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lol..how do we know sony would have enough money if this were true?

they're always keeping close to the vest, and laid people off just like other labels. i know how easy it is for people to believe that MJ doesn't have money..what about sony?
 
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SONY is the largest music company.. that's how they have the money.. I am not saying that michael does not have money.. He does.. But SONY.. just never mind.. lol!
 
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Why does idoits like RF run with mess like this? SO what. This is now newsworthy in my view. These people act like it is a done deal. Wrong. What if Michael pays this loan on Neverland up? Will the media talk about that update? I think not. I think the average good thinking person does not care because they have heard it over and over. Like one poster said, "I thought he lost Neverland in 1995". See, sooner or later, people get OVERALL get tired. yes, there maybe a few idoits who talk trash about it (that is normal. THere is always going to be a few); however, many people are tired of our American media. President runner John McCain was accused this week of having an affair and the NY times caught fire for it and lost crediability (this also made people run to McCain's side). RF is a sick man and he is mad that Michael does NOT pay him no mind. He even wants to paint Thriller 25 as a flop. WHAT? Anyway, ignore that nut. I hope Michael gets this mess solved if he stills want Neverland. I am mad because Michael has been given great press in the past few weeks (Notice RF did not discuss Michael on time during those week. No, it makes Michael look good. Can't do that) and now this mess. I hope this is worked out and Michael gets a sales boost. People are TIRED.
 
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terrell said:
Why does idoits like RF run with mess like this? SO what. This is now newsworthy in my view. These people act like it is a done deal. Wrong. What if Michael pays this loan on Neverland up? Will the media talk about that update? I think not. I think the average good thinking person does not care because they have heard it over and over. Like one poster said, "I thought he lost Neverland in 1995". See, sooner or later, people get OVERALL get tired. yes, there maybe a few idoits who talk trash about it (that is normal. THere is always going to be a few); however, many people are tired of our American media. President runner John McCain was accused this week of having an affair and the NY times caught fire for it and lost crediability (this also made people run to McCain's side). RF is a sick man and he is mad that Michael does NOT pay him no mind. He even wants to paint Thriller 25 as a flop. WHAT? Anyway, ignore that nut. I hope Michael gets this mess solved if he stills want Neverland. I am mad because Michael has been given great press in the past few weeks (Notice RF did not discuss Michael on time during those week. No, it makes Michael look good. Can't do that) and now this mess. I hope this is worked out and Michael gets a sales boost. People are TIRED.
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Then when this is settled something else will be dug up to keep so called spectators and watchers happy? its like a little game they play to amuse themselves and use it to destroy and or advert others attentions off of the
good things going on. And the Beat goes onnnnnnn yeah the beat goes on...... :rolleyes:
 
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Why would Sony care? I don't get it.
 
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HUGE_MJ_FAN said:
Any word from Raymone?
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nope not yet, and she probably won't respond at this point. Back in November 2007, she said Michael was not "losing Neverland" now 3 months later it's something totally different. I don't think she will be saying much
 
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:lol: i'm still laughing.. OK I'll give it one shot..

SONY is HUGE... The amount of money they have is VERY HIGH.. We're talking A LOT.. Not an individual person A LOT.. but a COMPANY a lot.. lol! It's a big difference..

We're talking billions. SONY is not just 'Sony music'. that is just one department.. They make many electronics that does not deal with the music industry..


Shannon: Sony would care because they can profit out of it... Lets just take graceland for an example.. it make a lot of money every year.. Now if Neverland stayed open and alive, with people visiting it long after MJ is on this earth. it would be a money opportunity for them.. And MJ's home while he's still here.

(not because of a kind heart) We know better from SONY loL!
 
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Shannon said:
Why would Sony care? I don't get it.
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hypothetically speaking, that is a good idea if they did care. after which, Sony could quick claim it back to michael... wishful thinking though...:lol:
 
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poefiend said:
Then when this is settled something else will be dug up to keep so called spectators and watchers happy? its like a little game they play to amuse themselves and use it to destroy and or advert others attentions off of the
good things going on. And the Beat goes onnnnnnn yeah the beat goes on...... :rolleyes:
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There is a motive behind it. The motive is to destry MJ's credibility so that he will not be able to get credit from a bank. This is the reason why the media is doing it. The main aim os to get him to sell the catalogue. too bad that is not going to happen now, cause MJ got that very secure. Somebody is paying RF to do this,:huh:
My prime suspect is Rupert Murdock. He is used his world wide media to defame Michael Jackson, He refused to publish anything positive on him. he he a Beatles fan and a best friend of Paul Mc Cartney.
 
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ROTFL!!! Why is it anyone's business?? Who gives a crap what fans think. Fans find it embarassing. Who cares what you think. AIN'T NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Again too wrapped up on what the media say and print and what the neighbours think. Superficial. Welcome to the real world. People always have **** to deal with. Michael Jackson is in the public eye so his gets reported on and wild speculation and fabrication gets added on of course. Whatever he decides to do is his business. You would swear it was the end of the world. Good grief put things into perspective. He doesn't owe anybody any statement. I'm sure all the idiots are emailing Raymone. I just find that so scary and obsessive. This is another person's live, not yours. Will not affect you in any way, shape or form. Michael Jackson ain't dying.

I just hope we don't have a countdown thread to March 19th. What am I saying of course there will. Michael Jackson fans are crazy.
 
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Datsymay said:
There is a motive behind it. The motive is to destry MJ's credibility so that he will not be able to get credit from a bank.
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he dosn't need to... he has a lot of cash;)
no, I mean it
 
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Well, it's apparent to me at least that MJ doesn't want to live there anymore. So, if that's the case, why should he be spending millions a year to keep it open? Now watch the same people who said MJ should close Neverland and grow up claim that MJ is only doing this because he is broke.
 
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I'm going to try to stay optimistic with whatever happens..

He keeps it - He wins and keeps his loved NEVERLAND

Gets sold - Michael will not have this Neverland debt issue over his head anymore.. I am sick of this. and he probably is too.. those people that are trying to get his money will finally shut the hell up, and Michael will be left alone on this issue. this loan crap has been going on for so long now..

Time to move foward now...
 
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Since we are still discussing it, here's my take.

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Jackson 'will not lose Neverland'

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Jackson left the ranch after being acquitted of child abuse in 2005

Pop star Michael Jackson is in no danger of losing his Neverland ranch due to debt, his spokeswoman has said.
She denied reports that the singer had defaulted on a $23m (£11m) loan on the California ranch, saying he was in the process of refinancing the building.
The ranch was listed on a Santa Barbara County foreclosure report this week.
Jackson left the ranch when acquitted of child abuse in 2005. In August, finance firm Prescient Acquisition said he had debts of $272.5m (£130m).
The 1,100 hectare (2,800 acre) Neverland ranch was named after a fictional world in the story Peter Pan and contains amusement park rides and a zoo.
"Mr Jackson is in the final stages of refinance and will not lose Neverland Valley Ranch," his spokeswoman Raymone Bain said. The 49-year-old singer closed the ranch after his trial and has since lived in Ireland, Dubai, Bahrain and Las Vegas. Earlier this month, he told US magazine Ebony that he was now living on America's east coast.


Remember the above article? Notice the date of the article is exactly 3 months ago. That covers the 90 day foreclosure period allowed in California before they sell your property. And just as I said earlier, this is not a tax payment that is owed to the county. This is a loan that was taken out using Neverland as collateral.

Now, notice that when this first happened...first went into foreclosure, Raymone is saying here that Michael will not loose the ranch AND that he is IN THE PROCESS OF REFINANCING. Also notice that she is saying that he is in the FINAL STAGES of refinancing his property.

What I think is happening here is this....Michael is being refinanced by another lending institution other than the one currently handling this loan as well as his property. And while he is in that process, he is not going to pay the $25 mil that is owed because he knows that once his loan is finalized, that amount will be included in his refinancing of the entire property. In the meantime, the county records will continue to show that the property has been in foreclosure since November. And now that the 90 day period is up, the county has no choice but to file the necessary document at the courthouse and serve notice on Michael of their plans to include the property in the next county auction. They have to do this just in case he doesn't get his refinancing and never pays the money.

This is a process. And because Michael has started this process, I guarantee you that his lawyers have already contacted the county office and informed them of the refinancing that is going on.

I truly believe that if Michael really wanted to get rid of this property for whatever reason, he would not be trying to refinance it. For what? Why not just sell it? If he did not want it, he could have put it up for sale a long time ago. Obviously, he wants his property.

So I look for this situation to be resolved in the next few weeks. And when Michael is finished with his refinancing and still owns Neverland by the middle of March and we don't see the media out there with cameras filming the auction of Neverland and celebrating the news that Michael has finally lost Neverland, then you can bet that this matter has been resolved.

My prediction is that come middle of March, Michael will still be owner of Neverland, and people like RF will be writing some stupid article about how Ron Burkle loaned Michael the money to pay his debt, but he still owes Fortress $350 mil, blah, blah, blah and he still has no place to live and no money and don't forget the Prince is suing him in London, and by the way, he married Grace this weekend, blah, blah, blah, to be continued! You know how it goes!
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"Michael Jackson, he told me what rock and roll meant," he added. "He said, 'Rock and roll, you know, that means having sex. That's what they used to say back in the '50s: "You ever rock and roll?" ' Chillin' with him, you have a outlook on what Michael Jackson will be like. He still is real proud of being black. A lot of times he's repressed in the media, so you don't think that." ---Will I Am, MTV.com news, 2/2/07
 
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KOPV said:
it would be nice to see MJ fans line up at Neverland surrounding the gates and beyond, (on the day of auction) holding signes.. NEVERLAND WILL ALWAYS BE YOURS... etc.. 'Neverland is a state of mind'.. etc..

MAN I wish I could be in cali at that time.. I would plan and make it happen..

Hope someone will take this idea and DO IT..
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I would go!

It's such a sad story to hear, it's for the best to just wait and see.
As some of you said it before, Michael doesn't LOVE Neverland the way he used to and that's clear since he hasn't lived there in a while; right now I believe the fans are the ones who don't want to let go of the ideals and what Neverland represents (kinda like the Elvis fans feel for Graceland), but if Michael is OK with it, so should we.
 
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cinderella said:
he dosn't need to... he has a lot of cash;)
no, I mean it
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Rich people do not keep cash. They invest in stocks and shares and they buy properties. They use the bank to get credit when they need quick cash. This is what MJ has been doing, but it is very likely someone has been sabbotaging his credit ability so he could be having probem getting the credit he needs. If it is always reported that you can't pay your debts banks may be reluctant to lend money and he may have to seek it from high interest loans.:)
 
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I really do hope neverland does not sell....it wasnt just a property or a house, neverland was michaels home it was a place that he truely loved and I know hes might still feel that way knowing all the wonderful memories he has had there.
I'm not really sure about it be auctioned yet but whatever happens I know its in michaels best interest and that hes happy. so I guess we all just have to wait and see.
 
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Datsymay said:
There is a motive behind it. The motive is to destry MJ's credibility so that he will not be able to get credit from a bank. This is the reason why the media is doing it. The main aim os to get him to sell the catalogue. too bad that is not going to happen now, cause MJ got that very secure. Somebody is paying RF to do this,:huh:
My prime suspect is Rupert Murdock. He is used his world wide media to defame Michael Jackson, He refused to publish anything positive on him. he he a Beatles fan and a best friend of Paul Mc Cartney.
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Yes, I've always suspected him, too. He's on top of my conspiracy list. LOL He owns most of the media around the world, doesn't he??
Maybe MJ should get rid of that catalogue after all...it's like it's... cursed! Maybe he can lift the "curse" by selling it. Most of the media hatred and MJ's troubles started when he got that catalogue. Paul McCartney is like Jesus in the UK media. Actually maybe bigger; you can make fun of Jesus but NOT Paul McCartney, it's a sacrilege! Most recent example is his ex-wife, the media ate her alive accusing her of being a greedy gold-digger (well, maybe she is... but if it was other than Paul, she wouldn't get the horrible treatment she got).
I wish Paul and Mike became friends again actually!
 
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It looks like the person who started this "story" is doing a WEE bit of backtracking. LOL!

I have no idea what will happen, but I KNEW the backtracking would begin sooner or later.
 
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Datsymay said:
Rich people do not keep cash. They invest in stocks and shares and they buy properties. They use the bank to get credit when they need quick cash. This is what MJ has been doing, but it is very likely someone has been sabbotaging his credit ability so he could be having probem getting the credit he needs. If it is always reported that you can't pay your debts banks may be reluctant to lend money and he may have to seek it from high interest loans.:)
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oh, OK... I know;)
 
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Big Apple2 said:
It looks like the person who started this "story" is doing a WEE bit of backtracking. LOL!

I have no idea what will happen, but I KNEW the backtracking would begin sooner or later.
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:lol: isnt that always what happens?
 
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I agree about Murdock. He is the reason why every media person who is connected to him speaks dirt about Michael.

But they can't stop Michael. Michael's legendary success speaks for itself. And that was apparent with the success of T25. You just have to ask yourself, is all of this hate from the media really that effective? I say NO.
 
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Irish Flower said:
ROTFL!!! Why is it anyone's business?? Who gives a crap what fans think. Fans find it embarassing. Who cares what you think. AIN'T NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Again too wrapped up on what the media say and print and what the neighbours think. Superficial. Welcome to the real world. People always have **** to deal with. Michael Jackson is in the public eye so his gets reported on and wild speculation and fabrication gets added on of course. Whatever he decides to do is his business. You would swear it was the end of the world. Good grief put things into perspective. He doesn't owe anybody any statement. I'm sure all the idiots are emailing Raymone.
I just find that so scary and obsessive. This is another person's live, not yours. Will not affect you in any way, shape or form. Michael Jackson ain't dying.

I just hope we don't have a countdown thread to March 19th. What am I saying of course there will. Michael Jackson fans are crazy.
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:clap:Round of applause for this post right here. I too wonder about the sanity of some of michael's fans.

I know raymone probably dreads checking her email.:rofl:

I say we stop going on and on with this doom and gloom and just see what happens.
 
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Lol, oh lord!
Roger Friedman is one relentless, silly mofo.
For those of you suffering from short-term memory loss, this SAME story was reported by the associated press in 2005, 2006, and 2007.
Same sh!t different year.
Neverland isn't going anywhere. Expect this rumor to keep being regurgitated by the media until it actually does get sold, or until the day Michael stops breathing.
Whichever comes first.


Hollaback.
 
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AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
I truly believe that if Michael really wanted to get rid of this property for whatever reason, he would not be trying to refinance it. For what? Why not just sell it? If he did not want it, he could have put it up for sale a long time ago. Obviously, he wants his property.
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good point:)
 
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