Nurse Cherilyn Lee Is a Liar and Possible Supporter of Dr. Murder Murray

[SoS]

This whole thing stinks so bad the more I think about it. Too much to post and I know I will make some people mad for pulling this crapp from my gut but its bugging the hell out of me the more I think about the players who have showed up in the game thus far.

Its like someone said, its like a game of 'clue' and if we can look beyond the media's (typical) BS we can see quite a few clues.

This one is harder for ppl to see through because it involves something so sad.

When the dust settles and we take a step back and really take a hard and close look at the players in the game, their lines and their body language, we will see a farce.

In the old days it was called, Theatre of the Absurd and so much of this crapp that looks normal on the surface is truly just down right absurd.

 

[troubleman84]

^^ Ya feel me. Like I said, it IS like playing "Clue", who is who, you know? It's like everybody's hiding behind different faces or something.

 

[MicHil]

^ agree

He hasn't talked to her in 3 months and he calls her after all that time to ask why he's hot and cold on either side of his body while he has a doctor who sleeps in his house.

yeh ok

exactly!! why would he call her again? after she said "no". wouldn't that kind of end everything between her and him (according to her story)

i'm sorry but all these nurses and w.e coming out are full of BS.

it's MICHAEL JACKSON do you really believe that they would keep their mouth shut for soo long if he really did ask them for drugs and stuff??? NOO!! they would have gone to the press within 24 hours no doubt. we all know the media loves dirts and people loves money apprently.

and if they did care about mike, they would have gone to get contact with the family.
just saying...

there is no way these people could have shut their mouth for soo long if it was true.

basically this is all a cover up for something shady butt bussiness that cause him to.. well nap.

 

[kasume]

When the dust settles and we take a step back and really take a hard and close look at the players in the game, their lines and their body language, we will see a farce.

In the old days it was called, Theatre of the Absurd and so much of this crapp that looks normal on the surface is truly just down right absurd.

Exactly. I feel like I am watching some kind of crime mystery written by the best scriptwriters in the world and played by the best actors in the world. And in the story, it's as if what happened is what happened. It was an ACCIDENT. That's the truth. And the rest of the movie is just watching how everyone else will survive without going down themselves. YET, this mystery is so crazy that it just seems like one big circus....and everyone is acting like such a fool that you start to wonder if fools are what these characters really are. And you question if you were fooled from the very beginning.

If anyone understood all that, then good for them. :clapping:

Man, do I REALLY wish it were just that.....and at the end...the truth prevails and Michael rots up from the grave as a zombie, a fan screams their lungs out...closes their eyes...reopens them. Michael says, "What's the problem? Come on, I'll take you home" revealing it was only a dream.

 

[MicHil]

Man, do I REALLY wish it were just that.....and at the end...the truth prevails and Michael rots up from the grave as a zombie, a fan screams their lungs out...closes their eyes...reopens them. Michael says, "What's the problem? Come on, I'll take you home" revealing it was only a dream.

ooh god, please don't say such sweet things like that :'(... how i wish that would happen.

but hey i believe anything is possible!

or maybe i need to get some professional help!

still waiting for him to say "haha gott youuu" =_=*shrugs

 

[MicHil]

In the old days it was called, Theatre of the Absurd and so much of this crapp that looks normal on the surface is truly just down right absurd.

ya know, i really like that saying. that's my feeling towards the media for such a long time now. this is kind of irrelevant but....

just the whole media, tabloids stuff... =.= it's just soo normal cos it's been around for soo long.

but is it really normal for these people to talk about who's in fashion and who gained weight and who did who? and stalking people's lives.... and invading their privacy and starting rumors and making someone's life a living hell? are these things even important? O_O i honestly don't care about who's dress doesn't match with who's shoes... these things are corrupting the young minds to think such garbage are important to even hear or see!!

OMG what thee efff is happening to this world??

i'm just having another freakdown tonight.

what am i talking about? i need to sleep.

but all in all this nurse is a cheat and a liar. and there's nothing normal about mj's nap.
either mj was addicted to PRESCRIPTION drugs (the press seem to always forget to put that prescription part) or not... there aint nothing Normal or Natural about his napping. this is ridiculous. URGHHH

 

[kasume]

either mj was addicted to PRESCRIPTION drugs (the press seem to always forget to put that prescription part) or not... there aint nothing Normal or Natural about his napping. this is ridiculous. URGHHH

It's the media. :evil: If they have the chance to paint Michael as someone who sniffs crack, then they're GONNA DO IT!! even if it's the last thing they ever report.

 

[Kizmic]

I just want to point out that in my over 4 decades on this planet I have discovered in recent years that sometimes the more convincing a person seems, the more of a liar they really are. This is also true when people stick "God" in the middle of their charades. Not always OF COURSE, but don't be so sure when you're watching a good performance.

Michael said it best (and I realize we know NOTHING at this time)

Some people will do ANYTHING for money, and it was always for money that I have seen some of the best acting there is and they even do it in the name of God, yes they do, and in the name of caring when they could really care less.

Yes, she seems sincere ... for the most part. maybe

Yeah, you might be onto something. I'm trying to give her benefit of a doubt. She does seem convincing but there have been so many people in regards to Michael that had ridiculous claims and did it with a straight face, cry or even talked about being upset.

for example-

Mark Lester (claiming he's the father of Paris)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVpRnUAK-nA

keywords-upset, heartbreaking etc..


This lady still cracks me up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBavBtvQuxY

Then there was that one lady who went on air crying claiming something about MJ fathering her twins but I can't find that one.

It is odd that the nurse mentioned diprivan. Maybe she was in on it in some way. I feel sorry for all of these so called "friends" he had. Vultures

 

[Soso Deaf]

isn't the contention NOW that murray did admit to putting mj on the drip and leaving the room? and that xanax and propofol was found in his system?

if they wanted to portray him as an addict, they would've planted drugs at the house. not pills. and one night's dose worth was found in the closet. he was receiving regular fed ex shipments. he could not get meds in cali and the pharamacy in lv had been known to ship him stuff to tx....so y not la?

i don't get y she would be a liar.

 

[Lily]

Only a one nights supply kept on hand? Fed Ex shipments being sent in on a consistent basis? Or was there only a one night supply on hand just this particular time because he knew no more would be needed? Something isn't right with any of this.....-_-

 

[Loopy]

Can i just please try and help to clear something up?? I used to administer propofol on a daily basis in my job. Propofol is an 'induction' agent that is usually used alongside anaesthetic gas and oxygen. It is calculated very, very carefully by the patients weight. It also does not 'keep' someone asleep unless it is continuously administered. Usually it is given to make the patient go to sleep, then the patient is kept asleep using gas and oxygen. The patient will also be carefully monitored continuously throughout the anaesthetic. Hope this helps a little bit

 

[Ohood]

I thought the chef said no one in the house was allowed upstairs, not even the children. So I would assume their bedroom was downstairs where they were to stay.

And I think the fact it was very hot is because all the fireplaces and heaters on were used by Murray to keep Michael's body warm right after he accomplished his mission.

I hope investigators have figured the whole heat mess out.

this is horrible.

 

[SoS]

isn't the contention NOW that murray did admit to putting mj on the drip and leaving the room? and that xanax and propofol was found in his system?

Woah when was it confirmed what was found in his system? Last I heard all that was on hold indefitely ... I work crazy hours and don't really watch the news like that ... what'd I miss? The last official comment I heard from Murray's lawyer is that they are still waiting for the tox results "to find out why Mr. Jackson died" meanwhile "Dr. Murray is cooperating with the police"

if they wanted to portray him as an addict, they would've planted drugs at the house. not pills

well, the first thing we're being asked to do is accept he whole "Propofol" story was not strategically "placed" in the media to get folks "ready" for Propofol to be the culprit. Based on the circumstances of that story's arrival, it's not credible at this time. How'd they even find a drug in his system that vanishes from your system after a few short minutes ... and as long as they waited to do anything? Its also a drug they would have had to have known to look for. Cherylynn's story didn't hit the airwaves until a good ... what ... 2 weeks later. How can we just accept that?

and one night's dose worth was found in the closet.

Sorry, I don't believe that. Why should we when so much else is not credible?

he was receiving regular fed ex shipments. he could not get meds in cali and the pharamacy in lv had been known to ship him stuff to tx....so y not la?

If he's a doctor and he's not allowed to get any kind of meds in cali, he would have to have any and allmeds shipped from somewhere. Not just "Propofol" The press is trying to make it sound like, "he was receiving regular shipments of Propofol" - there is nothing that I've seen that supports that "sound byte" "regular federal express shipments". Seems to me it could have been anything. HIIPA privacy rules protect a patients' medical history from being splattered all over the world so if he's Michael's doctor he could have been treating him for anything. I'm just saying, where's the substantiation? Again though, I may have missed it.

i don't get y she would be a liar.

I don't think its an accusation per se, I think its just the posters way of saying, "something isn't right" about how randomly she came out of nowhere. Now her random story has found all kinds of validation that would have not otherwise been there.

If the police had gone in there and found this drug on their own without her "heads up" would they have taken it to the lab and checked it out and then began to question whether MJ was in the practice of using it? How come it didn't work out that way? They gave the "all clear" when this first happened stating they "found no red flags" so suddenly someone says, "wait - there's a red flag over there!!" and they go over there and go, "haaay yehhhh that is a red flag ain't it" ... is that basically how it occurred?

I think everyone who has shown their face on all these TV shows are liars in some form or fashion. Considering how it was presented to us, I don't see why we should believe any of it.

 

[CherubimII]

Sometimes, but not always, I think Dr. Murray is an idiot fall guy, and a poorly qualified doctor, who could not follow the directions being given to him by others. :doh:
In addition, he was either too greedy to hire a nurse to assist him or he did not want anybody to know what he was doing.
One thing for certain, although he had only one patient,
he did not provide Michael Jackson with quality Medical Care.

 

[MyLoveMJ]

I honestly don't think that this women is a liar, to be honest.

 

[SoS]

^ would you please do "the math" on this situation in light of everything we're saying that doesn't "add up" and show us where it does?

That's all I'm asking from any of this. Please show me where something "adds up"

I honestly don't think that this women is a liar, to be honest.

Exactly WHY NOT, please ... please, I want to see where it adds up.

 

[Autumn II]

We have no tox report and no autopsy report, and at this point, we have no concrete facts about what was in Michael's system. There have been "leaks" attributed to the LAPD, but there is no way of knowing if they're accurate. Soso, yeah, the latest leaks say "Propofol and Xanax." But there is no way to know if that's real, or put out there by someone other than the LAPD, or what? We don't KNOW, and that's what's so frustrating.

As far as the nurse is concered? We don't KNOW if she's lying. If she is, what would be the motive?

1. She was the one who turned the investigation to Propofol. Why? What, if any, advantage would there be to AEG (if there is a larger conspiracy) for death to be by Propofol rather than by a "controlled substance?" Maybe because if death were by narcotics, Murray would be doing hard time (supplying narcotics to a known addict). Michael WAS a known addict. . .stint(s) in rehab for narcotics addiction? On the other hand Propofol is NOT a narcotic and would not have been illegal to possess or to administer to Michael. Just incredibly stupid. Loss of medical license, and manslaughter, but probably no jail time for Murray.

2. Was she just being a good citizen and coming forward? If so, why did she not go to the police first, instead of collecting talk-show-bucks? Or maybe she DID go to the police and they told her to keep quiet? But if they told her to keep quiet. . . she didn't.

3. She said she did extensive blood-tests on Michael, and didn't say she found narcotics. Adding credibility to the idea that Murray didn't give him narcotics? Don't know.

4. Another question is, did Michael REALLY ask her for Propofol? If not, why make it up? See above, about Propofol not being technically a "controlled substance," meaning that Murray could get probation with manslaughter. If an offshore account waits for him, it's not a bad trade-off for a guy who was already broke?

5. Another question that comes to mind. if Murray is from Texas, why the accent! Where is he from? (Does he want to go back there, lie on a beach, with a drink -- complete with tiny umbrella -- in his hand? Might be a good getaway from "baby-mama" problems, too? Don't know.

 

[CherubimII]

I honestly don't think that this women is a liar, to be honest.

I'm suspicious of Nurse Cherilyn, because:
1. She never followed up her concerns about Michael's medical care with his physician. That is what a medical professionals must do.

2. Instead of first going to the police, and telling them she might have some information that could help with their investigation into the death of Michael Jackson, she went straight to the media, and appeared on all the available media news shows she could.

 

[Autumn II]

I'm suspicious of Nurse Cherilyn, because:
1. She never followed up her concerns about Michael's medical care with his physician. That is what a medical professionals must do.

2. Instead of first going to the police, and telling them she might have some information that could help with their investigation into the death of Michael Jackson, she went straight to the media, and appeared on all the available media news shows she could.

These are good points. However, she covered #1 by saying she didn't know who Michael's doctor WAS. That, in itself, is strange, because nurses usually work with doctors, and are unable to prescribe medications. Only doctors can. Those hot/cold symptoms were SO unusual that she should have urged whoever she was speaking with on the phone to take Michael to a hospital immediately. So yeah, that's strange.

In terms of #2, we don't know for certain that she didn't go to the police. I think someone mentioned maybe she did, but the cops told her not to reveal that? But why NOT, because if she had, it certainly didn't shut her up! Also, her statements on the various talk shows were nearly identical in language. As if scripted and rehearsed.

Here's another point. She said several times that "Michael was afraid of needles," and "afraid of pain." I can't prove it, but I find this unlikely. Michael is seen by some as having been frail or weak. He may have been that physically at times, but NOT mentally. Remember the HIStory tour concert when the bridge collapsed? His back was injured and he had to be in a lot of pain, but he pushed through it and finished the song. He was TOUGH about physical pain. In his lifetime he had many medical procedures, including multiple surgeries on his scalp after the burn injury. He was, in a sense, habituated to medical procedures, and I can't see being afraid of needles as a part of that? He wasn't a four-year-old girl, but a grown MAN! Even right after the burn injury itself, he was TOUGH. He was in a lot of pain, but his thoughts were for his fans. He walked off the stage -- was not carried -- despite the severity of his injury. He requested his glove so he could wave to fans and show them he was ok, even as he was being put on the ambulance. Afraid of a little thing like needles? I really doubt it, and I've not heard that said before, by anyone but "the nurse." Makes me think she didn't really KNOW him? Did she? Really? I question everything, these days.

 

[wendy2004]

We have no tox report and no autopsy report, and at this point, we have no concrete facts about what was in Michael's system. There have been "leaks" attributed to the LAPD, but there is no way of knowing if they're accurate. Soso, yeah, the latest leaks say "Propofol and Xanax." But there is no way to know if that's real, or put out there by someone other than the LAPD, or what? We don't KNOW, and that's what's so frustrating.

As far as the nurse is concered? We don't KNOW if she's lying. If she is, what would be the motive?

1. She was the one who turned the investigation to Propofol. Why? What, if any, advantage would there be to AEG (if there is a larger conspiracy) for death to be by Propofol rather than by a "controlled substance?" Maybe because if death were by narcotics, Murray would be doing hard time (supplying narcotics to a known addict). Michael WAS a known addict. . .stint(s) in rehab for narcotics addiction? On the other hand Propofol is NOT a narcotic and would not have been illegal to possess or to administer to Michael. Just incredibly stupid. Loss of medical license, and manslaughter, but probably no jail time for Murray.

2. Was she just being a good citizen and coming forward? If so, why did she not go to the police first, instead of collecting talk-show-bucks? Or maybe she DID go to the police and they told her to keep quiet? But if they told her to keep quiet. . . she didn't.

3. She said she did extensive blood-tests on Michael, and didn't say she found narcotics. Adding credibility to the idea that Murray didn't give him narcotics? Don't know.

4. Another question is, did Michael REALLY ask her for Propofol? If not, why make it up? See above, about Propofol not being technically a "controlled substance," meaning that Murray could get probation with manslaughter. If an offshore account waits for him, it's not a bad trad-off for a guy who was already broke?

5. Another question that comes to mind. if Murray is from Texas, why the accent! Where is he from? (Does he want to go back there, lie on a beach, with a drink -- complete with tiny umbrella -- in his hand? Might be a good getaway from "baby-mama" problems, too? Don't know.

3. Murray didn't come onto the scene until May.

5. He's from Trinidad

I'm suspicious of Nurse Cherilyn, because:
1. She never followed up her concerns about Michael's medical care with his physician. That is what a medical professionals must do.

2. Instead of first going to the police, and telling them she might have some information that could help with their investigation into the death of Michael Jackson, she went straight to the media, and appeared on all the available media news shows she could.

1. She said she tried to follow up but could not reach anyone by phone. Please remember that she was also ILL herself and had to be admitted into the emergency room on the other side of the country. Based on her interviews it appears she had no indication that Michael was seeing any other doctor at the time so how could she talk to one? She was solely trying to treat him for nutritional issues. He only spoke about the doctor (wouldn't tell her the doctor's name) from the past who had given him propofol before. Now, WE knew he was going to Klein but we assumed that was strictly for skin issues.

Also, Nurse Lee was only on the scene from the end of January thru April. Murray did not come to L.A. until May. And also, if she had the number to the house, the phones had been disconnected days before MJ's death. We know this becuz, if you believe Deepak, he received a song about the environment from Michael during the days before he died, but when he tried to call the number back, the phone had already been shut off. So it seems somewhere between Father's Day and the day MJ died, the phones were disconnected.

2. I'm glad she spoke out first becuz the police have actually asked some folks to stay quiet after they were interviewed. If they had told Nurse the same, we would have never known about propofol and everyone would be running wild still with these oxycontin and every drug you can imagine stories. StateofShock asked why would the police first come out and say they saw no signs of foul play, well that was BEFORE Nurse Lee came forward. It did seem like the only reason they were investigating at all was to appease the family. I've always said and suspected that they were ready to close this case as an overdosed celebrity issue and call it a day.

However, when Nurse Lee came forward about the propofol, they had no choice but to follow up on it becuz it would have been a travesty of justice if they hadn't. It was all over the media. The story spread like wildfire even tho most ppl thought it was BS. Funny enuf, turns out there was some truth to it. I honestly believe if this nurse didn't come forward they would have swept propofol under the rug, deemed MJ an addict based on other drugs in his house or system and said that was the reason he died...or that he died "mysteriously". Case closed, Murray free, etc. But that's just what I think.

 

[wendy2004]

These are good points. However, she covered #1 by saying she didn't know who Michael's doctor WAS. That, in itself, is strange, because nurses usually work with doctors, and are unable to prescribe medications. Only doctors can. Those hot/cold symptoms were SO unusual that she should have urged whoever she was speaking with on the phone to take Michael to a hospital immediately. So yeah, that's strange.

She's a nurse practioner. She works on her own, separately from a doctor. She's also a certified nutritionist and capable of working for herself...which is how she was called in to assist with MJ's sick kids. And she DID tell them to take him to the hospital for the hot and cold symptoms. It's in the interviews?


Edit: And the thing about needles. You'd be surprised what some of the strongest and toughest ppl in the world are afraid of. There are some muscle-bound wrestlers who are afraid of spiders. Everyone has a phobia or discomfort level about certain things. And others have said the same about MJ and his fear of needles. That has been consistent. As for myself, I have a fear of them, too...but once it's in and I don't feel that initial pain, I'm fine...as long as I don't look at it. I know other ppl who are like that, too. It doesn't mean we aren't strong as steel about other things.

 

[CherubimII]

Unfortunately, Michael Jackson's death was due to the
maliciousness and greed of multiple people, not all of whom
have been revealed to the public.
Michael Jackson brought music and magic to
this planet, and he really deserved to be treated by
Earth's other inhabitants with respect, but he
wasn't. I suppose that's why God went
ahead and called him back home.
Allow me to say thank you, Michael Jackson, as for the other Earthlings...
"Maybe Tomorrow"
Click on and Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XiaMu56J0Y

 

[LisaB]

Loopy, How is propofol administered as a pure sedative and not an induction agent? Do you still need oxygen administered?State of Shock I understand what you are saying. But if Murray told the cops that he gave MJ propofol then it wasn't to throw them off track. And I thnk Murray did tell the cops this if I go by what his lawyer has said. I do have issues with the rumours that MJ supposedly using this on and off for 10yrs. More musing. If MJ was looking for an anesthesiologist then it makes u wonder if he ever had it administered out of hospital before. Because why would he be so adamant about getting an anesthesiologist and not just a regular doctor? This musing is assuming nurse Lee is being truthful.

 

[troubleman84]

But even with her mentioning propofol, the story still doesn't make complete sense. It's like we're going backwards on the whole thing. I still think the LAPD should've did a comb-over of the house. You mean to tell me it took a nutritionist to go to the media (or to them presuming she went to them later) to say "wait I think he was using propofol" and yet they recover other drugs from the house. That's why it don't add up. How can TMZ leak a story saying they knew what was in him and yet the story has never been confirmed (and TMZ has pretty much shut up about that leak) and yet propofol is supposed to disappear from your body after you take it. Another source told the AP that Mike was giving some sedatives before he left to "take calls on his cellphone". Maybe that's why he wasn't on no system to control his propofol usage because he wasn't on the propofol at the time of his death. He might've had a VIOLENT reaction to the sedative he took and that's how he had cardiac arrest. It's not clear if it was JUST the propofol that caused his death. We're still not sure.

 

[Autumn II]

She's a nurse practioner. She works on her own, separately from a doctor. She's also a certified nutritionist and capable of working for herself...which is how she was called in to assist with MJ's sick kids.


Edit: And the thing about needles. You'd be surprised what some of the strongest and toughest ppl in the world are afraid of. There are some muscle-bound wrestlers who are afraid of spiders. Everyone has a phobia or discomfort level about certain things. And others have said the same about MJ and his fear of needles. That has been consistent. As for myself, I have a fear of them, too...but once it's in and I don't feel that initial pain, I'm fine...as long as I don't look at it. I know other ppl who are like that, too. It doesn't mean we aren't strong as steel about other things.

Ah, ok. This and other posts explain some things. What I'm left with, primarily, is an "impression." Not facts -- because there are so few facts out there that can be verified. In terms of "impressions," I'm EXTREMELY good at reading people. (I'm a teacher, and have taught literally thousands of students. In my teaching, I present "facts," but do much more than that. I can usually tell if a student is troubled, needs someone to talk to. Things like that.) So all I have is an "intuition" about the nurse. Maybe she's exactly who she says she is, did exactly what she said she did. That is surely possible.

I keep returning to the Propofol, and that without her, it might never have been found. If I had known Michael used/wanted such a drug, I would have gone immediately to the police, and NOT to the talk shows. If the police didn't take me seriously, yeah, maybe the talk-shows. (I've been interviewed on tv before, during the trial, and I hate it! And no, I didn't get paid for it. . . . ) But yet she said on that first round of talk shows, that she had not spoken to police. I find that very strange. Maybe that's just me, but I would have called the LAPD on the evening of Michael's death, if I'd known such a thing about him. Wouldn't YOU have done that?

 

[wendy2004]

It's all unclear becuz we don't have all the missing pieces and lots of ppl/sources are leaking legit info and probably illegitimate info to rattle the people they are after. It's all relative under the law...unfortunately.

 

[troubleman84]

^^ They're already talking too much if we're to EVER believe ANYTHING from TMZ or even the AP.

 

[wendy2004]

Ah, ok. This and other posts explain some things. What I'm left with, primarily, is an "impression." Not facts -- because there are so few facts out there that can be verified. In terms of "impressions," I'm EXTREMELY good at reading people. (I'm a teacher, and have taught literally thousands of students. In my teaching, I present "facts," but do much more than that. I can usually tell if a student is troubled, needs someone to talk to. Things like that.) So all I have is an "intuition" about the nurse. Maybe she's exactly who she says she is, did exactly what she said she did. That is surely possible.

I keep returning to the Propofol, and that without her, it might never have been found. If I had known Michael used/wanted such a drug, I would have gone immediately to the police, and NOT to the talk shows. If the police didn't take me seriously, yeah, maybe the talk-shows. (I've been interviewed on tv before, during the trial, and I hate it! And no, I didn't get paid for it. . . . ) But yet she said on that first round of talk shows, that she had not spoken to police. I find that very strange. Maybe that's just me, but I would have called the LAPD on the evening of Michael's death, if I'd known such a thing about him. Wouldn't YOU have done that?

I probably would have...or I would have waited to see what they came up with on their own before I spoke up. However, I'm glad she did come forward after the police tried to portray that "no foul play" was involved here. I could be wrong with my timeline, but I'm almost sure she came forward after the prelim report said "no foul play" seemed to be in order. I was happy she spoke up before the tox part was completed so that the coroners could check for propofol when they initially had no reason to. She even states the authorities told her that had she not come forward they WOULDN'T have tested for it. Whether she's telling the truth about that, who knows?
Let me ask you, would you have been content to just have the stories about MJ being a raving drug addict, if in fact that had nothing to do with his death, play out these past 2 months instead of something else that could have been missed?

And when Murray's lawyer says he told them about propofol, I'd like to know exactly when that was...becuz if, in fact, he had told them they why would police thank Nurse Lee for bringing it to their attention. She said this on tv so if she was lying it's not like she thought she could get away with saying that without it being true. Lots of details are off, but I'm sure sooner or later, it will all come out.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

Lots of details are off, but I'm sure sooner or later, it will all come out.

We can only hope, but I'm not holding my breath on this being solved. I pray it is but until then I will continue to question all the odd things that seem to have gone and don't add up - thats why I come to this 'investigative' forum to discuss how it may have all happened, thats what this forum is for....

 

[SoS]

Why would someone feeling they are in a physiological crises, (hot/cold on either side) and someone who chose to call her because he trusts her to help for whatever reason that he chose her, when that nurse did help him by telling him it sounds like its related to nervous system, brain, cardiovascular and that he should go to the hospital, why would he not do it, or at least follow up this very critical matter right away. She basically told him she has no idea what the problem was but whatever it was could be serious.

I feel that one reason its hard to wade through all this is because inside most fiction is an element of truth. We're just trying to distinguish what from what.

As for MJ being afraid of needles, Mark Lester said the same thing and that that is why MJ would always refuse accupuncture. I found that hard to believe because MJ is, as Vic said, not that kind of fraidy cat - look what he put himself through just to make a short film - he's not afraid of some kind of plastic prosthesus being popped into his eyes to create himself into a monstor but he's too afraid of needles to get once and for all possible cure for what ails him.

Plus though, another thing that doesn't add up is, if he is so "afraid of needles" how can he be this person who wants one stuck in him every night before he goes to bed. Those two things contradict eachother.

Also, over time, finding veins to use to stick IV needles in can become a huge problem due to soreness from repeated use, finding other veins to use - remember - he supposedly used the stuff on a regular -

I agree with Vic that its possible that the Propofol angel was chosen because the implications are far less severe than if it was narcotics which would get Murray in a lot more trouble than he (literally) "bargained" for. I feel he did whatever he did to get himself out of some severely hot water financially. Remember when this was first in the news, it was "reported" that Dr. Murray had not yet been paid?

If that's true, was this a 'carrot dangled on a stick' for him .... that he would be paid ....after??

Whatever is going on all I can say right now is, Lord help, this is crazy.