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[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: August 29th hearing

If Grace doesn't want to talk to the defense, I wonder why. And if she doesn't want to talk, why are the defense saying that she claimed to have been fired because she complained about MJ's alleged drug use? They would have to get her on the stand to prove it. And they'd look like fools if she had nothing to say, in my opinion.

 

[marebear]

Re: August 29th hearing

The thought of Lisa Marie gets me the most annoyed. She had not been and had nothing to do with Michael's life for like over a decade. 1995 is not 2009. Her comments just hurt Michael.

 

[Severus Snape]

Re: August 29th hearing

To me, WHO CARES if what these witnesses are saying is true. To me, that makes this case even worst. If MJ had this bad of a problem, WHY WOULD A DOCTOR CONTINUE TO GIVE HIM A DRUG THAT IS SUPPOSE TO BE USED IN A HOSPITAL for surgery ONLY? Also, WHy was this kind of drug being used to treat a sleep problem? Also, why is a cardiologist doctor and NOT a professional who handles that kind of drug injecting that kind of drug along without the proper equipment? What Murray's defense is doing does NOT excuse Murray from bein at fault. I do not care what doctors in the past gave Jackson drugs, it was the drugs that THIS DOCTOR gave that killed MJ. And this drug mean someone has to injected, NOT the person. Even I know this. The defense is grabbing at straws and I hope the jury does not buy it.

Very right. Even if Michael was the world's most raging drug addict (we know he isn't, but let's suppose here for a moment), it still does not excuse Murray's blatant neglect and utter disregard for his patient's safety. They're two very different things. Using propofol to treat a sleep issue is completely inappropriate, and it was not Michael's decision, but Murray's, to use it. Murray had a choice, he made that choice, and now he must face the consequences of his actions.

 

[8701girl]

Re: August 29th hearing

waittt hild up a sec please dont tell me that lisa marie is gonna be a witness in the case ...oh dear god..

 

[coolcat75]

Re: August 29th hearing

I love MJ, don't get me wrong. But if the doctor wouldn't get him the stuff he wanted, he could have just hired a new one. Murray happened to be the doctor who gave MJ too much and MJ died.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: August 29th hearing

And maybe those doctors would have done it right. Which is the reason why Murray is in trouble facts you need to look up

 

[marebear]

Re: August 29th hearing

waittt hild up a sec please dont tell me that lisa marie is gonna be a witness in the case ...oh dear god..

I don't think so because I don't see how she is relevant to the case. They divorced in 1996.I hope she is not anywhere near this trial.

 

[Aprilmay]

Re: August 29th hearing

Im reading that court document and what these people are saying and I am shocked. Especially by what Grace told those people. And I am wondering what exactly would she be gaining from lying about what she said? How could she make all of that stuff up? Or how sure are we if what they quoted from her were correct.

Im sad reading that because if true I just wished he would of got help. And all of those doctors that was supplying him all that stuff needs to be in jail.

And as for what LMP said, I thought the doctor that treated him had said he collapsed due to dehydration and confirmed that there was no drugs in his system or was he lying? Im so confused.

But all in all it really doesnt matter what these people say. Murray should be in jail because he had no business administrating Michael those drugs. So everything else is irrelevant. Murray should have told him no.

 

[marebear]

Re: August 29th hearing

Murray is the one suppose to be on trial not Michael. Murray as a doctor knew what he can and cannot do and what is right and wrong. He has to be held accoutable for his actions. Michael died because of him. He has never shown remorse that I can remember or taken any responsibility for his actions. I feel like people want to give him a pass because he is a doctor when I think their should be outrage for his actions. That's how I feel anyways.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: August 29th hearing

And maybe those doctors would have done it right. Which is the reason why Murray is in trouble facts you need to look up

Thanks for that comment!!! I want to add that right now, I do not welcome statements that insinuate that Michael was doctor shopping, because there has been no evidence of that. I do not mean you Justthefacts.

Aprilmay yes the doctor had a press conference in the hospital and stated exactly what was happening with Michael and said he was not on drugs and did not have AIDS. However, LMP still insists he collapsed due to drugs and went on Oprah and continued to talk about drugs. Don't be confused, forget everything she says and pay attention to the facts. The only people who should be confused here, is Murray and his team. They have no case and are tying to convict Michael of his own murder.

 

[Anniesnotokmj]

Re: August 29th hearing

So, they filed an appeal because their client is shit up a creek without a paddle? The judge rules on this again Monday right?

 

[8701girl]

Re: August 29th hearing

I don't think so because I don't see how she is relevant to the case. They divorced in 1996.I hope she is not anywhere near this trial.

I hope she doesnt get involed in the case either but i would like a statement from her bout this latest info. Either she's lying (wouldnt surprise me as she loves attention) or the doctor at that press conference in 96 was lying

 

[Jabberwock Jackson]

Re: August 29th hearing

That doctor has told the same story consistently for years. He's not the one that's lying here. Lisa wouldn't know the truth if it bit her on the ass.

 

[8701girl]

Re: August 29th hearing

Lisa wouldn't know the truth if it bit her on the ass.

:lol: Good one!

 

[Petrarose]

Re: August 29th hearing

That doctor has told the same story consistently for years. He's not the one that's lying here. Lisa wouldn't know the truth if it bit her on the ass.

I was going to say the same thing. The doctor even spoke after Micheal died and was still very professional and consistent in his statements. He had nothing to gain then. The thing is Lisa is not a doctor. She knew Michael had a problem in the past, so every time he is sick she tends to think the same thing--that misuse of drugs is the cause of it. It just shows how two people can be married, and yet know little about each other, and one of them does not even trust the other.

Let's see what happens at the next hearing.

 

[HIStory]

Re: August 29th hearing

I love MJ, don't get me wrong. But if the doctor wouldn't get him the stuff he wanted, he could have just hired a new one. Murray happened to be the doctor who gave MJ too much and MJ died.

I often hear this from haters under CNN articles and elsewhere. So? Let's feel sorry for poor Murray for this raging drug addict putting him in this situation? It doesn't matter one bit if MJ had gone to other doctor or not. It was Murray who gave him Propofol and left him unmonitored, noone else. Period. Wouldas, shouldas don't matter! Stop making excuses for him!

 

[Ashtanga]

Re: August 29th hearing

Lisa wouldn't know the truth if it bit her on the ass.

:lol:

 

[Petrarose]

Re: August 29th hearing

I often hear this from haters under CNN articles and elsewhere. So? Let's feel sorry for poor Murray for this raging drug addict putting him in this situation? It doesn't matter one bit if MJ had gone to other doctor or not. It was Murray who gave him Propofol and left him unmonitored, noone else. Period. Wouldas, shouldas don't matter! Stop making excuses for him!

Thank You. Those are the statements that I refer to as insinuating that Michael was doctor shopping. They have been running wild in the media even though there has been no evidence of that. It is sad to see fans using them even with all the resources we have in the forum.

There is no need to listen to what lisa has to say about his death because she was no where near him in recent years leading up to 09. Unless, she was in the room?

 

[Jabberwock Jackson]

Re: August 29th hearing

I often hear this from haters under CNN articles and elsewhere. So? Let's feel sorry for poor Murray for this raging drug addict putting him in this situation? It doesn't matter one bit if MJ had gone to other doctor or not. It was Murray who gave him Propofol and left him unmonitored, noone else. Period. Wouldas, shouldas don't matter! Stop making excuses for him!

THIS! :clapping:

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: August 29th hearing

Here is the thing about Grace. She says in her conversation she was fired because she was questioning Michael's drug by AEG. But in that Barack interview she says she was fired because she would not take a pay cut. And the doctor she threw under the bus is a thyroid doctor. If Michael was having issues with his thyroid it is little wonder he was acting out of it. I think what happened in her case and what happened in Lisa's case they all wanted to be seen has the person who tried to help Michael after he died. He they ran to the cops with there stories and to tell about these "evil" doctors. It is little wonder now why these folks are not cooperating with Murray's lawyers.

 

[Aprilmay]

Re: August 29th hearing

Here is the thing about Grace. She says in her conversation she was fired because she was questioning Michael's drug by AEG. But in that Barack interview she says she was fired because she would not take a pay cut. And the doctor she threw under the bus is a thyroid doctor. If Michael was having issues with his thyroid it is little wonder he was acting out of it. I think what happened in her case and what happened in Lisa's case they all wanted to be seen has the person who tried to help Michael after he died. He they ran to the cops with there stories and to tell about these "evil" doctors. It is little wonder now why these folks are not cooperating with Murray's lawyers.

That it true, but that interview was done while Michael was alive and she could have made up that as an excuse to avoid the real reason (If what she was saying to the police was true) about why she was fired. She was talking to a journalist then--so I highly doubt she would mention his drug problem to her like that, but now she was talking to the cops who you can not lie to. So again since she spoke the most, it seems-- why make all of that up? What kind of person would risk themselves of possibly receiving some type of punishment for saying all of those lies. I really dont get it. And I somehow hope that all of these thing werent said by her because if so its very sad.

Also about that "pass out" claim in those documents. Awhile back TMZ reported something similar but, it was said that Grace had said he passed out during a family trip and didnt say when it took place. Where did TMZ get this info from?

MJ's former nanny, Grace Rwaramba, spoke with LAPD investigators in the months after Michael died ... and explained how Murray became a "regular" around the house when the singer lived in Vegas ... coming by at least two times a week.

Grace told investigators Michael would constantly brag about Murray in front of the kids -- and that's why after he died, the kids would say, "There's no way daddy could have died of a heart attack because Dr. Murray is the best doctor in the whole world."

Grace also said Michael first met Murray through a member of MJ's security team ... and explained MJ felt he could trust Murray, because the security guy claimed he had some sort of mysterious leverage over the doc.

Grace offered no further explanation about the mysterious leverage.

And here's another bombshell -- Grace says that during a family trip to Florida, the kids called 911 when they discovered MJ "passed out" in their hotel room. It's unclear when the incident took place.

And they did another story like that with Karen Faye, saying stuff she supposedly said to the police

Karen Faye -- Michael's hairstylist for a quarter century -- was interviewed by LAPD detectives days after MJ died ... and TMZ has learned what she said to police.

Faye told cops, "He was scared to death because AEG was funding everything. He said he would have to work at McDonalds if he didn't do these shows."

Faye also told investigators she believed Michael was "self-sabotaging" with drugs because he couldn't do all 50 shows. Faye said she believed Michael needed psychological help because he was losing so much weight -- adding, "I thought he was under the influence of something."

Faye says Michael's assistant told her MJ was seeing Dr. Arnold Klein 3 to 4 times a week and was exhibiting signs of drug use. Days before Michael died, when MJ seemed to be more lucid, she asked Michael's manager if he knew why Michael had taken a turn for the better. His response, according to Faye -- "'Cause Klein is out of town."

But none of this is in those documents

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: August 29th hearing

i think certain posters who hardly come in this section need to seriously educate themselves before the trial starts or dont come in here at all if they want to push a certain agenda.there was no dr shopping. the DEA investigated several drs and there was no evidence to support it. yes murray should have said no or he should have taken adams phonecalls instead if ignoring them (as stated by adams) when he wanted to contact mj to say he would help him. adams is a anethatist. but of course murray didnt want anyone taking over his job and money. yes its mjs fault murray told him he could help him sleep. told him he knew what he was doing.yes its mikes fault murray sat on the phone talking to his bi***** ontop of numerous other ppl instead of looking after his paitent. yes its mj fault murray was to busy to call 911 for at least 20 mins as he was to busy creating a story and hiding evidence of what he had done. so dont some of you dare try to come here and blame mj for this. he hired a dr to protect him.that dr killed him. or perhaps you would have wanted mj not to hire anyone and take pills etc himself.

re prelsely i guess some of u think mj is paedo aswell seeing as she made some implying comments that she had to back track from when sneddon came running. fact she and mj had not seen each other for ages when he fell ill in 95 they were unnofically seperated by that time. the dr spoke out at the time and more importantly after june 09 that there were no drugs and the illness was due to what was reported. lisa was not even there and had the cheek to blame metzger and ratner for what was going on cause they worked for him on tour. mj was not on tour then was she talking about the dangerus tour in 92/3 or the history one which make no sense as that didnt start till 96. certain ppl like to act like they know things cause it gets them attention just like her comments that had sneddon running to her. she craves attention. but has no facts to back it up other than admitting mj took meds for his illnesses when they were together and thats it.

for someone who was a raving drug addict like grace claims and no doubt she will testify in the AEG lawsuit cause poor AEG get the blame again lol id like to know where all these drugs where that mj was taking. i guess they came out of thin air cause there was nothing found in mjs house to support such claims!! no evidence from the drs. just like sneddon with his invisible victims there seems to be alot of invisible drugs and invisible presecriptions. its a shame grace isnt allowed to testify id love to see her put her hand on the bible seeing as she claims to be so religious. but had no problem selling mj out to barrack in london. a ex employer selling stories about her boss hanvt heard that one before. she does a great impression of judas rather than jesus. she seems to like attacking others like aeg and frank cascio and the thyroid dr who was prob treating a symtom of mjs lupus. no wonder mj sacked her for sticking her nose in his business one to many times. whys she not talking to the defence? whats she and all the others got to hide? a sworn affadavid? prepared to throw mj under a bus cause they want to look like they tried to save him but it turns out there was nothing to save him from when the facts came out so now they dont want to talk

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: August 29th hearing

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[JMie]

Re: August 29th hearing

Why cant you believe it? LMP NEVER meant no good.

well, I guess for me it's the same as with the Jacksons. I know they are no good, but still every time I hope there's a limit to their nonsense, but they always prove me wrong. And every time I tell myself not to be surprised anymore, but in the end I can't help being astonished. The same with Lisa. I know she said a lot of nasty stuff, but I didn't expect her to go with all that ish to the cops especially since Michael's doctor from that hospital spoke about Michael's illness several times and everyone who is not too lazy to google can read why he fainted in 1995. But alas, I was wrong again.

 

[LastTear]

Re: August 29th hearing

Guys there is a lot of rumor and innuendo out there and I'm not entirely sure if we are ever going to know the absolute truth and we will cetainly not know it from the tabloids.

I am pleased that the Judge is keeping the trial on track with the issues that are relevent to the case as usual it's a shame the media don't do the same.

 

[Vici]

Here is the thing about Grace. She says in her conversation she was fired because she was questioning Michael's drug by AEG. But in that Barack interview she says she was fired because she would not take a pay cut. And the doctor she threw under the bus is a thyroid doctor. If Michael was having issues with his thyroid it is little wonder he was acting out of it. I think what happened in her case and what happened in Lisa's case they all wanted to be seen has the person who tried to help Michael after he died. He they ran to the cops with there stories and to tell about these "evil" doctors. It is little wonder now why these folks are not cooperating with Murray's lawyers.

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Grace says “the guy”’ terminated her by offering her a “ridiculous” salary.

“Were you surprised?” Daphne Barak asked her. “Not really,” Grace replied. “It had happened before.”

Ive also heard/read she was terminated because she refused to take a low salary.

When and by whom was Grace fired? Ive always thought it was Tohme and that she got fired in December 2008. I found this online. Look at the date and from who.

 

[8701girl]

Re: August 29th hearing

^ that is strange

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: August 29th hearing

From my understanding she was fired and then brought back and then in april fired, as it shows in the letter. Another lie re the large amount.id hardly call that large

 

[LastTear]

Re: August 29th hearing

I note that there is no signature on the letter.
I doubt if AEG would/could fire NG unless Michael wanted her gone. And was she employed by them or by Michael?????

I can't believe LMP is mentioned in the trial, she hasn't spoken to Michael since 2005 for gods sake!

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: August 29th hearing

That it true, but that interview was done while Michael was alive and she could have made up that as an excuse to avoid the real reason (If what she was saying to the police was true) about why she was fired. She was talking to a journalist then--so I highly doubt she would mention his drug problem to her like that, but now she was talking to the cops who you can not lie to. So again since she spoke the most, it seems-- why make all of that up? What kind of person would risk themselves of possibly receiving some type of punishment for saying all of those lies. I really dont get it. And I somehow hope that all of these thing werent said by her because if so its very sad.

Also about that "pass out" claim in those documents. Awhile back TMZ reported something similar but, it was said that Grace had said he passed out during a family trip and didnt say when it took place. Where did TMZ get this info from?



And they did another story like that with Karen Faye, saying stuff she supposedly said to the police







But none of this is in those documents

Well that makes Grace a liar. Saying that to cover up the truth I don't know where you been but she supposedly said a lot more in that interview then what you saw on video. So why lie about why you were fired? Passing out in a hotel room a five year old and a four year call you and tell you there Father is on the floor and they can't wake him up. Well if this happened in Florida why didn't she call 911? Did she go check on Michael to see how he was? If she was not there why didn't she call one of the bodyguards and tell them to call 911? And guess what 911 calls are public records you would have heard it. And this thing about the doctor she is not saying this guy gave Michael to many pills she is saying this guy was shooting Michael up with drugs and leaving that is against the law. And so you know this doctor and others were cleared of any wrongdoing. See facts always make sense.