One of the follower fans speaks out (Threads merged)

[Anna]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

How do you know they were TINI? Many people believe Michael's 'friends' didn't do enough during those last few weeks but it doesn't mean they are members of TINI.

Well those people need to stop acting like Michael was a baby. He was an adult. A very capable, intelligent adult.

 

[L.T.D]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

Well those people need to stop acting like Michael was a baby. He was an adult. A very capable, intelligent adult.

Yeah they are unintentionally insulting him.

I think Michael was very well aware of his weight. It wouldnt suprise me if that was the weight he wanted to be at to perform. He was 50 remember, he needed to be a little thinner than he was performing in his 20's and 30's.

 

[xo_lola_xo]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

TINI = HATRED. NOT JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL.

I wish they would just shut the heck up. Seriously. They do not represent every fan! Why the hell can they not understand that??

 

[L.T.D]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

TINI = HATRED. NOT JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL.

I wish they would just shut the heck up. Seriously. They do not represent every fan! Why the hell can they not understand that??

I dont know. They seem to have become full of themselves....without reason :S

 

[eStyle]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

TINI = HATRED. NOT JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL.

I wish they would just shut the heck up. Seriously. They do not represent every fan! Why the hell can they not understand that??

Damn, I'm gettin more confused here over this whole thing day by day...
I agree you but on the other hand I agree to some of the TINI fans, too! I mean they're sayin' that Michael did not want to do 50 concerts, that he was talkin about gettin murdered etc. Well, I do wanna believe this cuz' it could make sense, tho' on the other hand I kinda don't wanna believe it cuz' it could be just wrong!
I don't know what and who to believe anymore, really - I'm just fu**in confused and very sad 'bout this whole bullsh** here that happened... All of this is makin' one like This Is It less from day to day due to the reason that I can't stop thinkin' that Mike died because of all of this bs here. As long as it's really true and if Mike really did not wanna do the 50 concerts, if he wanted to do concerts at all, cuz' then surely this would be the thing what killed him. If Mike didn't feel uncomfortable with doing these shows, then I really don't know any further, guess it would be only Conrad Murray's fault then but I really don't know nothing here anymore...damn, makin me sick...!

 

[Krshna28]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

Think this way,

AEG and Sony are super massive companies that are only bothered in making money.

Michael alive means $10,000,000,000s - through a World Tour + Tour Souvenirs, New Albums, Compilations, Music Videos, DVD's, Blu Rays, Autobiography, etc. Also FILMS - Michael wanted to make films. Blockbuster films make $500,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 in just ticket sales alone. Michael would only make films if they were big and spectacular!!!!!


Whereas Michael dead means $100,000,000s!!!!!!! - No World Tour, No new albums just old released and unreleased songs, No new Films, No new Music Videos, No new Autobiography!!! They could released old previously unreleased songs, but they won't sell as well as a complete new Album with proper Music Videos. Also, because many of them are just demos or at the very best unpolished songs, they won't do as well as a song that Michael intended to release!!!!!!!


Only a man like Tom Sneddon would think about killing him!!!!!!!!!!

 

[144000]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

Think this way,

AEG and Sony are super massive companies that are only bothered in making money.

Michael alive means $10,000,000,000s - through a World Tour + Tour Souvenirs, New Albums, Compilations, Music Videos, DVD's, Blu Rays, Autobiography, etc. Also FILMS - Michael wanted to make films. Blockbuster films make $500,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 in just ticket sales alone. Michael would only make films if they were big and spectacular!!!!!


Whereas Michael dead means $100,000,000s!!!!!!! - No World Tour, No new albums just old released and unreleased songs, No new Films, No new Music Videos, No new Autobiography!!! They could released old previously unreleased songs, but they won't sell as well as a complete new Album with proper Music Videos. Also, because many of them are just demos or at the very best unpolished songs, they won't do as well as a song that Michael intended to release!!!!!!!


Only a man like Tom Sneddon would think about killing him!!!!!!!!!!

so u r saying MJ is worth more alive than dead. and there are others that say he's worth more dead than alive.

not that anybody knows everything....

but the sure thing is, there are more questions than answers here.

 

[earthlyme]

Re: One of the follower fans speaks out

I saw this video yesterday. I also went to their site TINI! and read the testimonies. Then I remembered the post that was on here b4 June 25th, and the interaction between a particular fan and Karen Faye about Michael. I remember Almost everyone said it was NOT True and that this fan was lying. I dont know if i replied to that at all, but I remember many people that was against it. Now, I wish I had believed them, after all they're fans and they dont want anything from Michael except his happiness and health.

The letters they wrote to Michael was somewhat emotional. Well, in truth, i cried, thinking that, that was the last contact he had with the fans, (reading the letters).

TINI are like us on here,on MJJC, or MJEOL, or other MJ sites. Like this IU, they created a bigger Investigative site. They're one of us and I think its sad that we got divided...

Thankyou for this thread...


L.O.V.E.
Romi

 

[MJsMagic]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

I think Michael was healthy but I do believe that he didn't want to do 50 shows in London. Even his daughter said that they worked her father to death and she was there. She is young but she is smart and she knows what she saw. Even the chef said that Michael told her himself that they were killing him. He was already thin and if they were working him to death I'm sure he was losing more weight. I can see TINI's point but the bottom line is he was murdered and it wasn't an accident.

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

I do believe that he didn't want to do 50 shows in London.

yes, 50 shows with those crazy dates. And the press conference he says 10 shows, but when turned 50 shows things have changed.

 

[Krshna28]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

so u r saying MJ is worth more alive than dead. and there are others that say he's worth more dead than alive.

not that anybody knows everything....

but the sure thing is, there are more questions than answers here.

I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that Sony and AEG would want to kill him.

If it goes deeper like the TINI say it does then it's definitely not about money!!!!!!

I personally don't believe any of those conspiracy theories. The more I think and research about them, the more false they feel. Murray made a gigantic mistake and he must pay for it!!!!

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

I've already voiced my opinion on this campaign, so I don't have much to say about them. But I will say this, Michael was incredibly business smart, I just have a hard time believing that he was forced into all this with AEG and the concerts.

 

[Gottobethere]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

I think Michael was healthy but I do believe that he didn't want to do 50 shows in London. Even his daughter said that they worked her father to death and she was there. She is young but she is smart and she knows what she saw. Even the chef said that Michael told her himself that they were killing him. He was already thin and if they were working him to death I'm sure he was losing more weight. I can see TINI's point but the bottom line is he was murdered and it wasn't an accident.

We are hearing that Michael didn't turn up for rehearsals a lot but then we here that he was over worked. Is Michael a perfectionist? if so then he was pushing himself, he didn't need anybody else pushing. He wasn't doing any more work for this tour than any of the others in fact by most reports he was doing less.

 

[MJsMagic]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

The thing about the people that are saying Michael was over worked and didn't want to do the concerts and that AEG and Sony are behind his death is that they were around him. It is his family, the follower fans, his chef and even Paris says her father was worked to death according to LaToya. These people were there and saw him in real life. Other people that think he was enthused and wanted to do 50 shows just are going by the footage of some rehearsals that have been edited.

 

[Gottobethere]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

The thing about the people that are saying Michael was over worked and didn't want to do the concerts and that AEG and Sony are behind his death is that they were around him. It is his family, the follower fans, his chef and even Paris says her father was worked to death according to LaToya. These people were there and saw him in real life. Other people that think he was enthused and wanted to do 50 shows just are going by the footage of some rehearsals that have been edited.

If we were going by the footage we would be saying he wasn't there too often because of the lack of actual footage they have of him rehearsing. Paris is a child and i doubt she would know how much work he was actually doing, the followers themselves don't appear to be saying he was over worked, they are saying the pressure was too much but not the work. I don't know if he was excited about the shows or dreading them but i do respect his decisions as a man and like all of us if we commit ourselves to something then we have to get to work until it's done.

 

[Thetruthbetold]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

had to come in this thread.. all i'm say is you all havn't seen nothing yet when the truth comes out the minds are going to be :shock: later ya'll

 

[Emerald]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

Why do people think TINI are bad? I thought the core TINI were completely pro-justice for Michael. You'll always have extremists who break away.

What reason would the fans who sent testimonies in to TINI have to lie? Why would they lie about Michael being skin and bone? I don't get what logical reason they would have to lie about that. They were followers so they clearly wanted what was best for Michael, even if that meant challenging him.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

The thing about the people that are saying Michael was over worked and didn't want to do the concerts and that AEG and Sony are behind his death is that they were around him. It is his family, the follower fans, his chef and even Paris says her father was worked to death according to LaToya. These people were there and saw him in real life. Other people that think he was enthused and wanted to do 50 shows just are going by the footage of some rehearsals that have been edited.

The dancers were there. The band members were there. They were tremendous fans of Michael, too. They all say by the time of that last week he was in top form. And they saw him much more than LaToya, Joe and the follower fans during this period of time.

And I know they were paid, but just like I don't believe you could pay a real fan of MJ's to go on television and say Michael molested children, I don't believe you could pay these dancers and some others to say Michael was fantastic and enthused, especially those last few rehearsals, if he was not.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

What reason would the fans who sent testimonies in to TINI have to lie? Why would they lie about Michael being skin and bone? I don't get what logical reason they would have to lie about that. They were followers so they clearly wanted what was best for Michael, even if that meant challenging him.

Well, according to the Coroner, he wasn't skin and bones? He was 136 pounds. Does this mean the Coroner is lying, too. (In earlier years, he weighed less)

The follower fans definitely had MJ's best interest at heart, but that doesn't mean their perceptions were wholly accurate. Or they were getting the whole picture.

I can believe MJ told them negatives, just like I can believe he told friends like Akon and Elizabeth Taylor he was excited. There had to be many up and down periods for EVERYONE. With the magnitude and expense of the production, tensions were running especially high. Of course, Michael had and expressed conflicting emotions. His career was riding on this comeback.

 

[Emerald]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

Well, according to the Coroner, he wasn't skin and bones? He was 136 pounds. Does this mean the Coroner is lying, too. (In earlier years, he weighed less)

The follower fans definitely had MJ's best interest at heart, but that doesn't mean their perceptions were wholly accurate. Or they were getting the whole picture.

I can believe MJ told them negatives, just like I can believe he told friends like Akon and Elizabeth Taylor he was excited. There had to be many up and down periods for EVERYONE. With the magnitude and expense of the production, tensions were running especially high. Of course, Michael had and expressed conflicting emotions. His career was riding on this comeback.

You're right, 136lbs is only slightly underweight. The recommended weight for a small-framed 5'9 man is 142 - 151 lbs. That's hardly skin and bones like the follower fans say. Hmmmmm. It's all so hard to make sense of really.
Why were they so concerned then? :S

 

[Asedora]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

The TINI stuff is so contradictory and confusing. I don't want to comment too much on it as it has divided the fans. All I will say is that I just pray that the truth about what happened to Michael will come out eventually. Michael deserves justice and we all need to be behind it.

There is nothing confusing about TINI. This girl has no reason to lie. Michael has a long history of problems dealing with music industry sharks in Hollywood. It very obvious what this girl is saying. Ppl are not blind. AEG and Sony are part of this murder. Michael did not want to do 50 shows, he was pushed to do it because money and company greed. He was under stress and pressure. AEG taped every MJ move so then they could make money out of it. It worked. TII movie is a very successful project and many fans went 5 times to see it.

 

[Memefan]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

I dont like her tactics
MJ fans were screaming murderer muderer
as Murray appeared .. it just remined me of
those who were attcking MJ before he got his trial.

We cant represent Michael with hate or malice in our heart
If we do that we are NOT repesenting Michael

When kenny ortega twittered he had Bonchitus
Samatha replied to him "I hope you choke to death"

which he left up for all to see
as she and Karen Faye had been sending him
terrible things on twitter

Then she twittered
"Murderer" to kenny ortega

This is hateful and done with much malice
and that is not what Michael would have wanted

Even TINI stated she did NOT represent them when doing
such things .. becuase they got so many repies about what
Samanth was doing in thier name-

plus she was not being truthful in this interview
They did NOT place those letters in Mjs hand
they were given to a secutiry guard who said
he would give them to Michael.

they didnt find out he recieved them untill the memorial service
when the guard stated he gave them to Michael that evening.

These letters were very sensitive in nature
more or less them telling MJ they felt he was
not able or ready to doing the concerts _
They had lost faith in his ability to do so

I am trying to understand how Michael
may have felt that evening as he read all 25
of those letters _ just as he was getting ready
to embark on his creation TII _im sure it caused
him much concern that evening.

They were doing what they felt was right
but Michael didnt like negativity or being told he CANT
and especially to hear that from his fans must have
been overwhelming to him that evening.

I wish Murray would have never show up that night
Im sure Michael was very vunerable and had a more difficult
time sleeping ..

I do not belive in any conspiracy
My opinion is Murray acted alone with gross neglegence
he didnt care for his patient properly and was more interested
in the $$$$$ he would recieve. I dont think he had intent or
malice or for-thought of killing Michael

2nd degree will be very hard to get convition form a Jury
so said Tom Mez _ who also stated he though Murray should
have a Fair trial but CONVICT HIM ..

Well put.

These stalker fans need to put a sock in it.

I saw several tweets that Karen Faye & some stacker fans sent to Kenny the day of Prince's birthday. smdh too sad.

I really hope he reports them to the police, because some of these tweets were veer threatening.

I think Michael was healthy but I do believe that he didn't want to do 50 shows in London. Even his daughter said that they worked her father to death and she was there. She is young but she is smart and she knows what she saw. Even the chef said that Michael told her himself that they were killing him. He was already thin and if they were working him to death I'm sure he was losing more weight. I can see TINI's point but the bottom line is he was murdered and it wasn't an accident.

I have only heard this as second and info from Latoya and she is the least reliable tool out there. So, take it with a bucket of salt. Latoya said TII used a double...and she claimed it wasn't MJ singing. She claimed to have seen MJ molested children....Do you need more proofs of how unreliable Auntie Latoya has been in the past?

One last thing re: TINI Am I the only one questioning the state of mind of people who leave their family, jobs, friends to follow MJ around? I mean seriously...I love MJ, but never in a million years would have drop everything to go stand in front of his house. I find it very scary.

I seriously think some of these people were stalkers, now that MJ is gone, they are having a hard time coping and try to embark on a new crusade to give some meaning to their "life".

My honest opinion. And I am surprised that people don't find anything disturbing or peculiar with this. Notice, it is almost those same TINI that are now worshipping Karen Faye .

 

[gerryevans]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

You're right, 136lbs is only slightly underweight. The recommended weight for a small-framed 5'9 man is 142 - 151 lbs. That's hardly skin and bones like the follower fans say. Hmmmmm. It's all so hard to make sense of really.
Why were they so concerned then? :S

Because he was overstressed and they could see it. And because they were fully aware of all the hell he'd been through in his life and the detrimental affect it had on him, and they were genuinely afraid for him. Their reaction was normal.

The reality is we all go through extremely stressful periods at time, and our love ones get very concerned. The difference is we get through those periods.

Michael didn't.

And the follower fans attribute that tragedy to many people involved with TII.

I just attribute the tragedy to one person, Conrad Murray. I happen to believe Michael would have gotten through his stressful period too like most of us, if not for this incompetent, arrogant quack.

 

[MJearthsong]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

I dont like her tactics
MJ fans were screaming murderer muderer
as Murray appeared .. it just remined me of
those who were attcking MJ before he got his trial.

We cant represent Michael with hate or malice in our heart
If we do that we are NOT repesenting Michael

When kenny ortega twittered he had Bonchitus
Samatha replied to him "I hope you choke to death"

which he left up for all to see
as she and Karen Faye had been sending him
terrible things on twitter

Then she twittered
"Murderer" to kenny ortega

This is hateful and done with much malice
and that is not what Michael would have wanted

Even TINI stated she did NOT represent them when doing
such things .. becuase they got so many repies about what
Samanth was doing in thier name-

plus she was not being truthful in this interview
They did NOT place those letters in Mjs hand
they were given to a secutiry guard who said
he would give them to Michael.

they didnt find out he recieved them untill the memorial service
when the guard stated he gave them to Michael that evening.

These letters were very sensitive in nature
more or less them telling MJ they felt he was
not able or ready to doing the concerts _
They had lost faith in his ability to do so

I am trying to understand how Michael
may have felt that evening as he read all 25
of those letters _ just as he was getting ready
to embark on his creation TII _im sure it caused
him much concern that evening.

They were doing what they felt was right
but Michael didnt like negativity or being told he CANT
and especially to hear that from his fans must have
been overwhelming to him that evening.

I wish Murray would have never show up that night
Im sure Michael was very vunerable and had a more difficult
time sleeping ..

I do not belive in any conspiracy
My opinion is Murray acted alone with gross neglegence
he didnt care for his patient properly and was more interested
in the $$$$$ he would recieve. I dont think he had intent or
malice or for-thought of killing Michael

2nd degree will be very hard to get convition form a Jury
so said Tom Mez _ who also stated he though Murray should
have a Fair trial but CONVICT HIM ..

Qbee, the letters were given to Michael. But the security then took them and apparently gave them to Michael again when he came home. I don't necessarily believe what that guard said, so we don't know actually if he read them or not.
And Michael would not have been pained by the letters, because he himself told the fans he had issues with the concerts.

 

[MJearthsong]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

watching this is it makes me not believe this 1 little percent, these people havent watched the film because they are protesting against it lol.

if they would watch it surely they would see that what theyre saying is wrong LOL

I've seen the film many times and I still believe 100% what TINI says.

 

[happie]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

I dont like her tactics
MJ fans were screaming murderer muderer
as Murray appeared .. it just remined me of
those who were attcking MJ before he got his trial.

We cant represent Michael with hate or malice in our heart
If we do that we are NOT repesenting Michael

When kenny ortega twittered he had Bonchitus
Samatha replied to him "I hope you choke to death"

which he left up for all to see
as she and Karen Faye had been sending him
terrible things on twitter

Then she twittered
"Murderer" to kenny ortega

This is hateful and done with much malice
and that is not what Michael would have wanted

Even TINI stated she did NOT represent them when doing
such things .. becuase they got so many repies about what
Samanth was doing in thier name-

plus she was not being truthful in this interview
They did NOT place those letters in Mjs hand
they were given to a secutiry guard who said
he would give them to Michael.

they didnt find out he recieved them untill the memorial service
when the guard stated he gave them to Michael that evening.

These letters were very sensitive in nature
more or less them telling MJ they felt he was
not able or ready to doing the concerts _
They had lost faith in his ability to do so

I am trying to understand how Michael
may have felt that evening as he read all 25
of those letters _ just as he was getting ready
to embark on his creation TII _im sure it caused
him much concern that evening.

They were doing what they felt was right
but Michael didnt like negativity or being told he CANT
and especially to hear that from his fans must have
been overwhelming to him that evening.

I wish Murray would have never show up that night
Im sure Michael was very vunerable and had a more difficult
time sleeping ..

I do not belive in any conspiracy
My opinion is Murray acted alone with gross neglegence
he didnt care for his patient properly and was more interested
in the $$$$$ he would recieve. I dont think he had intent or
malice or for-thought of killing Michael

2nd degree will be very hard to get convition form a Jury
so said Tom Mez _ who also stated he though Murray should
have a Fair trial but CONVICT HIM ..

I cant see the video clip yet but I like your post qbee. I am with you on your views about Murray. And what i cannot agree is to continue allowing Murray to practice before the verdict is out. They should have revoked his license until the case is finalized. Are US really lacking in doctors that much that they have to continue to let him practice at this stage?? He needs to be punished for his gross negligence which cost someone's life, whether it is MJ or not. I simply cannot comprehend the way things work in US.

 

[MJearthsong]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

Well those people need to stop acting like Michael was a baby. He was an adult. A very capable, intelligent adult.

Every adult has low moments when he needs help. I myself know for sure. I am now in a depression because too many bad things happened and can't do anything myself. People need help in these situations, when they are alone and desperate. Just like a child

 

[MJearthsong]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

TINI = HATRED. NOT JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL.

I wish they would just shut the heck up. Seriously. They do not represent every fan! Why the hell can they not understand that??

You must be a hater yourself if you can say such a horrible thing. TINI is about justice, not about fan politics. They are about facts and first hand testimonies.

 

[MJearthsong]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

Think this way,

AEG and Sony are super massive companies that are only bothered in making money.

Michael alive means $10,000,000,000s - through a World Tour + Tour Souvenirs, New Albums, Compilations, Music Videos, DVD's, Blu Rays, Autobiography, etc. Also FILMS - Michael wanted to make films. Blockbuster films make $500,000,000 to $2,000,000,000 in just ticket sales alone. Michael would only make films if they were big and spectacular!!!!!


Whereas Michael dead means $100,000,000s!!!!!!! - No World Tour, No new albums just old released and unreleased songs, No new Films, No new Music Videos, No new Autobiography!!! They could released old previously unreleased songs, but they won't sell as well as a complete new Album with proper Music Videos. Also, because many of them are just demos or at the very best unpolished songs, they won't do as well as a song that Michael intended to release!!!!!!!


Only a man like Tom Sneddon would think about killing him!!!!!!!!!!

Michael alive would only have made more money than Michael dead if he was CAPABLE physically of doing hundreds of shows and if he was more mainstream (remember before his death people used to call him names, it was even a shame to say in public you like him)

 

[MJearthsong]

Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

You're right, 136lbs is only slightly underweight. The recommended weight for a small-framed 5'9 man is 142 - 151 lbs. That's hardly skin and bones like the follower fans say. Hmmmmm. It's all so hard to make sense of really.
Why were they so concerned then? :S

Exactly. If he was just slightly underweight, would they go to him and say please stop, we don't want you to die? Unless they saw something really really worrisome and bad? They tortured themselves a lot before saying that, because they didn't want to upset Michael. But in the end they decided it's better for MJ to live even if that meant him banning them in the extreme