Theories : What do you think happened based on testimony

[rita.gibson]

Ivy and Autumn, I'm with you both all the way on this one. :clapping:

 

[CherubimII]

Fact one: Conrad Murray is a proven liar.
Now, try coming up with theories that don't include anything Murray says as being truthful.

If you do, you might come to the same conclusion as I did:
Michael Jackson was deliberately and intentionally murdered.

 

[classic]

Was there any valid testimony as far as what Michael had on the two previous nights, if anything? All testimony so far indicated that he nailed those rehearsals and was in complete control of everything those nights. So, where would this burst of energy and such come from versus the last rehearsal when he ended up having to go home? Was it a case of Murray being absent from the scene or as Murray said giving him something different? I'm not sure if it was confirmed or not if Murray was with Michael after the meeting with Phillips and Ortega until Tuesday night's rehearsals.

What I did notice is that Murray wasn't, according to security, always there overnight. So, how is it that Murray states that propofol admin. had been going on for a couple of months nightly. The security guards made it sound as if the frequency of his staying increased in June.

Thanks, Ivy and Autumn II for your responses. I will say that while Murray may have felt shaky about his odds of actually going to London, I doubt that it would be a case of Michael firing Murray that night; surely Michael would not allow someone he had just fired to actually hook him up to any kind of IV, etc.

 

[Autumn II]

Was there any valid testimony as far as what Michael had on the two previous nights, if anything?

We have only Murray's account to police, as far as I know. Sadly, I can't believe ANYTHING Murray says, he's lied SO much:

- I couldn't call 911 because there were no working phones
- I didn't know the address.
- I need to go back to the house to get some 'cream.'
- I need to leave the hospital because I am hungry. And so on.

All testimony so far indicated that he nailed those rehearsals and was in complete control of everything those nights.

Yes, that seems to be the case. Was Murray NOT with him on those days?

So, where would this burst of energy and such come from versus the last rehearsal when he ended up having to go home? Was it a case of Murray being absent from the scene or as Murray said giving him something different? I'm not sure if it was confirmed or not if Murray was with Michael after the meeting with Phillips and Ortega until Tuesday night's rehearsals.

That seems likely, that Murray was not with him. Michael may have been disgusted with Murray by then? That's only speculation, though. It has not been confirmed that Murray was "giving him something different," or giving him anything at all on those days, or if he was not with Michael after the meeting with Phillips and Ortega.

What I did notice is that Murray wasn't, according to security, always there overnight. So, how is it that Murray states that propofol admin. had been going on for a couple of months nightly. The security guards made it sound as if the frequency of his staying increased in June.

He lied? To cast Michael in a bad light? The defense strategy will no doubt be to attack Michael's character, as a "demanding" personality, and so forth. And as for the reported "frequency in June," maybe he wanted to be sure and seem useful?

Thanks, Ivy and Autumn II for your responses. I will say that while Murray may have felt shaky about his odds of actually going to London, I doubt that it would be a case of Michael firing Murray that night; surely Michael would not allow someone he had just fired to actually hook him up to any kind of IV, etc.

To respond to that, we'd have to get into Michael's personality and sense of trust where maybe trust was not warranted? But that's not testimony-based, and I'm not going there.

Did AEG finally find Murray's usefulness to be less than good, in terms of Michael's care? Maybe. Did they fire him, and Michael was not yet aware of it? Maybe. There has been no testimony related to that, and there probably won't be. Something surely was very different on that last night. Michael reportedly had been packing to go to London, and by then Murray was at least pretty sure he wouldn't be going with him? For whatever reasons (firing by Michael or AEG or both? Or neither?), that unsigned contract remains -- haunting.

 

[CherubimII]

We have only Murray's account to police, as far as I know. Sadly, I can't believe ANYTHING Murray says, he's lied SO much:

- I couldn't call 911 because there were no working phones
- I didn't know the address.
- I need to go back to the house to get some 'cream.'
- I need to leave the hospital because I am hungry. And so on.

Yes, that seems to be the case. Was Murray NOT with him on those days?

That seems likely, that Murray was not with him. Michael may have been disgusted with Murray by then? That's only speculation, though. It has not been confirmed that Murray was "giving him something different," or giving him anything at all on those days, or if he was not with Michael after the meeting with Phillips and Ortega.

He lied? To cast Michael in a bad light? The defense strategy will no doubt be to attack Michael's character, as a "demanding" personality, and so forth. And as for the reported "frequency in June," maybe he wanted to be sure and seem useful?

To respond to that, we'd have to get into Michael's personality and sense of trust where maybe trust was not warranted? But that's not testimony-based, and I'm not going there.

Did AEG finally find Murray's usefulness to be less than good, in terms of Michael's care? Maybe. Did they fire him, and Michael was not yet aware of it? Maybe. There has been no testimony related to that, and there probably won't be. Something surely was very different on that last night. Michael reportedly had been packing to go to London, and by then Murray was at least pretty sure he wouldn't be going with him? For whatever reasons (firing by Michael or AEG or both? Or neither?) That unsigned contract remains -- haunting.

Autumn your deductions are worthy of Sherlock Holmes. :agree:

 

[StaceyMJ]

Soundmind, that is enough. This isn't the first time you have been rude and confrontational based on peoples opinions in this section. I sure hope this can be the last? It is fine to disagree, but bringing personal attacks into the equation doesn't help anyone. How about keeping in mind the fact that other people read this thread to discuss, not to read personal attacks and arguments. It is very tiring. A bit of patience goes a long way.

If we can all keep on topic of what we think happened based on the testimony, this has the potential to be a very informative and useful thread. Please all keep that in mind from here on. Thankyou.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

got love these newbie "fans" who have joined over the last couple of months. u really need to try harder to stop looking so obvious. do u not realise we have been here b4 in 03-05.we can spot them a mile off .time for some moderation

 

[Tipareth]

I did already state that he was taking medication not 'drugs' (illegal drugs) but guys, it is entirely possible to be addicted to medication as well, I am not saying Michael just sat around shooting up. I am not saying Dr.Murray is entirely innocent either, I believe he SHOULD have monitored Michael and said no to his requests for propofol but at the same time if he had said no do you think he would still have the job as Michael's doctor? What I am saying is if Dr.Murray had repeatedly refused Michael's requests, Michael would have found a new doctor. So whilst Dr.Murray was an idiot and completely negligent Michael was dependant on this stuff and would likely have found someone who would have given it to him. That does not make him a bad guy, it means there were underlying issues that meant he could not live a normal natural life.

I do not think Mike was addicted. Especially because of his bad insomnia. Meaning if you cannot sleep with all those medications, your brain is opposing the medication. On normal insomnia, little pill have effect, and if one takes pills a longer period of time, then the body requires higher doses.

When the insomnia is so bad, for years, is not because of a built addiction, but because it's plain bad. Bad, evil, worse, creepy insomnia. I got the same insomnia even worse than MIke.

--> no effects of pills from the start

--> I was driving doctors crazy asking them to change treatment over and over again.


Finally I've reached desperation point and took 1 bottle of lorazepam and half bottle of diazepam, all together just to get sleep. Yeah crazy I know. ( the pills were not expired they were good, my parents are doctors so I took those from them, steal the pills without them knowing... )

After 2 hours I woke up!! Now that's my brain resistance to pills.:doh:


I ended up in hospital but I was lucid and doctors didn't believe me, they tought I was lying and trying to impress. So they did nothing. After a day or so, becuase of lorazepam I went worse and ended near a coma, still I was lucid. My lucidity was so great and couldn't sleep one second. The doctors saw that I was telling truth, but it was too late to intervene and pour the pills outta stomach, so they hooked me on a IV a week or so.

So please, stop with addiction stories, becuase you do not know all cases of insomnia. You do not know about brain chemistry that some got, and how pills are so weak for the brain. Nothing works... it's lucid nightmare.
You do not know how is to stay awake 30 nights in a row and still try to not lose your damn mind. And people not believing you because you still look beautiful... you feel so alone, so deeply alone... :no:


I've searched other methods to take me out, renouncing for good at pills. Now I am way better but not totally cured. When I work too much insomnia comes back. I also studied and graduated psychology and psychotherapy... and got to tell you guys there's a lot to be studied and discovered about insomnia. We are still in the dark...

 

[xthunderx2]

I do not think Mike was addicted. Especially because of his bad insomnia. Meaning if you cannot sleep with all those medications, your brain is opposing the medication. On normal insomnia, little pill have effect, and if one takes pills a longer period of time, then the body requires higher doses.

When the insomnia is so bad, for years, is not because of a built addiction, but because it's plain bad. Bad, evil, worse, creepy insomnia. I got the same insomnia even worse than MIke.

--> no effects of pills from the start

--> I was driving doctors crazy asking them to change treatment over and over again.


Finally I've reached desperation point and took 1 bottle of lorazepam and half bottle of diazepam, all together just to get sleep. Yeah crazy I know. ( the pills were not expired they were good, my parents are doctors so I took those from them, steal the pills without them knowing... )

After 2 hours I woke up!! Now that's my brain resistance to pills.:doh:


I ended up in hospital but I was lucid and doctors didn't believe me, they tought I was lying and trying to impress. So they did nothing. After a day or so, becuase of lorazepam I went worse and ended near a coma, still I was lucid. My lucidity was so great and couldn't sleep one second. The doctors saw that I was telling truth, but it was too late to intervene and pour the pills outta stomach, so they hooked me on a IV a week or so.

So please, stop with addiction stories, becuase you do not know all cases of insomnia. You do not know about brain chemistry that some got, and how pills are so weak for the brain. Nothing works... it's lucid nightmare.
You do not know how is to stay awake 30 nights in a row and still try to not lose your damn mind. And people not believing you because you still look beautiful... you feel so alone, so deeply alone... :no:


I've searched other methods to take me out, renouncing for good at pills. Now I am way better but not totally cured. When I work too much insomnia comes back. I also studied and graduated psychology and psychotherapy... and got to tell you guys there's a lot to be studied and discovered about insomnia. We are still in the dark...

you poor thing..:hug:....only people with insomnia...could possibly understand what it was poor Michael went through. I hope that you find a solution quickly.

 

[Petrarose]

I do not think Mike was addicted. Especially because of his bad insomnia. Meaning if you cannot sleep with all those medications, your brain is opposing the medication. On normal insomnia, little pill have effect, and if one takes pills a longer period of time, then the body requires higher doses.

When the insomnia is so bad, for years, is not because of a built addiction, but because it's plain bad. Bad, evil, worse, creepy insomnia. I got the same insomnia even worse than MIke.

--> no effects of pills from the start

--> I was driving doctors crazy asking them to change treatment over and over again.


Finally I've reached desperation point and took 1 bottle of lorazepam and half bottle of diazepam, all together just to get sleep. Yeah crazy I know. ( the pills were not expired they were good, my parents are doctors so I took those from them, steal the pills without them knowing... )

After 2 hours I woke up!! Now that's my brain resistance to pills.:doh:


I ended up in hospital but I was lucid and doctors didn't believe me, they tought I was lying and trying to impress. So they did nothing. After a day or so, becuase of lorazepam I went worse and ended near a coma, still I was lucid. My lucidity was so great and couldn't sleep one second. The doctors saw that I was telling truth, but it was too late to intervene and pour the pills outta stomach, so they hooked me on a IV a week or so.

So please, stop with addiction stories, becuase you do not know all cases of insomnia. You do not know about brain chemistry that some got, and how pills are so weak for the brain. Nothing works... it's lucid nightmare.
You do not know how is to stay awake 30 nights in a row and still try to not lose your damn mind. And people not believing you because you still look beautiful... you feel so alone, so deeply alone... :no:


I've searched other methods to take me out, renouncing for good at pills. Now I am way better but not totally cured. When I work too much insomnia comes back. I also studied and graduated psychology and psychotherapy... and got to tell you guys there's a lot to be studied and discovered about insomnia. We are still in the dark...

Thank you so much for this, and I understand you fully. I hope many are listening.

Autumn,you are right that unsigned contract and Michael already packing plus Elizabeth Taylor already packing is the big elephant in the room. Many people are ready to leave and Murray does not even have his working papers. What could be the reasons for this?

 

[Autumn II]

Autumn,you are right that unsigned contract and Michael already packing plus Elizabeth Taylor already packing is the big elephant in the room. Many people are ready to leave and Murray does not even have his working papers. What could be the reasons for this?

Unless Murray testifies and actually tells the truth, we can only speculate from the facts that we DO know. Given the horrible meeting (Kenny's testimony) on the 19th, and given that others were ready to leave, and the contract remained unsigned, and the working papers hadn't been obtained -- I think we can conjecture that something unpleasant for Murray, happened behind the scenes. That "something" was that Murray, at that point (by June 25) realized he was NOT going? And he would not be making the large salary he thought he would make? And he still had huge financial problems?

So maybe AEG finally figured out that he was an incompetent doctor, and planned to hire someone else for London? And they canned him? Or, Michael realized he felt BETTER when Murray was nowhere near him (those last few rehearsals where Michael did so much better?. Did Michael fire him?

Or none of the above? If Murray was fired on or around June 25, how was he likely to react? I hope someday he tells his side of the story, but I doubt that he will.

 

[Petrarose]

Autumn, remember Murray went to the room first. Do you recall if the witness said how Murray appeared that night? We know that Michael was alert and nailed the rehearsal that night. Someone testified that Murray came to the house on his own. Now, if Murray had some bad news, we would expect his manner when he arrived to be sullen.

 

[Autumn II]

Autumn, remember Murray went to the room first. Do you recall if the witness said how Murray appeared that night? We know that Michael was alert and nailed the rehearsal that night. Someone testified that Murray came to the house on his own. Now, if Murray had some bad news, we would expect his manner when he arrived to be sullen.

Nope, don't remember that the witness said anything about his demeanor, although he was sweating and agitated when the EMTs were there, and also he was that way at the hospital.

Can you find that piece of testimony? (bolded part) Thanks . . . . Does "on his own" mean he drove there, or wasn't expected, or what?

 

[mjsdot]

got love these newbie "fans" who have joined over the last couple of months. u really need to try harder to stop looking so obvious. do u not realise we have been here b4 in 03-05.we can spot them a mile off .time for some moderation

How rude.:angry:
So just because I didnt join this board years ago means I am less of a fan, means I didnt do my own research on 03-05, means I didnt support Michael then, before then or since? Sorry I didnt realise that to love Michael meant being a member of a forum
I dont think I have posted anything on this board that your comment can be directed towards me but nontheless I find it insulting. Maybe you think this board is an exclusive club that no one else can join? Well if thats the officoal line make it clear and Ill gladly go elsewhere.

 

[Soundmind]

Someone testified that Murray came to the house on his own. Now, if Murray had some bad news, we would expect his manner when he arrived to be sullen.

Amir Williams testified that whenever MJ attended rehearsals he would call him after rehearsals to come to the house. Murray was asked to come that night.

 

[xthunderx2]

Nope, don't remember that the witness said anything about his demeanor, although he was sweating and agitated when the EMTs were there, and also he was that way at the hospital.

Can you find that piece of testimony? (bolded part) Thanks . . . . Does "on his own" mean he drove there, or wasn't expected, or what?

This is what I am wondering too...did murray just show up??

Amir Williams testified that whenever MJ attended rehearsals he would call him after rehearsals to come to the house. Murray was asked to come that night.

Do you have written testimony about THAT particular night? That would help clear up some of my speculation..

 

[Soundmind]

DW: (What was) his pattern, as you observed?
MAW: It was regular. He would come if we hand rehearsal, he would come. Stay the night.

DW: You became familiar with his vehicle?
MAW: Yes I was.

He was involved in ensuring that Dr. Murray was there are the residence when Michael Jackson got home from rehearsal.

Now do you have a written testimony that says Murray was not asked to come that day? Was it mentioned anywhere during those hearings. I re read all the testimony's today, and I did not read anything remotely close to that.

 

[Autumn II]

Whatever the case, I'm thinking that Murray was in disarray. That "riot-act" meeting could NOT have been good. Not only was Michael on the hot-seat, but also Murray. Kenny testified to several missed rehearsals, not just one.

There is another factor about that night (damn, I hesitate to mention this, but it WAS true). Please, I hope the discussion doesn't veer off, but the Follower Fans delivered a packet of letters to Michael that night. The content (scans) of some of the letters are online. The content was expressing concern for his health/weight, and basically expressing LOVE. And that if he needed to cancel, that would be ok.

Did he read the letters? If so, they must have reassured him that he was loved, by fans? And there was the sentiment that it would be ok if he canceled. Therefore, that is something DIFFERENT that we know of, that happened on that night.

Those letters are not "testimony," and I'll just throw that out there. However, there IS proof of the letters. I've seen them, online.

Nope. Didn't see any testimony about whether Murray was or was not asked to come on June 25.

carry on. . . . .

 

[xthunderx2]

Now do you have a written testimony that says Murray was not asked to come that day? Was it mentioned anywhere during those hearings. I re read all the testimony's today, and I did not read anything remotely close to that.

thank you for that information that you posted..however...I already read THAT piece of testimony...I was inquiring about that particular night...Michael DIDN'T die any other night..it is the night of June 25th that is in question. So as to whether Murray went there on his own..or Michael asked him to go..is still a mystery.

 

[Soundmind]

Ortega testified under oath that he did not read the riot act to any one, the riot act claims came from Karen Faye apparently.
The same Karen Faye that indicated Klien and Lester's claims of paternity were truthful

Karen Faye who has never ceased to support any claims initiated by Randy Jackson to revoke MJ's will , from MJ's mental health to even questioning his biological relation to his kids.

Karen Faye's account of what happened is full of lies and twists of facts to help Randy Jackson blackmail AEG.

She is already on record contradicting herslef, FACEBOOK , twitter ...etc. She is "the Neverland fab 5" of this case.
Has every motive to lie. Did lie repeatedly, and I'm deeply concerned when anyone quote anything that troubled woman said or would say to prove a point.

 

[xthunderx2]

Whatever the case, I'm thinking that Murray was in disarray. That "riot-act" meeting could NOT have been good. Not only was Michael on the hot-seat, but also Murray. Kenny testified to several missed rehearsals, not just one.

There is another factor about that night (damn, I hesitate to mention this, but it WAS true). Please, I hope the discussion doesn't veer off, but the Follower Fans delivered a packet of letters to Michael that night. The content (scans) of some of the letters are online. The content was expressing concern for his health/weight, and basically expressing LOVE. And that if he needed to cancel, that would be ok.

Did he read the letters? If so, they must have reassured him that he was loved, by fans? And there was the sentiment that it would be ok if he canceled. Therefore, that is something DIFFERENT that we know of, that happened on that night.

Those letters are not "testimony," and I'll just throw that out there. However, there IS proof of the letters. I've seen them, online.

Nope. Didn't see any testimony about whether Murray was or was not asked to come on June 25.

carry on. . . . .

I myself had SEEN those letters....who knows maybe they will be introduced into testimony at the trial..

 

[Soundmind]

There is another factor about that night (damn, I hesitate to mention this, but it WAS true). Please, I hope the discussion doesn't veer off, but the Follower Fans delivered a packet of letters to Michael that night. The content (scans) of some of the letters are online. The content was expressing concern for his health/weight, and basically expressing LOVE. And that if he needed to cancel, that would be ok.

Did he read the letters? If so, they must have reassured him that he was loved, by fans? And there was the sentiment that it would be ok if he canceled. Therefore, that is something DIFFERENT that we know of, that happened on that night.

The prosecution presented testimony after testimony of how MJ was full of life, energetic, punctual and prepared to do these concerts. The only one who spoke about "canceling" was the liar Murray.

Yes, fans were asking MJ to cancel if he did not feel well, but from every testimony we heard that was never a consideration.

Apparently from Chernoff's questioning of witnesses, they are going to claim MJ wanted to cancel and AEG had something to do with his death, he was asking the questions those devoted conspiracy lovers keep asking .
Randy , Karen would be the perfect witnesses to help him achieve his cause. But would Randy dare to get on the stand and tell the lies he helped spread?

He did not even dare to take the witness stand during the fight with the excutors.

At least so far, nothing suggest MJ wanted to cancel, except Murray's statement.

 

[Autumn II]

Ortega testified under oath that he did not read the riot act to any one, the riot act claims came from Karen Faye apparently.
The same Karen Faye that indicated Klien and Lester's claims of paternity were truthful

Karen Faye who has never ceased to support any claims initiated by Randy Jackson to revoke MJ's will , from MJ's mental health to even questioning his biological relation to his kids.

Karen Faye's account of what happened is full of lies and twists of facts to help Randy Jackson blackmail AEG.

She is already on record contradicting herslef, FACEBOOK , twitter ...etc. She is "the Neverland fab 5" of this case.
Has every motive to lie. Did lie repeatedly, and I'm deeply concerned when anyone quote anything that troubled woman said or would say to prove a point.

This is not ABOUT Karen Faye (and hey, I don't like her either. . .) Kenny's testimony revealed it was a VERY difficult meeting. Ortega was on the hot-seat (and therefore wouldn't have been reading the "riot act" to anyone).

Nobody is quoting Karen Faye (or probably cares that much? On THIS, we can agree?). The POINT is (recent posts), what HAPPENED on the night of June 25? Was Murray CALLED to the house, or did he just show up? What was his demeanor (nobody has testified to that, and I guess only he and Michael know? And Michael isn't here to tell us.)

 

[xthunderx2]

The prosecution presented testimony after testimony of how MJ was full of life, energetic, punctual and prepared to do these concerts. The only one who spoke about "canceling" was the liar Murray.

Yes, fans were asking MJ to cancel if he did not feel well, but from every testimony we heard that was never a consideration.

Apparently from Chernoff's questioning of witnesses, they are going to claim MJ wanted to cancel and AEG had something to do with his death, he was asking the questions those devoted conspiracy lovers keep asking .
Randy , Karen would be the perfect witnesses to help him achieve his cause. But would Randy dare to get on the stand and tell the lies he helped spread?

He did not even dare to take the witness stand during the fight with the excutors.

At least so far, nothing suggest MJ wanted to cancel, except Murray's statement.

IMO..NOBODY from AEG would EVER admit anyway if Michael had told them he wanted to cancel the shows. Randy Phillilps made it a point to MAKE SURE that Michael GOT to rehersal....Michael didn't need HIM of all people to escort him to rehearsals...I have a feeling that is part of the "riot act". After all Michael did have a driver that would take him anywhere he needed to go....Phillips was trying to muscle Michael..no doubt.

 

[Soundmind]

The POINT is (recent posts), what HAPPENED on the night of June 25? Was Murray CALLED to the house, or did he just show up? What was his demeanor (nobody has testified to that, and I guess only he and Michael know? And Michael isn't here to tell us?)

who called him if any could be proven easily by phone calls. His demeanor, that's true beside MJ no one saw him that day.

By the way I'm not arguing Murray did not feel his place was not secured on that tour, that's something I truly believe was a huge issue to him, and I do believe everything that took place between 19th of june and 25th of June happened because of the concerns Murray had after that meeting. There is no doubt in my mind that was the case

IMO..NOBODY from AEG would EVER admit anyway if Michael had told them he wanted to cancel the shows. Randy Phillilps made it a point to MAKE SURE that Michael GOT to rehersal....Michael didn't need HIM of all people to escort him to rehearsals...I have a feeling that is part of the "riot act". After all Michael did have a driver that would take him anywhere he needed to go....Phillips was trying to muscle Michael..no doubt.

His bodyguards said he was great that night, he was happy amazing. Kai also said the same he was "prepared to go" very happy.

ANd let's be clear, if I'm in AEG place and I have a singer who is taking intravenous lorazepam , I believe they have EVERY RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO COMPLAIN. Let's make that clear.

they said he appeared "lost" and they did sent him home, but his doctor told them to shut up and it was not their place to complain about his health because he was in perfect health.

Again, if they complained and apparently they raised that issue with MJ, Murray was telling them everything was fine and guess what Murray was not hired by them, Murray recieved a call from MJ's body guard per testimony at the hearing.

What else they could do if MJ and Murray were not telling them what was going on ?

 

[Autumn II]

The prosecution presented testimony after testimony of how MJ was full of life, energetic, punctual and prepared to do these concerts. The only one who spoke about "canceling" was the liar Murray.

Yes, fans were asking MJ to cancel if he did not feel well, but from every testimony we heard that was never a consideration.

Apparently from Chernoff's questioning of witnesses, they are going to claim MJ wanted to cancel and AEG had something to do with his death, he was asking the questions those devoted conspiracy lovers keep asking . Randy , Karen would be the perfect witnesses to help him achieve his cause. But would Randy dare to get on the stand and tell the lies he helped spread?

He did not even dare to take the witness stand during the fight with the excutors.

At least so far, nothing suggest MJ wanted to cancel, except Murray's statement.

There hasn't been any hint, even, that AEG had something to do with Michael's death in any testimony! I find it interesting (and actually, good "lawyering") that Chernoff has said so LITTLE. We have pretty much the prosecution's case laid out, but almost nothing from the defense. At this point, I have no idea what the defense could possibly be, unless they somehow introduce a wild-card?

Soundmind, unusual for me to be agreeing with you, but I share your estimation of Randy. (and Karen Faye and the "Fayettes.") Not part of the testimony, though, and not likely to be. I doubt that Randy even had any contact with Michael for quite awhile.

As far as "canceling not being a consideration," we have no way of knowing what was on Michael's MIND. And he was the one to make that decision.

 

[xthunderx2]

IF Michael had called him to go to the house the night of the 24th....I believe it would of been in Murray' phone records...the same records that they have already used as evidence to establish the timeline..NO call to Murray from Michael was EVER mentioned in testimony.

 

[Petrarose]

Autumn, I have to look but one of the bodyguards or personal assistant gave evidence that Murray arrived first and went to the room before Michael. I cannot remember what day this testimony was given. I will try to look for it to see if he said anything about his demeanor when he arrived at the house.

 

[CherubimII]

How rude.:angry:
So just because I didnt join this board years ago means I am less of a fan, means I didnt do my own research on 03-05, means I didnt support Michael then, before then or since? Sorry I didnt realise that to love Michael meant being a member of a forum
I dont think I have posted anything on this board that your comment can be directed towards me but nontheless I find it insulting. Maybe you think this board is an exclusive club that no one else can join? Well if thats the officoal line make it clear and Ill gladly go elsewhere.

MJsdot, please don't be angry. You are welcome. :hug:

 

[Soundmind]

Autumn, I have to look but one of the bodyguards or personal assistant gave evidence that Murray arrived first and went to the room before Michael. I cannot remember what day this testimony was given. I will try to look for it to see if he said anything about his demeanor when he arrived at the house

He said Murray's car was already there, but he did not see him cus it was already very late and everyone went home.

IF Michael had called him to go to the house the night of the 24th....I believe it would of been in Murray' phone records...the same records that they have already used as evidence to establish the timeline..NO call to Murray from Michael was EVER mentioned in testimony.

no one bothered to raise that issue, cus it was not an issue to begin with. Chernoff did question the detective about the phone calls and why they focused on those calls only and whether they were investigating other calls Murray made before and after the period at question, I believe nothing was of interest to them.

But bottom line the prosecution did ask Amir who was calling Murray and he said it was one of his tasks to make sure Murray came to MJ's house after every rehearsal. The prosecution asked about the routine in the last weeks, and Amir told him , then he asked about that last day and Amir said the same routin that day, nothing out of ordinary.

There hasn't been any hint, even, that AEG had something to do with Michael's death in any testimony! I find it interesting

I posted the transcipts in the testimonies discussion thread. the only witness at those hearings that was connected to AEG was Ortega and Chernoff did raise the 30 shows jumping to 50 , and whether a bad performance by MJ would have affected Ortega's career, the rio act. It was obvious what he was trying to say.