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Murray Trial - 30 September - Day 4 - Discussion

elusive moonwalker said:
plus the jug full of urine on the side of the bed unless murray is gonna say that jug was sat ther for 3 days.so mj must have been under alot through the night as i think it was pretty full. things like this i want the pros to bring out and make a big deal of. i guess it will be later but im inpaitent
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if that urine had sat there for 3 days,,,with all those meds Michael was getting that room would of stunk...old Urine has a bad Oder.
 
twinklEE said:
it's really weird to know that Murray was touching michael's groin area pretending to find a pulse.
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Particularly as it drew attention to the catheter...you'd think he'd want to keep attention away from that......
 
twinklEE said:
it's really weird to know that Murray was touching michael's groin area pretending to find a pulse.
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I'm no medical person but I believe there's a major vein around the groin area and it's better suitable to hear a weak pulse rather than a smaller vein. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable medically can help us here?
 
maybe murray was trying to get rid of the catherter? just a thought
 
ivy said:
I'm no medical person but I believe there's a major vein around the groin area and it's better suitable to hear a weak pulse rather than a smaller vein. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable medically can help us here?
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yeah your right ivy thats what was said
 
wonder what defence the blady will use for the medic saying he saw the lidocane being picked up. i guess that was his wallet and glasses aswell. thats what i call defending a killer. thats what makes me sick.
 
apparently lidocaine is used for preparing a patient your giving propofol to. As propofol hurts they use lidocaine to mask the hurt.
 
ivy said:
I'm no medical person but I believe there's a major vein around the groin area and it's better suitable to hear a weak pulse rather than a smaller vein. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable medically can help us here?
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I think you're right Ivy, thx for clearing it up.


Court is back
Grogiant is doing cross now
 
ivy said:
I'm no medical person but I believe there's a major vein around the groin area and it's better suitable to hear a weak pulse rather than a smaller vein. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable medically can help us here?
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Yeah, it's the femoral artery.
 
baldy is going onto michael's appearance, the emt is doing the same as the previous one just agreeing with 'yes sir' constantly
 
good responce. in 2009 airways were most important. even if its changed now when baldy is saying chest compression are the most important

whats the PEA comment is that good or bad?

witness stood down.

rachele copper ucla dr is up

i wonder where tim lopez is. hope he aint done another runner
 
yes but defence got one point when he stated he heard MJ was down 1 min and was as sure as he never heard Murray admit to giving MJ lorazepan which the other paramedic stated Murray had said was given to MJ.
 
So what if he wasn't hiding the vials, he didn't tell the EMTs that he was administering lidocaine (? was that it?) to Michael.

New witness: Richelle Cooper
 
I think redirect just asked how many people were performing CPR on dr Murray :/
Also that dr Murray didn't state that Michael was down for one minute prior to their arrival, but for one minute prior to the 911 call, that's the strategy, and the EMT said he didn't hear the last part.
 
I'm not sure if that's good or bad maybe someone with more knowledge knows this?
 
It seems to me that Blount and Seniff contradicted each other in terms of the PEA, am I right? Is that bad?
 
yeah can someone explain the PEA thing. tbh i dont think mixing things up by the medic matters. its not like they are in a conspiracy with alberto etc. baldy stopped his questions pretty quick so it was either really good or really bad for him

Also, dr Murray didn't state that Michael was down for one minute prior to their arrival, but for one minute prior to the 911 call, that's the strategy, and the EMT said he didn't hear the last part.
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one minute prior to the phonecall is a lie aswell as we know from murrays phonecalls to michael amir etc. mj went down at midday at the latest. thats 20 mins b4 the call
 
Overall the paramedics were good because they all feel that Murray saying Michael went down a minute go doesn't seem right. They are professionals and looking and feeling Michael. That's their job and they have no reason to be biased etc. They all said no mention of propofol.
 
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