MJ Estate Sues Howard Mann and business partner Henry Vaccaro - Settlement reached

[xthunderx2]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

thank you folks for these updates....wiki reference on a legal document...:lmao:....unbelievable.

 

[twinklEE]

Thanks Ivy. That's the way I always understood it also.

I mean, if I buy a dress once worn by Marilyn Monroe, that does mean because of that sale I also own Marilyn's intellectual property and copyrights. That's absurd!

I'm very glad to see that the Estate of Michael Jackson is being very specific as to what they are claiming. Unlike Mann, who is going for personal attacks, instead of facts.

Typical action coming from a con man, in my opinion, i.e. "I don't have a leg to stand on, so let me just attack my enemy."

So very true, agree completely

Lord have mercy! Not only is that HILARIOUS. It's also VERY EMBARRASSING!

Is Mann's attorney related to Brian Oxman. LOL!

LOL! It's indeed embarrasing maybe their attorney graduated from the Holy School of Porn like Mann himself, hence the incompetence

a funny quote by the Estate's lawyer :

"Defendants argue that Plaintiffs’ first, second and third copyright claims are
barred by the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act (“OCILLA&#8221,
17 U.S.C. § 512, part of the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA&#8221.
Their discussion begins with a curious quote, without citation to any source,
purporting to establish that OCILLA can shield them “for their own acts of direct
copyright infringement.” (Motion at 7.) As discussed below, this is not the law, which
is not surprising given that Defendants’ authority appears to be Wikipedia." (16)


(16) Defendants did not reveal their source, so Plaintiffs’ counsel typed a portion of the
quoted text into a Google search and was directed to Wikipedia, where the entire
quote is found.

Straight up embarrassing. Anyone knows to
#1 include sources
and that
#2 Wikipedia is not considered a reliable ' source', you just can't cite Wikipedia and hope to be taken seriously, a big NO.

When I was reading the documents this morning , I laughed to the Wikipedia comment.Can you imagine using it in a legal document? Just too funny.



Remember the quote from Weitzman when Mann first released "Opis none" or when Mann said he had 170 songs or so. Weitzman said he can listen to them at his home but he can't release them. And that's their main point here, they basically say "so okay let's say that you own those items, you can look to MJ photos all you want, you can wear his jackets, you can play the tapes but you don't own the copyrights , image and likeliness. You cannot make money on those without my permission as I own those intellectual rights".

True, he said it in the beginning yet the porn fella thought he'd be able to outsmart lawyers handling an Estate as big as Michael's SMDH @ stupidity.

Continue to fight the rats, leeches and frauds Estate!

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Straight up embarrassing. Anyone knows to
#1 include quotes
and that
#2 Wikipedia is not considered a reliable ' source'

Mann must be paying his legal team with "copies" of Katherine Jackson's coffee-table book. LOL! (I have a feeling there are many, many copies just laying around.)

If not, he should ask for a refund.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Zia F. Modabber is the lawyer for the estate and is specialized in copyrights infringments and trademarks

Very smart lawyer, and I am proud of the Estate. Isn't it funny that the points the Estate made, we discussed before and Mann's attorney did not even know this? I guess Oxman has a cousin.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Zia F. Modabber he was Michael's lawyer for years

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann: Summary of Updates pg23

Let's do another round of updates about the case (thanks to marc_vivien)

- As we mentioned before as expected (quite normal) Mann's lawyers has asked for a dismissal mainly claiming the previous lawsuit that Michael abandoned. Their dismissal request included personal attacks towards executors as well.

- Yesterday lawyers for MJ Estate has filed documents against Mann's dismissal request. Here are the main points that they make

---- They say that 2004 lawsuit was dismissed due to period of inactivity from MJ and with the reason of "failure to prosecute". As that lawsuit never went to trial and as no decision whatsoever made in that case it cannot be limiting today's case.
---- They argue that the 2004 defendants and today's defendants are different.
---- Estate lawyers argue that the new lawsuit is focused about the events happened in 2009 -2010 (such as copyright claim of TII - 2009/2010, issues with KJ's book - 2010, new website - 2010, release of opis none - 2010). They say as the lawsuit covers this new events it's a different lawsuit than the 2004 one.

---- Estate lawyers state that Michael's image from TII was used in the website background therefore not added by a user.
---- Estate lawyers argue that Mann didn't have any copyright rights on Destiny (also known as Opis None) whatsoever.
---- Estate lawyers state when people see "smooth criminal lean" it automatically reminds them of MJ and therefore whether he created the move or not is irrelevant.
---- As for the 5 MJ drawings, Estate lawyers state that Michael is the "author" and therefore the copyright owner. They state Brett Livingstone Strong wasn't in a position to authorize MJ's copyright.

---- Furthermore Estate lawyers state that the bankruptcy case that Vaccaro got this items from didn't include Michael and the judge in that case openly stated that Vaccaro can only get items from Katherine, Joe, Jermaine and Tito.
---- Estate lawyers is asking the court to establish that although Mann can own some items, he doesn't own the copyrights to them. He just owns the physical items.

(Estate's point is quite simple in this one. They say even if the court decides that Mann/Vacarro owns MJ related items, they want court to establish that they only own the physical items and not the intellectual property and copyrights. They state that intellectual rights are separate than material objects).

Thanks for updates!


Let's see what will be the end of it..... :fear: :timer:

 

[JMie]

Howard Mann Accuses MJ Executors of ‘Stealing’ The Estate
Katherine Jackson’s business partner, Howard Mann — is once again throwing unfounded accusations at the executors of Michael Jackson’s Estate. This time accusing John Branca of “embezzling millions” from MJ in 2001. In a statement sent to MJNA he also accuses Branca, with the help of Howard Weitzman of “using their influence to steal the Estate from MJ’s family.”

The statement came to us in response to a set of questions Howard Mann agreed to answer. We took a great deal of time preparing questions that cover everything from his gambling and pornography career to his apparent exploitation of Michael’s children.
One question he did address was You obviously know Katherine Jackson’s situation better than most, is she really be ill-treated by The Estate? Mann tells us “The only people in the world today who profit from the Estate of Michael Jackson are the trustees and the lawyers they hire to litigate. Last year, the Estate actually spent nearly $11,000,000 in litigation’s but could only find it in their hearts to give Katherine $160,000 (less then 1% of what they have stolen.)”
The fact of the matter is, Michael had years to alter his will — he could of cut Branca from being an executor, but, he didn’t.
Howard Mann then goes on to say “I will stop putting out MJ items tomorrow if they step down and turn the estate over to his mother and children, until then I am trying to earn them some money and some financial Independence.”

http://home.mjnewsalerts.com/2011/03/26/howard-mann-accuses-mj-executors-of-‘stealing’-the-estate/

 

[xthunderx2]

Howard Mann Accuses MJ Executors of ‘Stealing’ The Estate
Katherine Jackson’s business partner, Howard Mann — is once again throwing unfounded accusations at the executors of Michael Jackson’s Estate. This time accusing John Branca of “embezzling millions” from MJ in 2001. In a statement sent to MJNA he also accuses Branca, with the help of Howard Weitzman of “using their influence to steal the Estate from MJ’s family.”

The statement came to us in response to a set of questions Howard Mann agreed to answer. We took a great deal of time preparing questions that cover everything from his gambling and pornography career to his apparent exploitation of Michael’s children.
One question he did address was You obviously know Katherine Jackson’s situation better than most, is she really be ill-treated by The Estate? Mann tells us “The only people in the world today who profit from the Estate of Michael Jackson are the trustees and the lawyers they hire to litigate. Last year, the Estate actually spent nearly $11,000,000 in litigation’s but could only find it in their hearts to give Katherine $160,000 (less then 1% of what they have stolen.)”
The fact of the matter is, Michael had years to alter his will — he could of cut Branca from being an executor, but, he didn’t.
Howard Mann then goes on to say “I will stop putting out MJ items tomorrow if they step down and turn the estate over to his mother and children, until then I am trying to earn them some money and some financial Independence.”

http://home.mjnewsalerts.com/2011/03/26/howard-mann-accuses-mj-executors-of-‘stealing’-the-estate/

wow..the guy is a scum...he acts like he cares about Katherine and the children..his problem is ..he is mad at the estate because they are stopping him from making money off the name Michael Jackson and he doesn't like that. I wish Katherine could see through his trash.

 

[Graf]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

wow..the guy is a scum...he acts like he cares about Katherine and the children..his problem is ..he is mad at the estate because they are stopping him from making money off the name Michael Jackson and he doesn't like that. I wish Katherine could see through his trash.

Yeah he is scum...but the thing is, Katherine is responsible for letting him in...It's almost like seeing a Mosquito outside and then going to the door and letting it in..That's was Katherine's choice..also didn't Katherine once say the Estate was "greedy?" She seems to be just as against the estate as this scum bag..She thinks she deserves more than she gets, and since she doesn't, she pairs up with this guy to go behind the back of the Estate to make more..Then when the estate tries to put a stop to it, they go "Oh the estate is so evil, it should belong in total control under Katherine and the kids!" ..They act like Katherine gets nothing, but she gets more than enough, she just wants more so she can take care of other people who refuse to take care of themselves..

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Yeah he is scum...but the thing is, Katherine is responsible for letting him in...It's almost like seeing a Mosquito outside and then going to the door and letting it in..That's was Katherine's choice..also didn't Katherine once say the Estate was "greedy?" She seems to be just as against the estate as this scum bag..She thinks she deserves more than she gets, and since she doesn't, she pairs up with this guy to go behind the back of the Estate to make more..Then when the estate tries to put a stop to it, they go "Oh the estate is so evil, it should belong in total control under Katherine and the kids!" ..They act like Katherine gets nothing, but she gets more than enough, she just wants more so she can take care of other people who refuse to take care of themselves..

yup...:clapping::clapping:

 

[JMie]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

the more I read about this guy and his statements, the more I can't believe this is actually happening. this guy is ridiculous, I can't believe he has access to Michael's belongings and what's more important, he has access to his kids! and he behaves like he's totally entitled to all that. who does he think he is? I hope the estate will deal with him and he will disappear from MJ universe asap once and for all.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Is Mann serious? Cause reading that stuff from mjnewsalert just had me cracking up.

Katherine Jackson in charge of Michael's estate?? Laugh Out Loud (needed to spelled out it is so ridiculous!). Mrs Jackson cannot deal with the complexity of the estate.

Look at her track record - belts, books and fanventions.

Look at the estate - TII, Circque de Soleil, the MJ Experience.

Mrs Jackson does not have the connections and knowledge necessary to manage the Estate. For Mann to suggest otherwise is silly.

 

[JMie]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Is Mann serious? Cause reading that stuff from mjnewsalert just had me cracking up.

Katherine Jackson in charge of Michael's estate?? Laugh Out Loud (needed to spelled out it is so ridiculous!). Mrs Jackson cannot deal with the complexity of the estate.

Look at the track record - belts, books and fanventions.

Look at the estate - TII, Circque de Soleil, the MJ Experience.

Mrs Jackson does not have the connections and knowledge necessary to manage the Estate. For Mann to suggest otherwise is silly.

all that and also Michael's wish that the Estate should be administered by Branca and McClain, not Katherine and this nobody Mann.

 

[Graf]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

edit..

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Is Mann serious? Cause reading that stuff from mjnewsalert just had me cracking up.

Katherine Jackson in charge of Michael's estate?? Laugh Out Loud (needed to spelled out it is so ridiculous!). Mrs Jackson cannot deal with the complexity of the estate.

Look at the track record - belts, books and fanventions.

Look at the estate - TII, Circque de Soleil, the MJ Experience.

Mrs katherine the Estate. For Mann to suggest otherwise is silly.

Heck no and Michael knew that..thats why he left the estate in charge.

all that and also Michael's wish that the Estate should be administered by Branca and McClain, not Katherine and this nobody Mann.

If Michael would of left Katherne in charge of the estate..ALL his money would of been GONE in no time flat....all the rest of the hands would of been snatching it up. There would of been nothing left for PPB. ...you know whet we say....Michael was a VERY smart man and KNEW what he was doing. This Mann scum needs to go away

 

[Petrarose]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Sorry but Mann's latest statement made me laugh. He attempts to find any reason to support his theft from the Estate. He forgets that stealing is stealing and no amount of sugarcoating is going to change that. He has incompetent lawyers, and I hope they caution him about the claims he is making against the executors. He might find himself in another civil case.

Next, it is not his business what the Estate does with the money it makes for the heirs. He is not appointed by the court to see how they are handling the money. The Estate knows how much money Katherine has to get, not Mann. Someone should tell him.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

wow..the guy is a scum...he acts like he cares about Katherine and the children..his problem is ..he is mad at the estate because they are stopping him from making money off the name Michael Jackson and he doesn't like that. I wish Katherine could see through his trash.

Yeah he is scum...but the thing is, Katherine is responsible for letting him in...It's almost like seeing a Mosquito outside and then going to the door and letting it in..That's was Katherine's choice..also didn't Katherine once say the Estate was "greedy?" She seems to be just as against the estate as this scum bag..She thinks she deserves more than she gets, and since she doesn't, she pairs up with this guy to go behind the back of the Estate to make more..Then when the estate tries to put a stop to it, they go "Oh the estate is so evil, it should belong in total control under Katherine and the kids!" ..They act like Katherine gets nothing, but she gets more than enough, she just wants more so she can take care of other people who refuse to take care of themselves..

:agree:



Katie needs to kick this guy out immediately. :bugeyed

 

[virginia_woolf]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

:agree:
Katie needs to kick this guy out immediately. :bugeyed

She won't. In my opinion Mann is repeating the things some of the Jacksons are saying but they are afraid to say it in public.

 

[Annie123]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

She won't. In my opinion Mann is repeating the things some of the Jacksons are saying but they are afraid to say it in public.

Yes that is my impression too.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

She won't. In my opinion Mann is repeating the things some of the Jacksons are saying but they are afraid to say it in public.

Yes, unfortunately I have to agree with you. I hope all this does not get more worse than it already is. I hope someone stops the Mann.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

throwing stones to hide their hands

 

[Memefan]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Mann is running out of arguments.

He should worry about his next court appearance

She won't. In my opinion Mann is repeating the things some of the Jacksons are saying but they are afraid to say it in public.

Very much agree with you on this. I hope they are not feeding the kids this nonsense. They must know the estate admins are working for them...not against them.

 

[ivy]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

It's all about money.

Jackson's feel like they should control / get more money more quickly. They disregard the law, Michael's will etc. If Katherine had a legit need she could go to the court - yet there's no requests for money.

Mann is trying to make money. Not for a second I believe he does what he does for the benefit of Katherine. No. He's trying to make money for himself.

And that mention of litigation costs (lawyer costs) is just dumb. Estate is being sued by a lot of people plus they are trying to maintain Michael's rights from many people, therefore they have those costs. What does he want them to do? To sit and let everyone take a portion of Michael's estate? Of course not! So they fight, so it costs money who's Mann to criticize that.

 

[goldiee]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Is Mann serious? Cause reading that stuff from mjnewsalert just had me cracking up.

Katherine Jackson in charge of Michael's estate?? Laugh Out Loud (needed to spelled out it is so ridiculous!). Mrs Jackson cannot deal with the complexity of the estate.

Look at her track record - belts, books and fanventions.

Look at the estate - TII, Circque de Soleil, the MJ Experience.

Mrs Jackson does not have the connections and knowledge necessary to manage the Estate. For Mann to suggest otherwise is silly.

That's code talk for have one of the Jacksons run the estate, like Randy?

 

[Memefan]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Constant drama


DEBUNKING HOWARD MANN'S LIES AND OTHERS HALF TRUTHS









'

 

[twinklEE]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

To hell with man and his supporters.

 

[Sophielo]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

Its frustrating to see how Mann is such a crook but Katherine fails to see this, in a lot of ways she is like Michael-surrounded by so many crooks only out for themselves but being too trusting of them. Mann needs to go-the Estate is doing a great job and the Estate has made absolutly millions since Michael passed. The Jacksons running it would be a complete disaster.

 

[Jesta]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

The only Jacksons that should run the Estate are Prince and Paris. And even then, it should really be over creative things/merchandising i.e. what songs to put on an album/what should be on an album etc.

Mann's attempts to make himself look legit only succeed in making him look foolish. He should really research the Estate before throwing accusations left and right.

 

[ExoticPrincess]

Howard Mann Accuses MJ Executors of ‘Stealing’ The Estate
The fact of the matter is, Michael had years to alter his will — he could of cut Branca from being an executor, but, he didn’t.
Howard Mann then goes on to say “I will stop putting out MJ items tomorrow if they step down and turn the estate over to his mother and children, until then I am trying to earn them some money and some financial Independence.”

http://home.mjnewsalerts.com/2011/03/26/howard-mann-accuses-mj-executors-of-‘stealing’-the-estate/

So wait, Katherine needs Michael's money to be financially independent?:smilerolleyes: where the heck are her OTHER children?!?! I mean come on, this is just ludicrous! Howard Mann is only out to secure his own financial well-being and I can't believe Katherine Jackson allowed herself to get involved with this troll! Where were her lawyers????:doh:

BTW.....Michael knew what he was doing, its his damn WILL and people should just abide by it! Behind closed doors, I bet you anything they are so pissed off at the decision MJ made not having them involved with running his estate. One day one day, this whole thing is gonna get dragged out into the public glare and it may just get nasty!

 

[StacyJ]

Re: MJ Estate Sues Katherine Jackson's Business Partner Howard Mann / Latest update : March 22, 2011

of course they are pissed off at MJ for not allowing them to run it and for leaving them out of his will. That is why they are consistently throwing him under the bus and that's why none of them seem to care about this trial or that he's dead.