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Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

Mikejoefan said:
The thing that bothered me most about her was the fact that she made the rounds to all the media outlets first and I too, also question why michael who had not spoken to her since april decided to call her on fathers day from feeling hot/cold. Why didn't he seek help right there in LA. If murry was his doc why would mike call her. That just don't make sense.

And let just get hypothetical here and say that michael took dip, which is what she thought as well by stating she knew someone gave him something that hit his nervous system. Lets just say that this really happened that fathers day. Why in the world would michael take dip again? I mean if I take a pill on friday and it makes me sweat and makes my heart race and I get so shook up that a call my friend tell them I don't feel good. I would have to be down right crazy to up and take that same pill on tuesday again. Just crazy! I don't think mike would be dumb enough to keep taking something that was scaring him healthwise.

it makes me wonder if it was SOMETHING ELSE that causing the chest pain, hot/cold, etc that michael was feeling in his last few days. Does dip have side effects like this? I wonder? Maybe it wasn't the dip that caused him feeling this way. And maybe it wasn't his prescrip meds either because he would already know the side effects to those, so it would scare him or alarm him to be so scared that he would call her. I wonder if michael was slipped something.:no:
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Diprivan knocks you out within 40 seconds. If it was diprivan he wouldn't have made a phone call.
 
He didn't make a phone call, his assistant did, said the nurse.
 
LisaB said:
The nurse may be assuming too much, that's it. Maybe MJ mentioned Diprivan to her once, and she took that and made a whole song and dance about it. Maybe she has given Diprivan too much credit in all of this.

As for needing breathing equipment for propofol, not necessarily. In the OR propofol is used in conjunction with neuromuscular relaxants. The latter is used so that the person can be intubated. That is why they need breathing equipment. Then the person is keep anesthesized by something else like sevoflurane (sp) etc.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong. If propofol is just an anesthetic it probably can be administered in certain doses without need for breathing equipment. In fact I think propofol is used in certain conscious sedation techniques.
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Bottom line is, propofol is very capable of causing respiratory depression and respiratory arrest depending upon the dose and other physical issues specifically related to each individual patient.

Propofol is quite often used for conscious sedation, especially for rather simple and short procedures like colonoscopies, etc. But ALWAYS with monitoring equipment for hrt rate, O2 saturation, resp rate, etc. And resuscitative equipment has to be immediately available, ie intubation equipment, etc. It's also used for more long term sedation such as while a pt is on a ventilator for any numbers of reasons. Formal operating rooms have a variety of anesthetics available, with propofol sometimes being used initially to start with, then "formal" anesthesia used once sedation has taken effect.

As I recall Dr.Klein has been reported as using it for procedures, but he has/had a nurse anesthetist doing it, and in a clinic adjacent to his. Who knows how true that one is, but that is what has been reported and seems reasonable.
 
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In Cherilyn Lee Follow-Up Interview with CNN's John Roberts
She changes time when she spoke to Micheal. She says
he called her in the Early Afternoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnV2mrAM6l8

Why would Michael Jackson call Cherilyn Lee, a Nutritonist
when Dr. Conrad Murray was already in his employment and
medically treating him? How many people were involved
in the murder of Michael Jackson?
Sorry folks, Michael Jackson's death does involve conspirators?
 
if he were using it to be put to sleep, they need an ekg so they know if his heart is going into distress. that's teh easiest and fastest way to know something is wrong. is his bp going up or down? he could've stoppedthe drip and mj would've rebounded. but to let it go unnoticed b/c he didn't have a machine, caused a massive and full cardiac arrest
 
bgz, I do know the uses of propofol. And I did say that MJ would have needed monitoring but not necessarily help breathing upon administration (that was the question I was answering). Basically you're repeating what i said above. lol.


The more I reflect on propofol the more I know there is something more to all of this that we are either neglecting or are not being told at all.

Just my musing here; but if there were indeed oxygen tanks there, then MJ did have artificial breathing devices, and there must have been monitoring devices there (what's the use of giving O2 and not monitoring sats?). And if there were monitoring devices on, then they must have signaled some warning when sats/hr were out of whack? Like start beeping, you know like how it is in the hospital. But maybe not, maybe the alarms were on silent (except they don't stay on silent for long).

And if the doc went through all of this trouble to have monitoring devices there, why not have intubation stuff, and muscle relaxants?

Unless he did hear the beeping and when he came in he started his resuscitation but couldn't go farther because he didn't have a proper crash cart. Then that is malpractice. Manslaughter? We are yet to see.
 
The thing that bothered me most about her was the fact that she made the rounds to all the media outlets first and I too, also question why michael who had not spoken to her since april decided to call her on fathers day from feeling hot/cold. Why didn't he seek help right there in LA. If murry was his doc why would mike call her. That just don't make sense.
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Watch the youtube video bgz posted. It should answer some questions.

And btw...the word "begged" didn't come from Nurse Lee's mouth. That's the word the media used to describe her accounts. I remember once she even corrected someone and said Michael was "asking" her, not so much "begging". Of course the way she describes it all indicates he was desperate....but I don't recall the word "beg" coming from her directly.

Thanks bgz for posting that transcript and the video. I will review the others Cherubim posted in a bit but for now I just wanted to make this post first.

I have some questions about this nurse too, as far as all the ppl she had contact with, like the guard she spoke to on Father's Day as well as who was it that referred her? But other than that there doesn't seem to be any indications that she had any connection to Murray as some are going around stating as if it were fact or proven somehow. So far, it hasn't. I think it's irresponsible to go about the board stating it as being true becuz folks who know even less might think it's been proven and it hasn't. This is how ppl build theories on erroneous info and come out with theories that don't make sound sense...to even themselves, imo.

As for why Michael didn't go to the hospital? Well, if he had gone there would have been questions. Perhaps he nor Murray wanted to have to answer those questions. If propofol isn't supposed to be used outside a hospital I doubt he or Murray wanted to have to explain that Michael may have been given some in his home. We don't even know whether Murray couldn't be found that day so Michael had to call around until he found someone else he trusted. Someone with a medical background who was able to help his symptoms and avoid a trip to the hospital.

Why would Michael take it again after the hot and cold thing? Good question. I would guess either it wasn't diprivan that caused the problem or Murray convinced Michael that whatever went wrong wouldn't happen again. Afterall, his job may have depended on him being able to give MJ that stuff. If he couldn't give it to MJ properly why would Michael keep him around for $150,000? He would be useless. Michael obviously hadn't had that kind of reaction before becuz he was concerned. If he honestly had diprivan in the past then he knew these symptoms weren't supposed to happen when done correctly. So it's possible he would try it again becuz he knew when done correctly he would be fine.

As for whether he took it beforehand and should have been knocked out, well, let's say these symptoms came to him after the drug was stopped and he was awakened...or worse, his body physically reacted while he was under and the doctor had to stop the drug and awaken him. May not have been the propofol, per se, but something else the doctor was giving at the same time that caused the reaction. So many scenarios.

I just hope the police were able to reconstruct what happened to Michael the week before he died. I feel they are trying to make this a "drug addict/doctor shopping" situation when in fact it could also be a reckless doctor situation. And by them focusing so much on trying to get all the doctors for their "addict" angle, they may not focus enough on the recklessless doctor angle. If Michael was in trouble on the Sunday before his death, I can't see how and why they would overlook investigating that as well. Who was on the phone with Nurse Lee? Surely that person would have something to tell about it...unless they aren't talking or went missing.
 
CherubimII said:
In Cherilyn Lee Follow-Up Interview with CNN's John Roberts
She changes time when she spoke to Micheal. She says
he called her in the Early Afternoon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnV2mrAM6l8

Why would Michael Jackson call Cherilyn Lee, a Nutritonist
when Dr. Conrad Murray was already in his employment and
medically treating him? How many people were involved
in the murder of Michael Jackson?
Sorry folks, Michael Jackson's death does involve conspirators?
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Perhaps the "afternoon" would depend on what time she was going by when she spoke. Afterall, she was on the other side of the country...3 hours difference.

And btw...have you tried thinking about the answers to the questions you are asking? I've already thought up one or 2 "probable" causes. It's really not as complicated as some ppl try to make a lot of things out to be. I see it not only in this thread but others too.

Do I think there may be some conspirators? Maybe...but I think you can't make solid theories when the information you are going by is misquoted or falsely stated....OR ppl are asking questions as if it's a DUN DUN DUNN moment and the answers to those questions have been around all the time. I know not everyone can come across ALL the info floating around out there. I've missed quite a few things myself.
 
Wendy, you are right when you mentioned that MJ may not have taken Diprivan on that Sunday he allegedly called the nurse. And if you pay close attention to her interviews, she NEVER said MJ said he used Diprivan. She assumed so. And I am more inclined to believe that the hot/cold thing had nothing to do with Diprivan at all (I can't relate that symptom to a side effect of propofol at all).

And I have rewatched the interviews (thanks for the links guys).

I do also think it is very irresponsible to post such a thread without any incriminating evidence against the nurse.

Still, I don't trust her.lol.
 
LisaB said:
bgz, I do know the uses of propofol. And I did say that MJ would have needed monitoring but not necessarily help breathing upon administration (that was the question I was answering). Basically you're repeating what i said above. lol.


The more I reflect on propofol the more I know there is something more to all of this that we are either neglecting or are not being told at all.

Just my musing here; but if there were indeed oxygen tanks there, then MJ did have artificial breathing devices, and there must have been monitoring devices there (what's the use of giving O2 and not monitoring sats?). And if there were monitoring devices on, then they must have signaled some warning when sats/hr were out of whack? Like start beeping, you know like how it is in the hospital. But maybe not, maybe the alarms were on silent (except they don't stay on silent for long).

And if the doc went through all of this trouble to have monitoring devices there, why not have intubation stuff, and muscle relaxants?

Unless he did hear the beeping and when he came in he started his resuscitation but couldn't go farther because he didn't have a proper crash cart. Then that is malpractice. Manslaughter? We are yet to see.
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I agree with you...there's something missing. I think what's missing is whatever else was found in Michael's stomach. It's very possible that propofol when used with other medications COULD HAVE created a feeling of rest for Michael. Everyone says propofol alone doesn't give that effect, yet some patients, even a fan or two on this board, have said they had it and they did feel rested afterwards. I think what may create the "rested" feel may be propofol and a combo of other meds. A medical professional should probably be asked about this but I do remember when the Xanax and propofol cocktail news started in the past 2 weeks, someone on one of those talks shows said sometimes doctors give this to patients to relax them. The xanax to relax them and the propofol is to knock them out. SO...I think the tox reports will be key here if propofol was used. Then medical experts will be able to tell us how those other medications along with diprivan might work. For now, we are missing that info.

Also, about the medical equipment....if it was there, it's interesting for 2 reasons....1) We've only "heard" that the oxygen tanks were found and the I.V. drip pole....2) If other medical equipment WAS present to monitor Michael, what did Dr. Murray do with it? He left with paramedics to go to the hospital, so he couldn't have cleaned up the scene afterwards. The only way that equipment would mysteriously disappear, leaving only oxygen tanks and i.v. pole is IF the scene was cleared out beforehand. Either the equipment was there and went missing OR it was never there. Thus far, we've "heard" no leaks that anything other than oxygen and i.v. pole was in the room.
 
But if O2 tanks were there, then other devices HAD to be there. O2 tanks serve no purpose by themselves. I've come to the conclusion that we've heard alot of nonsense and not heard the half of the facts.

And just more musing, but if the propofol was given in such small amounts that never needed intubation, then it would make even more sense to give an adjunctive sedative like xanax etc.

But if this combo worked before what changed then? Could it have been just a rare reaction between a sedative and a non-sedative? Could it just be pure cardiac arrest plain and simple caused by an arrythmia or something else? Medications and anesthetics may just be red herrings.

There are alot of questions, and quite honestly, I don't think the coroner is even 90% sure of what might have happened.
 
LisaB said:
Wendy, you are right when you mentioned that MJ may not have taken Diprivan on that Sunday he allegedly called the nurse. And if you pay close attention to her interviews, she NEVER said MJ said he used Diprivan. She assumed so. And I am more inclined to believe that the hot/cold thing had nothing to do with Diprivan at all (I can't relate that symptom to a side effect of propofol at all).

And I have rewatched the interviews (thanks for the links guys).

I do also think it is very irresponsible to post such a thread without any incriminating evidence against the nurse.

Still, I don't trust her.lol.
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I don't trust her either, but it's just a hunch and unsubstantiated. More to do with body-language than anything else, and the "timeliness" of her bringing Propofol into the mix. I doubt the coroner would have thought to look for it, if not for the nurse making the talk-show rounds.

Still having trouble with why she went to media first, intead of the LAPD. Maybe she tried, and they rejected her at first? Or maybe she wanted the money (those talk shows PAY), and was worried that once she talked to the police she'd be instructed not to say anything in public? Don't know.

Right. She never said, just implied, that Propofol was related to the hot/cold incident. But, she also said she could hear Michael's voice in the background, so he clearly was THERE and conscious at that time.

So if she wanted to be sure Propofol was looked for in the autopsy, either she was being a good citizen, or wanted to be SURE that the drug was found. It's not a controlled substance and if that were found to be the cause of death, the courts might go easier on Murray. But as I said, just a hunch.
 
LisaB said:
Wendy, you are right when you mentioned that MJ may not have taken Diprivan on that Sunday he allegedly called the nurse. And if you pay close attention to her interviews, she NEVER said MJ said he used Diprivan. She assumed so. And I am more inclined to believe that the hot/cold thing had nothing to do with Diprivan at all (I can't relate that symptom to a side effect of propofol at all).

And I have rewatched the interviews (thanks for the links guys).

I do also think it is very irresponsible to post such a thread without any incriminating evidence against the nurse.

Still, I don't trust her.lol.
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True...she only assumed it could be diprivan becuz the symptoms seemed like something that affected the central nervous system. And I think it could have for a person reason only. My niece went to have her wisdom tooth pulled and they wanted to put her under for the surgery. She was terrified and scared becuz she had never been put "under" before and they wouldn't let her husband stay in the room to comfort her thru it. They didn't give her diprivan but gave her something else via her oxygen mask. Everytime the oral surgeon left the room she took the mask off. When he came back she was always awake and he was confused, right? lol Finally, she told him she was scared that she would be put out and no one would be around if something happened to her becuz he kept leaving the room. They let her husband come in and the surgeon told her if she ever felt cold and was still conscious, she should tell him becuz if she ever felt too cold that would mean she was getting too much. Sure enuf, she started shivering after a bit and was still conscious. She said she felt the cold start from her feet and it worked its way up her body. She spoke up and they stopped whatever they were pumping her with. The scary part is WHAT if she had kept that mask over her face while he left the room, felt cold, didn't say anything and went under with too much of that stuff in her system? So I do think when it comes to anesthetics, it does or may have some effect on the central nervous system like Nurse Lee assumed.

Whether or not it was due to diprivan, something else or a combo reaction, is the question.
 
Sure it can affect the nervous system, but as you said your neice was getting the drugs at the time, MJ was clearly wide awake! That side effect may happen with some nitrous drugs perhaps but i don't think with propofol. Propofol has a very safe side effect profile (well take it for what it's worth).
 
LisaB said:
Sure it can affect the nervous system, but as you said your neice was getting the drugs at the time, MJ was clearly wide awake! That side effect may happen with some nitrous drugs perhaps but i don't think with propofol. Propofol has a very safe side effect profile (well take it for what it's worth).
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Maybe when taken alone. What about if it's taken with other meds? I think there may have been a trial and error period where MJ and Murray were trying to see what worked and what didn't. Perhaps Murray became too complacent after things started going well. sigh.
 
Quoting LisaB:
"Just my musing here; but if there were indeed oxygen tanks there, then MJ did have artificial breathing devices, and there must have been monitoring devices there (what's the use of giving O2 and not monitoring sats?). And if there were monitoring devices on, then they must have signaled some warning when sats/hr were out of whack? Like start beeping, you know like how it is in the hospital. But maybe not, maybe the alarms were on silent (except they don't stay on silent for long)."

That's where things get more complicated. Oxygen tanks in and of themselves just provide oxygen, doesn't necessarily mean there was an intubation tray or at least a manual bag/ mask as well. Common sense would say surely there would be a manual bagging/mask device at least also available because just turning on oxygen doesn't do anything if the person is not breathing. I could see Murray applying O2 by nasal cannula or simple face mask while Michael was "under", that's customary and could explain the chef talking about him bringing down O2 tanks in the mornings.

There are so many unanswered things we don't know. And I would have to assume that the majority of things are being kept under wraps during the investigation. Bottom line for me is that Michael should have had sat/cardiac/respiratory monitoring devices, which are all very unobtrusive to the pt. when sedated. If he didn't, why not. If he did, surely alarms would have gone off, however you can disable the alarms manually by flicking the alarm on/off switch. Or, did the alarms go off, Murray didn't hear them, ignored them (lord I hope that's not the case), or what?

As for Michael supposedly being "in Murray's bed", that one I don't find too hard to believe if indeed that's where the propofol and possibly iv poles and whatever else was kept. For some reason I can't imagine all the paraphenalia being in Michael's bedroom simply because of the kids possibly walking in at 4 in the morning or whatever. Did they keep the bedroom(s) locked? And that leads to just how were the kids prevented from going into a bedroom wherever he was, did a nanny sleep in the room with them in case they woke up?

So many questions, very few, if any answers. And right now I'm feeling overly intrusive by wondering about the kids, but this is all just so bizarre.
 
And again I ask, why would MJ call her when his doc is supposed to be right there when he wakes up? His assistant was obviously around (she said she knows who called and spoke to her and since she said she didn't know Murray, we know it wasn't him), so this was a while after any administering of propofol, if there was actually any administration on that night.
 
I wonder about the kids walking in on all of this too. But that's as far as I'll go with those thoughts.

I didn't say an intubation tray had to be there at all. As a matter a fact I had hoped if devices such as masks, canula, ambu bags (this is what I mean by artificial device)etc were being used, why not just have an intubation tray there as well? Of course one would have to KNOW how to intubate, right? Another can of worms there.

But in time we'll know some more facts.

I thought someone had said Murray never had a room there. But that shall be revealed in time as well.
 
LisaB said:
And again I ask, why would MJ call her when his doc is supposed to be right there when he wakes up? His assistant was obviously around (she said she knows who called and spoke to her and since she said she didn't know Murray, we know it wasn't him), so this was a while after any administering of propofol, if there was actually any administration on that night.
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She said she spoke to security. It doesn't mean Murray wasn't in the room. Had security not indicated a doctor was there during the 911 call we never would have known Murray was in that room. And when the 911 operator tried to get info, it seems like Murray wasn't interested in speaking based on how the guard turns the convo back to getting help to arrive.

If Murray wasn't there during Lee's call, perhaps someone else was....and it just wasn't mentioned by the guard. OR let's assume Murray was there...and was clueless. He's not an anesthesiologist and could have been unfamiliar with what was happening. We see how he panicked on the day MJ died. It's not unlikely that if he was in the room during the call to Lee he may have been panicking at that time as well and was hoping there was something Lee could relay to the guard that he could do to help MJ. Why would they call her? She was the one to relay to Michael the problems that could happen, but even she was confused by the hot on one side and could on the other issue.

If you listen to how Lee describes the call, it seems like Michael was adamant that the guard tell her what was happening. It almost seems like whoever was making the call didn't want to make it or was trying to withhold information from Lee which led Michael to start blurting it out in the background.
 
Father's day was a Sunday, wondering if there were no rehearsal because of that, maybe Murray was given the day/evening off? Did he rehearse on Sat night? Idk, all sorts of ideas are bouncing around in my head. Did Michael panic because of what he was feeling, Murray wasn't around, Michael starts thinking maybe whatever "holistic" or whatever supplements Lee had him taking could be causing his symptoms? Actually, that is not an entirely impossible concept now that I think about it. Not saying it's what caused his symptoms, but alot of herbal and even vitamin concoctions have known side effects in some circumstances.
 
I still don't think he would call a nurse to answer his questions when he has a doctor right there (who has other connections) that could find out for him. Why would he call a nurse who used a pdr to get info about diprivan? What could she do???

And if he had his assistant calling her, he must have been up and about in the day. And I don't think the assistant was withholding info. MJ perhaps wanted the initial message to be "come over", but she was in florida so then MJ had to tell her the problem.
 
Folks, there is no need to hang on every word of
Nurse Cherilyn Lee.
She is most likely lying about the details to favor herself. :cheeky:
 
bgz said:
Father's day was a Sunday, wondering if there were no rehearsal because of that, maybe Murray was given the day/evening off? Did he rehearse on Sat night? Idk, all sorts of ideas are bouncing around in my head. Did Michael panic because of what he was feeling, Murray wasn't around, Michael starts thinking maybe whatever "holistic" or whatever supplements Lee had him taking could be causing his symptoms? Actually, that is not an entirely impossible concept now that I think about it. Not saying it's what caused his symptoms, but alot of herbal and even vitamin concoctions have known side effects in some circumstances.
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Good post. This could also be a possibility. And there was no rehearsal on Sunday. I know this becuz Kenny Ortega mentioned it on twitter....how he was always going to Vegas for overnighters on the weekend and back to L.A. to continue rehearsals on Monday.

LisaB said:
I still don't think he would call a nurse to answer his questions when he has a doctor right there (who has other connections) that could find out for him. Why would he call a nurse who used a pdr to get info about diprivan? What could she do???

And if he had his assistant calling her, he must have been up and about in the day. And I don't think the assistant was withholding info. MJ perhaps wanted the initial message to be "come over", but she was in florida so then MJ had to tell her the problem.
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What if the doctor by his side is a panicking idiot who knew even LESS than this nurse? Michael knew she had a PDR that would explain things to her. Unfortunately for him she was out of town and doubtfully didn't have it with her in the emergency room. If it were diprivan that was causing this, Murray surely couldn't be calling anyone asking about it without raising suspicion. And remember he wasn't allegedly licensed to give Michael anything more than cough syrup, if even that, in the State of California.
 
CherubimII said:
Cherilyn called up the media and the police herself.
That's what I mean by planting the Propofol addiction story.
Dr. Murray murdered Michael Jackson with the Propofol.
Michael Jackson may have used Propofol before; but he was not addicted to it,
nor did he want it on the day of his murder.
There was an expert on CBS news who said it was almost
impossible to become addicted to Propofol, and in his entire
25 year career he knew of only one case.
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How do you know he didn't ask for it on the day of his murder?
 
CherubimII said:
Folks, there is no need to hang on every word of
Nurse Cherilyn Lee.
She is most likely lying about the details to favor herself. :cheeky:
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That's a possiblity, too. However, until you have a lie to hang your hat on, saying she and Murray knew each other and all this crap without any facts is irresponsible. If you simply don't believe her, that's cool. lol There's ppl who I'm iffy about, but I don't go around stating my theories and suspicions about them as fact. If I have something to hang my suspicion on, I state it but if I pull something out my arse, I'll state that, too. It's only fair.
 
i want to know where do the storie of : chest pain, leg pain and MJ's covered by blankets during rehearsals' hours come from?
 
Gaiaschild said:
Do we know for a fact that Dr Murray gave propofol to MJ. Where has that info come from and is it reliable? If so why has he not been charged with manslaughter as obviously that is illegal to give propofol. I don't think Michael would ask some one to do something illegal. I thought Dr Murray said "he didn't give him anything that should have killed him" in which case it couldn't be propofol.
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Yeah, I'm starting to wonder if that's a fact. I think it was an unnamed source that said Murray admitted giving MJ propofol. No one talked about propofol until the nurse came out. However, I believe her. Her point was to say that MJ was not a drug addict and that his only problem was severe insomnia and that this drug had worked for him in the past.
 
^^^We know it now becuz Murray's attorney confirmed it...or rather he said he would not dispute the lastest "leak" that Murray left the room after giving diprivan to MJ in order to make some phone calls. His own lawyer said he would not dispute that claim...at the same time saying there was more to the story than the "leak" provided. So it has been confirmed in a roundabout way.
 
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Ohood said:
i want to know where do the storie of : chest pain, leg pain and MJ's covered by blankets during rehearsals' hours come from?
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Chest pains came from Liza Minelli...she said her lawyer told her (or a lawyer friend of some kind). I think it would be interesting to know who this person was and where they got that story from. Leg pain? I'm not sure. I've heard it, too, but can't remember a source. May have been something Michael complained about to a fan...but don't quote me. And I remember the thing about the blankets and Murray telling people to keep MJ warm, too... I think that came from Geraldo a couple of weeks ago when he was doing a timeline of the week before MJ died. Maybe someone with more info will post.
 
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