The Mystery of Dr Murray...

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I know that everything has probably already been said with regards to this man, but I just wanted to share my thoughts.
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Although I have been following the trial, it has really shocked me at how little I care about anything to do with it. I just don&#8217;t feel angry, even after I hear all the devastating testimony. I feel terribly sad and hurt, but I don&#8217;t feel a thing towards the doctor. I can&#8217;t understand it really. Before Michael&#8217;s passing, if I were to imagine a drunk driver recklessly killing Michael or anyone I loved, I would be consumed with fury. Yet, I feel nothing, even though Dr Murray&#8217;s actions are not dissimilar.
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To see his face in court most days, I just can&#8217;t muster up the energy to hate him. He looks so pathetic, almost inhuman, just sitting there with that blank look on his face. It seems almost implausible that this insignificant, useless man is the result of the death of Michael Jackson, world&#8217;s most famous man; most beloved entertainer. It makes no sense that he took everything from all the fans who loved him, who grew to care about him. It makes no sense that he took away all the hopes and dreams that Michael had, that he took away any chance of Michael having a future. How can it be that this one man is the reason that the lives of Prince, Paris and Blanket were turned upside down and changed irreversibly? How can it be that they&#8217;ll never see their beloved father, who loved them so much he willingly put his career on hold for them, who showered them with love and care every day of their lives? How can this one pathetic individual be the reason that Michael will never see his babies grow up?
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It seems so very wrong. It&#8217;s become painfully clear that his greed, weakness and utter incompetence are the cause of Michael&#8217;s death. All those mistakes everyone has highlighted, all those things he did that he shouldn&#8217;t have done. All those things he should have done, but didn't.
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It&#8217;s also damn clear he&#8217;s lying. That&#8217;s what hurts the most. Either way he&#8217;s lying. If he really did leave him alone for just 2 minutes, then he&#8217;s clearly the one who gave him the extra dose as there is not enough time for Michael to have woken up, diluted the propofol with lidocaine, pushed it into himself and managed to feel the full effects of it to the extent he stopped breathing. Not possible. If as he claims it&#8217;s true that Michael self-administered, then he&#8217;s lying about leaving him alone for 2 minutes. It would have taken much longer for all of the above to happen. We already know he was on the phone for at least 47 minutes. The fact that he even lied about this suggests a consciousness of guilt. Lying to the paramedics and medical staff at the hospital adds to this theory.
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This is what is so puzzling. If he KNOWS he&#8217;s lying and is guilty, why the hell is he acting like he hasn&#8217;t done anything wrong? He can&#8217;t possibly be deluded if he&#8217;s told all these lies to cover it up. If he REALLY believed he is innocent, as he claims, why the need to lie? No. There is something more to this. I just don&#8217;t understand what it is.
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No matter what the true version is, he&#8217;s keeping the truth from everyone. How can he let this happen? Whichever version of the story is the real truth, he&#8217;s lied throughout this. Why can&#8217;t he do the last decent thing for his &#8220;friend&#8221; and at the very least, give Michael&#8217;s poor mother some closure? Tell everyone the truth and stop all this wondering. What kind of &#8220;friend&#8221; puts his dead friend&#8217;s reputation on the line just to save his own skin? It&#8217;s unforgivable.
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There is not a single doctor that would support what he did and yet, he acts innocent. When he writes those notes in court or tries to assist his lawyers, I just feel as if he doesn&#8217;t GET it. He doesn&#8217;t quite understand what everyone is saying. He doesn&#8217;t seem to register what he&#8217;s taken from everyone- The enormity of his decisions that fatal day. I feel he sees himself as a doctor still. He doesn&#8217;t seem aware that he&#8217;s never going to be allowed to practise medicine again. That&#8217;s delusion surely? Yet how can it be, when he knows he&#8217;s done wrong?
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That taped interview made things worse. He sounded so intelligent and medically sharp. How could he allow this to happen at all? I can&#8217;t imagine how he feels knowing what he knows.
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But if he was to show an ounce of remorse, it might make sense. If he could just stand up and say, &#8220;I&#8217;m so sorry. I&#8217;m so sorry that I was greedy and stupid. I&#8217;m so sorry that my recklessness caused this devastating tragedy. I&#8217;m so sorry to all of Michael&#8217;s family and children. There is nothing that can ever make up for this.&#8221;
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It would mean we at last understand what happened- that this man was flawed and acted without due care for his patient.
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Instead, he&#8217;s allowing everyone to feel extra grief by not knowing what happened to Michael. This makes what he did even more unforgivable. If he cared about Michael, he&#8217;d tell the truth.
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Whatever the verdict, I don&#8217;t feel too hopeful. As much as I want him to be imprisoned, at least for the very fact that he&#8217;ll finally understand the enormity of his actions, what good does it do really? It won&#8217;t change anything will it? But that doesn&#8217;t mean we should just give up on any hope. Michael never found any justice in life. It seems right that he should be given some in death. </SPAN>
 
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Stranger;3520035 said:
I know that everything has probably already been said with regards to this man, but I just wanted to share my thoughts.
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No matter what the true version is, he&#8217;s keeping the truth from everyone. How can he let this happen? Whichever version of the story is the real truth, he&#8217;s lied throughout this. Why can&#8217;t he do the last decent thing for his &#8220;friend&#8221; and at the very least, give Michael&#8217;s poor mother some closure? Tell everyone the truth and stop all this wondering. What kind of &#8220;friend&#8221; puts his dead friend&#8217;s reputation on the line just to save his own skin? It&#8217;s unforgivable.
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There is not a single doctor that would support what he did and yet, he acts innocent. When he writes those notes in court or tries to assist his lawyers, I just feel as if he doesn&#8217;t GET it. He doesn&#8217;t quite understand what everyone is saying. He doesn&#8217;t seem to register what he&#8217;s taken from everyone- The enormity of his decisions that fatal day. I feel he sees himself as a doctor still. He doesn&#8217;t seem aware that he&#8217;s never going to be allowed to practise medicine again. That&#8217;s delusion surely? Yet how can it be, when he knows he&#8217;s done wrong?
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That taped interview made things worse. He sounded so intelligent and medically sharp. How could he allow this to happen at all? I can&#8217;t imagine how he feels knowing what he knows.
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But if he was to show an ounce of remorse, it might make sense. If he could just stand up and say, &#8220;I&#8217;m so sorry. I&#8217;m so sorry that I was greedy and stupid. I&#8217;m so sorry that my recklessness caused this devastating tragedy. I&#8217;m so sorry to all of Michael&#8217;s family and children. There is nothing that can ever make up for this.&#8221;
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It would mean we at last understand what happened- that this man was flawed and acted without due care for his patient.
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Instead, he&#8217;s allowing everyone to feel extra grief by not knowing what happened to Michael. This makes what he did even more unforgivable. If he cared about Michael, he&#8217;d tell the truth.
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Whatever the verdict, I don&#8217;t feel too hopeful. As much as I want him to be imprisoned, at least for the very fact that he&#8217;ll finally understand the enormity of his actions, what good does it do really? It won&#8217;t change anything will it? But that doesn&#8217;t mean we should just give up on any hope. Michael never found any justice in life. It seems right that he should be given some in death. </SPAN>


I agree with everything you say...but I don't believe he will ever accept his guilt...I think he will feel unjustly treated if /when he goes to jail. I don't think he has any conscience at all over what he has done....because if he had, he would have admitted his guilt...more than that, he would have called 911, told the paramedics what he had given Michael, told the ER doctors.
 
His tears the other day have confused me further. What is going on inside this man's head?
 
^^Yeah! And the funny (oh well... actually not) thing is, he always cries when people talk about him, never when death photos of Michael are shown. Here's what someone wrote on TMZ (yeah, I know) the other day.... kinda makes sense (apart from calling Michael an addict):

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Conrad Murray is both an Admiration Junkie (narcissist) who inappropriately makes "friends" of his patients, and a Sex Addict who has girlfriends and babies all over the place even though he's still married. (Virtually all narcissists are also sex addicts, because narcs have no boundaries. They can't. They have to be ready to grab every crumb of Attention that might come their way.) All that takes Big Money, which explains why he would sell out to somebody like Michael Jackson.

When a narcissist/sex addict desperate for money to support his extremely selfish lifestyle meets a drug addict with big money - that's a match made in the ninth circle of hell. One is dead and the other will not be punished nearly enough. Murray's wife and all of his fatherless kids will suffer the most, as will Jackson's kids who are also now fatherless.

This is what narcissism looks like - somebody who will cross any boundary, from marriage boundaries to patient/doctor boundaries, just to soak up more and more and more and more attention and admiration. The destruction they leave in their wake is unbelievable.

Murray was crying in court again today - crying when his patients were admiring HIM for being such a wonderful friend and doctor. He just sits there stone-faced and dry-eyed whenever his own children or Jackson's children are mentioned. I rest my case. That's a 100% narcissist.
 
^^Yeah! And the funny (oh well... actually not) thing is, he always cries when people talk about him, never when death photos of Michael are shown. Here's what someone wrote on TMZ (yeah, I know) the other day.... kinda makes sense (apart from calling Michael an addict):

okerry: about an hour ago

Conrad Murray is both an Admiration Junkie (narcissist) who inappropriately makes "friends" of his patients, and a Sex Addict who has girlfriends and babies all over the place even though he's still married. (Virtually all narcissists are also sex addicts, because narcs have no boundaries. They can't. They have to be ready to grab every crumb of Attention that might come their way.) All that takes Big Money, which explains why he would sell out to somebody like Michael Jackson.

When a narcissist/sex addict desperate for money to support his extremely selfish lifestyle meets a drug addict with big money - that's a match made in the ninth circle of hell. One is dead and the other will not be punished nearly enough. Murray's wife and all of his fatherless kids will suffer the most, as will Jackson's kids who are also now fatherless.

This is what narcissism looks like - somebody who will cross any boundary, from marriage boundaries to patient/doctor boundaries, just to soak up more and more and more and more attention and admiration. The destruction they leave in their wake is unbelievable.

Murray was crying in court again today - crying when his patients were admiring HIM for being such a wonderful friend and doctor. He just sits there stone-faced and dry-eyed whenever his own children or Jackson's children are mentioned. I rest my case. That's a 100% narcissist.

One of the best books on the topic ever:

http://samvak.tripod.com/

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Given Murray's history of domestic violence (arrested on charges of domestic violence, tried and then acquitted)- and especially LISTENING to Murray's police interview makes clear what sort of con artist Murray is. They can fake just about anything- including making themselves sound as the best of their field etc- while blowing total hot air.

I own the book, excellent description. Fits Murray like a glove unfortunately. Keep in mind, while most of this deal with spousal abuse, the conning and general demeanor can still be applied to his relationship with his patient.

A sociopath doesn't care. Remember that his taped interview with the LAPD happened 2 days after Michael's death?
Most doctors who just lost a patient would have no reason to berate and verbally assault their dead patient that they have just lost. Murray on the other hand loses no time to make up/embellish/pull out of thin air stories to humiliate, berate and ridicule Michael immediately 2 days after his death. BIG RED FLAG.

I bet that LAPD ran Murray's name through a certain database (domestic violence arrests, restraining orders and subsequent actions are highly debated in every state in the US) and only perked up when his name showed up with that domestic violence arrest and that he was actually tried for that. In the year 2011 many cops and judges have received general training on the nature of abuse- so they know that abusers with that kind of past don't have issues only with their spouses and their significant others. I bet LAPD perked up knowing Murray's past.

Abusers usually leave a trail of other runs in with society. They simply act as if laws and rules of society don't apply to them. Licensing, shipment to private address, no record keeping etc- Murray is like a prime example of someone who seems to have gotten away with a ton of shortcuts. I bet that letter of reprimand from that hospital wasn't the only time in Murray's life where he JUST barely got away with doing things not the right way.

A big, big red flag is Murray talking about how he "LOVED" MJ- and then continues to berate and put MJ down with all these stories. Can't make the abusive nature any more clear- nobody that LOVES you humiliates you 2 days after your death in such manner as Murray did in his police interview.
 
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There is "Blood on the Dance Floor".
Conrad Murray is a liar and a murderer.
Conrad Murray either alone or wth others murdered Michael Jackson.
God is not mocked. Hell awaits Conrad Murray.

I'm sending you some "SUPERNATUAL ENERGY from MICHAEL JACKSON".
Build yourself back up. Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJjJnmXdx60

 
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If he KNOWS he&#8217;s lying and is guilty, why the hell is he acting like he hasn&#8217;t done anything wrong?

"Bubba." That's all there's practically to say about it. Sometimes, the fear of consequence eclipses whatever guilt exists, especially among terribly self-centered persons like Murray. I honestly do not think he is capable of feeling guilt or remorse for anything. He abandons his own children. I don't care much at all regarding all the crap with his wife and the chicks he plays her with--they're all adults, and I honestly don't give a flying f--k what they all do with each other, but those kids he's abandoned deserve better than the life they currently lead. I reckon I've got a degree of bias, being a C.S. child with a deadbeat/absent father myself... but anyway, if he can leave countless children alone in the world while he goes out and has a sip of the big shot life, why should I be surprised that he can continue to sleep at night despite what he has done?

The only ones (aside from Michael and his family, which are the obvious) I feel sorry for in this case are those involved in the legal proceedings. Had he not done what he did, Michael would still be alive, and none of the lawyers, jurors, judge, etc. would have to waste their time and money on this. Yet, he refuses to plead guilty. I would not be surprised if either Chernoff or Flanagan (or the other dude who seems extraneous to me) had tried to get him to plead guilty and hope for a lesser charge at some point in time, since neither of them seems to be doing an even halfway decent job defending their client. Flanagan has actually done the opposite at times--had I not been watching the entire time, I would have sworn he was a prosecution lawyer. Anyway, the point is, all of them have good credentials and none of them are delivering at all... of course Murray must be behind all that. His stubbornness and arrogance are truly beyond measure. I bet he's regretting it now that he's seeing his two attorneys drown helplessly against the tidal wave that is the prosecution's might.

I hope they give him the maximum they can, so Walgren/Brazil can call this a victory, the judge can move on to something else, and Chernoff, Flanagan, the other guy, and the jurors can all go home.

It's a bit bleak on our end... 4 years is a joke, and this is not anyone's idea of closure. So, I daresay we as fans and Michael's dear ones have lost regardless of what ends up happening.
 
can someone please edit the thread tite? this murderer is not a doctor.
 
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