Re: The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and other theories
Well I can sum up the gist of the thread - lol Which is pretty much the title. I don't know about the grammy awards and DD came into it but I did for a bit look into the general hoax theory and I always wanted to post in here but I felt I'd get attacked cuz...its obviously frowned upon here for mentioning it
I now personally DO NOT believe in this theory - because too many people would have to lie convincingly in order for him to pull it off - unless the government were involved or some crazy stuff like that lol It reminds me of The Following (if anyone watched the last season) where there were TWO deaths successfully faked, but one of them had been in hiding anyway and the other had been in government protection and no one but like 2 people knew the truth. Everyone else grieved. ANYWAY...off topic.
The theory is that MJ faked his death. And a lot of hoaxers site the very questionable events surrounding his death (which I agree with - but I think a lot of it has to do with a larger conspiracy that had nothing to do with him faking it), including the fact that there was no open casket, the death certificate wasn't signed by a doctor (not sure how true that is?), conflicting reports about how MJ looked before he died and the day he died (insinuating that there's a double or someone died in his place that wasn't him), Murray's overall actions to stall/etc before calling 911, faked photoshoped pictures (or so they believe) of the body, the idea that pretty convincing model dummies of MJ's body were being made for some documentary about the autopsy (again, don't look to me about this stuff I dunno, but I did see footage of those dummies and they are very creepy lol), "slip ups" from family members that insinuate that he may be alive (Jermaine saying that before he went to see MJ at the "airport" instead of the hospital), and various interpretations of songs, notes, and other things that MJ has either said or done over the years to hint at the possibility of him doing such a thing. Oh and also various theories about MJ "appearing" at certain places after his death - there's a whole site dedicated to "Michael Jackson sightings."
Reasons why he'd do such a thing that would even be remotely entertained IMHO (folks saying he wanted to retire out of the limelight or be 'normal' - hell no lol) would be that he felt that he or his family's lives were in danger. I think the most popular reasons for this had to do with his ATV catalog or the Illuminati (again, don't look at me lol). And of course people looked to the many reports and taped conversations of MJ being convinced that someone was trying to kill him, either literally or figuratively. Most hoaxers believe, of course, he was being literal.
Now that all said, I do see the other side of this debate if you believe that hoaxers would think that MJ would put everyone through all this suffering just so he can get out of the limelight - yes, I think that's very insulting to MJ. The fact that he worked so hard on those major concerts just to be like "ummm you know what? Skip it, I'm retiring" lol...commonsense, folks lol But of course, those are also people who believe that there will be a "BAM" moment, or in other words, a point in the future where MJ will come back and blow us all away lol. Which would be incredibly, incredibly stupid of him even if you even entertain this theory, and it definitely wouldn't do him any favors in any capacity.
But if you're a hoaxer that believes he might have done it because he was forced or he felt he was protecting his kids, well, I think that's less insulting. And in this case, if you believe this, then you should also believe that he's never, ever coming back. And it probably wouldn't be a good idea for him to attend award shows, or his own funeral (in disguise or otherwise), or set up YouTube and twitter accounts and talk to his daughter on video chat so she can upload it lol. Admittedly though, there are some very good voice actors out there that sound like MJ on youtube, but that's just it - they are voice actors. lol (i think one of them was the guy that MJJC has a beef with - or vice versa? I don't know, haven't been keeping up with that)
Either way it goes, I really wanted to say as I observed the MJ fan community and 'caught up' as it were on a lot of things - that I really think we should not alienate BeLIEvers, irregardless of what we think. And I just see a lot of people everywhere just insulting them left and right, and I think its kind of...not right? And I say its not right because...who am I to judge them on whatever conclusions they conjured up about what happened to MJ? Sure one can say that it's unhealthy to think that someone who is clearly dead is alive, but I think MJ's situation is different because none of us knew him personally. MJ's death, as close as it felt to many of us, was still a removed event that we still don't have all the pieces to, and thats for sure. So I say if they want to believe and put themselves through that, then we should let them and not insult them for it because at the end of the day, we all have intentions to support MJ and be his fans. Even on this board there are many people who believe things about MJ, things that other people believe are out right lies (example, that MJ was a drug addict toward the end, which I personally do NOT believe). Everyone has their personal 'version' of MJ and who he was and what he would or wouldn't do. So I think it wouldn't be right to shun fans who believe in this theory from discussing it. No matter what, no matter when MJ would have died, either in 2009 or 20 years from then...there would have always been people who entertain the thought of MJ being alive somewhere (especially if the facts around the death were as shady as they were!), simply because of who he was. He was larger than life - and no matter what, his death would have been a shock. And no matter what, people would have cried conspiracy (just due to a lot of the things that MJ himself has said). Like Elvis, and like Tupac, if folks believe MJ is hiding out in Graceland - so be it lol.
And as for the 'people already think MJ's fans are crazy, the hoaxers add on to it' - well, I think that shouldnt even MATTER. People are ALWAYS going to think we're crazy, just like they are always going to think MICHAEL was crazy to some degree. Plus there are crazy MJ fans who are rude and pushy and just all kinds of "WTF" who DON'T believe in the hoax lol So its unfair to label all hoaxers that way and that shouldn't be an excuse to completely cast them out either. Plus some 'hoaxers' don't believe in the hoax but just like to entertain the theories people come up with, in the spirit of 'anything is possible' - because this is a high profile celebrity and not the neighbor down the street.
I think after MJ's death (or so called death, whatever you want to believe), the best thing we can all do is come together in support of MJ regardless. There are a lot of vultures still clawing at his good name even now, and we are pretty much his loudest "voice" so to speak and we can't do much if we're insulting groups of each other, you know what I mean?
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