Jabberwock Jackson
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Just when I think the Jacksons can't get any worse they do something like this. My heart breaks more for Michael everyday.
yeah i was just thinking about that. Remember oxman saying they were walkibg with murrays lawyer. they prob have a deal goin on wouldnt be surprised if murray ends up testifying for them. i can believe this its the final insult.It was Murray's lawyers who gave the emails from AEG to Murray to the family which is the based for most of the lawsuit. They even encourage it to happen, so I would not be surprise if Murray cooperate in some way to reduce his sentence and take away the guilt from himself for history sake. I knew they didn't care, but I thought they wouldn't be so bold to spit in the face of the DA who fought tooth and nail for their dead son. I guess Michael's life can be reduce to a paycheck in the end. Justice my ass.
Tell me I have read that wrong. (orig. post)I think I agree. I don't know and didn't check the legal rules but I think the damages they can get is pretty much set - such as the TII income loss for $100 Million - and if the judge put that responsibility on Murray they would have had hard time getting anything from AEG.
I seriously wish to be wrong on this because it's so disappointing if that's the case.
And my thing is this: If the fans can see this, why can't they??
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Why in hell would the Jacksons wanna withdraw to seek restitution from Conrad Murray?
Surely it's more to it than they think they won't be able to win a suit against AEG. I don't get it.
And my thing is this: If the fans can see this, why can't they??
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wait wait.... michael's parents have said no thank you to money for mjs kids, because that would make it more difficult for them (joe and kat that is) to get money from aeg?
did i get that right?
The bigger factor is this now allows Murray to profit off from Michael's death after his release. regardless of who would get the restitution. With restitution Legally any profit Murray made would be earmarked to be paid to Katherine Paris Prince Blanket and possibly the estate. But now Unless Joe wins his civil suit against him Murray he will be free to profit - Plus this money will be for Joe .. not PPB
I think that once AGAIN, this family has had very bad advice (and no, that doesn't excuse their behavior), and this has Oxman written all over it. I see there is a move to disbar Oxman from practicing law? Too LATE, IMHO.
I'm thinking now that the "unthinkable" is possible, that they may have made, through Oxman, some sort of DEAL with Murray, to spill what they THINK he knows about AEG? (and given that Murray is incapable of telling the truth, I'm sure he'll make up fables for the Jacksons, just to wiggle out of having to pay restitution)
From Murray, the Jacksons would have had nothing monetary, pretty sure (or just a little bit), but they WOULD have had the kind of justice that would prevent him from EVER profiting from Michael's death. Somehow, they still cling to the notion that they can profit from -- AEG? Good freakin' LUCK! (not)
I think they have now shot themselves in every available foot. They aren't going to see a dime from AEG, IMHO.
With the AEG lawsuit, mostly it is the family that benefits (and primarily, Joseph).
After seeing Murray lawsuit and the information we got , I too think that the AEG lawsuit got a lot weaker. Still there's no way to determine the outcome but I think AEG has a good chance of winning it.
I think AEG has a VERY good chance of winning. They must have the ultimate "war-chest" to fight this lawsuit. Sadly, so often civil suits depend on the financial "staying-power" of the litigants. In this case, AEG clearly has the resources to drag this out until Armageddon, and beyond. Plus, Murray's credibility is zero, after the trial, so any testimony of his will be suspect.
A key point will be WHO, under the law, was Murray's employer, and how much responsibility do the various parties bear? I think Murray comes under the heading of "private contractor?" Doesn't that make it much less likely AEG would be found culpable?
I can tell you this much. they will not drag this one out. The trial is set for mid -September and it's expected to be 6-7 weeks. So we will have this trial over by the end of this year - unless of course parties start asking for delays.
When they asked for a stay in Lloyds lawsuit, AEG acknowledged that Katherine's lawsuit was a lot more important for them. They said that they are facing millions of dollars in liability if they lost the KJ lawsuit - probably the $100 M restitution amount. They also said that they hired a firm and had prepared 2 million pages of documents. To media statements they say they have no desire to settle.
I think for the Katherine lawsuit AEG will put a hell of a fight. I think they have no reason to accept any responsibility for Michael's death - through a settlement and /or want to pay millions due to it.
I think Jacksons "AEG selected and hired Murray" claims are pretty much out the window.
I think AEG is also okay in regards to murray's credentials because their contract includes a clause that says Murray is required to get all the necessary licences and permits and insurance and so on. It's not like they were hiring a random person from the street or having low standards, they required all the necessary certifications.
With Murray's established lying to everyone, it would also give the AEG the defense of "we didn't know, murray told us Michael was fine".
To me Ortega's email and Dileo's voice mail shows that "they didn't care" claim is also gone. AEG could easily counter that as "we did care but Murray told us he was fine" defense.
I think "not see Klein" and mention of Klein to Murray will turn out to be true but that would also show that AEG suspected Klein and not Murray. Remember Dileo's voicemail asking Murray to do blood tests to find out what Michael was taking. It clearly shows that they didn't suspect Murray to be the one to drug Michael.
The hiring part is still could go either way. Oral agreement, ongoing negotiations, Murray notifying them that he started his services, the contract starting from May are to the advantage of Katherine but the fact that it was not signed and that he was an independent contractor would be to the advantage of AEG.
Still you can never guess how a jury will decide.
I'll try to be clear here on my position, though.
AEG's responsibility was to the ARTIST. To Michael. Regardless of whatever doctor he may or may not have "wanted," I do think that in an ethical sense (and maybe a legal sense, too) they had an obligation to investigate the doctor's credentials, thoroughly. If they had, they would have found (probably) the complaint of "abandonment" against him, as brought out by the prosecution. Of abandoning a patient in the hospital, and being unreachable for many hours. They may also have found his arrest for domestic abuse, his sketchy money-management skills, and other unsavory factors.
There was also that alarming email, posted HERE and thoroughly discussed, where Murray was requesting a "CPR machine" and additional staffing. That should have been a major red-flag, but somehow. . it wasn't. So I do think the email exchanges will be significant.
The factor of WHO was employing Murray is just not clear. AEG was fronting Michael's living expenses -- rent, household staff, etc. It also looks very much like they were to pay Murray, to be reimbursed by Michael from TII proceeds. That area seems murky to me, i.e. if salary is a LOAN, who is really the "employer?" Also murky is the contract. There WAS a contract, but only Murray had signed it.
If the Jackson's side tries to call Karen Faye as a witness, good luck with that? (NOT) She has given so many versions of the "truth," that she has no credibility at all.
You know I would like to be able to defend against your claim. But Latoya was trying to do just that in the middle of the trial. Claiming Dr was just a scapegooat and someone else commited the murder. Now to be fair not all Jacksons supported her claims but still - Even now she claims the same and her motive for doing that is very transparent. She would like people to belive Murray is just a scapegoat of that crime in order to secure ther suite against AEG and her claims against Branca - She now has even stated Randy Phillips was at the house the evening MJ died and "implied" he did the deed. Its discusting _ I can no longer find a reason to defend this familyU know what if the jacksons could have stopped murray from being charged in order to help their lawsuit then going by this u can bet they would have tried
Can I just go over some points> Not do disagree with you personally but to show how AEG might counter some points.
Although I agree his support payments and domestic abuse speaks about his character , it doesn't make him or anyone a bad doctor. I don't think it would be enough reason to not hire him. His abandonment is more relevant however not that serious either. The most relevant thing is that there's no medical malpractice - at least filed , or no discipline etc against him. So I agree that Murray wasn't the best doctor with the squeaky clean past but he was not the terrible unhireable doctor either. In other words I don't think if anyone looked to Murray's history could have said "oh he's a danger to Michael" or "he would put Michael at danger".
You know I agreed with that concern initially but my stand a little changed after I realized that the receiver of that emails were Kathy Jorrie - AEG's contract lawyer. So I have several questions now which is
1) is it reasonable to expect a lawyer to understand what medical those machines/ staffing are for and have concerns? Is it possible that she didn't have a clue especially she testified that Murray told her that Michael was in perfect health multiple times? she also testified that Murray told her that it was for use at the venue
2) were they even in a stage to think about those machines if they were intended for London?
Also isn't a CPR machine irrelevant to Propofol administration? I mean couldn't they look to it and think " oh Murray wants this to be at hand because he's afraid that a 50 year old MJ could have a heart attack after he performed vigorously for 2 hours". ?
yep that's the murky part. Karen Faye also told us that she was being paid by AEG but such expenses were coming out from Michael's share. It seems like Michael was the employer and AEG was the financier.
oh I think we know that Karen will be on the witness stand and she won't hide this time.