Sorry to sound ignorant, but when people refer to the Cascio tracks, do they mean tracks produced by them or written/performed by them?
People are meaning the tacks that MJ (?) recorded in the Cascio's basement studio in 2007 while he was in their house for four months.
I wonder why no one ever took Michael's own words into consideration regarding these three recordings. He always said he was working on new music, during his years of being inactive, he also said he wasn't ready for any of that music to be released or to bring himself back into the spotlight, in terms of performing. Maybe this is why, I feel he was working on music, but he just wasn't himself yet, he still had to get over what was done to him in the previous years. It took a toll on him, mentally and physically, I'm confident this is Michael, but Michael at say 65-70%, listening to the recordings compared to Shout, WMCIG, We've Had Enough, and even Invincible, he sounds uninterested. Funny people can say they hear Michael in these records, but that he's not all the way there, also funny how no one took his physical state at the time into consideration.
The Cascio's songs are not finished products. They are not ready to be released by a professional, let alone Michael Jackson. Heck, his 70's songs are better recorded than the Cascio's tracks. Even Michael doesn't sound like himself. No wonderful vocals or adlibs are there. He sounds like an average singer, and we know he ain't.
DYKWYCA and Slave to the Rythym to be honest are only hot to the fan base. This is why Monster was released instead. Those tracks are decent. Not what you call HOT
No matter whats released sales will be 225,000 to 300,000 in the USA
Even in 2001 Invincible sold 335,000 1st week in the US. Thats the range or a little under
^ I prefer Michael Jackson singing about the horrors of child abuse over Jason Malachi singing about 'mamma say mamma got you in a zigzag'. But maybe that's just me...
Oh wow... not only are you going against what my ears tell me, but the trend in modern pop and even hip hop as of roughly 2007 has been a steady trend to more of a dance based mixed-genre. Do You Know Where Your Children are doesn't fall into this category as such, but you're in major denial to say that Monster is a better song then Slave to the Rhythm as it slots beautifully in this category. It's an upbeat song that showcases the real Michael Jackson singing at his best. I was beyond happiness when I realized I could remove Breaking News and the other two Cascio demos and burn myself a copy of the album with 3 leaked legitimate songs.
There would be more reasons as to why it wasn't included on the album instead of Monster. The biggest of which I can think of on the top of my head is this: Sony wouldn't want to exhaust all the best material in the first release. Mark my words that they give us a new release every 2 years for the foreseeable future, which EVERY major label would do and they would prefer to give us a couple (1 or 2) GREAT songs and have fillers to make up the bulk of the album.
I for one would have loved Sony/The Estate to really put their weight behind ONE major release. I don't care how long they took to put it together but make it a proper tribute to our idol.
I'm sure if the intention of releasing such an album may even sway the likes of Will.I.Am to change his stance on a posthumous release. Releasing albums with maybe a dash of brilliance in a sea of mediocrity will only work to turn off fans, and dilute Michael's genius which WILL be noticed by the next generation.
As much as people love as much Michael Jackson as they can get, would you prefer 20 average, half arsed albums with a sprinkling of genius... or ONE proper album, dedicated in being as close to a real Michael Jackson album as possible? - as if he were here putting it together.
They could have taken the input of many more people connected to Michael over the years. Include members of his family to give ideas, let his kids be heard on what they think - invite producers Michael has worked with and others that haven't but are well respected to listen and give their views on the music. Your response may be that this process will be long winded and many ideas will conflict with each other HOWEVER, they will be able to get a better understanding of a broader view of the album and show a higher level of care in delivering something worthy of a proper release.
Anyway, i'm waffling but you get the general idea. Thanks.
Oh wow... not only are you going against what my ears tell me, but the trend in modern pop and even hip hop as of roughly 2007 has been a steady trend to more of a dance based mixed-genre. Do You Know Where Your Children are doesn't fall into this category as such, but you're in major denial to say that Monster is a better song then Slave to the Rhythm as it slots beautifully in this category. It's an upbeat song that showcases the real Michael Jackson singing at his best. I was beyond happiness when I realized I could remove Breaking News and the other two Cascio demos and burn myself a copy of the album with 3 leaked legitimate songs.
There would be more reasons as to why it wasn't included on the album instead of Monster. The biggest of which I can think of on the top of my head is this: Sony wouldn't want to exhaust all the best material in the first release. Mark my words that they give us a new release every 2 years for the foreseeable future, which EVERY major label would do and they would prefer to give us a couple (1 or 2) GREAT songs and have fillers to make up the bulk of the album.
I for one would have loved Sony/The Estate to really put their weight behind ONE major release. I don't care how long they took to put it together but make it a proper tribute to our idol.
I'm sure if the intention of releasing such an album may even sway the likes of Will.I.Am to change his stance on a posthumous release. Releasing albums with maybe a dash of brilliance in a sea of mediocrity will only work to turn off fans, and dilute Michael's genius which WILL be noticed by the next generation.
As much as people love as much Michael Jackson as they can get, would you prefer 20 average, half arsed albums with a sprinkling of genius... or ONE proper album, dedicated in being as close to a real Michael Jackson album as possible? - as if he were here putting it together.
They could have taken the input of many more people connected to Michael over the years. Include members of his family to give ideas, let his kids be heard on what they think - invite producers Michael has worked with and others that haven't but are well respected to listen and give their views on the music. Your response may be that this process will be long winded and many ideas will conflict with each other HOWEVER, they will be able to get a better understanding of a broader view of the album and show a higher level of care in delivering something worthy of a proper release.
Anyway, i'm waffling but you get the general idea. Thanks.
....... while he was alive I bet he is now ok with it.
this album release helps many million fans with their grief and pain because Michael is not with us anymore.
Michael knows how we all suffer. Therefore I am sure he would aprove this release. The fans need something to hold on.
Ne-Yo, Will.I.am and probably some more speak out against the release, but have they ever thought about it this way?
Apart from the fact that this album is about to make money for some people it is a gift and comfort to so many other people on this planet.
:wub:
L.O.V.E.
....... while he was alive I bet he is now ok with it.
this album release helps many million fans with their grief and pain because Michael is not with us anymore.
Michael knows how we all suffer. Therefore I am sure he would aprove this release. The fans need something to hold on.
Ne-Yo, Will.I.am and probably some more speak out against the release, but have they ever thought about it this way?
Apart from the fact that this album is about to make money for some people it is a gift and comfort to so many other people on this planet.
:wub:
L.O.V.E.
i agree:yes::yes::yes:....... while he was alive I bet he is now ok with it.
this album release helps many million fans with their grief and pain because Michael is not with us anymore.
Michael knows how we all suffer. Therefore I am sure he would aprove this release. The fans need something to hold on.
Ne-Yo, Will.I.am and probably some more speak out against the release, but have they ever thought about it this way?
Apart from the fact that this album is about to make money for some people it is a gift and comfort to so many other people on this planet.
:wub:
L.O.V.E.
The thing I dont get is, How can people say Michael would have NEVER want this album released? Are they in him? Do they have some spirit connection with him and he told them that he wasnt happy about the album? Lets get real here. We know if Neyo or Will were on the album, they would've said, "IT's the best Album yet"...or something like that. We seem to "know" what Michael wants but yet, we aint doing right by him!!!
L.o.v.e.
Romi
....... while he was alive I bet he is now ok with it.
this album release helps many million fans with their grief and pain because Michael is not with us anymore.
Michael knows how we all suffer. Therefore I am sure he would aprove this release. The fans need something to hold on.
Ne-Yo, Will.I.am and probably some more speak out against the release, but have they ever thought about it this way?
Apart from the fact that this album is about to make money for some people it is a gift and comfort to so many other people on this planet.
:wub:
L.O.V.E.
The thing I dont get is, How can people say Michael would have NEVER want this album released? Are they in him? Do they have some spirit connection with him and he told them that he wasnt happy about the album? Lets get real here. We know if Neyo or Will were on the album, they would've said, "IT's the best Album yet"...or something like that. We seem to "know" what Michael wants but yet, we aint doing right by him!!!
....... while he was alive I bet he is now ok with it.
this album release helps many million fans with their grief and pain because Michael is not with us anymore.
Michael knows how we all suffer. Therefore I am sure he would aprove this release. The fans need something to hold on.
Ne-Yo, Will.I.am and probably some more speak out against the release, but have they ever thought about it this way?
Apart from the fact that this album is about to make money for some people it is a gift and comfort to so many other people on this planet.
:wub:
L.O.V.E.
The thing I dont get is, How can people say Michael would have NEVER want this album released? Are they in him? Do they have some spirit connection with him and he told them that he wasnt happy about the album? Lets get real here. We know if Neyo or Will were on the album, they would've said, "IT's the best Album yet"...or something like that. We seem to "know" what Michael wants but yet, we aint doing right by him!!!
L.o.v.e.
Romi
The only thing we can all be 100% sure that Michael wanted was for his children to be looked after financially as well as physically therefore as he was not a stupid man we can also sure he knew that it would mean releasing the music he left behind in order to pay off the debts and secure their financial future. It stands to reason that it will not be the way he may have released it had he lived but the songs were left for the benefit of his children (not us) and everyone needs to do the best they can with the songs left.
I also feel that if the songs were not meant for release they would either of been destroyed or he would have left instructions forbidding the release but there would have been no way of adequately providing for the childrens future there are only so many times people will buy rereleases of old songs they already have.