New Unreleased MJ Track "Opis None" = Remix of "Destiny"

I insisted that we couldnt blame Katherine for that, but many of fans here... thought opposite....

and... Jackie called the remake/remix OPUS None, not OPIS...
 
I insisted that we couldnt blame Katherine for that, but many of fans here... thought opposite....

and... Jackie called the remake/remix OPUS None, not OPIS...

Well I guess a lot of people couldn't believe somebody could write " ..... from Katherine"
without her being supportive of it. Especially considering she is appariantly partners with these people.

Now we know who the real 'bad' guys are and that they are using the family name to work out their own agenda.
 
I had a feeling Katherine and the boys were not behind all this "fake MJ vocals" BS.

Their statements on Twitter have proven that. However, I do think there is someone in the Jackson camp trying to screw the "Michael" project over and I've had no doubts about this person for a long time now.....

Joseph Jackson.

Think about it. He CONTINUES to fight the estate in court for control over the estate. He wants money, he wants control. He doesn't give a shit about Michael or his legacy. He wants control because he knows Michael is a cash cow. Joe never could control his money. That's why he always made business deals for the boys thinking they were great ideas.

I sincerely believe Joe is behind all this, and needs to be investigated.


Thats excatly what i was thinking!

And think bout it guys- over the years he kept pushing mj to do a j5 reuion constantly and mj always said no. He only said yes for the 30th annivarsy show which i think he did it mainly for mrs jackson.

Joesph has only ever thought bout "j5 being back together- j5 being bck together" and i think that really ticked mike off
 
I knew it, I knew Katherine wasn't behind this. Many of you fans should apologize...

I insisted that we couldnt blame Katherine for that, but many of fans here... thought opposite....

here here!! i agree i was sure it wasnt her somethin seemed up but his own mother no...maybe thatl teach us to wait until we have the FACTS!! x
 
apologize? the fans? for what? LOL! no way.

katharine should apologize for having such bad people around her.
 
Not only for that but also for putting michaels children into the spotlight and talking to OPRAH! thats HER fault. she is their LEGAL GUARDIAND!!!!! NOONE ELSE!!!
 
Have to agree, the family aren't victims here, this is just the latest in dodgy happenings that seem to follow them wherever they go. If Katherine didn't associate with such dodgy people, they wouldn't be able to attach her name somewhat authentically to anything right? I'm not blaming Katherine at all, I think she is being guided and manipulated. I'm not sure why everything has to be so freaking fragmented with them all! After all they have Michael's children in the middle of everything here! It's very hard to accept and not be extremely worried.
 
I'm not blaming Katherine at all, I think she is being guided and manipulated.
I agree with this. I think she is being manipulated and the fact that she is getting very old now doesn't help either.
 
I say this with respect and love to you all here... PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!! In a million years no one would ever permitt themselves to bring out a song under Katherine's name with a personal message to fans if it wasen't true!! If it was the case Katherine could sue for deformation, cause this has caused wrong to her reputation, so she would have a case... but we all know she won't do it cause she's the one who agreed to sending the song out, and after seeing the reaction of fans she got scared (with the bad rep, and boycotts of Jermaine's album and Jackie's single) seeing that the damage was done with the media and non fans, she took it back and is now making herself look like the victim once again!

I for one will not apologize for what I said, cause I know she's behind the song release, she's behind the sabotage of "Breaking News"... and if you don't believe me about her, then you could also explain to me why she would put Michael's children on the spotlight in an interview with someone who we all know he hated!! After all he did to keep them safe! Why of all the people in the world would she work with Marc Shaffel a porn star, who was on trial with Michael, and let's not forget Marc was the same guy who went public by saying "I would bring Michael little boys"... I love you all, cause MJ fans we are all like familly, and I want you all to wake up from this act she's pulling... Katherine and Joe love each other for a reason... they are the same!
 
I agree with this. I think she is being manipulated and the fact that she is getting very old now doesn't help either.

Exactly.

On a side note, as much as I don't like Joe, think about a 80-year old person you personally know and put them in Joe's position.
 
Basically the sooner that Katherine kicks Schaffel and Mann out the better. Too many leeches follow that family. They hung around Michael like there was no tomorrow and now their sights have turned to Katherine. I get the feeling that like Michael, Katherine is far too trusting.
 
I agree with this. I think she is being manipulated and the fact that she is getting very old now doesn't help either.

It's very frustrating though because she is not powerless and more than anyone she should have at least some idea of what Michael's wishes for the children are!

I don't think Katherine was completely behind the Opis None because why would they agree to retract from the JSV website that it was from Katherine? They wouldn't. But because Katherine is partnered with them they were able to associate with her in such a way that fans believed it was. Which is just as bad as far as I'm concerned.

What annoys me most is that Katherine has 8 surviving children and none of them can get a grasp on this situation! If this was happening to my mother...well, put it this way, it wouldn't be happening to her.
 
Someone needs to go in there on behalf of Katherine and start taking names and firing some asses. Too many con artist getting into her head. Michael was the same way. Now that he's not hear to say yes and hand over millions of dollars to them, they are doing it to Katherine.

She needs a trusted person to go in there and cut the fat...and it should start at the top.....get rid of Joe and Oxman!
 
It's very frustrating though because she is not powerless and more than anyone she should have at least some idea of what Michael's wishes for the children are!

I don't think Katherine was completely behind the Opis None because why would they agree to retract from the JSV website that it was from Katherine? They wouldn't. But because Katherine is partnered with them they were able to associate with her in such a way that fans believed it was. Which is just as bad as far as I'm concerned.

What annoys me most is that Katherine has 8 surviving children and none of them can get a grasp on this situation! If this was happening to my mother...well, put it this way, it wouldn't be happening to her.

Someone needs to go in there on behalf of Katherine and start taking names and firing some asses. Too many con artist getting into her head. Michael was the same way. Now that he's not hear to say yes and hand over millions of dollars to them, they are doing it to Katherine.

She needs a trusted person to go in there and cut the fat...and it should start at the top.....get rid of Joe and Oxman!

I agree completely! :agree:
 
Have to agree, the family aren't victims here, this is just the latest in dodgy happenings that seem to follow them wherever they go. If Katherine didn't associate with such dodgy people, they wouldn't be able to attach her name somewhat authentically to anything right? I'm not blaming Katherine at all, I think she is being guided and manipulated. I'm not sure why everything has to be so freaking fragmented with them all! After all they have Michael's children in the middle of everything here! It's very hard to accept and not be extremely worried.

I agree with this 100%. It's not about blaming and/or attacking Katherine. Okay so she didn't know and she had nothing to do it with but this wasn't coming from some random people or some random website. This song came from her partners. And still it's her responsibility to make sure that these people do not use her name for their own purposes.
 
I think she is being guided and manipulated.

I believe it's none other than Joseph who's manipulating and exploiting Katherine the most. Everyone else just follows him and his "business ideas", because they will benefit as well.
 
... the question also is... if Katherine officially named trustees and administrators of her share at MJ Estate=MJs fortune ... in case Katherine would die...., or is it Diana Ross...?
I am not sure with the details of the MJs will....
 
Whether its Joe, Mann, Schaffel, whoever it is behind the manipulation someone needs to put a stop to this. As Stace said she has eight surviving children, they should be more wary about what's going on. They only seem to know what's happening when fans tell them through Twitter and that shouldn't be the case. It's not up to the fans to let them know what's going on, they should know already. Like they didn't seem to know about this until we told them. Or they didn't seem to know about Oprah's scheduling of the interview with '200 men who were abused come forward' in the same week until we told them. They need to be more aware of these people for their own mother's sake.
 
Look TMZ finally caught up

Rift in Michael Jackson's Family Over Song

It seems the Michael Jackson song TMZ posted Friday has created some bad blood in Michael's family.

We posted an MJ song on Saturday -- "Opis None" -- along with a statement from Katherine Jackson's business partner, Howard Mann. Mann, who said he was speaking for Katherine, seemed to be taking a shot at Sony's upcoming MJ album by saying Mann and Katherine wanted to let people hear "an actual authentic Michael Jackson track to the world."

But Jackie Jackson has now twittered, "I just spoke with my Mother and she did NOT authorize the release of the demo track called Opis None."


And Taj Jackson -- Tito's son -- also tweeted, "Just talked to my grandma. She didn't even know about the 'song,' nor did she authorize it. We are getting to the bottom of this."

Here's what's interesting -- Howard Mann has inserted himself right smack in the middle of Katherine Jackson's business deals, including the Oprah appearance in which Katherine is pitching her book about MJ.

This could be an opportunity for the Michael Jackson Estate to finally get Katherine on board.
 
Henry Vaccaro is the one who got control of the storage unit with Jackson items in the first place. I believe Mann is working with him or bought the items from him. TSCM probably knows the connection better.
Everything about the collection has been shrouded in secrecy and confusion. I did exhaustive research and investigation into the subject over the course of several years. In short, Henry Vaccaro owns Vintage Pop (Vintage Associates). He acquired the memorabilia collection and audio tapes years ago--even though the original court order forbade him from taking items belonging to MJ or Janet since they weren't part of the bankruptcy case that Katherine, Joe, and some other siblings were. A misguided ruling years later allowed Vacarro to quickly sweep up everything in there (MJ/Janet items as well) despite the original court order. Howard Mann is a business associate of Vaccaro who has helped with the Web site and marketing etc., they are both doing business under the Vintage Pop name.

They (originally just Henry Vaccaro) had worked on creating JacksonSecretVault and numerous variants of it for many years in order to charge money for online access to photos of these items. In 2004, MJ was successful in shutting down the first incarnation of the site (which was promoted by tabloids, Diane Dimond, etc.) due to the illegalities of the acquired collection which the court agreed with. In 2007, "Vintage Pop" aka Vaccaro made a deal to sell the collection to Richard Altomare of Universal Express, to auction everything off. The parties involved, including Richard Altomare, grossly exaggerated the value of these items (their estimates went as high as $200,000,000) but the auction actually grossed a mere $500,000. Henry V. wanted them to pay him $4 million for the collection but they only paid him $150,000 advance, and as such more litigation ensued and Vintage Pop resumed the alleged rights to the collection. MJ and Janet successfully sued Universal Express/Richard Altomare in 2007 after he circumvented a previously agreed upon settlement and tried to auction off items prohibited by the the agreement. Altomare was ordered to pay their legal fees and turn over the remaining collection he had. In the meanwhile, Vintage Pop and two other companies were also alleging ownership of the collection, but the other companies eventually buckled. Universal Express as a whole crashed and burned soon after the auction mess and is now completely gone--Richard Altomare served time in jail for unrelated fraud after this case concluded, and he never did pay the legal fees for MJ/Janet.

The audio recordings were also part of the Universal Express / Vintage Pop agreement. They had planned on holding multiple auctions, one of which would be for these audio recordings, but this was illegal as they are protected by copyrights. Altomare tried to sell them under the table at one point but was ordered to turn them over to court, although it took a long time for him to do so and he may have only turned over a small number of them to court. Again, they are protected by copyright and cannot be sold. Either way, shortly after all of this mess, Henry Vacarro/Vintage Pop created another site to try and sell the recordings which he still seemed to have access to. He posted terrible remixes of published songs and was seeking millions of dollars for them. However, the tapes were not unique or original as he claimed, but instead were audio tracks for the Jackson Variety Show from the 1970s and perhaps a few other known and released tracks from the Jacksons circa 1970s (e.g., Destiny). At the time, he described them as "unique mechanicals rerecorded for the Jackson Variety Shows which aired in the mid 1970's."

In 2008-2009 (before June 25th) he had another "J5 Secrets" operating where he was charging access for low resolution, watermarked photo scans of Michael and the family that he had acquired from the ill-gotten collection. To deter fans from investing in such a scheme that MJ and courts opposed, I posted higher resolution, unwatermarked versions of all the photos he was charging access for. Fast forward today, and now Katherine and other family members appear to have been suckered into these schemes by "Vintage Pop" aka Henry Vacarro and Howard Mann. Photos from the same collection that I shared long ago and what Vintage Pop tried to charge for have now been converted into the book that Katherine has been promoting through Howard Mann, which they are all trying to profit from...
 
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Tweet from Jackie Jackson:
"Dear fans: I just spoke with my Mother and she did NOT authorize the release of the demo track called Opus None. I personally think it was sampled together by an unauthorized party ... Please don't believe gossip sites ..."

Tweet from Taj Jackson:
"Just talked to my grandma. She didn't even know about the "song", nor did she authorize it. We are getting to the bottom of this."


WOW .... this is just CRAZY reading these tweets .... :(

What's is actually going on?
 
Moonwalker.Fan;3052808 said:
Yesterday Jacksonsecretvault.com (publisher of Katherine’s book Never Can Say Goodbye) made a false statement: ”From the archives of Jacksonsecretvault.com we’d like to present a free, authentic, unreleased MJ track for the fans.
With L.O.V.E. from Mrs. Jackson.”


Today Jacksonsecretvault.com made a different statement: “From the archives of Jackson secret vault, we’d like to present a free authentic remake MJ track for the fans.” The website made appologies regarding the claim that the remix was offered by Katherine: “This track was NOT released by Mrs. Jackson, this is a dance remake created from unreleased masters in the JacksonSecretVault.com archives. We sincerely apologize to the fans for any confusion.”

Jackie and Taj Jackson also commented on this ‘confusion’ on Twitter:

hmm.

thanks for this.

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little surprised that people are blaming katherine (& joe) for this whole orchestration.. has nobody mentioned RANDY JACKSON? the undercover agent. whispering in katherine (& joe's) ears.
 
Agree that Randy has been very very quiet through all of this. Which as we know doesn't mean he's not involved by any stretch. Personally I'm clueless of what the connection between Randy and these guys is, if there is one.
 
Thanks a lot. Very useful, and clear. Sad that KJ can remain in contact with those ppl, after all that has happened. Dont get it
 
Finally TMZ has an update about the song being a remake.

Katherine Jackson's Partner Backtracks on 'New' Song

The guy behind the website JacksonSecretVault.com -- the one who called out the Jackson estate for releasing a song he insinuated wasn't "authentic" -- now has a big "authenticity" problem of his own.

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Howard Mann, Katherine Jackson's business partner, now says the song his website released Saturday was not "unreleased" as he advertised, but rather a "remake." Pretty big difference.

Mann told TMZ on Friday his site was releasing the song "Opis None" in part to "overcome the confusion" that arose from the release of the song "Breaking News."

But it turns out Mann is guilty himself of creating "confusion" by touting an unreleased song that was really a remake.

And on top of that, Mann touted that the release of "Opis None" was made with the blessing of Katherine Jackson. Now he has taken all references to Mrs. Jackson out of the advertisement they posted on Friday (see below).

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Bad timing for Mann and Katherine -- She's appearing on "Oprah" Monday to push the book she wrote on MJ as well as other projects ... projects in which she partnered with Mann.
 
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