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is that normal. im trying to picture it and a vial inside and iv bag? why?ok, that's a VIAL .
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is that normal. im trying to picture it and a vial inside and iv bag? why?ok, that's a VIAL .
when you go to a doctor in US they always tell you to bring your medications or a list of it.I think it's probable that Alvarez might have thought they'll go the hospital and show the doctors the medicines so that they can do the proper treatment.
IMO...they couldnt hook Michael up to a foley every ingle night....when a foley is inserted it is ment to be there for a few days....if they keep taking it out and putting it in daily MJ ran the risk of getting a bladder infection....maybe in this situation a condom catheter was the less invasive..of the two it can be put on and taken off.
IMO...they couldnt hook Michael up to a foley every ingle night....when a foley is inserted it is ment to be there for a few days....if they keep taking it out and putting it in daily MJ ran the risk of getting a bladder infection....maybe in this situation a condom catheter was the less invasive..of the two it can be put on and taken off.
that not the issue. if u every OD on something or your kid drinks something bad like i dunno meths. if u look on the bottles it always says take this to you to the drs. thats what alberto was saying. he thought he was colelcting the drugs so at the hosptial they knew exactly what mj had takenOh ok, since we have 'socialised health care' in Barbados, we would not have to.
I just spoke to my sister and she said she doesn't know why they would use a condom catheter as opposed to a regular catheter as the regular catheter would constantly expend the urine. She said catheters can be used for sedation for long periods of time, but it isn't absolutely necessary.
I was also looking online. I don't know who this person is, it's from Yahoo Answers, but maybe someone here can help. This is what was said:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070303014012AAgbuvs
So people what are we missing? If a condom catherters requires a patient to urinate as usual, then why would that one be used if MJ was supposed to be asleep?
I don't mean to get stuck on this, I am just very curious now. I will keep looking.
IMO...they couldnt hook Michael up to a foley every ingle night....when a foley is inserted it is ment to be there for a few days....if they keep taking it out and putting it in daily MJ ran the risk of getting a bladder infection....maybe in this situation a condom catheter was the less invasive..of the two it can be put on and taken off.
I just spoke to my sister and she said she doesn't know why they would use a condom catheter as opposed to a regular catheter as the regular catheter would constantly expend the urine. She said catheters can be used for sedation for long periods of time, but it isn't absolutely necessary.
I was also looking online. I don't know who this person is, it's from Yahoo Answers, but maybe someone here can help. This is what was said:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070303014012AAgbuvs
So people what are we missing? If a condom catherters requires a patient to urinate as usual, then why would that one be used if MJ was supposed to be asleep?
I don't mean to get stuck on this, I am just very curious now. I will keep looking.
maybe Murray had the vial of propofol inside a bag..so it would not get contaminated??? Maybe Alverez thought the bag was hooked to somthing...but it wan't...it was just used as storage for the vial??is that normal. im trying to picture it and a vial inside and iv bag? why?
is that normal. im trying to picture it and a vial inside and iv bag? why?
is that normal. im trying to picture it and a vial inside and iv bag? why?
your welcome....I do have nurses aid backround so I do know about something that have to do with things of this nature. NA sometimes have to do alot of thing that nurses are suppose to do.Thanks xthunderx,
I also just found online that condom cathers can be used for incontinence (the inability to control one's bladder) as well. So I think it was for what I was told from the beginning, he was to be under for a long period of time and would not have bladder control so the catheter would catch the urine.
I think I will stick to this unless more info is revealed. It sounds the most plausible.
Thanks again! (I just like to be clear or I get lost too easily.)
I'm only going by what I've worked with. When someone is sedated more than "lightly" for more that a short period of time, quite frequently they become incontinent of urine if the bladder fills and they do not "wake up" with the sensation/urgency to urinate. Perhaps this is something Michael even requested because he would be too sedated or he did not want to take the effort to get up or use a urinal and disturb his ability to return to "sleep". Actually out of all the iffy/strange things in this case, having a condom catheter ranks really low in significance to me considering the whole scenario of using Propofol plus all the other meds.
thats what ithought the iv bag holds the contents and thats it. nothing makes sense about this. if we dont get the transcripts for the trial this is going to be a nightmareNo, I've never seen such thing, what for? lol
But that's quite normal for a 50 year old male though isn't it?
a larger prostate would slow the flow of urine down though.
The enlargement of the prostate gland stretches and distorts the urethra and so obstructs the urine flow. Symptoms include:
- a weak or interrupted urinary stream. Several attempts to empty the bladder may be necessary.
- difficulty starting the urine flow, even when the bladder feels full.
- a feeling the bladder is not completely empty.
- a need to urinate often during the day and during the night. Increased need to urinate in the night is usually a very early symptom.
- a need to urinate right away. Some men may experience involuntary discharge of urine.
- dribbling of urine after urination.
- burning sensation or pain during urination.
What is Flomax?
Flomax (tamsulosin) belongs to a group of drugs called alpha-adrenergic blockers. Flomax relaxes the muscles in the prostate and bladder neck, making it easier to urinate.
Flomax is used to improve urination in men with benign prostatic hyperplasia (enlarged prostate).
hehe yes thats true but i believe every thing is importent for the case
but would he liked to urinated in his sleep? is that even possible? i cant imagine.. and when he woke up id rather go to a bathroom than pee in a condom *im woman* in my bed and go asleep again
maybe Murray had the vial of propofol inside a bag..so it would not get contaminated??? Maybe Alverez thought the bag was hooked to somthing...but it wan't...it was just used as storage for the vial??
I don't understand all the focus on the catheter. Michael wasn't having a normal sleep when you automatically get up and go to the bathroom if you have to pee. He was sedated! He wasn't gonna wake up if he had to pee! Add this to his prostate problem and to me that's enough to explain the cathether.
hehe yes thats true but i believe every thing is importent for the case
but would he liked to urinated in his sleep? is that even possible? i cant imagine.. and when he woke up id rather go to a bathroom than pee in a condom *im woman* in my bed and go asleep again
when you go to a doctor in US they always tell you to bring your medications or a list of it.I think it's probable that Alvarez might have thought they'll go the hospital and show the doctors the medicines so that they can do the proper treatment.
no thats not true the hospital need to see the meds and want you to take them with you.. not to use but to see them people can mixupe names and mgs so..
That is true. When my granddad goes to the hospital we have to bring all his medication and show it to the doctor. It is much easier than trying to remember all the names of the medication, some that I can't pronounce to save my life.
My pet peeve is that the bodyguard did this before he even called for help.
that not the issue. if u every OD on something or your kid drinks something bad like i dunno meths. if u look on the bottles it always says take this to you to the drs. thats what alberto was saying. he thought he was colelcting the drugs so at the hosptial they knew exactly what mj had taken
A respect77,
Can you tone it down just a bit please?
Thank you.
the panic.. the shock... but the Bodyguard ( and Doctor ) should be prepared, each day emotionally R-e-a-d-y to face the situation like this!The first thought would be urgently to call to hospital if the present doctor there ( murray ) can't help, while your boss on a bed and not breathing.Exactly! They should call 911 immidiately, not to wait 20 freaking minutes!. This is all they had to do. Now it is easy to say that they were cleaning up as Murray said if their fingerprits were found on these bottels. I do not believe these bodyguards either.