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Michael - The Great Album Debate

pushukrystian said:
I just don't understand Taryll. Why he never mentioned that bridge in HT is fake and why he decided to take part in it? I am sure he knew that there is a bridge written by MJ. So for me Taryll is absolutely not reliable source. He can do anything for money. What was the problem to say : "sorry Teddy but I don't want be involved in HT if you don't give me my uncle real bridge for spoken part"???
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Michael never recorded a bridge for HT. It was written but not recorded, which is why Taryll filled it in. Check your facts.
 
KingMikeJ said:
Probably "burn2nite"
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Actually it's most likely me... I leave my laptop on all night because I fall asleep watching stuff. Sorry if anyone was scared by the spirit of the debate :p Though there are often people I can't see as well, so burn2nite, Calisto and several other spies/lurkers are probably invisible as well.
 
Jesta said:
Damn.
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Yep, and it was used during Barbara Walters interview with Guy Laliberte last night in front of an audience of millions. Clearly they do not care about the concerns of fans any more. I think we now need to start a large scale boycott of all products authorised by the Estate until a full and thorough investigation into this matter is conducted and this entire mess is sorted one way or the other.
 
StellaJackson said:
Yep, and it was used during Barbara Walters interview with Guy Laliberte last night in front of an audience of millions. Clearly they do not care about the concerns of fans any more. I think we now need to start a large scale boycott of all products authorised by the Estate until a full and thorough investigation into this matter is conducted and this entire mess is sorted one way or the other.
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Though that footage looks like it was a rehearsal... Surely that footage dates back to when the fan representatives saw the show, surely?
 
Jesta said:
Though that footage looks like it was a rehearsal... Surely that footage dates back to when the fan representatives saw the show, surely?
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The footage is yes, but the fact is that they still included the song in the interview.
 
StellaJackson said:
The footage is yes, but the fact is that they still included the song in the interview.
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Exactly. Imagine people who haven't heard about the shows but know about the controversy, they'll be put off! It's false-advertising, and in the bad way!!!!!
 
Maybe just maybe the footage editors didnt know that Monster is a controversial posthumous Michael Jackson demo track. If they didnt know, who can blame them for including it?
 
StellaJackson said:
Michael never recorded a bridge for HT. It was written but not recorded, which is why Taryll filled it in. Check your facts.
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actually it seems like you should check your reading

Originally Posted by pushukrystian
I just don't understand Taryll. Why he never mentioned that bridge in HT is fake and why he decided to take part in it? I am sure he knew that there is a bridge written by MJ. So for me Taryll is absolutely not reliable source. He can do anything for money. What was the problem to say : "sorry Teddy but I don't want be involved in HT if you don't give me my uncle real bridge for spoken part"???
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pushukrystian says that Michael wrote a bridge for HT but that wasn't what Taryll read for the spoken part. pushukrystian states that Taryll shouldn't have read the "fake bridge" (which is written by Teddy Riley) and push for the bridge written by Michael being recorded.
 
pushukrystian said:
I just don't understand Taryll. Why he never mentioned that bridge in HT is fake and why he decided to take part in it? I am sure he knew that there is a bridge written by MJ. So for me Taryll is absolutely not reliable source. He can do anything for money. What was the problem to say : "sorry Teddy but I don't want be involved in HT if you don't give me my uncle real bridge for spoken part"???
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StellaJackson said:
Michael never recorded a bridge for HT. It was written but not recorded, which is why Taryll filled it in. Check your facts.
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You didn't read carefully what I wrote so don't know what You mean. For me Taryll is absolutely unreliable source when he is talking about Teddy, because they both FAKE spoken bridge in HT. They had real bridge written by MJ , but Teddy decided to replace it with his own and Taryll decided to spoke it. For me these two guys play in the same league, and they will do anything for money.
 
Im sorry, but I believe 95% that Jason Malachi didnt sing on the cascio songs. As ivy has stated 100s of times. The Cascio singer has a "lesser" technique.
 
Blaming the "technique"... So sad.


Anyway, that footage must be from the rehearsal, yes. Disgusting.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
Im sorry, but I believe 95% that Jason Malachi didnt sing on the cascio songs. As ivy has stated 100s of times. The Cascio singer has a "lesser" technique.
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I am sorry, but Ivy hasn't heard Water and some other leaks that are awfully sung out of tune and with an extremely weak voice. A voice with absolute lack of power, grit/husk, Michael's timbre, ... And the thing is, it's the same voice as in Monster, KYHU and Breaking News, which has been a bit more Michaeled up.

So talking about 95%... I wonder 95% of what?
 
I don't know how people can be ok with saying they think they hear 95% of MJ? On an MJ album! No kidding. When I listen to Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad, and all other MJs albumls I know for sure it is 100% Michael's voice! Leaving a doubt of even 5% that there is a possibility that it's someone else is just plain wrong!

Other songs such as BG, STTR and DYKWYCA leaked and when I klisten to them, it's not with an approach of 95%, but 100%. So, why should we consider 95% to be ok? I am sorry, Be it 99% 95%, 50%, 2%, or 0,1%. There is still a doubt. Even if some say they hear 99% of MJ, it's wrong.

I of course exclude other artists involved. I am purely talking about lead vocals supposed to be MJ.
 
Pentum said:
If someone hears MJ 95%, they don't know MJ's voice.
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When people hear other leaks they realize how they were tricked and fooled. Those who have heard the leaks and continue to stick to their opinion just for the principle not to contradict themselves even if they hear clearly that it is not MJ's voice, then it's neither the Estate nor SONY any more, but the listeneres themselves who are fooling themselves and self-persuade they hear MJ.
 
pushukrystian said:
You didn't read carefully what I wrote so don't know what You mean. For me Taryll is absolutely unreliable source when he is talking about Teddy, because they both FAKE spoken bridge in HT. They had real bridge written by MJ , but Teddy decided to replace it with his own and Taryll decided to spoke it. For me these two guys play in the same league, and they will do anything for money.
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How do you know that Taryll was even aware of the original bridge that Michael had written? Unless he happened to see what Michael had written then he wouldn't even know. And I would trust Taryll and his genuine concerns and informative statements regarding the songs than Teddy Riley and his "Michael is alive" rants any day.
 
Billyjeanplxiv said:
Im sorry, but I believe 95% that Jason Malachi didnt sing on the cascio songs. As ivy has stated 100s of times. The Cascio singer has a "lesser" technique.
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So you've heard Water, Fall In Love, Ready 2 Win etc? The technique on those songs is no where near Michael's level and is clearly the technique of Jason. Ivy hasn't heard those tracks, so her opinion is not fully informed. And all this totally ignores the fact that the vocal technique on the Cascio tracks is not up to Michael's standard anyway.
 
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Pentum said:
Blaming the "technique"... So sad.
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what is "sad" about it? Most professionals would look to the technique as the basis of comparison.

Aren't you the ones that reference Michael's husk, grit etc - hence his technique? why it bothers you someone reference Jason's technique?

also don't you find it a double standard that you all tend to argue that Michael cannot be bad than his normal self but Jason suddenly became better than his normal self?

@steallajackson

don't you get bored of writing the same thing over and over again?
 
When people hear other Cascio leaks they'll clearly hear that even some of Jason's songs are better than the Cascio's forgeries. And that's sad.
 
ivy said:
what is "sad" about it? Most professionals would look to the technique as the basis of comparison.

Aren't you the ones that reference Michael's husk, grit etc - hence his technique? why it bothers you someone reference Jason's technique?

also don't you find it a double standard that you all tend to argue that Michael cannot be bad than his normal self but Jason suddenly became better than his normal self?

@steallajackson

don't you get bored of writing the same thing over and over again?
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Again, you haven't heard all the songs, you don't know what technique is used in them. And how do you know this supposedly different technique, a theory which pretty much no one else subscribes to, isn't the result of the same magic processing that, according to you, changed Michael's accent, pronounciation and vibrato and made him do the exact same snorts as JC? And I'm not even go to respond to your attempt at picking a fight. I think your a bit of a bully to be honest.
 
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StellaJackson said:
So you've heard Water, Fall In Love, Ready 2 Win etc? The technique on those songs is no where near Michael's level and is clearly the technique of Jason. Ivy hasn't heard those tracks, so her opinion is not fully informed. And all this totally ignores the fact that the vocal technique on the Cascio tracks is not up to Michael's standard anyway.
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No, i HAVE NOT heared Water, Fall in love, and Ready 2 Win. If anyone would like to be kind enough to give me a link to listen to them. id be happy to listen and give my personal feedback.

As for the 95% thing...lol typo. I meant to say:

"I believe (in my mind) that i am 95% sure that Jason Malachi isnt the singer on the cascio tracks. (imo)"
the 5% unsurity, is that you have all that goat vibrato....and the snorts.
 
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StellaJackson said:
Again, you haven't heard all the songs, you don't know what technique is used in them. And how do you know this supposedly different technique, a theory which pretty much no one else subscribes to, isn't the result of the same magic processing that, according to you, changed Michael's accent, pronounciation and vibrato and made him do the exact same snorts as JC? And I'm not even go to respond to your attempt at picking a fight. I think your a bit of a bully to be honest.
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honestly why do you have to jump to answer my post to pentum ?

and it wasn't a fight or being a bully. I simply think that you always write the same thing over and over again. (pay attention to the word "again" - there you go bingo) It's no different than you thinking I'm writing stuff without listening all the songs. So why aren't you trying to pick a fight and a bully when you write stuff about me and I'm suddenly the devil? stop with the victim card, will you?

and it's highly amusing when people can write "ivy this and ivy that" over and over and whenever I first write something about them they turn into cry babies.
 
Pentum said:
http://soundcloud.com/pentum/mj-vs-jm
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You know, I've always felt that the MJ VS Jason/Cascio comparisons were much more effective than the Jason VS Jason/Cascio comparisons...Just goes to show the vast DIFFERENCE between a legendary and an amateur voice...

People may deny all they want the similarity comparisons, but it's much more difficult to deny that massive difference we hear between MJ's authentic voice and the Cascio voice...Which is another reason why to this day people have not been able to find any comparisons between MJ's voice and Cascio voice...
 
About the 'technique'....

When I hear that word I think of singers who study or sort of study on how to sing. They pay a lot of attention on how they sing. And somehow I never got that impression with Michael.
Of course he had his technique, but it's like he didn't really think about it. His technique came naturally or something.
And when I hear Jason, I hear someone who has to go through a lot of effort to sound a certain way.

But yes, they both got their own techniques, of course...but like I said, I don't think Michael really thought too much about that.

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And I'm also on invisible mode and lurk a lot on here, so if you see 4 people online and there are only 3 names, it could be me also...:D
 
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