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Murray Trial - 5 October - Day 7 - Discussion

willbe said:
I would like to ask a question?
did the prosecution needed to get consent from the family before releasing the tape?
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Nope. It's considered evidence. The judge is the only person who can deny evidence to be seen and or heard and that's generally done based on the relevance of the evidence, not whether or not the family approves or might be disturbed.

The judge's only concern is to make sure the defendant and victim are getting due process; at least that's supposed to be the judge's role as we know some seriously fail at this.

Three cheers for Judge Michael E. Pastor. I think he's doing a great job in this case. He takes no foolishness but is still kinda cool; pleasant...imo.
 
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twinklEE said:
some bottles were prescribed to him in 2008 and he still had them, so there's no way he was popping pills just for the heck of it.
I had to take some of the meds MJ took as well, and if u'd see my nightstand it's full of it, but just like with michael some of the stuff was prescribed to me months/years ago
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you and me both 13 different med a day. But I don't drink alcohol either, i'm allergic to the yeast in it. I have to struggles to breath daily. I practically live in a bubble.
 
About the tape...yeah it's extremely weird how it just starts randomly out of nowhere. Seems like Murray began recording while Michael was expressing himself. If it was to be a note to himself about sedation time, I'd have expected Murray to then say the amount of time it took for Michael to go down on the tape...like researchers make notes as they are conducting research.

What also struck me is that it seems the defense wants ppl to believe Murray met MJ in that state. Yet, all testimony, thus far, indicates that Murray would come to the house at night and stay til morning. So whatever condition Michael was in at 9:05am Murray most likely put him in that state during the night. Nicole said he left at night and came home in the morning. Security and Kai Chase testified that Murray arrived at night and left in the morning. No one has testified, that I can remember, that Murray ever arrived at Carolwood in the mornings to work.

The defense has been trying to use the unknown to their advantage when they can, however, they seem to forget between facts and common sense, some things can be ruled out.
 
I' ve seen it.:cry::cry::cry:

The most shocking thing about this picture is that he looks alone, abandoned somehow.
I know he wasn't alone but still he looks that way and the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness is overwhelming.

Bless you dear Michael :heart:
 
claudiadoina said:
I' ve seen it.:cry::cry::cry:

The most shocking thing about this picture is that he looks alone, abandoned somehow.
I know he wasn't alone but still he looks that way and the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness is overwhelming.

Bless you dear Michael :heart:
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Is it the picture that was shown the first day or another one?
 
I take 7 meds for my liver infection. It's just normal now days to take a lot of pills, that's what the drug companies are there to do... make money by selling ton of different drugs. What I see that MJ used was normal for his medical health.
What I don't understand is americas policy in giving out the drugs. First off, in my country NO ONE could order any medication to a home address. That is just impossible and illigal. And those people that are treated in homes have a regular meating with doctors and nurses who come at spesific time of the day WITH the drugs to persons home. Heavy drugs are never kept home of a patient.
It's not just Murray I'm angry with, I would like to see america change their medical policy too in conserning drug distripution.
 
Can someone pm me that link of that picture? Cant find it on google
 
From what I read here, some of the media twist things again. Some of the meds came from the nightstand, the rest were either empty or part of Murray's stock. Only 3 were prescribed by other doctors. The way Walgren placed everything on the table, everything : medication & medical equipment was very impressive and shocking. And only one blood pressure cuff , that was not used, and a small cheap pulse oxymeter.
Some will say it makes Michael look bad, but how does that make Murray look ?

One thing I was thinking is that the prosecution did not make it clear enough when Murray put the bags in the closet. During the prelim I think one of the paramedics said they had to wait for Murray, I don't think they said that during the trial, did they ?
 
About the tape...yeah it's extremely weird how it just starts randomly out of nowhere. Seems like Murray began recording while Michael was expressing himself. If it was to be a note to himself about sedation time, I'd have expected Murray to then say the amount of time it took for Michael to go down on the tape...like researchers make notes as they are conducting research.

What also struck me is that it seems the defense wants ppl to believe Murray met MJ in that state. Yet, all testimony, thus far, indicates that Murray would come to the house at night and stay til morning. So whatever condition Michael was in at 9:05am Murray most likely put him in that state during the night. Nicole said he left at night and came home in the morning. Security and Kai Chase testified that Murray arrived at night and left in the morning. No one has testified, that I can remember, that Murray ever arrived at Carolwood in the mornings to work.

The defense has been trying to use the unknown to their advantage when they can, however, they seem to forget between facts and common sense, some things can be ruled out.
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I believe HLN said the recording lasted 4 minutes . Someone here said they were told MJ said very unlfattering things about the Jackson$ on it!!! so what we heard was not really the full tape.


I want to say one thing and I know many r going to say we should trust the prosecutors.

What would it have costed the prosecutors to ask the computer expert to read Murray's records ? Insomnia that what was mentioned in those records , he was suffering from insomnia . When r they really going to address that issue?

Regarding the meds and how were they displayed .

Why did not he place the drugs MJ was taking before Murray started using propofol in one place and all the stocks of meds given by him in another place so the jurors and everyone watching could see for themselves why MJ's health deteriorated once this man started treating him at his house?

MJ is a victim and should be potrayed as a victim , Walgren does not seem to care !!!

Maybe when Lee, and Dr.Slavit take the stand the prosecution will address this issue. If I were Walgern I would have made it known that Jackson was in great shape before this man entered the picture, especially when I had the coroner's report stating the guy was in excellent health.

Chernoff is saying MJ was an addict beyond help, why did Walgren make it easy for him ? (yes I agree the way the bottles were displayed was really very incriminating to Murray)

Let people compare and determine themselves instead of giving the impression MJ was taking all those drugs. I just pray his kids did not watch yesterday's proceedings.
 
Yeah the medic didnt say that. all he said was that murray came down about a minute later.yet in the prelim reports it was said he testifyed that they had to wait for murray till he come back downstairs. maybe just media reports or did he say that in the transcript and the pros didnt push the fact?
 
Walgren stated only three bottles were prescribed by other drs. metzger who will testify and klien. everything else came from murray. i see no issues with the way walgren handled it. he even made a point of saying the meds were written out in mjs name or omar.to show no dr shopping.

what mattered was that albertos and the medics testimony was confirmed interms of murray putting drugs into the blue/black bag and hiding it. there was also the other bag aswell. which im not sure if the medics or alberto mentioned? but murray was obviously filing that ba g up aswell in the time the medics left the room.that is the major evidence of the day
 
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About the meds and medical records and how they were used by Walgren : the witnesses yesterday were just here to explain where things were found (where in MJ's house, on Murray's Iphone). Now that these items are entered into evidence, they will probably get other qualified experts to talk about them.

I hope & think Walgren is going to expose the defense lies (ie "Murray didn't know what he was dealing with") and use the medical records found on his I phone that show he did know. I'm sure experts will testify as to what they think of Murray's prescriptions.

Does anyone know if Alan Metzger is going to testify ?

Now I wouldn't expect a step by step break down of everything that happened on June 25th or before. Walgren is not here to defend Michael, he's here to get Murray convicted. Though he did do a good job "humanising" Michael, and showing great aspects of his personality.
If the prosecution manages to explain everything, then that's great. But don't expect too much of this. I'm not sure it's scientifically possible, and I don't want people on this board being disappointed.
 
Maybe all of those over at HLN and the rest that write about this trial should go home and open their medicine locker or wherever they store their medicine. Put it out on a table and have look.. I took a look at mine and I had some pills from 2002.. just saying. And I have a lot of stuff in my little same box that was on Michael's nightstand, it's full, but I don't use it, just when I need it.

And when he had flareups from lupus and when his vitiligo got worse (which it did when he's stressed) he had to take more medication, and vitiligo can be painful too. And he did take painkillers for his back when he was dancing a lot.

He wasn't an addict. I've pills for insomnia and if someone would wake me up from those when I take them I have no idea how I would sound, but I can imagine.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Yeah the medic didnt say that. all he said was that murray came down about a minute later.yet in the prelim reports it was said he testifyed that they had to wait for murray till he come back downstairs. maybe just media reports or did he say that in the transcript and the pros didnt push the fact?
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Thanks, again, for that. Yes the prosecution should have pushed that. But one minute is enough time to put the bags in the closet. I hope the jury noticed.
 
Yes metzger is on the defence witness list. he was one of the ppl the pros filed motions about to stop or limit testimony.along with klien etc. Im not sure if hes on the pros witness list. i believe the defence wanted to use him to say mj asked him about diprivan around the same time metzger prescribed sleeping pills i think around the end of april
 
bouee said:
Thanks, again, for that. Yes the prosecution should have pushed that. But one minute is enough time to put the bags in the closet. I hope the jury noticed.
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if the jury didnt notice the info about the bags and make the connection between alberto and the medics testimony and the bags then being found with all the things alberto and the medics said was in them hidden in the cupboard theres no hope for us!
 
Can someone post a link to a transcript of the audiotape? Due to time zone differences I missed most of the testimony, and I am not sure I can handle listening to the audio itself.
 
Guys, can I ask what might be a daft question? Do all the horrendous things that CM has done count towards convicting him of the charge or does the charge only relate to what happened on the day Michael passed?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I just think that there should be more or greater charges based on what we are hearing.

Also, thanks so much for all the updates during the trial, I can't always get to watch it so I'm really grateful to you all.
 
MJnun said:
I take 7 meds for my liver infection. It's just normal now days to take a lot of pills, that's what the drug companies are there to do... make money by selling ton of different drugs. What I see that MJ used was normal for his medical health.
What I don't understand is americas policy in giving out the drugs. First off, in my country NO ONE could order any medication to a home address. That is just impossible and illigal. And those people that are treated in homes have a regular meating with doctors and nurses who come at spesific time of the day WITH the drugs to persons home. Heavy drugs are never kept home of a patient.

There are tons of drug companies online that will sell them to you, some with a perscription and some don not require a percription. However, that are not class 1V meds such as alprazalom, lorazapam, etc. you will neeed to get those from your doctor and the will give you a scription first. Canada is really big on seeling a lot o stuff and theres also some companies in Inia who sell them, such as blood pressure meds and they are less expensive for the common folks to afford.
Although, I have several doctors, (specialist) to treat me for anxiety, and blood pressure pressure, I also have a respiratory specialist for asthma coz I never know when or what will trigger it. Every year I end up in ER for a brething problem Needless to say, I can't work much due to the asthma as I taught elementary school and the kids are always sick, then I get what they get since my immune system is very low.:doh:
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