Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

[LisaU123]

oh please guys! according to MJs fans everyone is a liar except Michael. I loved him and was/am a fan of his but he was not perfect and he decided to take these drugs and put his life at risk and possibly leave his kids without a father. So please stop with all the excuses and blaming everyone else. I hoope Dr. Murray gets punished for his role but this nurse was not lying.

 

[Rockin.]

and how the heck do you know he didn't want it the day he died???!

who is saying he is addicted to it? there is a difference between wanting it and being addicted.

he was taking painkillers - an 'upper' which disturbs your sleep, so often you use a downer- sedatives usually. I think Michael wanted to be zonked out completely, and he'd used anaesthetics before on tour and he was fine...something went terribly wrong that day.

Michael Jackson may have used Propofol before; but he was not addicted to it,
nor did he want it on the day of his murder.
.

 

[Rockin.]

Propofol is usually administered with oxygen tanks at the ready.

That was really bugging me about the oxygen tanks

 

[earthlyme]

Everything came out after Lee said he asked her for prpofol. And i think the Media believes what ppl. that are coming out are saying about Mike...and they want us to believe it.

"Just because you read it in a magazine or see it on the TV. screen don't make it factual, Actual"

 

[Soso Deaf]

um well remember the media was going w/ the demerol story....demorol, diprivan?

i don't see how or where she lied.

also, no one is saying mj was addicted to propofol in teh sense that addicts are addicted to heroin and crack. he justneeded it to sleep and wouldn't be able to sleep w/o it. doesn't mean he's addicted.

if they were to plant a story about mj, don't u think they would've done something a lot more common and a lot more salacious than an iv drip of anesthesia?

 

[Rockin.]

Maybe if someone had listened to this woman about the danger of Propofol and didn't give it to Michael, he would still be alive.

 

[MJ#1WhoIsIt]

oh please guys! according to MJs fans everyone is a liar except Michael. I loved him and was/am a fan of his but he was not perfect and he decided to take these drugs and put his life at risk and possibly leave his kids without a father. So please stop with all the excuses and blaming everyone else. I hoope Dr. Murray gets punished for his role but this nurse was not lying.

Michael was Perfect and so am I and all who believe in Good and Righetouness are Perfect, God calls for this Perfection in this Earth, I have always heard that used as an excuse to do wrong "I am not Perfect", perfection is not only in acts of behavior but of Heart therefore Perferection can be attained because its required. I do not believe Michael Jackson Fans are as Fragile as media and some people try to make them out to be like they are just lost in space. Maybe its time we start blaming the right people for causing Michael's death and whats wrong with that? I believe Michael Jacksons was nothing short of Murdered now, I dont believe nothing else happened to him on that Thursday morning between the hours of 2am until he was found but Murder. I totally resent you for making an unproven accusation that "He decided to take these drugs and leave his children fatherless " I cant imagine why a fan of Michael Jackson would say what you have said in knowing Michael Jackson. The people that want Dr. Murray punished are the ones behind Michael's death, yes Dr. Murray was giving Michael something that they had instructed him to and he has information that will uncover this Massive CoverUp but he is not the one who Stopped Michael Jackson Heart from Beating.

What is done in the dark will come to light... Everyone involved in Michael's death will emerge one by one trying to cover their Butts and singing this song of I wasn't me ,It was him or her. What a dam shame.

and in this tragic death of Michael Jackson it will shine like the Sun, they are many I really believe it was a colaboration of about 10 people that really planned Michael's death and other people really didnt know the extent of what they where accomplishing for these 10 when they where doing there bidding, but they will all be exposed one by one and two by two because eventually this money Michael died for will start to destroy their lives where everyone will see. This was a Major Organized Crime so much that really there are times I dont blame no one who dont want to believe it was Murder, because these fools took their time and put in alot of work to kill Michael Jackson and you would have uncover things well hidden and find things that they cant erase.

Cherilyn Lee came out before the propofol was even discovered. So how the hell would she even have a clue of what killed Michael??

Also, notice how she used the word "BEGGED" so many times. "he BEGGED me for it...he was very desperate. he was so desperate..."

Well Cherilyn according to Firpo Carr, he says, "Michael Jackson doesn't beg for anything." I can still remember his confused expression when he heard her say that.

"You try to cope with every lie they srcutinize. Somebody please have mercy, cause I just can't take it!!!" - mj

Thank You, she knew what to say because they knew what they had done. Drug Addicts with Money dont Beg anyone for drugs they are giving drugs Free. Cherilyn only purpose was to plant the seed of Depivan/Propofol and it worked, they had already planted the bottles in the house.

Some of Cherilyn's statements especially about MJ being "healthy" struck me as odd. And also how you say that MJ wanted the propofol and then at the same time say he "didn't beg for it"?

and also she like everyone else that have accused Michael of being a Drug Addict have stopped short of saying they had seen Micheal doing drugs in the past few years, no one, not one of these people on the news or in tabloids have said they had seen Michael doing drugs in the last few years (wonder why?), its all hearsay or from years ago.

I never really thought of her as suspect before. I couldn't figure her angle out. And was always bothered by the hot on oneside and cold on other side story. But now after reading this, all I can say is Damn!!!!!!!!

We all have to realize that Michael Jackson death is beyond suspicion and the LAPD has been trying to tell us so many things but tabloids and media are contradicting all they report, so they have left it up to the people who really want to know what happened to connect the dots, its really not hard at all, for instant if they really believe Dr. Murray caused Michael Jackson's death in anyway they would have being arrested him and he would have bonded out by now. But he is the key to their investigation, and as hard as this sound we should be in support and protection of Dr. Murray because he knows who the killers are and eventually they will come and try to kill him also, he has the Truth wheter he likes it or not or wheter we like him or not. Yes I believe Nutristionist Cherilyn Lee is a Liar and they dare not send her back out in the Jungle.

 

[Soso Deaf]

well she didn't give it to him. she said she told him not to use it and tried to make him understand. he said he had used it before.

so im wondering, maybe murray didn't want to have to fedex the propofol from lv every day like he was doing. but he couldn't get meds in cali. he didn't have a license to practice there. so im thinking he was using klien to get it but maybe wanted to use someone else so mj asked for him.

it'd be more apropos for the patient to ask than a fellow doctor cuz that could raise suspicion.

 

[Autumn II]

Do we know for a fact that Dr Murray gave propofol to MJ. Where has that info come from and is it reliable? If so why has he not been charged with manslaughter as obviously that is illegal to give propofol. I don't think Michael would ask some one to do something illegal. I thought Dr Murray said "he didn't give him anything that should have killed him" in which case it couldn't be propofol.

Good question. We do NOT know for certain that Murray gave Michael Propofol. The only "evidence" we have is a leak from "a source close to the LAPD" that Murray admitted to police that he gave Propofol to Michael. We don't know if this was truly a leak, or a planted statement? Another "leak" told us that Propofol was found in Murray's closet. Without a name attached to the "information," there is no way to verify.

Giving Propofol is not illegal. Interesting? (It's just incredibly stupid to give in in a home.) It's not on a list of "controlled substances," although soon it may be. But that illegality would not be retroactive.

 

[D.Electric]

nor did he want it on the day of his murder.

Do you have any proof to back up why you are stating this as a fact? just out of interest.

 

[Rockin.]

I don't think its illegal to give propofol, and saying "he didn't give him anything that should have killed him" does not mean he didn't give him propofol. Propofol is completely safe in the right hands, when it is administered properly. It shouldn't have killed him, if it was used in the right way.

Do we know for a fact that Dr Murray gave propofol to MJ. Where has that info come from and is it reliable? If so why has he not been charged with manslaughter as obviously that is illegal to give propofol. I don't think Michael would ask some one to do something illegal. I thought Dr Murray said "he didn't give him anything that should have killed him" in which case it couldn't be propofol.

 

[Soso Deaf]

it IS illegal to give it in the manner in which he got it. u cannot do it that way. it has to be in a hospital or outpatient setting w/ an ekg available, under trained anesthesiologists and appropriate staff.

so while obtaining the drug wasn't illegal, administering it was. cuz he couldn't even get it in cali. he had to have it fed exed from las vegas

 

[Autumn II]

it IS illegal to give it in the manner in which he got it. u cannot do it that way. it has to be in a hospital or outpatient setting w/ an ekg available, under trained anesthesiologists and appropriate staff.

so while obtaining the drug wasn't illegal, administering it was. cuz he couldn't even get it in cali. he had to have it fed exed from las vegas

There is no law on the books about giving Propofol at home that I've heard said, (because it's so unheard of???), but would seem to qualify as at least criminal negligence. There are probably an array of charges possible. Malpractice (not a law on-the-books, but he would lose his medical license), manslaughter in various degrees, and IF a conspiracy or a deliberate killilng is uncovered, then murder. It really depends on what is uncovered in the LAPD and DEA investigations. The fact that the DEA is involved might keep the LAPD more honest? It also paves the way for both state and federal charges. I think Murray will be charged with SOMETHING, but we don't know what. . . . yet.

 

[CherubimII]

Lies are being planted in the media
for the purpose of persuading the
public that Michael Jackson was
responsible for his own death.
SO, DON'T BOTHER WITH SEEKING JUSTICE FOR HIM.
No one else needs to be held accountable.

 

[Autumn II]

I have a question. Does anyone have a transcript of any of Nurse Lee's interviews on the talk-shows? If so, can you post it? I remember her saying that she "gave him vitamin C by IV drip." Is that NORMAL for nutritionists? I've never heard of giving vitamin C that way before, and am just wondering.

Her body language told me she was lying about SOMETHING, but that's just my intuition and I have no proof. I keep coming back to the idea that the LAPD would not necessarily have known to look for Propofol if she hadn't mentioned it. . . . and I'm wondering why she went on tv to say that? Maybe concern for Michael and the truth? Maybe something else? There are things here that still don't match up. . . . . . . .

I'm also thinking that technically, Propofol is not a "controlled substance" and it's not illegal to give it. It IS illegal, probably, if it's given in a home and so negligently that it results in the patient's death. That does not point to "murder," just stupidity. I'm sure Murray will be charged with SOMETHING. But not "murder."

 

[Rockin.]

I think there is plently in the media about the bad practices of Dr. Murray - I think he is the one being exposed by the media as being responsible for Michael's death.

Lies are being planted in the media
for the purpose of persuading the
public that Michael Jackson was
responsible for his own death.
SO, DON'T BOTHER WITH SEEKING JUSTICE FOR HIM.
No one else needs to be held accountable.

 

[wendy2004]

Pleaase, This has NOTHING to do with the church or God
so dont take it there ..

it is just our own SPECULATION
we have a lot of speculation goin on in here
doesnt mean its true ..

Its very interesting
but lets not make it more than SPECULATION
after all that what this forum is for ..

you, I and anyone else speculating in here could be way off the mark
and wrong - It ca be lots of fun doing it though

just dont take yourself to serious while SPECULATING or bring God, religion
or the church into it .. this is you and your opinion - Period

I love speculating myself .. Im glad they opened this forum for us to do that.

What's worse is when ppl are basing their speculations on things that are not factual...or taking factual information and misquoting it so that it means something completely different than what was originally stated. This is one of the reasons I've been staying away from these types of debates and whatnot. I see so much erroneous information in this thread about what this nurse said and what happened as far as the "raid" on her office which really wasn't a "raid". Had folks been paying attention to the news reports and information they would know exactly why the authorities showed up to her office instead of her simply "FAXING" in the information they wanted. sigh

And once a speculation based on wrong info gets started it's like a runaway train that can't be stopped. So I'm not even going to try and go source all the info, FACTUAL info people have missed or rather chose to ignore for their own reasons to fit their theories.

and how the heck do you know he didn't want it the day he died???!

who is saying he is addicted to it? there is a difference between wanting it and being addicted.

he was taking painkillers - an 'upper' which disturbs your sleep, so often you use a downer- sedatives usually. I think Michael wanted to be zonked out completely, and he'd used anaesthetics before on tour and he was fine...something went terribly wrong that day.

Totally agree with the bolded parts. Sometimes ppl forget that their opinions are just that and to start stating those opinions as fact all over the board and other boards is irresponsible. This is how ppl get stuck with an idea in their head and when evidence to prove otherwise comes along to debunk it, they refuse to acknowledge it. That doesn't bring you closer to the truth. It just keeps you in your own version of what you believe to be the truth. This is all my opinion of course.

Seriously, if ppl have listened to all this nurse's interviews some of the stuff speculated in here wouldn't exist. However, if ppl were basing their theories on her actual words and points of view and still didn't trust her, I could respect that. But to have that opinion of her based on false and misrepresented and misconstrued infromation is unfortunate.

Carry on.

 

[Soso Deaf]

it is an illegal misuse of the medicine b/c it is an anesthetic so it's using it for a different reason...i can't word it right. it's misuse of the drug.

if im taking adderall for add but then i grind and snort it, then i can be arrested for that cuz it's worse than cocaine when u do it like that.

so he's using it for a reason other than what it was manufactured for

 

[Love.him]

So true. I agree with all of what I quoted but it would be nice to remember that opinions are facts are two different things in general.

Also, in reference to the first post in this thread: how could the nurse be a supporter of Murray? She is saying she refused to give Michael Diprivan while Murray has admitted giving it to Michael.

What's worse is when ppl are basing their speculations on things that are not factual...or taking factual information and misquoting it so that it means something completely different than what was originally stated. This is one of the reasons I've been staying away from these types of debates and whatnot. I see so much erroneous information in this thread about what this nurse said and what happened as far as the "raid" on her office which really wasn't a "raid". Had folks been paying attention to the news reports and information they would know exactly why the authorities showed up to her office instead of her simply "FAXING" in the information they wanted. sigh

And once a speculation based on wrong info gets started it's like a runaway train that can't be stopped. So I'm not even going to try and go source all the info, FACTUAL info people have missed or rather chose to ignore for their own reasons to fit their theories.




Totally agree with the bolded parts.

Sometimes ppl forget that their opinions are just that and to start stating those opinions as fact all over the board and other boards is irresponsible. This is how ppl get stuck with an idea in their head and when evidence to prove otherwise comes along to debunk it, they refuse to acknowledge it. That doesn't bring you closer to the truth. It just keeps you in your own version of what you believe to be the truth. This is all my opinion of course.

Seriously, if ppl have listened to all this nurse's interviews some of the stuff speculated in here wouldn't exist. However, if ppl were basing their theories on her actual words and points of view and still didn't trust her, I could respect that. But to have that opinion of her based on false and misrepresented and misconstrued infromation is unfortunate.

Carry on.

 

[Autumn II]

Wendy, I understand what you are saying, but this IS a speculation forum (which is why it's in a kind of "out-of-the-way" place on the board), and there is little in the way of concrete information even out there. The coroner never released the autopsy report, and may never do so. Even CNN uses tabloid sources now, so there is very little that can be verified. In here, we are just tossing out theories, and I agree that some are far-fetched. But. . . .this is what we have, given the nature of news reporting today.

For example, TMZ is a tabloid type of outlet. Yet we DO know that a lot of their info has proven accurate. So, we just do the best we can. This forum isn't for everyone, of course. Some don't like speculating without concrete "facts." But yet, there is so little out there that can be counted as factual. I know that some folks are waiting for the tox-report, etc. It's quite possible that it will NEVER be released to the public.

If the Jackson family initiates a wrongful-death lawsuit, more facts could come out. But if that even happens, it could be months or even years away.

So yeah, we throw out theories unsubstantiated by much at all in the way of "facts." It just is what it is. . . . . .

peace,

Victoria

 

[SoS]

um well remember the media was going w/ the demerol story....demorol, diprivan?

yes the media was going with the demorol story ... ran with it like a race horse ... what ever happened to it? They went from demerol to "cocktail". Where'd they get that? They went from cocktail to Propofol + "cocktail". Where'd they get that? They got it from a NUTRITIONIST who got on TV and "planted" this story in the public's minds and its been growing like crab grass ever since. Dr. Murray may end up with a spank on the hand after its all over with.

i don't see how or where she lied.

It may not be clear enough to say "she lied" as in the same way you might say it if a person flunked a lie detector test, but it is fair to speculate that she is "fabricating" because of the same reason you say it when your kid is doing it (I know that'll never happen with that cutie lol) when you are paying a certain kind of attention to your child you will notice that "somethin' ain't right" about what they just said. What/who are they hiding and why. In the case of a kid, it could be simple as they didn't want to ask for another cookie before dinner. . . but you get it? Its not a straight up thing they're doing so it can't be called out straight up like that. We're looking through smoke.

also, no one is saying mj was addicted to propofol in teh sense that addicts are addicted to heroin and crack. he justneeded it to sleep and wouldn't be able to sleep w/o it. doesn't mean he's addicted.

if they were to plant a story about mj, don't u think they would've done something a lot more common and a lot more salacious than an iv drip of anesthesia?

you know how they roll - they will use whatever will be "easy" for the public to believe. It will be "easy" to believe it because they will quote people who say he's had anesthesia in a past tour fifteen years ago. Here he is, hasn't toured since then so it makes sense to the public's mind that he'd want it in the way she has put forth.

The only reason I am raising so many suspicions about every dam body that was in that house that day is because not a daggone thing makes any sense. I'm not the one to believe this nutritionist tell me MJ begged her for something, or begged her to do something FAR outside her area of expertise, or her personal medical philosophy that could put his life in certain peril. If true he toured with an anesthesiologist in 1995 that would be the key word. Anesthesiologist. (although I can't spell the darn thing) but u get the point.

That's why they think its easy to "believe". That's why they didn't pick "herion".

Even if that 1995 story is not true, they picked it because they needed something that would dissappear from the body within minutes thereby not be traceable as a "lethal dose" of anything and because the most trouble the criminals would plan on would be a mild degree of manslaughter or medical negligence.

 

[wendy2004]

See, this is what I'm talking about. The nurse didn't say anything about diprivan and a cocktail of drugs. It was solely diprivan and she has stated, in her opinion, that Michael was drug-free and not addicted to ANYTHING. She has been adamant that Michael wasn't a drug addict nor did she see any behavior that would indicate unusual behavior other than his complaints about sleep. It was the police who have tried to convince her that MJ was an addict..which she continues to not believe.

I give up.

 

[troubleman84]

Demerol is slowly coming back to the MJ picture, I'm just hearing Arnold Klein is being investigated and he may be, like Murray, arrested in two weeks, this is according to sources from Faux, er, Fox News. They claim Klein was always giving MJ demerol. Tabloids have also mentioned it recently.

 

[troubleman84]

See, this is what I'm talking about. The nurse didn't say anything about diprivan and a cocktail of drugs. It was solely diprivan and she has stated, in her opinion, that Michael was drug-free and not addicted to ANYTHING. She has been adamant that Michael wasn't a drug addict nor did she see any behavior that would indicate unusual behavior other than his complaints about sleep. It was the police who have tried to convince her that MJ was an addict..which she continues to not believe.

I give up.

Then why mention he begged for it especially if he just wanted it for sleep. She wasn't required to give the stuff to him so Murray's dumb ass was "willing to do anything for his client" and disrespect his oath therefore leading to manslaughter on his part. God knows if Cherilyn had even admitted she was the one who prescribed the stuff, she'd be in the same boat with Murray right effin' now.

 

[wendy2004]

Then why mention he begged for it especially if he just wanted it for sleep. She wasn't required to give the stuff to him so Murray's dumb ass was "willing to do anything for his client" and disrespect his oath therefore leading to manslaughter on his part. God knows if Cherilyn had even admitted she was the one who prescribed the stuff, she'd be in the same boat with Murray right effin' now.

Are you telling me you don't know why she said she came forward? Did people miss WHY this woman said she came forward in the first place to bring the diprivan issue into question?

 

[bgz]

Cherilyn called up the media and the police herself.
That's what I mean by planting the Propofol addiction story.
Dr. Murray murdered Michael Jackson with the Propofol.
Michael Jackson may have used Propofol before; but he was not addicted to it,
nor did he want it on the day of his murder.
There was an expert on CBS news who said it was almost
impossible to become addicted to Propofol, and in his entire
25 year career he knew of only one case.

There are alot of interesting things being discussed in this investigative forum, we're looking for information to better understand just what happened to Michael. What does get rather disheartening is reading statements by members as if they are DOCUMENTED facts. Maybe occasionally stating IMO, or "I think" this could be what happened, or "I believe" this and that. It's really more a matter of semantics to me, because discussing things and looking for answers is not a bad thing.

No, propofol is not addictive per se. Yes, there are documented cases of people, including physicians/residents/interns, using it to gain "pseudo-sleep" when necessary could be viewed as a dependency, not an addiction, big difference. I don't think anyone in this thread is saying Michael was "addicted" to propofol. However, unless I missed something, just where would anyone get the definitive idea that Michael DID NOT WANT IT on the early morning of his death? Imo, of all times, with the stress/rehearsals/insomnia and absolute need for sleep, this would have been the time he would have requested it, if indeed he did.

And about the "raid" of her office, yes they did go to her office with her knowledge and she cooperated, just like with multiple other people whom they followed through on looking for any information that would be deemed of interest. But some part of the puzzle is missing in my mind when it comes to Cherilyn going on television. The jury (me) is still out on that one, so to speak.

As for it being illegal to administer propofol in a home, I don't think illegal would be the appropriate term at this time. There is a move on to make it a controlled substance, hence making it illegal in many scenarios, but at this time "illegal" is not the correct term. Circumstances in this specific case may make it become manslaughter, etc., but as of now it is not illegal to simply have it in "possession". Illegally obtained is one thing, having it prescribed by a physician at this point is not. Circumstances surrounding administration of it is murky, but that should be changing soon.

 

[troubleman84]

it is an illegal misuse of the medicine b/c it is an anesthetic so it's using it for a different reason...i can't word it right. it's misuse of the drug.

if im taking adderall for add but then i grind and snort it, then i can be arrested for that cuz it's worse than cocaine when u do it like that.

so he's using it for a reason other than what it was manufactured for

Even though we can speculate that MJ/Murray was misusing it, it is true that prescription medication, if not treated properly, can affect you even worse than heroin and cocaine. If prescription medication was illegal, both Elvis & MJ would be referred to as "crackheads" instead of people seeking help. You see how they're treating MJ because of unsubstantiated rumors and the fact that the LAPD is investigating the claims that MJ was addicted to the stuff when they should just be investigating Murray speaks volumes to me especially if it's proof that they found other drugs in his system. People are still thinking he had a cocktail of drugs in his system.

 

[Autumn II]

All this is why I asked if anyone has transcripts of what Nurse Lee actually SAID? I saw most of her interviews but didn't transcribe any of them. What is FACT is what she actually said, as in, she did or did not say it. Whether or not what she said is the truth, nobody here has any way of knowing.

What I remember is that she said Michael asked her about Propofol. She did NOT say he asked for any other drugs, or seemed to be in poor health.

Anybody got a transcript?

peace,

Victoria

 

[troubleman84]

Are you telling me you don't know why she said she came forward? Did people miss WHY this woman said she came forward in the first place to bring the diprivan issue into question?

Well a nutritionist suddenly pops up and says something about it and I'm supposed to think it actually solves something? I don't think she's part of any murder plot (which I don't think there is one) but I'm surprised she'll be the first one to mention it, if not to the cops, but to a biased media. They can use her words and make it seem like MJ was begging for it like a crackhead. That's the way they're reporting it.

 

[troubleman84]

All this is why I asked if anyone has transcripts of what Nurse Lee actually SAID? I saw most of her interviews but didn't transcribe any of them. What is FACT is what she actually said, as in, she did or did not say it. Whether or not what she said is the truth, nobody here has any way of knowing.

What I remember is that she said Michael asked her about Propofol. She did NOT say he asked for any other drugs, or seemed to be in poor health.

Anybody got a transcript?

peace,

Victoria

Yeah a transcript would be nice but I do believe that's all she said tho, that he wanted propofol and there's mention (from a$$hole Klein) that he had used it before and "he was fine". Right now there's confusion about what propofol does, in one instance, you're out in ten minutes and come to, but using it just for sleep? Dangerous stuff. Cherilyn also supposedly told MJ that his doctor had mentioned to her that the drug was "dangerous" and she said she couldn't do anything for Michael because of what the doctor said. So he got the cardiologist to give it to him.