdered Michael. Medical experts have been saying that the cocktail that Michael was given, BY MURRAY, it could of put down an elephant. So clearly Murray had somethin' else on his agenda. It's not just some fxckin' "accident." :no:

Also, Murray doesn't even feel guilty. He doesn't show any signs of remorse and didn't even apologize. No, instead he makes a lil' youtube vid thanking all his "supporters", whoever those people may be :smilerolleyes:. Then he goes to some church cryin his fake ass crocodile tears, and he makes sure to invite a camera crew in with him.
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You're right. This is all BS.
 
there might also be an issue of whether the patient knows that risk and decided to take it.
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sounds like B.S and considering mj cant defend himself i fail to see how that could be used as a defence like with the 93 stuff and not being able to question an paper statement
 
elusive moonwalker said:
sounds like B.S and considering mj cant defend himself i fail to see how that could be used as a defence like with the 93 stuff and not being able to question an paper statement
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They might use Cherilyn Lee, the nurse, to say that she went over the implications of using Diprivan with Michael...

Then again if what she says is true, there was another doctor reassuring Michael that this drug was safe to use. Who?
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
sounds like B.S and considering mj cant defend himself i fail to see how that could be used as a defence like with the 93 stuff and not being able to question an paper statement
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The real autopsy reports are key in all this mess. So far, and I might be already confused with so many "info" and "DES-info", the official document has not been released, hasn't it? I remember one back in... October? And that stated Mike was clear. And healthy. So? :unsure:
 
PCR said:
The real autopsy reports are key in all this mess. So far, and I might be already confused with so many "info" and "DES-info", the official document has not been released, hasn't it? I remember one back in... October? And that stated Mike was clear. And healthy. So? :unsure:
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that was the official one. Michael WAS a healthy man until Murray got a hold of him.
 
Are the afraid to associate the word MURDER with Michael Jackson's death?

We all know involuntary manslaughter is BS.
 
kasume said:
Are the afraid to associate the word MURDER with Michael Jackson's death?

We all know involuntary manslaughter is BS.
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I think they dont want to believe it was Murder. Not a doctor i mean come on people trust them.
 
MJJ7777 said:
They might use Cherilyn Lee, the nurse, to say that she went over the implications of using Diprivan with Michael...

Then again if what she says is true, there was another doctor reassuring Michael that this drug was safe to use.
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That's what bothers me. Somebody told Michael that Propofol was safe to use as long as there was a doctor to keep an eye on him. But really, on the flip side, People seem just a bit to eager to say that Michael was warned about this stuff. With so much not making sense about this whole thing, how do we know for sure if any of them are telling the truth? The only one who could possibly say anything different was Michael. And he's not around to defend himself. Why does it seem like they're only saying he had been warned about this because it ended up costing him his life? I bet we wouldn't hear a thing about Propofol if Michael was still alive.
 
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CherubimII said:
"According to police reports:
Murray found Jackson dead
in the singer's Los Angeles rental home
before administering cardiopulmonary resuscitation
and calling 911. "
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if he FOUND Michael dead where was he? He was supposed to be watching him if he was on Propofol correct? What was the "Good Doctor" doing to take him away from his patient? Oh... He was talking to one of his 3 girlfriends in another room.
 
GinnyJackson said:
I think they dont want to believe it was Murder. Not a doctor i mean come on people trust them.
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Michael Jackson was murdered.
Allow me to quote Dick Gregory:
"Doctors make the best assassins."
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I am planning to go into the medical field myself, and I will say that not all doctors should be absolutely trusted. I have friends who say they will be a doctor only because they make a lot of money and they want to be rich. So a handful of them should NOT be trusted. Trust them, my ass. It isn't like every single doctor in the world is sincere.

"...KILL for it..You will do anything for money." MJ
 
MJJ7777 said:
They might use Cherilyn Lee, the nurse, to say that she went over the implications of using Diprivan with Michael...

Then again if what she says is true, there was another doctor reassuring Michael that this drug was safe to use. Who?
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like i say mjs not here to defend himself so i cant see how murray is going down that route ontop of the fact a doctor owes his patient a duty of care regardless of what the paitents asks for. his duty went out of the window when the 150K cheque came in

anyway i dont expect any jury to have compassion for mj anyway so even if he gets charged i wont expect a conviction. he walks free as the new darling of the american media. its all so obvious
 
GinnyJackson said:
if he FOUND Michael dead where was he? He was supposed to be watching him if he was on Propofol correct? What was the "Good Doctor" doing to take him away from his patient? Oh... He was talking to one of his 3 girlfriends in another room.
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if they dont have a proper TOD (and even if they do the defence will get someone to debate it) all thats irrelvent. cant prove when mj went
 
Thanks sloride. I was thinking that there was mandatory jail time. More info from the 2 websites referenced below. My apologies if this was already posted somewhere here. I didn't read through all the posts, but I felt the need to post this as soon as I saw this.

http://www.thefederalcriminalattorneys.com/Practice_Areas/Violent_Crimes/Manslaughter.aspx
Involuntary manslaughter as defined on the website...

Involuntary manslaughter occurs in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to a felony, or in the commission in an unlawful manner, or without due caution and circumspection, of a lawful act which might produce death. For those convicted of involuntary manslaughter the punishment is fines and/or imprisonment for up to eight years.

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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_manslaughter#Involuntary_manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter
Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought. It is distinguished from voluntary manslaughter by the absence of intention. It is normally divided into two categories; constructive manslaughter and criminally negligent manslaughter.

Constructive Manslaughter
Constructive manslaughter is also referred to as ‘unlawful act’ manslaughter. It is based on the doctrine of constructive malice, whereby the malicious intent inherent in the commission of a crime is considered to apply to the consequences of that crime. It occurs when someone kills, without intent, in the course of committing an unlawful act. The malice involved in the crime is transferred to the killing, resulting in a charge of manslaughter.

Criminally Negligent Manslaughter
Criminally negligent manslaughter is variously referred to as criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales or culpable homicide in Scotland.
It occurs where death results from serious negligence, or, in some jurisdictions, serious recklessness. A high degree of negligence is required to warrant criminal liability. A related concept is that of wilful blindness, which is where a defendant intentionally puts himself in a position where he will be unaware of facts which would render him liable.
Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs where there is an omission to act when there is a duty to do so, or a failure to perform a duty owed, which leads to a death. The existence of the duty is essential because the law does not impose criminal liability for a failure to act unless a specific duty is owed to the victim. It is most common in the case of professionals who are grossly negligent in the course of their employment. An example is where a doctor fails to notice a patient's oxygen supply has disconnected and the patient dies (R v Adomako).


I'm thinking that they will go for Criminally Negligent Manslaughter, but what do I know. I'm not in the legal profession. I would hope he would get the most stiffest penalty possible. I don't care if he was a fall guy if that is the case. The fact that he was there willingly and he gave Michael all the drugs, which killed him should be the focus. Accountability....

Some interesting info regarding the state of California...
In many jurisdictions such as California, malice may be found if gross negligence amounts to wilful or depraved indifference to human life. In such a case, the wrongdoer may be guilty of second degree murder.

I'm keeping the faith that justice will be served on behalf of Michael, his children, family, friends and us (his fan). Peace and love. :angel:


sloride said:
Justice for Michael, justice for Michael. I guess we'll know in a few weeks what the DA will charge Murray with. The man needs to pay for his negligence. His negligence caused a man to die.
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elusive moonwalker said:
like i say mjs not here to defend himself so i cant see how murray is going down that route ontop of the fact a doctor owes his patient a duty of care regardless of what the paitents asks for. his duty went out of the window when the 150K cheque came in

anyway i dont expect any jury to have compassion for mj anyway so even if he gets charged i wont expect a conviction. he walks free as the new darling of the american media. its all so obvious
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I am sick just to think this might be the end of this.
I just can't understand what he (they) told MJ to make him believe this was "safe" :(
and how long he was given propofol PLUS a cocktail of drugs.
 
anyone know if the below is correct

A medical professional is NOT allowed BY LAW to administer Propofol or Any other anaesthetic without the correct training and licence (an Anaesthesiologist). He is not the latter.
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Kingofpop4ever3000 said:
That's what bothers me. Somebody told Michael that Propofol was safe to use as long as there was a doctor to keep an eye on him. But really, on the flip side, with almost if not everybody willing to say that Michael was warned about this stuff, how do we know for sure if any of them are telling the truth. The only one who could possibly say anything different was Michael. And he's not around to defend himself. Why does it seem like they're only saying he had been warned about this because it ended up costing him his life? I bet we wouldn't hear a thing about Propofol if Michael was still alive.
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Michael had a LOT of medical knowledge. He used to buy and read medical books. I simply cannot imagine that he didn't own a PDR. (Physician's Desk Reference, available to the general public. It tells all about various medications and their interactions and side-effects.) Michael was extremely intelligent. There is not a snowball's chance that he didn't know EVERYTHING about this drug already. He would have had no need to ask "Nurse Lee" about it. Her role seems to be to place the blame on Michael, and not so much on Murray. I'm not buying it.

I'm not saying here that there was or was not someone else involved. But if there WAS, now would be a very good time for Murray to warble like a song-bird.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
if they dont have a proper TOD (and even if they do the defence will get someone to debate it) all thats irrelevant. cant prove when mj went
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this is one of those times when you WISH the potions in Harry Potter were real...

Nothing like good ol' truth serum to bring out the best in people.

So Its Irrelevant when Michael died. Well since that seems to be the case then Michael could have died an hour after he got home that night.
But thats irrelevant to whats happening now. No one cares when he died just that he is. No one cares HOW he died just that hes gone. The list below is all relevant.

Time of calling 911
Being a cardiologist means he is a pro at CPR
Being a Doctor he knows whats right and whats wrong.
The Time line is exactly what they need to look at.

There are so many things that are WRONG with this and they aint looking for it. they are all a bunch of lazy ass people looking for the easy way out. And Murray will more then likely go free. But when he goes out in public and sees the fans of the man he killed boycotting his sorry ass then he will see what one man meant to millions.
 
Ops.... sorry, the info had been already posted, so I deleted mine.
Sorry!
 
GinnyJackson said:
this is one of those times when you WISH the potions in Harry Potter were real...

Nothing like good ol' truth serum to bring out the best in people.

So Its Irrelevant when Michael died. Well since that seems to be the case then Michael could have died an hour after he got home that night.
But thats irrelevant to whats happening now. No one cares when he died just that he is. No one cares HOW he died just that hes gone. The list below is all relevant.

Time of calling 911
Being a cardiologist means he is a pro at CPR
Being a Doctor he knows whats right and whats wrong.
The Time line is exactly what they need to look at.

There are so many things that are WRONG with this and they aint looking for it. they are all a bunch of lazy ass people looking for the easy way out. And Murray will more then likely go free. But when he goes out in public and sees the fans of the man he killed boycotting his sorry ass then he will see what one man meant to millions.
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Hopefully they have the timeline established by now. I also find the timeline to be very important.

Relying on contradictory accounts from everyone who was there that day is really not helping anyone.
 
this is Michael we are talking about here. I mean he was less then sane correct. He didn't know what he was asking for and sure the doctor gave it to him because he was getting paid to do in a major celeb. Well Its just one less celeb in CA that the police have to worry a bout.

IM PISSED OFF!!!

Sarcasm is lost on the net if you believe any of this bull ish im shovelin.
 
coltzishory said:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...l-team-for-expected-manslaughter-charges.html
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Criminal Attorney Added to Legal Team for Michael Jackson's Former Physician

January 8, 2010 |
Michael Jackson’s former personal physician has hired a Los Angeles criminal defense attorney to help his legal team combat a potential manslaughter prosecution in the pop icon’s fatal overdose last summer.

Dr. Conrad Murray hired Glendale attorney J. Michael Flanagan on Tuesday, the physician’s lead lawyer, Ed Chernoff, confirmed.
The lawyer previously won a manslaughter acquittal for a nurse tried in what is believed to be the only other L.A. criminal case involving propofol, the powerful sedative blamed in Jackson’s death.

Sources have told The Times for several months that Murray is expected to face involuntary manslaughter charges. The Associated Press, citing an unnamed source, reported today that prosecutors will seek an indictment against Murray for involuntary manslaughter.

Law enforcement officials have identified Murray as the target of a manslaughter investigation in search warrants filed in court in the months after Jackson’s death, but a spokeswoman for the district attorney said today that no decision had been made in Murray’s case.


“We have not been formally presented with the case by the LAPD yet.... We do not have a pending case,” spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said. Murray’s lawyers said that if prosecutors had convened a grand jury, they had not notified them or invited the doctor to testify. Flanagan, Murray’s new attorney, said the discussion of an involuntary manslaughter charge was not surprising.

“That is the only thing they could charge him with, but it doesn’t mean that a grand jury would indict him,” said Flanagan. In 2004, the district attorney’s office prosecuted two Burbank nurses for involuntary manslaughter for administering the anesthetic to a cancer patient without authorization of an anesthesiologist.
The patient died. One nurse pleaded no contest to a lesser charge. The other, represented by Flanagan, was acquitted.
-- Harriet Ryan

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...l-team-for-expected-manslaughter-charges.html
 
From Dr. Firpo Carr

According to legal experts, though Murray may in fact be guilty of murder (at least to the second degree), it may be easier for the District Attorney's office to charge him with manslaughter. It's easier to prove.
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I say they take the plunge and go for murder. If it fails, at least we're aiming at the truth! THE TRUTH is the most important thing. Manslaughter IS NOT the truth!!!
 
elusive moonwalker said:
anyone know if the below is correct

A medical professional is NOT allowed BY LAW to administer Propofol or Any other anaesthetic without the correct training and licence (an Anaesthesiologist). He is not the latter.
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as far as I know nurses etc can administer anaesthetic with authorization of an anesthesiologist.
 
I concur with you on this Victoria83. It seems that everyone involved had a role to play. If Murray and anyone else involved walk away without paying the consequences, then I 'm not sure what will happen within Michael's fan community. I don't think that we will accept that outcome without a fight...:mat: That is one thing I am sure of.

Victoria83 said:
Michael had a LOT of medical knowledge. He used to buy and read medical books. I simply cannot imagine that he didn't own a PDR. (Physician's Desk Reference, available to the general public. It tells all about various medications and their interactions and side-effects.) Michael was extremely intelligent. There is not a snowball's chance that he didn't know EVERYTHING about this drug already. He would have had no need to ask "Nurse Lee" about it. Her role seems to be to place the blame on Michael, and not so much on Murray. I'm not buying it.

I'm not saying here that there was or was not someone else involved. But if there WAS, now would be a very good time for Murray to warble like a song-bird.
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kasume said:
From Dr. Firpo Carr



I say they take the plunge and go for murder. If it fails, at least we're aiming at the truth! THE TRUTH is the most important thing. Manslaughter IS NOT the truth!!!
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I agree. I mean why are they doing the "easy thing" I want the truth, which is murder.
 
CherubimII said:
Criminal Attorney Added to Legal Team for Michael Jackson's Former Physician

January 8, 2010 |
Michael Jackson’s former personal physician has hired a Los Angeles criminal defense attorney to help his legal team combat a potential manslaughter prosecution in the pop icon’s fatal overdose last summer.

Dr. Conrad Murray hired Glendale attorney J. Michael Flanagan on Tuesday, the physician’s lead lawyer, Ed Chernoff, confirmed.
The lawyer previously won a manslaughter acquittal for a nurse tried in what is believed to be the only other L.A. criminal case involving propofol, the powerful sedative blamed in Jackson’s death.

Sources have told The Times for several months that Murray is expected to face involuntary manslaughter charges. The Associated Press, citing an unnamed source, reported today that prosecutors will seek an indictment against Murray for involuntary manslaughter.

Law enforcement officials have identified Murray as the target of a manslaughter investigation in search warrants filed in court in the months after Jackson’s death, but a spokeswoman for the district attorney said today that no decision had been made in Murray’s case.


“We have not been formally presented with the case by the LAPD yet.... We do not have a pending case,” spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said. Murray’s lawyers said that if prosecutors had convened a grand jury, they had not notified them or invited the doctor to testify. Flanagan, Murray’s new attorney, said the discussion of an involuntary manslaughter charge was not surprising.

“That is the only thing they could charge him with, but it doesn’t mean that a grand jury would indict him,” said Flanagan. In 2004, the district attorney’s office prosecuted two Burbank nurses for involuntary manslaughter for administering the anesthetic to a cancer patient without authorization of an anesthesiologist.
The patient died. One nurse pleaded no contest to a lesser charge. The other, represented by Flanagan, was acquitted.
-- Harriet Ryan

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...l-team-for-expected-manslaughter-charges.html
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I didn't even read the whole thing. Just that Murray is hiring more lawyers and once again feeling no remorse is sdhfsdhfskl I'm fuming right now!!! ughh I hate Murray I hate him soo much hffash :mat:
 
firpo is a media whore according to geragos murder is actually easier to prove than IM. u cahrge with murder 2 and give the option for IM
 
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