MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

well all accounts are that all trademarks are now with the estate so mann is definately the biggest loser here. that is the positive I will be taking.
I really hope you're right about Mann and Katherine didn't promise to let him back through the back door. I just can't see him giving up so easily.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I doubt any fan will donate unless it's CERTAIN that Johnson is out. "Details" with her still being worked out, doesn't actually SAY that she is not on the board. Now does it? If they really want to reactivate the charity, I think they should issue a statement that she has NO part in its operation.
I agree with you on this ...even if they do get Johnson OUT,,,unfortunately...NONE of the MJ fans that I know will EVER make donations to this charity...they still feel as though Johnson and Mann have tainted it so badly that it will never again be what Michael INTENDED it to be.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I'm sure when the time comes for more transparency that is necessary to upheld HTW, then the Estate will give such. But, that time is their decision.
Remember that we don't like people other than the Estate acting as if they have a right to Michael's name, likeness, etc. Well, we as fans will also have to remember that we don't have a right to all of his Estate's business either.

I guess you are right. This outcome should be perceived as a postive news. The HTW trademarkds are back to the Estate's control.

I never think we have a right to all of the Estate's business matter. Actually, I believe detailed financial inforamtion should remain confidential. Like many fans here, I'm just concern with Melissa Johnson's involvement going forward. Isn't it true that a more direct and open statment can be made regarding Melissa Johnson? If details are still working out with her, I assume monetary settlement is involved.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

So it sounds like...

The estate paid Melissa Johnson and Howard Mann and told them to beat it. It was all about money anyway folks.

Hopefully Heal The World will be used to distribute funds to other charities as Michael originally intended.

That's what I think too.

I just hope HTW will help a lot of people in need in the future, esp. children. Maybe they could even organize an annual Children's Day, as Michael wished, at Neverland Ranch where ill or disadvantaged children can just have a great time and forget about their worries for a day :)
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

That's what I think too.

I just hope HTW will help a lot of people in need in the future, esp. children. Maybe they could even organize an annual Children's Day, as Michael wished, at Neverland Ranch where ill or disadvantaged children can just have a great time and forget about their worries for a day :)
I do too. :yes:
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

The Estate may not be seeking donations for a newly activated HTW. We need to keep that in mind.

If the Estate can use the HTW foundation for good, then so be it. Charity is what will count in the end....

True. Mann getting involved with Johnson and Katherine partnering with him put a whole different spin on the HTWF name. Their purpose was access to the trademarks for profit, not charity.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I guess you are right. This outcome should be perceived as a postive news. The HTW trademarkds are back to the Estate's control.

I never think we have a right to all of the Estate's business matter. Actually, I believe detailed financial inforamtion should remain confidential. Like many fans here, I'm just concern with Melissa Johnson's involvement going forward. Isn't it true that a more direct and open statment can be made regarding Melissa Johnson? If details are still working out with her, I assume monetary settlement is involved.


Agree. Of COURSE we don't have a right to all of the estate's business. However, this has been a pretty public issue; we've read Melissa's statements, and so on. If the estate wants HTW to be respected and trusted, I do think a statement should be forthcoming with assurances that Johnson/Mann have no part in it. Unless they clarify that, many will continue to distrust HTW, given that the terms of the settlement are in part "confidential." They can do what they want, but there are degrees of transparency, and Johnson's role, or non-role, should be one of them. IMHO.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I agree with you on this ...even if they do get Johnson OUT,,,unfortunately...NONE of the MJ fans that I know will EVER make donations to this charity...they still feel as though Johnson and Mann have tainted it so badly that it will never again be what Michael INTENDED it to be.
they will never get one cent from me, Johnson in or out. The estate could easily win this case, but they chose the easy way. Katherine's party wants money, the estate wants intellectual property, so each party got what they wanted and everyone is happy now. To me, this settlement tainted Michael's HTW forever, I will never ever support it. who knows the money really go to people in needs or the Jacksons/mann/Johnson's pockets?

NO ONE cares about what Michael wanted.
 
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Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Who said they are going to ask you for anything? God
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

They don't need Melissa Johnson if the Estate has all the trademarks now! There would be no reason to keep a women who barely donated a thing from HTWF to the needy but, only bought trademarks and domains with the donations to make more profit off MJs name in the future with Mann!

So they better make sure they get rid of her or this new HTWF will not work out! So I'll be waiting to see what more info there will be on this lady!
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

they will never get one cent from me, Johnson in or out. The estate could easily win this case, but they chose the easy way. Katherine's party wants money, the estate wants intellectual property, so each party got what they wanted and everyone is happy now. To me, this settlement tainted Michael's HTW forever, I will never ever support it. NO ONE cares about what Michael wanted.

Why so negative? I don't understand some of you, honestly. Let's just wait and see how this turns out.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I think the fact that the estate has control of this foundation is a good thing. That's what they wanted. I think we should all wait and see what happens next. The case just got settled today. I hope this is a good start for something meaningful and hopefully Michael's children will be in charge of it someday or something like that. I find it interesting that Katherine gets a new lawyer and the case gets settled.

I don't think the estate wants to have problems with Katherine. She is Michael's mother, she is in the will, she is taking care of his children and if they knew Michael for a long time then they know how much he loved and thought of her. It's get complicated and the kids will be stuck in the middle if they don't get along.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Don't like this. .. Don't even know how this will play out. Johnson and Man are proven crooks. Just wish some good news could pop up that one can for certain know they are good. In Michael's world, posthumously speaking, that's a rarity.

*whatever...*
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I think the fact that the estate has control of this foundation is a good thing. That's what they wanted. I think we should all wait and see what happens next. The case just got settled today. I hope this is a good start for something meaningful and hopefully Michael's children will be in charge of it someday or something like that. I find it interesting that Katherine gets a new lawyer and the case gets settled.

I don't think the estate wants to have problems with Katherine. She is Michael's mother, she is in the will, she is taking care of his children and if they knew Michael for a long time then they know how much he loved and thought of her. It's get complicated and the kids will be stuck in the middle if they don't get along.

Exactly my thoughts :)
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I think the fact that the estate has control of this foundation is a good thing. That's what they wanted. I think we should all wait and see what happens next. The case just got settled today. I hope this is a good start for something meaningful and hopefully Michael's children will be in charge of it someday or something like that. I find it interesting that Katherine gets a new lawyer and the case gets settled.

I don't think the estate wants to have problems with Katherine. She is Michael's mother, she is in the will, she is taking care of his children and if they knew Michael for a long time then they know how much he loved and thought of her. It's get complicated and the kids will be stuck in the middle if they don't get along.

I agree with your summary. :yes:
I, also, believe now the Heal the World Foundation
will become a charity worthy of Michael Jackson, and one his children and grandchildren can continue into the future.

I, also, hope one day the Heal the World Foundation will be combined in some manner with Neverland for the benefit of children all over the world. :cheeky:
 
Actually let's do a brain storming, starting by remembering the claims in the actual case and see what happened.


Count 1 : Trademark infringement (for unauthorized use of "Michael Jackson" mark)

win for estate , they got all the trademarks back

Count 2: Unfair competition and false designation of origin (using these trademarks create confusion or deceive people to believe these items HTWF sell are connected or associated with Michael Jackson and MJ Estate)

win for estate, they got the trademarks and Melissa Johnson, her companies and Mann cannot use them anymore

Count 3: Trademark infringement and unfair competition under CA Law (for using the trademarks in commerce)

win for estate , see above explanation

Count 4: Violation of right of publicity (the unauthorized use of Michael's name , image and likeliness).

win for estate, as they took over HTWF and any use of Michael's name image and likeliness will be under their control

Count 5: Cancellation of registered trademarks (Heal the World, Heal the World Foundation, HTWF)

win for estate, as they got all the trademarks

Count 6: Cancellation of registered trademarks (MJ)

win for estate, as they got all the trademarks

Count 7: Cyber squatting (Domain names)

domain names aren't reported so we don't know this one

Supplemental complaint

1 - Stop using any word, image, symbol associated or referencing Michael Jackson

win for estate, as they control the trademarks and Michael's image, name, likeliness

2- Correction of the records of California Secretary of State, California Franchise Board, California Attorney General's Office, Internal Revenue Service


win for estate, as they take over HTWF they can correct any wrong information themselves



Why settle ?

Go again and read the counts did MJ Estate tried to close down the charity? No they didn't. They just tried to get the "Heal the World" name back.

Here we have to remember the preliminary injunction decision of the judge, let's do direct quotes first

"With respect to healtheworld.us, and healtheworldfoundation.net, Plaintiff Triumph is not likely to prove the bad faith element. As Plaintiff concedes, at the time Defendant HTWF registered these sites, Plaintiff’s registration in the “Heal the World” marks had expired due to the popularity of the song. Thus, Defendant HTWF may reasonably have believed that its use of the phrase was fair use. Moreover, Defendant HTWF actually succeeded in registering this mark, which, as Plaintiff elsewhere argues, establishes prima facie evidence of Defendant’s intellectual property rights in that mark. Plaintiff argues that “it is the nature of Defendants’ use of the marks that is problematic"

and

"Notwithstanding the foregoing, Defendants are not enjoined from using the mark HEAL THE WORLD"

In a simplified fashion during the preliminary injunction the judge agreed with everything the Estate asked for except "Heal the World" as it became fair use due to trademark expiring due to popularity of the song.

If at the end of the trial the judge decided same way and let Melissa Johnson to keep the Heal the World name we would have her continuing the charity (without mentioning Michael and selling Michael branded products) in the future (probably with Katherine and MJ's kids). Wouldn't you say the confusion would remain among the general public?

So as you can see the advantage of a settlement for the Estate is making sure that they get "Heal The World" name for sure and control of charity (something they didn't ask for at all). So it's a extra plus for them.

Why would Melissa Johnson settle?

It's just assumptions here (as we don't know the confidential details) but most probably as the Estate is getting the trademarks (and perhaps even the domain names as well) they will most probably reimburse her for the costs of such registrations.

Estate agreeing to keep Heal the World alive could be a motivation as well.

and if she's allowed to be a part of the new charity that's also a plus for her.

So as you can see Estate probably got more than they wanted as they were able to get not only the Trademarks but the future control of HTWF and Johnson is probably better off by possibly getting reimbursed for her expenses and still being a part of the charity.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Do you think Katherine's new attorney advised her that going to court was only going to turn out badly for her?

I am a little late but what exactly happened to Adam Streisand?
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
I'll have an article up a bit later...
55 minutes ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
Estate wants to get the Foundation "jump started" again so it can do what MJ intended it to
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
HTWF will now have a much broader reach and impact. It will be one of several charities that benefits from Michael's Estate
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
Details still being worked out with Melissa Johnson, but she no longer has any rights to Michael's name or the charity
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
I am told Howard Mann will no longer have any role in the HTWF.
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
Apparently, any kind of Board would be under the direction of the Estate and hasn't yet been formed
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
To clarify, I am not in any way speaking FOR the Estate. I am a journalist asking questions and reporting what I learn.
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
It will be re-activated and directed by John Branca, John McClain and Katherine Jackson
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
Michael Jackson's Estate has taken back all rights to the Heal the World Foundation
1 hour ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
I'll have more details soon...
2 hours ago

joevogel_ Joe Vogel
From the Estate of Michael Jackson: Press reports on TMZ and other media sites regarding the settlement terms between the Michael Jackson Estate and the Heal the World defendants are wrong. The Estate is taking back the Heal the World Foundation and all of the Michael Jackson trademarks it allegedly owned. The Michael Jackson Estate owns the Heal the World name, and neither Melissa Johnson nor her companies will ever be able to use Michael Jackson's name or the Heal the World name.
3 hours ago

GREAT NEWS! We'll just wait and see what happens though...
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

more from Joe Vogel

"Estate wants to get the Foundation "jump started" again so it can do what MJ intended it to "

This is what really excites me. I want Heal the World to be a legitimate Michael Jackson charity like Michael originally intended. i always loved the whole idea of his charity with the song's message, logo and everything that it stood for. And now that the estate has complete control they can now hopefully have it as Michael's official charity.

I've been waiting for a Michael charitable foundation where I can donate on a regular basis, and this to me would be just soooo perfect!
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

on a semi related note

MJ Fanmily rejoice. Howard Mann's motion to dismiss is DENIED. MJ Estate's case against Howard Mann moves forward !!!! http://twitpic.com/4mzdxs

Let me find the thread for it :)
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

As always, Ivy thank you for your insight into this matter.

I appreciate that aspects of the agreement need to remain confidential. I am sure that is a standard arrangement in the industry. But do hope that Ms Johnson is no longer affiliated with the charity and look forward to seeing how Mann has fared.

I will hold my tongue as it relates to Mrs Jackson but I do have my reservations about her involvement.
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

so says Mann
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Yes, the Estate made out really good with the settlement! But, if Melissa somehow becomes apart of the new HTWF it would not be a good thing!

What about all that money she spent on the trademarks the estate now owns? People were lied to by this women and who would even think of still having her on board?! If the estate is gonna pay her back for the money she got from people donations, that is so wrong when u think about it! She don't deserve to get money back from spending other peoples money! I swear this women should be sued for fraud by those who donated!
 
MJVault: @MJFanClub @MJOnlineTeam Johnson remains on the board of #htwf

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I don't know if this is accurate or not but the main concern is that she cannot claim the rights to Michael's trademarks and domains and work with Mann to exploit those properties. The executors to my current understanding are now overseeing the charity not Johnson. @MJVault does not want to admit their defeat
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

If she is still on board maybe it was at Katherine's insistence. Doesn't change the fact that she doesn't own the charity
 
Re: Confirmed: Estate takes back HTWF and its trademarks / MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF

She is under the thumb of the estate
 
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