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MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal

Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

If Melissa continues to be in the HTW foundation, the credibility of that foundation is being thrown out the window. I don't even like the fact that Katherine may be on board...but the estate will be on top of every move she does and she is Michael's mother. They will keep a tight reign on her to not pass the money to Joseph and ect.

Melissa on the other hand and Mann....forget it. No one will ever support a foundation with these crooks and porno people. While their at it, why not add Karen Faye as president of the foundation? because either way us fans won't support it unless it just Branca, McClain, PPB (and maybe Katherine) who are behind HTW.

After reading all this all I can do is

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I am sick and f***ing tired of all the drama surrounding Michael Jackson. God dammit.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

^^

agree

and

let me give you a Michael version

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Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

if melissa and randy is on board then i am done with to otthis charity.i will give it to the other charities ,at the end of the day michael wanted us to help those who are in need and randy and joe are not one of those.any ways this is good news for estate and mj3.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

ivy said:
let me give you a Michael version

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That pretty much summarizes it all.

Drama... as usual... as alwyas :mello:

Poor Michael.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I'm still skeptical.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

you guys and those gifs are to much....:D
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

goldiee said:
I'm still skeptical.
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oh..me too...regardless WHO runs this charity..I still will not be able to support it..
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

^^Love those gifs!!! It is good news about the trademarks and htwf. I am simply going to wait for more information about the charity from the Estate.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Petrarose said:
^^Love those gifs!!! It is good news about the trademarks and htwf. I am simply going to wait for more information about the charity from the Estate.
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Exactly.

At some point, if people don't trust the Estate to do right by Michael with HTW, if indeed being re-activated, then there would be no need to trust the Estate in regards to any other charity done in Michael's name. Personally, I hope that Johnson's name isn't connected at all with it; and to be honest, I would feel better without Mrs. Jackson being connected, at this moment with everything that has been done and said. However, I do believe that the Estate will take Michael's charities seriously and protect their integrity. There may have been issues into play that we don't even know about. At least people should wait for specific details. I think that they are doing great letting people know who is going to be in charge of this Estate, Michael's image, and full execution of his will. Of course, I'm sure there will be more instances of having to remind people, such as with the upcoming case against Mann.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Well, it's good that the Estate has full control now. Ivy, thanks for your input, it does make a lot of sense. But it would suck if Melissa Johnson was reimbursed for the expenses of the trademarks, because she didn't exactly spent her own money, it was the donations she spent. She should be giving all that for free, she doesn't deserve any money paid back. I hope they wll soon find a way to get rid of this crazy b****.

Howard Mann is probably thinking and hoping that having both Katherine and Johnson involved with the charity means he will also through them get a piece of the pie. A piece of those 20% earmarked for charity. He won't just back away without believing he'll also be getting something.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

A "settlement" doesn't mean that one side gives UP, without some sort of pay-out. Both sides get something (and I highly doubt that Melissa cares about her "good" reputation. She doesn't HAVE one!) The executors had a very strong case. Totally winnable. I can't imagine that a judge or jury would side with Melissa. There MUST be something more to this, a back-story that we just don't know about? She bought those domain names with donated money! (I'm amazed she hasn't been sued for fraud!) And now, it's likely she was PAID by the estate so they could get them back? Why not just win them back in court and not pay her any money? That actually IS the children's money! I've read Ivy's analysis, but yet, there is something terribly "off" here. . . . .
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

The way I see it, melissa is crazy; I might be mistaken but I never had the impression she wanted money, but more to be associated with Michael in every way possible. It's the icon she's after. So I definitely think she's still on the board. After all theses years of hard harassment, there's no way she would settle just for cash. Mann would, not her.
And, other question for me, even if they're not officially included in the lawsuit, what are all the members of the J family getting out of this? We all know what they wanted through this foundation. They suddenly gave up? Doubt it.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Nice sheeps
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

left early yesterday and have now caught up with all the news. so there's still no word about Johnson involvement in this, huh? I hope we'll find out soon.. I know I won't support this charity as long as she's in the picture.

and the gifs are hilarious! let me add one as well :)

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Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Autumn II said:
A "settlement" doesn't mean that one side gives UP, without some sort of pay-out. Both sides get something (and I highly doubt that Melissa cares about her "good" reputation. She doesn't HAVE one!) The executors had a very strong case. Totally winnable. I can't imagine that a judge or jury would side with Melissa. There MUST be something more to this, a back-story that we just don't know about? She bought those domain names with donated money! (I'm amazed she hasn't been sued for fraud!) And now, it's likely she was PAID by the estate so they could get them back? Why not just win them back in court and not pay her any money? That actually IS the children's money!I've read Ivy's analysis, but yet, there is something terribly "off" here. . . . .
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agree with everything you said. the bold part, I guess John Branca is worried the judge is gonna believe Melissa Johnson's claim that she and Michael are one entity :doh:.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

loveforever said:
agree with everything you said. the bold part, I guess John Branca is worried the judge is gonna believe Melissa Johnson's claim that she and Michael are one entity :doh:.
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They sure win the case, but the Estate had no chance to get back The Heal the world-Name or the MJ-trademark. Now they have all this trademarks back and Melissa has no longer any possiblities to use this names or Michaels name. Michaels orignal Foundation with the names he gives his foundation is back to the Estate and in the direktion of the Estate. There is no longer abuse possible.

And Mann is out. He can`t use the trademarks from Johnson to abuse Michael`s name.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Annita said:
They sure win the case, but the Estate had no chance to get back The Heal the world-Name or the MJ-trademark. Now they have all this trademarks back and Melissa has no longer any possiblities to use this names or Michaels name. Michaels orignal Foundation with the names he gives his foundation is back to the Estate and in the direktion of the Estate. There is no longer abuse possible.

And Mann is out. He can`t use the trademarks from Johnson to abuse Michael`s name.
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Melissa Johnson own neither "heal the world" name nor Michael Jakson's trademark. everyone can name their charity "heal the world" if they like but they cannot use Michael Jackson related trademark because only the Estate own his intellectual property (that's why Johnson claimed she and Michael were one entity). The estate could easily win everything in court, but they chose to get them in a settlement. what's Katherine's offer make John Branca bend over, probably promised Branca if he settled and let her get the way in Michael's 20% money, they would stop calling him crook/thief publicly?
 
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Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

As ivy said its pretty much a total win for the estate including the htw name which a judge already said would be pretty much imposs for the estate to win. All that without the case going to trial.
Yeah theres the issue with johnson but until the charity starts doing things we arent gonna know her true involvement and what if any say she has.so theres really no point speculating.what matters is that the estate has the charity back and mann cant use mj to make money anymore

re katherine on the board in the will it names katherine to be involved in helping to share out the 20%


Whats with mann getting his motion to dismiss refused.are the estate sueing him individually? And what for Ive lost track
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Annita said:
They sure win the case, but the Estate had no chance to get back The Heal the world-Name or the MJ-trademark. Now they have all this trademarks back and Melissa has no longer any possiblities to use this names or Michaels name. Michaels orignal Foundation with the names he gives his foundation is back to the Estate and in the direktion of the Estate. There is no longer abuse possible.

And Mann is out. He can`t use the trademarks from Johnson to abuse Michael`s name.
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The estate ALREADY owned the trademarks, and a win in court would have sealed that ownership. A win in court would have been a wake-up call that Mann couldn't use them either. A win in court would have discouraged anyone else from trying the same stunt. IMHO. The HTW name is, sadly, already tainted.
 
loveforever;3350560 said:
Melissa Johnson own neither "heal the world" name nor Michael Jakson's trademark. everyone can name their charity "heal the world" if they like but they cannot use Michael Jackson related trademark because only the Estate own his intellectual property?
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That´s wrong. She has owned the name "heal the world-Foundation" and "MJ" and Mann wanted use her trademarks

And this trademarks are back to the Estate now.
She has to put a declaration on her website that there is no connection to the MJ-Estate and Michael Jackson, but she had the right to name the foundation Heal the world. Now she never can do this again and Mann has no possiblities to use the trademarks.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I think they stick to the pattern 'nothing MJ outside the estate' and they establish the precedent more strongly. On the other hand, they had to get J agree to it so they made it look like a mutually beneficial settlement? Could be. IMO she will get her money and be rendered inactive in some other way--maybe exchange her 'position' for something else non-estate related?
Embed the opponent into the scheme, make him useless and get rid of him. That's what it looks like.
I didn't care about Johnson as much as I did for Mann. Glad he will be kicked out of the picture. NO settlements there, hopefully.

Edit to add: Thanks Ivy for dissecting the documents for us and thanks to all for their insight. Clearly there was a gap of communication and understanding which is now bridged.
 
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CherubimII;3350192 said:
I, also, hope one day the Heal the World Foundation will be combined in some manner with Neverland for the benefit of children all over the world. :cheeky:
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i hope so to. as i see it it's a part of his legacy.
ivy;3350199 said:
Actually let's do a brain storming, starting by remembering the claims in the actual case and see what happened.




win for estate , they got all the trademarks back



win for estate, they got the trademarks and Melissa Johnson, her companies and Mann cannot use them anymore



win for estate , see above explanation



win for estate, as they took over HTWF and any use of Michael's name image and likeliness will be under their control



win for estate, as they got all the trademarks



win for estate, as they got all the trademarks



domain names aren't reported so we don't know this one



win for estate, as they control the trademarks and Michael's image, name, likeliness




win for estate, as they take over HTWF they can correct any wrong information themselves



Why settle ?

Go again and read the counts did MJ Estate tried to close down the charity? No they didn't. They just tried to get the "Heal the World" name back.

Here we have to remember the preliminary injunction decision of the judge, let's do direct quotes first

"With respect to healtheworld.us, and healtheworldfoundation.net, Plaintiff Triumph is not likely to prove the bad faith element. As Plaintiff concedes, at the time Defendant HTWF registered these sites, Plaintiff’s registration in the “Heal the World” marks had expired due to the popularity of the song. Thus, Defendant HTWF may reasonably have believed that its use of the phrase was fair use. Moreover, Defendant HTWF actually succeeded in registering this mark, which, as Plaintiff elsewhere argues, establishes prima facie evidence of Defendant’s intellectual property rights in that mark. Plaintiff argues that “it is the nature of Defendants’ use of the marks that is problematic"

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"Notwithstanding the foregoing, Defendants are not enjoined from using the mark HEAL THE WORLD"

In a simplified fashion during the preliminary injunction the judge agreed with everything the Estate asked for except "Heal the World" as it became fair use due to trademark expiring due to popularity of the song.

If at the end of the trial the judge decided same way and let Melissa Johnson to keep the Heal the World name we would have her continuing the charity (without mentioning Michael and selling Michael branded products) in the future (probably with Katherine and MJ's kids). Wouldn't you say the confusion would remain among the general public?

So as you can see the advantage of a settlement for the Estate is making sure that they get "Heal The World" name for sure and control of charity (something they didn't ask for at all). So it's a extra plus for them.

Why would Melissa Johnson settle?

It's just assumptions here (as we don't know the confidential details) but most probably as the Estate is getting the trademarks (and perhaps even the domain names as well) they will most probably reimburse her for the costs of such registrations.

Estate agreeing to keep Heal the World alive could be a motivation as well.

and if she's allowed to be a part of the new charity that's also a plus for her.

So as you can see Estate probably got more than they wanted as they were able to get not only the Trademarks but the future control of HTWF and Johnson is probably better off by possibly getting reimbursed for her expenses and still being a part of the charity.
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Ivy thank you for your explanations. now it al make sense.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Good news that the HTW is back in the arms of the estate. Hope Melissa Johnson is out the picture though.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

ivy said:
on a semi related note

MJ Fanmily rejoice. Howard Mann's motion to dismiss is DENIED. MJ Estate's case against Howard Mann moves forward !!!! http://twitpic.com/4mzdxs

Let me find the thread for it :)
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that is good news. hopefully he'll back off and go back to where ever he came from
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Maria MJ said:
Embed the opponent into the scheme, make him useless and get rid of him. That's what it looks like.
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And this is not wrong and this is not bad!
I think, Branca is one of the completely few which were really a FRIEND for Michael and are still!
And I think, Branca will do everything to honour Michael and to receive Michael's respect.
And he will do it on clean and legally manner!

Melissa Johnson..... Branca will assign her place to her already one.

(In any case, I hope to see soon no more underpants with "Heal The World" print any more.)


Let us celebrate the success!

For the action against Howard Mann it is veeeery important
 
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