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Murray sentencing hearing 29th November-/ UPDATE Judge Pastor Sentences MAXimum Penalty

Thats very true sophielo. but i would like to ask was murder two with a lesser option contemplated or wad it all or nothing. i guess cooley just leaves a bitter taste in your mouth with his supposed feelings about mj
 
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/30/prosecutor-murrays-girlfriend-difficult-to-believe/

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In Session’s Christi Paul and Beth Karas discussed the Dr. Conrad Murray case with prosecutors David Walgren and Debra Brazil in one of the attorneys' first interviews after Murray’s sentencing Tuesday.

During the interview, Paul played a now infamous clip of Murray’s girlfriend, Nicole Alvarez, testifying that her profession as an actor requires her to take care of her “instrument,” meaning - as she said - her “self.”

Brazil said at first she thought Alvarez said she played a musical instrument, and that’s why she asked for clarification. Brazil said Alvarez’s testimony was difficult to believe, and showed that she was interested in the same lifestyle Murray was trying obtain by working for Michael Jackson as his doctor.

Both Walgren and Brazil said they agreed with Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor's decision to sentenced Murray to the maximum of four years in jail.

&#8232;Karas asked Walgren about his reaction to Pastor’s 20-minute “verbal assault” of Murray during the sentencing. Walgren said he wouldn’t characterize it as a verbal assault, but thought the judge was just expressing his feelings about Murray, because he thinks it seemed reasonable to be offended by Murray’s actions.

As for why the prosecution chose to charge Murray with involuntary manslaughter instead of the more serious charge of second-degree murder? Walgren said second-degree murder was considered, but ultimately involuntary manslaughter was chosen as the most appropriate charge in this case.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Thats very true sophielo. but i would like to ask was murder two with a lesser option contemplated or wad it all or nothing. i guess cooley just leaves a bitter taste in your mouth with his supposed feelings about mj
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In interviews yesterday both Walgren and Cooley said murder 2 was contemplated but ultimately decided that IM was the best option.

Oh, and of course Jermaine gives an interview straight after to The Sun. Hardly a surprise.
 
Yes murder two was contemplated but was it contemplated with a lesser charge included?
 
ivy;3548939 said:
http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/30/prosecutor-murrays-girlfriend-difficult-to-believe/

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In Session&#8217;s Christi Paul and Beth Karas discussed the Dr. Conrad Murray case with prosecutors David Walgren and Debra Brazil in one of the attorneys' first interviews after Murray&#8217;s sentencing Tuesday.

During the interview, Paul played a now infamous clip of Murray&#8217;s girlfriend, Nicole Alvarez, testifying that her profession as an actor requires her to take care of her &#8220;instrument,&#8221; meaning - as she said - her &#8220;self.&#8221;

Brazil said at first she thought Alvarez said she played a musical instrument, and that&#8217;s why she asked for clarification. Brazil said Alvarez&#8217;s testimony was difficult to believe, and showed that she was interested in the same lifestyle Murray was trying obtain by working for Michael Jackson as his doctor.

Both Walgren and Brazil said they agreed with Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor's decision to sentenced Murray to the maximum of four years in jail.

&#8232;Karas asked Walgren about his reaction to Pastor&#8217;s 20-minute &#8220;verbal assault&#8221; of Murray during the sentencing. Walgren said he wouldn&#8217;t characterize it as a verbal assault, but thought the judge was just expressing his feelings about Murray, because he thinks it seemed reasonable to be offended by Murray&#8217;s actions.

As for why the prosecution chose to charge Murray with involuntary manslaughter instead of the more serious charge of second-degree murder? Walgren said second-degree murder was considered, but ultimately involuntary manslaughter was chosen as the most appropriate charge in this case.
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:rollin: @ ''I thought she was referring to the fact that she may play an instrument''

Hilarious. On another note Ms Brazil has stripper Alvarey all figured out (hardly surprising though)

Sophielo;3548948 said:
In interviews yesterday both Walgren and Cooley said murder 2 was contemplated but ultimately decided that IM was the best option.

Oh, and of course Jermaine gives an interview straight after to The Sun. Hardly a surprise.
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Yeah they said that, Walgren in the interview again said that they spent months to decide on which charge to go by, as much as it hurts to admit it I guess IVM was the right charge. Cooley is still ^&%^%^ up though.
 
They should have asked brazil about when nicole said i didnt want to see the rehearsals cause i was gonna go and see the show! that was a classic moment
 
elusive moonwalker said:
They should have asked brazil about when nicole said i didnt want to see the rehearsals cause i was gonna go and see the show! that was a classic moment
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yeah she probably would of asked Michael if she could play her "instrument" for him. :lmao: :ninja:
 
Petrarose said:
Now Flanny thinks the doc was a mistake. I am sure they encouraged Muarry to do it, and he should sue them for giving him bad advice, which gave the judge more ammunition to sentence him. If the attorneys thought the doc was a mistake and illadvised, they would have acted more professionally in it. Rather they acted as though they were all members in it together. Maybe with the exception of Chernoff who walked out.
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They were all so obviously in it together, if anything, I would think if anyone would have been "reluctant" to have been on it, it would have been Murray (although I find that highly unlikely too, given his personality), seeing as he had the least to gain from it and it was basically entirely at his expense. Chernoff and Flanagan knew it was a sh*t idea and definitely NOT in the best interest of their client, but like Flanny himself said, the documentary helped pay for the defence expenses (no doubt his own expenses are included under this--I don't believe for one moment he'd be some sort of philanthropist lawyer who works for free and defends justice or whatever).

Chernoff was also totally for it. The reason he walked out was because he was pissed at Flanagan disrespecting him, not because he disagreed with the principles behind the documentary. If either of them were REALLY against it, they would have done what Murray's driver did and request MSNBC not air the segments which included either of them. Quite evidently, this was not the case, and they don't seem to think the money/spoiling they got from MSNBC (I hear they got free lunches and rides to court)was a bad idea.

Of course, they must have seen how it presented Murray (as a f--ing lunatic), and yet neither of them did anything to prevent its airing or attempt to remedy the situation. In fact, none of them have done absolutely anything at all to help their client, save for paying him a bit of lip service here and there. It's been painfully obvious Chernoff and Flanagan were only thinking of what was best for Chernoff and Flanagan when they went into this, much like Murray himself (in a deservedly ironic twist).

I think the only one who truly gave a half-hearted crap about Murray is Baldy, seeing as he's the one who's done the most as far as constructive ways to help his client.

I thought it was hilarious that Piers Morgan played the segment where Murray's dissing Flanagan in the MSNBC doc when Flanagan was being interviewed--just the look on his face was priceless. Despite his words, you can tell he hasn't quite forgiven him for that public humiliation.

If I were Murray, I'd sue the entire defence team for doing a truly p*ss poor and careless job. While on the one hand it is true the case was nearly impossible to defend due to the gross extent of the violations Murray committed, it is also painfully (well, for me, gleefully) clear the bloke got some truly awful advice in regards to what to do from both Chernoff and Flanagan. Flanagan wanted to put him on the stand for Walgren to crucify and subsequently fry to a crisp, Chernoff convinced him not to talk at his sentencing, which basically allowed for the only input from him being his thoroughly damning MSNBC interview.
 
I just read the prob report im shocked to read that katherine stated she never met CM in the hospital the day michael died!! WOW

He lied about that too then... He said he comfort the kids that day. Not true! she said./

WOW

edit: also his nicoles adress is there ;)
 
Ingelief said:
I just read the prob report im shocked to read that katherine stated she never met CM in the hospital the day michael died!! WOW

He lied about that too then... He said he comfort the kids that day. Not true! she said./

WOW

edit: also his nicoles adress is there ;)
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I figure that was a lie and I called it such when Murray's interview was played. That's was one of the few things that I believed Toya on.

Murray is a liar. He can't even tell the truth about the small, almost none important things. Like, did he really needed to tell the lie about bodyguards and the bathroom?
 
I think Jermain is that person who always use others results and works instead of his own. It's his agenda. He's just onlooker who's never satisfyed of what others have done. He could never do a great job himself 'cuz prefers to lament and kick against others.
You should be greatful for what you have Jermain. Especially in view of that fact you actualy haven't done anything by yourself.
 
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As much I hate "The Sun". I'm happt with Jermaine says about Michael and the whole trial. He knows and we know the the truth about that Michael desperately wanted to sleep.
 
PoP said:
As much I hate "The Sun". I'm happt with Jermaine says about Michael and the whole trial. He knows and we know the the truth about that Michael desperately wanted to sleep.
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Too bad he won't tell or say that to the rest of his family who thinks Michael was a hardcore addict.
 
I admit Chernoff's speech during the sentencing made me LOL.



LMAO. Wal-Mart.

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OOOH, KAWAII DESU NE?!!?
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after all this is said and done,,to hear Murray say in that interview that he doesn't feel guilty that Michael is dead.,,,is like driving a knife right through the hearts of those that loved Michael....this guy has NO remorse whatsoever...and I really hope that when he dies and meets his maker,,,that God has something very special in store for Conrad Murray. I am glad that Pastor came down on him as hard as he did and chewed his ass up for 26 minutes...hope what Pasture was saying made Murray feel like the piece of shit that he is,,,but it probably didn't,,,because as he said with his own mouth,,,he doesn't feel anything. What a waste of human life Murray is,
 
^^ I could almost accept murray saying in the doc that he didn't feel guilt, as it was filmed before the verdict and presumably he was still hoping for a not guilty. But in the interview with Guthrie, i think it was, she asked if he regretted leaving the room on the 25th, as this is the whole basis of murray's story that mj killed himself with prop whilst alone in the bedroom, and murray just hesitated and said, i regret mj died!! Regret doesn't imply guilt, there was nothing to prevent him saying that he wished he hadn't left the room, and yet he couldn't bring himself to even do that. I think in that documentary he also said his standards were 'impeccable' - wish walgren had repeated that. The man will resolutely not accept he did ANYthing wrong - no wonder pastor was so incredulous at him.
 
^Objectively looking at things, I could almost accept that if he had rounded up the guts to explain this during his sentencing and give an honest and heartfelt reflection upon those very words, expressing his remorse over his own inappropriate actions which caused the death of Michael Jackson on 6/25/2009. Looking at things coldly, this would have most certainly been in his best interest in regards to sentencing. Looking at this through the eyes of a fan, while in no way excusing his actions, hearing this from him would have at least somehow humanized him a bit. It is clear he did not mean to kill Michael, and while his actions were truly beyond the very scope of reason and of paramount recklessness and disregard, expressing regret over the circumstances is a million times less heinous than stoically sitting there saying there's no guilt or remorse and sending chills down our collective spine.

Looking at this analytically (as in, through the eyes of a defence attorney), it makes sense that he say nothing if he plans on appealing. That's the little picture. The big picture, however, is the fact that any hopes of a successful appeal are microscopic and thoroughly delusional, and that admitting remorse in an attempt to reduce the sentencing is what would have been in the client's best interest.

But it is clear no one from the defence is capable of stringing together one rational thought or phrase, much less a rational and realistic course of action.
 
I've been thinking of why did didn't charge Murray with Murder 2, could it be because in murder 2 they would have had to prove Murray is the one who gave the lethal dose? If that is the case than it is very hard to prove that in this case beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
abigaillovesmj said:
I've been thinking of why did didn't charge Murray with Murder 2, could it be because in murder 2 they would have had to prove Murray is the one who gave the lethal dose? If that is the case than it is very hard to prove that in this case beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Dr Shafer proved in 2 different ways that there was a drip. So who else other than Murray ??

I don't understand either, because I'm having a hard time understanding murder 2. Could it be because they had to prove that he knew about the risk ?
 
Severus Snape said:
^Objectively looking at things, I could almost accept that if he had rounded up the guts to explain this during his sentencing and give an honest and heartfelt reflection upon those very words, expressing his remorse over his own inappropriate actions which caused the death of Michael Jackson on 6/25/2009. Looking at things coldly, this would have most certainly been in his best interest in regards to sentencing. Looking at this through the eyes of a fan, while in no way excusing his actions, hearing this from him would have at least somehow humanized him a bit. It is clear he did not mean to kill Michael, and while his actions were truly beyond the very scope of reason and of paramount recklessness and disregard, expressing regret over the circumstances is a million times less heinous than stoically sitting there saying there's no guilt or remorse and sending chills down our collective spine.

Looking at this analytically (as in, through the eyes of a defence attorney), it makes sense that he say nothing if he plans on appealing. That's the little picture. The big picture, however, is the fact that any hopes of a successful appeal are microscopic and thoroughly delusional, and that admitting remorse in an attempt to reduce the sentencing is what would have been in the client's best interest.

But it is clear no one from the defence is capable of stringing together one rational thought or phrase, much less a rational and realistic course of action.
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the bolded part...and to me that is it in a nutshell....he expresses NO remorse..and he takes NO responsibility for killing Michael. Maybe I wouldn't hate him IF he was man enough to stand up and say,,,"it was a terrible accident"....but no...he is to much of a coward to even say that. and THAT is why imo...MJ fans have so much hatred towards him, Now please understand I dont use the word "hate" loosely,,,at all. I actually dont think I have ever hated anyone in my entire life...now..dislike,,yes...but to hate,,,no I haven't. Murray is the first person to make me actually have that in me,,and I dont like it...I am working on that. He really does have some very bad mental issues if he can continue to fool HIMSELF into thinking that he had nothing to do with Michael's death, He surely cannot fool anyone else.
 
Severus Snape said:
^Objectively looking at things, I could almost accept that if he had rounded up the guts to explain this during his sentencing and give an honest and heartfelt reflection upon those very words, expressing his remorse over his own inappropriate actions which caused the death of Michael Jackson on 6/25/2009. Looking at things coldly, this would have most certainly been in his best interest in regards to sentencing. Looking at this through the eyes of a fan, while in no way excusing his actions, hearing this from him would have at least somehow humanized him a bit. It is clear he did not mean to kill Michael, and while his actions were truly beyond the very scope of reason and of paramount recklessness and disregard, expressing regret over the circumstances is a million times less heinous than stoically sitting there saying there's no guilt or remorse and sending chills down our collective spine.

Looking at this analytically (as in, through the eyes of a defence attorney), it makes sense that he say nothing if he plans on appealing. That's the little picture. The big picture, however, is the fact that any hopes of a successful appeal are microscopic and thoroughly delusional, and that admitting remorse in an attempt to reduce the sentencing is what would have been in the client's best interest.

But it is clear no one from the defence is capable of stringing together one rational thought or phrase, much less a rational and realistic course of action.
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amazing post :) and the last sentence made me LOL
 
can someone give me a link to the document where katherine states that muarry never talked to them at the hospital ??
thanks in advence
 
@ xthunder : I feel the same. He made me angry during the trial with his attitude, I was not really surprised by the documentary. For the first time in my life, I was happy to see someone handcuffed in front of cameras. It brought some sense of relief to me.
 
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