MJ legal seminar in Sept: Mesereau, Feldman, Melville, Zonan amongst speakers

according to fans that were there, he said that neverland was created for 10-13 year old boys, and that the only reason why michael did the bashir documentary was to boost his career and exploit Gavin for his own personal gain. He also stated that their evidence was strong and that they would have won if it weren't for "celebrity justice".

^I heard this info already but, thanks anyway!:)

But, I don't see how she would just make that up about Zonen saying it was a shakedown because she also mentioned what u posted as well to William on you tube, just not on her twit blog.

So it's very confusing but, oh well! We all know it was a shakedown anyways whether those bastards admit to it or not!-_-

May they all ROT!
 
The event which was closed to the public and consisted of 98% lawyers and judges and Country Bar Association members

I have a friend and follow MJ Advocate who still argues that this was meant to be an educational experience for legal students.....really?

The absence of Sneddon was glaring.
He will not willing face T. Mes, not after the butt kicking he took from him.
Besides he like his old cronies fear the fans. He and Dimond gloated during the trial. She had the BIG reality TV Program lined up if Michael had been found guilty. They have no idea how lucky they are that he wasn't. The only TV event anyone would have seen with her in it would have been her funeral procession.

In January 2000, a woman named Janet Arvizo consulted with a civil lawyer about suing Michael Jackson for having allegedly molested her son.
Has anyone seen this article or any article with this information in it lately?
It is missing from the Net just like Sneddons original announcement about Michael to be arrested or Dimond's disgusting exhabition of the underwear that belonged to no one. They just went POOF
 
Dialdancer;3007215 said:
Has anyone seen this article or any article with this information in it lately? It is missing from the Net just like Sneddons original announcement about Michael to be arrested or Dimond's disgusting exhabition of the underwear that belonged to no one. They just went POOF
I don't have an article. But I have court transcripts.

From Pre-trial hearing
TOM MESEREAU: When did you meet Michael?

JANET ARVIZO: August 2000.

MESEREAU: According to this official statement, sworn declaration that you gave to the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s department and district attorney, you retained an attorney and investigator in January 2000 for the sole purpose of finding out information about Michael Jackson and settling with him. You discussed a settlement concerning Michael Jackson before you even knew him?

JANET ARVIZO: I…I…well…

PROSECUTORS: Objection! Irrelevant.

JUDGE MELVILLE: Sustained.

From Janet Arvizo’s Cross Examination on April 15th, 2005:

Q. All right. Now, do you remember signing a

11 document prepared by the sheriff’s department that

12 said the following: “From time to time, between

13 January 1st, 2000, and the present date, I consulted

14 one or more of those lawyers concerning Michael

15 Jackson’s interaction with me and my children at

16 Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County and

17 elsewhere, in this and other states, and concerning

18 the return of some furniture stored by or in the

19 name of Brad Miller at Dino’s Storage in North

20 Hollywood, Los Angeles County.”

21 Do you remember signing a document that had

22 those words?

23 A. Do you want me to have the document, like –

24 we’ve had this discussion over since August.

25 MR. MESEREAU: Object, Your Honor.

26 THE WITNESS: Since August, the same

27 thing –

28 THE COURT: Just a moment. I want you to 6500

1 answer the question. The question is, do you

2 remember signing that document?

3 THE WITNESS: Yes. Yes.

4 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: And the document said that

5 you had started investigating Michael Jackson

6 sometime between January 1st, 2000, and the date you

7 signed the document, which is December 18th, 2003,

8 right?

9 A. Yes. If that’s — those words are on there.

10 Q. Why would you start investigating Michael

11 Jackson around January 1st, 2000, if you didn’t meet

12 him till August 2000?

13 A. Okay. Let me explain something to you. And

14 this has already been discussed, and he knows the

15 answers. This was discussed at the end of

16 September.

17 MR. ZONEN: I’m going to object to this part

18 of the answer as nonresponsive.

19 THE COURT: Sustained.

20 THE WITNESS: This — when the sheriffs were

21 doing their investigation, they wanted to know every

22 single detail about me. George Owen Feldman is — I

23 think he’s associated in the same law firm of

24 Rothstein.

25 So the — the police department did an

26 extensive, extensive search on me as a person, and

27 so they want — they put everything in a general

28 form so they can have access to everything about me 6501

1 and my past, because they wanted to verify and make

2 sure that what they were going to do towards this

3 goliath was going to be accurate and truthful. And

4 that’s why this — this paper was made in such a

5 general way.

6 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Are you now telling the

7 jury that George Owen Feldman did represent you?

8 A. No, he didn’t represent me.

9 Q. At any time?

10 A. No, he didn’t represent me. He is one of

11 the people inside the civil law firm. But my

12 understanding — my understanding was that it was

13 only the Rothstein — Rothstein and another attorney

14 named Adler, another attorney named Ramieri. That

15 was my understanding, and it still is today.

16 Q. Let me try and ask the question again -

17 okay? – in a clearer form, because perhaps I was not

18 clear. And I apologize if I wasn’t.

19 You signed a document that said from time to

20 time between January 1st, 2000, and the date you

21 signed the document, you were investigating Michael

22 Jackson through various lawyers, correct?

23 A. Okay. There’s more information on that

24 paperwork which he purposely has taken out of

25 context. It’s — certain events are attached to

26 specific attorneys. Certain situations are attached

27 to certain attorneys.

28 Like I said, the police wanted to do an 6502

1 extensive, thorough investigation on me prior to

2 doing it on him. So they wanted everything about

3 me. So they made it in a general form. But he

4 keeps taking it out of context.

5 MR. MESEREAU: I don’t want to offend the

6 Court, Your Honor. I don’t think I actually got an

7 answer to that, but I will leave it to the Court’s

8 discretion.

9 THE COURT: Ask your next question.

10 MR. MESEREAU: Yes, Your Honor.

11 Q. You did sign this document, correct?

12 A. Yes, I did.

13 MR. MESEREAU: I would move it into

14 evidence, Your Honor.

15 THE COURT: It’s admitted.
 
crazychick!!!;3007525 said:
I don't have an article. But I have court transcripts.

From Pre-trial hearing


From Janet Arvizo’s Cross Examination on April 15th, 2005:

Thank you so much for this. I do not know how people believe Michael was guilty after reading this little part!!!!
 
crazychick!!!;3007525 said:
i don't have an article. But i have court transcripts.

from pre-trial hearing


from janet arvizo’s cross examination on april 15th, 2005:


Even better! Because you can read her admission! Thanks!



tom mesereau: When did you meet michael?

Janet arvizo: August 2000.

Mesereau: According to this official statement, sworn declaration that you gave to the santa barbara sheriff’s department and district attorney, you retained an attorney and investigator in january 2000 for the sole purpose of finding out information about michael jackson and settling with him. You discussed a settlement concerning michael jackson before you even knew him?

Janet arvizo: I…i…well…

prosecutors: Objection! Irrelevant.

Judge melville: Sustained
WOW! And people still think he was guilty? LAUGHABLE! People like Diane Dimond and Nancy Disgrace surely know this info especially Dimond! Yet, still vomited B.S to the public!
 
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Thank you so much for this. I do not know how people believe Michael was guilty after reading this little part!!!!

Even better! Because you can read her admission! Thanks!



WOW! And people still think he was guilty? LAUGHABLE! People like Diane Dimond and Nancy Disgrace surely know this info especially Dimond! Yet, still vomited B.S to the public!

You both are very very welcome.
 
I don't think the Arvizos will ever come out and tell the truth because they could face some serious criminal charges, especially giving the fact that that trial cost the city of Santa Barbara millions of dollars.
 
Has anyone seen this article or any article with this information in it lately?
It is missing from the Net just like Sneddons original announcement about Michael to be arrested or Dimond's disgusting exhabition of the underwear that belonged to no one. They just went POOF

This is from the Veritas Project. You can still find it here: http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/veritas-project/
 
People like the Arvizos and Chandlers, who already were unstable and unscrupulous, must have been brainwashed and payed for by the FBI or CIA to get a powerful man like Jackson down and ultimately destroy him. They worked hand in hand, in my opinion, and these were money-hungry families. I'm starting to really believe that. Not just because of Michael singing of T.S. missioning with the CIA and wondering if he sends letters to the FBI, but from reading or watching documentaries regarding these mafia dens, who are just pure evil. And I also think the crotch grab came up to offend and spite people of this reptilian kind, and are they offended!.. Regardless of whether Zonen admitted the 2005 trial was a shakedown or not, it just obviously was (i.e. court transcripts and the plaintiffs' history), and people like these are still at large, with probably no trace of guilt in their hearts, if they have any.
 
People like the Arvizos and Chandlers, who already were unstable and unscrupulous, must have been brainwashed and payed for by the FBI or CIA to get a powerful man like Jackson down and ultimately destroy him. They worked hand in hand, in my opinion, and these were money-hungry families. I'm starting to really believe that. Not just because of Michael singing of T.S. missioning with the CIA and wondering if he sends letters to the FBI, but from reading or watching documentaries regarding these mafia dens, who are just pure evil. And I also think the crotch grab came up to offend and spite people of this reptilian kind, and are they offended!.. Regardless of whether Zonen admitted the 2005 trial was a shakedown or not, it just obviously was (i.e. court transcripts and the plaintiffs' history), and people like these are still at large, with probably no trace of guilt in their hearts, if they have any.

I'm too often wondering what were the REAL motives behind all this. Of course, on the part of the accusers it was money, that's clear. However, like you said, especially the Arvizos were lead by the authorities. It wasn't a case of an accuser going to the authorities, it was the other way around: Sneddon fishing for accusers. And finally he found one who was hungry enough for money to do it.

But I want to know the REAL reasons. The motives of Sneddon and those who tried to bring down Michael with such venom and zealousy. What is the origin of this hatred? Racism? Jealousy? Or what?
 
People like the Arvizos and Chandlers, who already were unstable and unscrupulous, must have been brainwashed and payed for by the FBI or CIA to get a powerful man like Jackson down and ultimately destroy him. They worked hand in hand, in my opinion, and these were money-hungry families.

I cant agree more. :wild:
And Id say there are many hidden agendas that people are not aware of...
 
I'm too often wondering what were the REAL motives behind all this. Of course, on the part of the accusers it was money, that's clear. However, like you said, especially the Arvizos were lead by the authorities. It wasn't a case of an accuser going to the authorities, it was the other way around: Sneddon fishing for accusers. And finally he found one who was hungry enough for money to do it.

But I want to know the REAL reasons. The motives of Sneddon and those who tried to bring down Michael with such venom and zealousy. What is the origin of this hatred? Racism? Jealousy? Or what?



All of the above but, I also heard it was for Neverland for it's reach soil! Neverland is huge they can do a lot with that property!:ph34r: Also I think there was Higher help as well! Chandler didn't say he had others in line for nothing!:ph34r:

OMG...While I write this the song D.S started playing on my MJtunes radio.....OMG! LMAO
 
Not sure if this was posted yet and I didn't want to make another thread on it! But, here is actual video of what went down! I hope there will be more on of Mez part!?

 
Zonen seems to know a lot about Gavin or he's making this up. Describing him as a poster child choir boy. Just too good to be true IMO.

And what lawyers keep in touch with ex-clients for half a decade? Seems weird to me.



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They all keep tabs on Jordan and Gavin it's creepy yet, we all know why they do so! Not even if Gavin or Jordan wanted to confess they would never let them! I really do believe that!
 
They all keep tabs on Jordan and Gavin it's creepy yet, we all know why they do so! Not even if Gavin or Jordan wanted to confess they would never let them! I really do believe that!

Isn't it pathetic how all these people have all formed friendships from destroying one man? It's a shame that Michael never realized how much of a target he was.
 
where's the rest?

So far this is all I found on it! Hopefully, there will be more uploads on it?!

Isn't it pathetic how all these people have all formed friendships from destroying one man? It's a shame that Michael never realized how much of a target he was.
Well, Jordan father did say it's a plan and others are lined up! That's the only thing he didn't lie about go figure!:no:
 
Zonen seems to know a lot about Gavin or he's making this up. Describing him as a poster child choir boy. Just too good to be true IMO.

Of course it is. And yeah: why on Earth Zonen still keeps in touch with the Arvizos? IMO to keep an eye on them. A lot of things are at stake for a lot of people if they'd decide to come out and tell the world nothing ever happened. So they need to keep them shut.

And yeah, the boy who used to insult and arrogantly talk back to his teachers (fact that was revealed at the trial) in school is now a poster child choir boy..... Okkkkay.
 
so Zonen didn't really admit it was a shakedown after all, he just cited Geragos saying that on tv. baaah! I kinda felt it would turn out to be a false alarm, Ronnie's so blinded by his hatred of Michael he wouldn't see the truth if it bit him on the ass.
 
These devious conspirators (because they are, since they all plotted against destroying an innocent man) must be paying these brainwashed Chandlers and Arvizos truckloads of money for sure. Only that I personally think they don't even care about ever coming forward. They're too 'transformed' and self-absorbed now. They love being pitied and posing as child abuse victims, don't know about Chandler, but it's enough to recall a FB reply Star Arvizo once sent to a person to understand that. Their money hunger was always much stronger than themselves, than dignity, than fairness, than everything. As for Arvizo being a choir boy... simply notice the disgusting stunt they're trying to pull: how they're 'promoting' these people as innocents and pures...

I can't bring myself to watch the video above and see devils in human form and action (exc Mesereau) singing the praises of other devils.
 
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These devious conspirators (because they are, since they all plotted against destroying an innocent man) must be paying these brainwashed Chandlers and Arvizos truckloads of money for sure. Only that I personally think they don't even care about ever coming forward. They're too 'transformed' and self-absorbed now. They love being pitied and posing as child abuse victims, don't know about Chandler, but it's enough to recall a FB reply Star Arvizo once sent to a person to understand that. Their money hunger was always much stronger than themselves, than dignity, than fairness, than everything. As for Arvizo being a choir boy... simply notice the disgusting stunt they're trying to pull: how they're 'promoting' these people as innocents and pures...

I can't bring myself to watch the video above and see devils in human form and action (exc Mesereau) singing the praises of other devils.

True. They have to keep their eyes on the Arvizo's. Please do not let me find them. Because I would make them drunk and find out what they are hiding. When this opens up a lot of heads will be rolling!!!!
 
^ No they will not unfortunately! Arviso's are even worse! They have no remorse judging by wannabe a Star Arviso face book comments I read! It's obvious these people are being protected and paid by certain people to continue the lie!

By the way can someone changed the title please!? To show there's video of it! thx
 
Actually I have heard rumours (Internet rumours so maybe true, maybe not, who knows) that while in college Jordan not only admitted to close friends that he was never molested by Michael (this is something that Tom Mesereau also mentioned), but also he used to dance happily to Michael's music in parties. It's also rumoured that he's still a fan and he visits fan forums... IF true (and like I said it's a rumour so I don't know, but IF true) I don't know how he can live with himself.... Visit forums and have fun with Michael's music knowing what he did to Michael.
 
It's also rumoured that he's still a fan and he visits fan forums... IF true (and like I said it's a rumour so I don't know, but IF true) I don't know how he can live with himself.... Visit forums and have fun with Michael's music knowing what he did to Michael.


:(...
 
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