Some say MJ was A Devil Worshiper

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I am sorry but this is ridiculous. All I ever heard more than anything that Michael always thanked God first for all the blessings and anything good in his life. Even his talent. He would say that was god given and he had nothing to do with it.

People have said insane things about Michael but this is too much. It's bad enough the terrible things people say about Michael still and it just needs to stop already.
 
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The only thing you can do is guide your boyfriend into doing some research about Michael. If he does a research with an open mind, he will learn Michaels was never frieldy with the devil. There're so many negative things said about Michael but only the lazy people just decide to believe them. I think your boyfriend just saw those crazy vids & decided to believe that. Do him a favor and give him a Michael 101 class.
 
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I guess he is referring to the sign we see on the right here?

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And he wrongly assumed it represented the devil horns? I guess he is not aware of its other meaning, so you should make him read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ILY_sign



We know that Michael loved using deaf sign language, as we can see at the end of this video the little boy is translating Michael's speech in sign language:



One hand on his heart, the other hand pointing an ILY sign towards his fans, nothing demonic here. ;D
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That is exactly the signs he was taltalking about. He thinks it means devil horns.
 
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I am sorry but this is ridiculous. All I ever heard more than anything that Michael always thanked God first for all the blessings and anything good in his life. Even his talent. He would say that was god given and he had nothing to do with it.

People have said insane things about Michael but this is too much. It's bad enough the terrible things people say about Michael still and it just needs to stop already.

I agree it is ridiculous saying MJ was a devil worshiper. I do get tired of him coming down on Michael. My boyfriend is the first person that I have met that feels this way about MJ.
 
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The only thing you can do is guide your boyfriend into doing some research about Michael. If he does a research with an open mind, he will learn Michaels was never frieldy with the devil. There're so many negative things said about Michael but only the lazy people just decide to believe them. I think your boyfriend just saw those crazy vids & decided to believe that. Do him a favor and give him a Michael 101 class.

I plan on making a video of Michael showing images of him praying with audio talking about his belief in God.
 
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Michael Jackson was a bleached white racist anti-semitic castrated asexual gay bisexual gender confused transvestite transgender presexual pedophile woman-rapist virgin satanist illuminati autistic schizophrenic manic depressive mentally regressed noseless (50+ surgeries just on his nose) drug addict alcoholic with no biological children, one child that he intentionally used a vitiligo sperm donor for and also at least 11 illegitimate kids (Donte Jackson, Prince Malachi Jet Jackson, Billie Jean's twins, Mocienne Petit Jackson, that woman who claimed he raped her at a party in 1983, Omer Bhatti, those quadruplets from 2004).

Does that about cover it?

Ha let's hope there are no more.

By the way someone mentioned that they came into the room where Michael was recording, and saw him on his knees thanking God for his talent. The person closed the door quietly and left. No one who has worked with Michael has ever said they saw him or heard him worshiping the devil. To be honest, I simply thought all the signs Michael made with his hands were artistic movements to do something different, or point focus to the overall line of his body, including the way he turned his head or placed his feet. Even for the deaf sign I do not even know if he used it as a deaf sign or simply to do something creative with his fingers. It is like tapping your feet and then someone saying "oh you are tapping Twinkle Little Star" when all the time you were merely tapping her feet.
 
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My god just dump him already and problem solved. I couldn't be with someone so closed-minded, who easily buys into such B.S. He obviously had ill feelings towards MJ already to believe such garbage and watch vidoes about it. o_O
 
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Although I agree you have the right to "question" whatever rumors about Mike (as stupid as they are) I also believe that if you were completely sure he WAS NOT anything your boyfriend claims he was, you would've formulated the question differently..for example "what do you think about Michael being called a devil worshiper" or something similar..NOT "was MJ.." so and so..because YOU ALREADY KNOW he wasn't..right? Just leave the man..if he made you turn to us to be completely sure about what you already believed was the truth, then he's not a healthy influence on you and your love for Michael..just sayin'. :mello:
 
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Then why did you bring it up and call Michael gullible for it, if you don't believe it?

Again, you are assuming I am saying things which I didn't. When did I say "I don't believe it"? I am unsure whether he did or didn't. I used the word reportedly because it can be true or false you cannot prove to me Michael Jackson did not convert to islam some sources say he did and some say he didn't. Chance applies to everything. For example, I do not believe Michael molested children in-fact I am certain he didn't and even being proved not guilty on all accounts there is still a possibility he did.

I used the word gullible because ifit is true he converted to islam I think he is too easily persuaded to change faiths which is what the definition of the word is "Easily persuaded to believe something. If you go from JW, christianity and islam does that not speak to you as someone that can easily be driven to different religions?
 
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^^ Dilan. I understand your point and that could be true in some instances. but even if that was the case which it is not for Michael. Someone converting to another faith doesnt always mean they were gullible easily persuaded. They may have studied and came to that decision carefully. Because you have no belief in God or dont understand the differences and similarities in JW and Cristianity or the actual tenents of the Muslim faiths. That may be your natural assumption that people are easily swayed when making such decisions. In matter of faith most people are not usually easily persuaded. Any more than you could be easily persuaded to believe in God. For most a Conversion is a spiritual thing not just reading or knowing the tenents of each religion's beliefs.


But anyway Michael never converted to Islam.
The story was made up in the SUN tabloid. There is plenty to show he didnt and zilch proof he did.

The story was shown to be false when the people who were suppose to be involved with his conversion stated publically it never happened. One was Cat Stevens. Then Michael's attorney who was in London working on a case for MJ at that time the story was released was asked if the story was true. He publicall stated it was BS that MJ has not convered to Islam... It was fiction. Michael's own brother Jermaine who did convert to Islam stated MJ did NOT. You will find plenty of info from those who personaly knew Michael to show he did not and nothign to show he did. The pic you showed was a disquise he used to blend in ( a womans cover) and doesnt in anyway give ANY evidence or indication MJ converted to Islam. To use that pic for any evidence of a conversion shows people are easily persuaded by tabloid nonsense.

Michael didnt didnt just sway from faith to faith he was raised JW but didnt follow many of its tenents after he left the faith. While JW and Cristianity have differences they also hold many of the same beliefs so it not an unatural or hard conversion for many. I also dont think Michael was gullible or swayed easily. He was very well read and well studied and it's documented that he asked many questions about other faiths and beliefs. He also stated he didnt like labels Placed on religion that he just believed in God what the Bible said as far as what religion. He certainly didnt read the Koran daily as those closest to him stated he read the Bible daily. In fact the Bible was present on his death bed... no sign of any Koran.
 
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Michael would say God Bless You. I never knew Michael but I have been a fan since 1982 and all I ever heard from him as how he thanked God for his blessings and he always looked to spiritual guidance in his life. I think anyone who thinks differently are letting their imagination run wild and looking for things that are just not there.
 
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Again, you are assuming I am saying things which I didn't. When did I say "I don't believe it"? I am unsure whether he did or didn't. I used the word reportedly because it can be true or false you cannot prove to me Michael Jackson did not convert to islam some sources say he did and some say he didn't. Chance applies to everything. For example, I do not believe Michael molested children in-fact I am certain he didn't and even being proved not guilty on all accounts there is still a possibility he did.

No, it doesn't work that way. It's not me who has to prove that MJ did not convert to Islam, the burden of proof is on those who claimed he did. It's always up to the person who alleges something to prove that something did happen. Just because something is claimed it does not become a "maybe he did, maybe he did not" situation. Especially when the claim comes from people with questionable credibility, in this case tabloids (the origin of that rumor can be traced back to tabloids, even if when it comes to Michael "serious papers" have no problem with reprinting the stories of tabloids).

In most cases you can go to the root of a claim and see whether the original source is credible, whether there is any support for that claim and whether there are facts those disprove that claim. That way you CAN make a conclusion on most claims whether they are true or not (and for that matter that is why I'm SURE Michael was innocent of the allegations). Unfortunately most people just take what they read in a paper at face value, without checking the info's validity. And to be honest IMO it's a lazy stance to take when someone says "It was in the papers, so maybe it's true, maybe it's not". In many, many cases you actually CAN check out if it is true or not! In this particular case Qbee wrote about what you could have found if you had background checked this claim. It's not a case of "maybe he converted to Islam, maybe he did not". He did not, period.
 
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For example, I do not believe Michael molested children in-fact I am certain he didn't and even being proved not guilty on all accounts there is still a possibility he did.
Oh really? Well damn if that's how u see things!? Well, no wonder then! SMH I suggest kindly u do some other investigations on many MJ related things, to ease ur mind then. o_O
 
from reading or watching his interviews you learn that Michael had great faith in God & Christ. He displays characteristics that Jesus said people should have as far as loving other & helping others. here are some excerpts from his interviews displaying his faith.

A lot can be learned about a man's character by what that man says, how he lives his life out, how much he gives of himself, how many people he affects and how far-reaching his effect is. A lot about a person's character can also be revealed by what those closest to him (and that would only include those who are true friends and not opportunists) say about him, and the words they use to describe that person. Here, listen to what Michael says, and what others who knew him best and just a small handful of the millions of those whose lives were affected by him, say about him and how they describe him. Michael was truly a man of character.

"I believe in the Bible and I try to follow the Bible. I know I’m an imperfect person… I’m not making myself an angel because I’m not an angel and I’m not a devil either. I try to be the best I can and I try to do what I think is right. It’s that simple…I don’t just pray at night. I pray at different times during the day. Whenever I see something beautiful, I say, "Oh, God, that’s beautiful." I say little prayers like that all through the day."

1979 JET Magazine

Michael Speaks on Faith:

"...But I will never stop helping and loving people

the way Jesus said to."

God is in Control & We Are All In God's Hands:

"...Look, we don’t have control over the grounds, they can shake. We don’t have control over the seas, they can have tsunamis. We don’t have control over the skies, there are storms. We’re all in God’s hands. I think that man has to take that into consideration."

Michael Jackson in his 2007 Ebony Magazine interview
His Belief In and Love For God:



I believe in God.....I gain strength from God. I believe in Jehovah, God, very much.....I believe in God and love God."



On His Creativity Being God's Work:



"No one can quite say what the creative process is. Because I have nothing to do with it of course. It's created in space. It's God's work, not mine."



Ebony/Jet 2007 interview



I wrote "Will You Be There?" at my house, "Never Land" in California....I didn't think about it hard. Thats why its hard to take credit for the songs that I write, because I just always feel that it's done from above. I feel fortunate for being that instrument through which music flows. I'm just the source through which it comes. I can't take credit for it because it's Gods work. He's just using me as the messenger....



Ebony/Jet 2002 interview



God and Children, Being Childlike and Imitating Jesus:



"When I see children, I see the face of God. That's why I love them so much. That's what I see."



"Children show me in their playful smiles the divine in everyone. This simple goodness shines straight from their hearts and only asks to be lived."



"I think God outdid Himself when He created children."



"I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all."



Michael Jackson

Oprah Winfrey interview 1993.



"Like the Bible says. A child should be leader of them all, and to be led by that kind of innocence. Didn't Jesus say 'bring on the children?' Be like the children. Not childish, but child-like. That kind of innocence."



Michael Jackson in the Martin Bashir outtakes



"....I love to do things for children and I try to imitate Jesus. And no, I am not saying I am Jesus, I'm not saying that.... I'm trying to imitate Jesus in the fact that he said to be like children, to love children, to be as pure as children, and to make yourself as innocent and to see the world through eyes of wonderment and the whole magical quality of it all and I love that. And we'll have like a hundred bald headed children, they all have cancer, and they're all running around. And they are enjoying themselves and it makes me cry happy tears that I was able to do this for them, you know. (It) makes me so pleased inside."



"I will never stop helping and loving people the way Jesus said to. He said "Continue to love. Always love. Remember children. Imitate the children." Not childish, but childlike."



2003 60 Minutes TV interview with Ed Bradley



His Love For Animals and God's Creation:



"God created animals. And they’re loving; they’re beautiful. I feel the way (anthropologist) Jane Goodall does or any of those naturalists. I don’t find my interest in animals weird or strange at all."



1999 TV Guide Magazine



The Power of Love, Caring, Faith and Prayer:



"With just a little love and a little caring, I have seen kids totally turn around. Where you can't find any cancer at all anymore in their body. I've done it a lot of times. I'm not trying to say I'm Jesus Christ. We should just give a little more attention to the power of love and caring and faith and prayer."



Michael Jackson in the Martin Bashir outtakes



His Values:



"Caring. And reading the Bible, learning about God, Jesus, love. He said, 'Bring on the children', 'Imitate the children', 'Be like the children' and 'Take care of others.' Take care of old people. And we were raised with those values. Those are very important values and my family and I we were raised with those values and they continue strong in us today."



2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview



The Source of his compassionate nature:



"I truly think it comes from my mother and God. The way we were raised. The values my mother instilled in us in youth. She was always with the Bible teaching us - we’d go to service all the time. Four times a week, and I’m so glad we did that because those values are very important. I don’t know if I could have done as well without them."



2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview



How he views himself:



"I try to be kind and generous and to give to people and to do what I think God wants me to do. Sometimes I pray and say "where do you want me to go next, God? What do you want me to do from here?" I’ve always been very spiritual in that way. It’s nothing new."



2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview



His Purpose of God's Choosing:



"I really believe that God chooses people to do certain things, the way Michelangelo or Leonardo da Vinci or Mozart or Muhammad Ali or Martin Luther King is chosen. And that is their mission to do that thing. And I think that I haven't scratched the surface yet of what my real purpose is for being here.



I'm committed to my art. I believe that all art has as its ultimate goal the union between the material and the spiritual, the human and the divine. And I believe that that is the very reason for the existence of art and what I do. And I feel fortunate in being that instrument through which music flows .... Deep inside I feel that this world we live in is really a big, huge, monumental symphonic orchestra. I believe that in its primordial form all of creation is sound and that it's not just random sound, that its music. You've heard the expression, music of the spheres? Well, thats a very literal phrase. In the Gospels, we read, "And the Lord God made man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul." That breath of life to me is the music of life and it permeates every fiber of creation.



In one of the pieces of the Dangerous album, I say: "Life songs of ages, throbbing in my blood, have danced the rhythm of the tide and flood." This is a very literal statement, because the same new miracle intervals and biological rhythms that sound out the architecture of my DNA also governs the movement of the stars. The same music governs the rhythm of the seasons, the pulse of our heartbeats, the migration of birds, the ebb and flow of ocean tides, the cycles of growth, evolution and dissolution. It's music, its rhythm. And my goal in life is to give to the world what I was lucky to receive: the ecstasy of divine union through my music and my dance. Its like, my purpose, its what I'm here for."



Ebony/Jet 2002 interview



"What can I do but bring forth the talent that God gave me? That's all I wanted to do. To share the love and gift of entertainment. That's all I want to do. I don't want to hurt anybody."



Michael Jackson

2002 Radio interview with Steve Harvey



"I’m just a person who wants to be honest and do good, make people happy and give them the greatest sense of escapism through the talent God has given me. That’s where my heart is, that’s all I want to do. Just let me share and give, put a smile on people’s faces and make their hearts feel happy."



1999 The Daily Mirror Magazine



"I think…to give. In the best way I can, through song and through dance and through music. I mean, I am committed to my art. I believe that all art has as it's ultimate goal the union between the material and the spiritual, the human and the divine. I believe that to be the reason for the very existence of art. And I feel I was chosen as an instrument to just give music and love and harmony to the world. To children of all ages, and adults and teenagers.... I love people of all races from my heart, with true affection."



1993 TV Interview with Oprah



"It's been the children. I am holding on for them or else I wouldn't have made it. I really wouldn't have made it.....God gave me a mission, I feel to do something for them and they have given me the support and the belief and the love to hold on, hold on. When I look in the mirror I feel healed all over again. It's like being baptized. It's like God saying, "Michael, everything will be okay," when I look in the eyes of a child."



The Michael Jackson Tapes



Winning God's Smile of Approval:



"I’ve traveled the world over 8 times. I do as many hospitals and orphanages as I do concerts. But, of course, it’s not covered (by the press). That’s not why I do it, for coverage. I do it because it’s from my heart. And there are so many children in the city who haven’t seen the mountains, who haven’t been on a carousel, who haven’t pet a horse or a llama, never seen them, so if I can open my gates and see that bliss, an explosion of screaming laughter from the children and they run on the rides, I say "Thank you, God." I feel I’ve won God’s smile of approval, because I’m doing something that brings joy and happiness to other people."



2005 At Large with Geraldo Rivera TV Interview



His Mother and the Faith She Instilled in Him:



"My mother knew her polio was not a curse but a test that God gave her to

triumph over, and she instilled in me a love of Him that I will always have.

She taught me that my talent for singing and dancing was as much God's work

as a beautiful sunset or a storm that left snow for children to play in.

Despite all the time we spent rehearsing and travelling, Mom would find time

to take me to the Kingdom Hall of the Jehovah's Witnesses, usually with

Rebbie and LaToya.



Years later, after we had left Gary, we performed on "The Ed Sullivan Show",

the live Sunday night variety show where America first saw the Beatles,

Elvis, and Sly and the Family Stone. After the show, Mr. Sullivan

complimented and thanked each of us; but I was thinking about what he had

said to me before the show. I had been wandering around backstage, like the

kid in the Pepsi commercial, and ran into Mr. Sullivan. He seemed glad to

see me and shook my hand, but before he let it go he had a special message

for me. It was 1970, a year when some of the best people in rock were losing

their lives to drugs and alcohol. An older, wiser generation in show

business was unprepared to lose its very young. Some people had already said

that I reminded them of Frankie Lymon, a great young singer of the 1950s who

lost his life that way. Ed Sullivan may have been thinking of all this when

he told me, "Never forget where your talent came from, that your talent is a

gift from God."



I was grateful for his kindness, but I could have told him that my mother

had never let me forget. I never had polio, which is a frightening thing for

a dancer to think about, but I knew God had tested me and my brothers and

sisters in other ways - our large family, our tiny house, the small amount

of money we had to make ends meet, even the jealous kids in the

neighbourhood who threw rocks at our windows while we rehearsed, yelling

that we'd never make it. When I think of my mother and our early years, I

can tell you there are rewards that go far beyond money and public acclaim

and awards."



Michael Jackson in "Moonwalk"



Leave Room For God To Walk In The Room:



"We would work on a track and then we’d meet at his house, play what we worked on, and he would say, ‘Smelly, let it talk to you.’ I’d go, ‘OK.’ He’d say, ‘If the song needs something, it’ll tell you. Let it talk to you.’ I’ve learned to do that. The key to being a wonderful writer is not to write. You just get out of the way. Leave room for God to walk in the room. And when I write something that I know is right, I get on my knees and say thank you. Thank you, Jehovah!"



Michael talking about working with Quincy Jones and how God was behind his creativity, from the Ebony magazine 2007 interview



Believing in the Bible:



"I avoid using the term 'religion', because many people say 'my religion' this and 'my religion' that. Why should it be 'my' religion? I just believe what’s in the Bible with regard to which religion is involved. I simply believe.... I believe in it and I get down on my knees every night and thank God and ask Him to lead the way."



1979 Ebony Magazine interview



An excerpt from a 1977 interview Michael did with Timothy White. Michael was 19 at the time. It was published in Rock Lives (1990) and republished in the Q/Omnibus Press Rock N' Roll Reader (1994).



But there's a lot of ugliness in the world, too, a lot of cruelty. Did God create that?

No! That's because of man! Man is because of the fallen angels. It says in the Bible that all this would happen, and it's all coming true.



It's easy to judge the world from the privileged safety of America If you'd been to India and seen the ugliness there...

I can't wait! I that's what I want to see!

I've seen the very rich and the very poor, but I'm mainly interested in the poor. I don't wanna think the whole world is just like what's around here. I want to appreciate what I have , and try to help others.



I know what the rich are like. I've studied that country India so much, and when I go to other countries, people say, "You wanna see the ugly part of it?" [Nods] That's what I want to see!



What are you looking for?

[Smiling] I want to see what it's really like to starve. I don't want to hear it or read it. I want to see it.



Why?

It's a whole different thing when you see it! All the things I've read in my schoolbooks about England and the Queen were OK, but my very eyes are the greatest book in the world. When we did the Royal Command performance over in England, and then after it I actually looked into the Queen's eyes, it was the greatest thing! And it's the really the same thing with starvation! [Dreamily] When you see it, you just receive a little more.



On studying the Bible:



"Each day I take time out to study the Bible, no matter where I am. The teachings of the Bible have added a new dimension to my life. It, somehow, makes me whole."



Michael Jackson

1976 "Black Stars" Magazine interview



Appreciating God's Beauty:



"Wherever you go, man-made things are man-made, but you’ve got to get out and see God’s beauty of the world."



1979 JET Interview



"I pray a lot. I see a beautiful sunset and I say "God, that’s beautiful…Thank you”, or a baby smile or butterfly wings or anything like that.”



1987 Ebony/JET TV Interview



On remaining humble, despite his stardom:



"I never have felt that people should feel that they are better than others, simply because they just happen to possess a larger share of material items and monetary wealth than others less fortunate. I believe in sharing, assisting, and just lending a helping hand to people."



Michael Jackson

1976 "Black Stars" Magazine interview



His Philosophy for staying at the top:



I think, being humble and believing in yourself and having true love in your heart for the world, and really trying to help people through lyrics and the love of music and dance, because I truly do love people very much."




http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/His-Faith.html
 
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Wonderful ^^Billy. There is so much proof by his charitable works, songs, and words to show he believed and worshiped God, that I do not understand why a group of people will collect a bunch of signs made by artists, attach demonic significance to them, and then try to teach the masses that these demonic interpretations are legit. I mean, these are the same people who claimed England was going to sell Big Ben in April 2012 due to a deal they made with the devil, and 911 was payback for a deal the president made with the devil. It is time to leave these devil conspiracy theories alone, and it is crazy that they have now attached themselves to Michael's artistic expression. By the way who told these people what the expressions mean? Was it the devil himself or other devil worshippers? Just plain nonsense......

Further, if you believe in the Bible, the devil/satan was supposed to be a handsome angel who became vain and wanted to overthrow God. He was a yum yum angel, the type people would make manhood threads about. It is only after humans wanted to show the evilness of satan to caution people from following evil behaviors/thoughts, they began to show him with horns and looking very evil and scary. So who is the person who made up this story about the 2 fingers representing horns, because the devil according to the bible is a handsome dude.
 
If you're an athiest you can tell your bf, believing in god is as ridiculous as worshipping the devil because archeologist have tried for decades to find signs, places or objects there are supposedly in the bible and they have found nothing.

The sign horns is mainly used in rock or heavy metal music and it doesn't even have a demonic meaning.
Ronnie James Dio Rainbow, Heaven and Hell (aka Black Sabbath) and DIO singer on the maloik:

Metal-Rules.com – "I want to ask you about something people have asked you about before but will no doubt continue to talk about, and that is the sign created by raising your index and little finger. Some call it the "evil eye." I would like to know if you were the first one to introduce this to the metal world and what this symbol represents to you?"

R.J. Dio – "I doubt very much if I would be the first one who ever did that. That's like saying I invented the wheel, I'm sure someone did that at some other point. I think you'd have to say that I made it fashionable. I used it so much and all the time and it had become my trademark until the Britney Spears audience decided to do it as well. So it kind of lost its meaning with that. But it was...I was in Sabbath at the time. It was a symbol that I thought was reflective of what that band was supposed to be all about. It's NOT the devil's sign like we're here with the devil. It's an Italian thing I got from my Grandmother called the "Malocchio". It's to ward off the Evil Eye or to give the Evil Eye, depending on which way you do it. It's just a symbol but it had magical incantations and attitudes to it and I felt it worked very well with Sabbath. So I became very noted for it and then everybody else started to pick up on it and away it went. But I would never say I take credit for being the first to do it. I say because I did it so much that it became the symbol of rock and roll of some kind."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_of_the_horns
 
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No, it doesn't work that way. It's not me who has to prove that MJ did not convert to Islam, the burden of proof is on those who claimed he did. It's always up to the person who alleges something to prove that something did happen. Just because something is claimed it does not become a "maybe he did, maybe he did not" situation. Especially when the claim comes from people with questionable credibility, in this case tabloids (the origin of that rumor can be traced back to tabloids, even if when it comes to Michael "serious papers" have no problem with reprinting the stories of tabloids).

In most cases you can go to the root of a claim and see whether the original source is credible, whether there is any support for that claim and whether there are facts those disprove that claim. That way you CAN make a conclusion on most claims whether they are true or not (and for that matter that is why I'm SURE Michael was innocent of the allegations). Unfortunately most people just take what they read in a paper at face value, without checking the info's validity. And to be honest IMO it's a lazy stance to take when someone says "It was in the papers, so maybe it's true, maybe it's not". In many, many cases you actually CAN check out if it is true or not! In this particular case Qbee wrote about what you could have found if you had background checked this claim. It's not a case of "maybe he converted to Islam, maybe he did not". He did not, period.

Even though now after looking at the background of sources I no longer believe it (thank you qbee). You cannot say "He did not, period". You don't know that. Maybe the burden of proof is on those who claim something however just because somebody doesn't have any proof or solid evidence for anything that doesn't make something have absolutely no possibility - which is where chance comes in. I cannot think of a great example off the top of my head but if Stranger 1 said to Stranger 2 "I didn't do x don't tell anyone" and Stranger 2 betrayed him and went to court and told the court what happened how can he prove it to anyone if he had no evidence i.e no witnesses or a tape recorder present.

In england 'The Sun' make a whole load of BS and the Islamic thing i'm sure was not the only one. However what i'm saying is like it or not chance does apply to everything and something can easily become a "maybe he did, maybe he did not" situation for people. Which is how conspiracy theories take form.
 
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^^ In a court the person who alleges something has the burden of proof on him. I think actually it's a good rule to follow in everyday life as well. Otherwise you let any slander become a "maybe it happened" stuff and that's not fair to anyone who is slandered and accused of something. And people's tendency to accept anything that is claimed as a "hm, maybe it happened" is actually what tabloids build on - and IMO people need to be more critical and skeptical of tabloid claims.
And conspiracy theories without evidence are laughed at by critical thinkers.
 
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Although I agree you have the right to "question" whatever rumors about Mike (as stupid as they are) I also believe that if you were completely sure he WAS NOT anything your boyfriend claims he was, you would've formulated the question differently..for example "what do you think about Michael being called a devil worshiper" or something similar..NOT "was MJ.." so and so..because YOU ALREADY KNOW he wasn't..right? Just leave the man..if he made you turn to us to be completely sure about what you already believed was the truth, then he's not a healthy influence on you and your love for Michael..just sayin'. :mello:

I am COMPLETELY sure he was NOT at devil worshiper I don't appreciate you implying I have doubts and I had to come here for the truth. I know he was a Godly man. I also feel like I have a right to word my question how ever I want to. I worded it the way I did because I wondered if anyone else had the same thing said to them.

I have loved MJ since I was three or four I am one of Michael's most loyal fans that quickly jump to his defense. In fact I am always telling my Mom who is the one that is indirectly responsible for me loving Michael new facts about him. She grew up when he did and I am always teaching HER new facts about Michael.

I used to jump over my ex-husband who dared to say anything negative about Michael Jackson. He finally learned to keep his mouth shut about Michael if he couldn't say anything positive about him.
 
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Even though now after looking at the background of sources I no longer believe it (thank you qbee). You cannot say "He did not, period". You don't know that. Maybe the burden of proof is on those who claim something however just because somebody doesn't have any proof or solid evidence for anything that doesn't make something have absolutely no possibility - which is where chance comes in. I cannot think of a great example off the top of my head but if Stranger 1 said to Stranger 2 "I didn't do x don't tell anyone" and Stranger 2 betrayed him and went to court and told the court what happened how can he prove it to anyone if he had no evidence i.e no witnesses or a tape recorder present.

In england 'The Sun' make a whole load of BS and the Islamic thing i'm sure was not the only one. However what i'm saying is like it or not chance does apply to everything and something can easily become a "maybe he did, maybe he did not" situation for people. Which is how conspiracy theories take form.

If we go by your thinking, then I can say you are a murderer & thief and no one can say you are not because we have no proof or solid evidence to prove otherwise. So, if your girlfriend is murdered in your home by a stranger, and the cops arrest you and you were found innocent, we cannot say "he/she did not do that with certainty because according to you ^^ "just because somebody doesn't have any proof or solid evidence for anything that doesn't make something have absolutely no possibility ^^. Then if you were found in a room which had money, I came in, saw the money missing, claimed you did it, you are arrested, you are found innocent, again we cannot say there is no possibility of you having done it based on your view^^.

What a world we would live in then, with people claiming things about each other even after they are found innocent!!! Your argument is the same one Lisa uses when she states she was not there. Yet for everything else she is certain about even though she was not there. This is a ploy practiced by those who want to instill the point of view that someone is guilty. What you are doing here is really saying that Michael is guilty, and you can couch it in any theory, the bottom line is that you are saying no one can say Michael is not guilty--sort of the stance of Randall, by the way.

Every thing would be in a state of uncertainty: Stores say they ran out of milk, then people state we do not know for sure because we did not see the proof in their storage facilities, and on and on...

PS: sorry for going off topic, but I wanted to respond to that post.

MJ4ever your ink is a little hard to read. Is it possible to use a brighter color, no offense of course.
 
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There's been so much bs around Michael that I really believe as fans, we have the need to know where those idiotic rumors came from and clear al them out, no matter how stupid those can be. It kinda reminded me when I read that freaking Vanity Fair article about Michael being into voodoo to destroy Steven Spielberg and doing African ritual taking baths into cow's blood to protect himself from his enemies and asking myself where :wtf2 that crap came from!? :doh:
 
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^^Probably started by idle minds trying to create something that destroys--sort of like the people who make up viruses for computers. They use their minds for the wrong thing.
 
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I am COMPLETELY sure he was NOT at devil worshiper I don't appreciate you implying I have doubts and I had to come here for the truth. I know he was a Godly man. I also feel like I have a right to word my question how ever I want to. I worded it the way I did because I wondered if anyone else had the same thing said to them.



Well you worded it wrong then. Your thread title is posed as a question, suggesting you were expecting a discussion about it. I personally found your question tasteless and offensive - if i wanted to see stuff like that i'd go on the topix forum, not a mj fansite. MJ had enough damaging accusations thrown at him that fans have to deal with so i'm at a loss as to why there's a need to bring up completely ignorant conspiracy theories.
 
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No. Michael was not a devil worshipper. To me, no matter how much I love somebody, I won't let them control my mind.
 
I think there might be a simpler explanation for your boyfriend constantly attacking Michael - jealousy. He might feel a bit frustrated because of all the love and attention you direct towards MJ. We don't even need to debate here whether what you wrote in your thread title is true or not. These are just some mean "little things" that some people, who feel insecure, might tell you in order for you to start having doubts. But, as far as I've noticed, you haven't started having doubts about Michael...
 
Your boyfriend is an idiot. No offense, but I think if Michael was a satanist we would have more evidence, especially considering after his death we learned quite a bit of the things he had hidden.
 
Your boyfriend is an idiot. No offense, but I think if Michael was a satanist we would have more evidence, especially considering after his death we learned quite a bit of the things he had hidden.

Also, if you read Bush book you will see that Michael thought up ways to show the lines of his body in movement & what to do with his fingers, which is something we discussed before Bush book was even out. So the things he did with his hands/fingers were really artistic gestures & not representations of any satanic horns or other nonsense.
 
^^ Ha sort of reminds me of the nonsense the Sun said Geller & Michael were going to do with songs, which caused Geller to see a retraction & some cash too.
 
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