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Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it
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The other thing that the media and everyone seems to have missed is that they have found DRUGS IN HIS HOUSE. That doesnt mean they are his! How many staff does Michael have? Those drugs could belong to ANYONE.
As for the topic. Yes I believe with all my heart that he was murdered. But I think it is very easy to cover it up. All you need is several doctors who work individually to each prescribe things that dont mix well together. It causes an O.D. and then they can each claim that TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE what they were prescribing was ok as they didnt know he was seeing other doctors for other things. THis is my greatest fear. That they will get off on a technicality.
As for the topic. Yes I believe with all my heart that he was murdered. But I think it is very easy to cover it up. All you need is several doctors who work individually to each prescribe things that dont mix well together. It causes an O.D. and then they can each claim that TO THEIR KNOWLEDGE what they were prescribing was ok as they didnt know he was seeing other doctors for other things. THis is my greatest fear. That they will get off on a technicality.
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hey I remember this article a long time ago, it was from 1993 related to his addiction, where they mentioned something about "his people" and how they were treating him, I looked it up again and I found it
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/12299139162377831.jpg/
I don't believe this was murder, actually I don't know what to think but I thought this was an interesting read...this also shows an example of why people around michael were never getting paid you know he was constantly getting sued for that
http://img31.imageshack.us/i/12299139162377831.jpg/
I don't believe this was murder, actually I don't know what to think but I thought this was an interesting read...this also shows an example of why people around michael were never getting paid you know he was constantly getting sued for that
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1. I wondered this to. It would have taken less than 5 seconds to move Michael to the floor, surely
2. This is also a worrying point but what concrete evidence do we have that there was this delay? If there was a delay the only reason for one would be if no one was in earshot to call 911 and the Doc had to keep Michael's heart pumping. I personally believe Michael was dead before the ambulance got to him.
3. He is (supposedly) the only witness to the death of a legend. I bet he was scared although why he was scared if he did everything above board I am not sure. Also, the LAPD are not going to tip the Doc off that he is their major suspect in a suspicious death, I bet he is number one on their list.
4. I have heard that he was there at the hospital and also a version that he was not there at the hospital. I am assuming that the ER doctor would have pronounced Michael dead as he was the last Doctor to work on him??
5. The eyes of the world are on them and they have so many leaks that any cover up would be impossible.
6. Dying of drug abuse sells more papers, creates more website hits and more TV viewers than a death by natural causes :no:
MJSongbird
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Michael was mudered.
I know if I was looking after Michael in a doctor patient way, if I was to find him not breathing. I would be shocked but it does not stop the doctor or nurse in you from working to save a life who ever it may be.
991 call did not sound like there was a doctor in attendance saying any of the medical terms didn't come out with. Some of the Doctors and nurse have said this to me, people who I work with. And that was my first thorght when I heard the tape of the 991 call.
I am sure that in this day and age of mobile phones and cordless phones he could have been on the end of the call telling them all the inform they need to know and still could carry out CPR. not on a bed but on the floor!
I am sad to say Michael had pass away but may be no one would like to be see to give up and say it.
Even if michael's bloods contain high levels of drugs it does not rule out murder and the person who gave him the drugs is the one that did it!
We have lost from this world an amazing man that only a some people really knew And I never got the chance to meet him to.
One day you will rest in peace Michael, let is be soon.
MjSongbird 15/7/2009
I know if I was looking after Michael in a doctor patient way, if I was to find him not breathing. I would be shocked but it does not stop the doctor or nurse in you from working to save a life who ever it may be.
991 call did not sound like there was a doctor in attendance saying any of the medical terms didn't come out with. Some of the Doctors and nurse have said this to me, people who I work with. And that was my first thorght when I heard the tape of the 991 call.
I am sure that in this day and age of mobile phones and cordless phones he could have been on the end of the call telling them all the inform they need to know and still could carry out CPR. not on a bed but on the floor!
I am sad to say Michael had pass away but may be no one would like to be see to give up and say it.
Even if michael's bloods contain high levels of drugs it does not rule out murder and the person who gave him the drugs is the one that did it!
We have lost from this world an amazing man that only a some people really knew And I never got the chance to meet him to.
One day you will rest in peace Michael, let is be soon.
MjSongbird 15/7/2009
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My heart is so broken and it makes me nauseous to think that we actually have to discuss this. I wanted to be trying to see what the concert I would see in September would be like right about now. But I think we need to be investigators ourselves and not let the media brush this under the rug. We need to know the truth and whoever is responsible in anyway for this unforgivable tragedy needs to be held accountable. I made a thread in the other section http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67809 about what we can do to fight for Michael's honor and respect such as writing letter's to ABC to fire Bashir and doing whatever we can to make sure the media reports the truth.
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Great post , the weird stuff around his death, finding him with a pulse therefore he must have had a a heart beat, so why did he die, delay in emergency services, and CPR on a soft surface is what made me start looking into whether he may have been killed.
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I think the only reason people are believing Michael is murdered is because in a mad way its easier than admitting to themselves that he died as a result of drug abuse. I think its obvious that Michael suffered heart failure as a result of this drug use and the stress of these concerts, its something that could happen to anyone. I think looking for someone to blame is pointless and certainly not helping in the grieving and moving on process.
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Firstly, well put together post Msdizzydolores, they are all the things that stood out to me and since his death keep playing in my mind over and over.
Has anyone heard anymore on the insurance policy?? I just wondered.
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Hey, I can see what you mean and would agree if it wasn't for some of the things like CPR given on the bed by a 'trained' cardiologist etc... yes maybe it was from stress and the drugs but alot just doesn't add up at all with all this sadly.
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Yes, I have heard this but I disagree with Dr Valentine's journey into the metaphisical perspectives and the #25/2012 Illuminati thing.He should deal with the facts and not "go off into the cosmos" on this. On June 25th I sent him my information about why I think MJ was murdered.On June 26th on LIBradio's live show (Dr Phil Valentine was guest) about Michael Jackson's death. As a portion of my analysis were read (on air)by the host he said he agreed yet he wanders alot. I think the culprits are the Hollywood perps who long ago decided that MJ was to be "destroyed".
Yes, I agree and believe the LAPD are corrupt.
Thank you for your respnose and I did not know about that clause in the insurance policy. This is a smoking gun.
I too think most of the drugs were planted.
I think this was a big reason why he was murdered. even thogh the family will get some(alotted in portions per hier) The issue is they do not control it. Michael Jackson was the controlling party in SONY/ATV publishing. In 2002 MJ waged a one man fight against SONY music president Tommy Motolla and won
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW1T1DZdWrA
Listen @ 4:00 This was and is a BIG deal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4&feature=related
Listen @ 1:15 he calls out Motolla
No artist has ever done this before. This is why Motolla was "resigned" in 2003.
http://money.cnn.com/2003/01/09/news/international/mottola/
Note the 2 years remaining in his contract statement. This means fired.
Also his 50% percent was worth several billion dollars.(This is purposely avoided by the media)
No this for me is not about "looking for someone to blame" just look at all the inconsistencies and unanswered questions of this "sudden death". Think about it.
Thinking is not merely to process information. To actually think one must first raise the question. This is what i am doing. This is not about emotion and I do not see Michael Jackson as a GOD. I know he was a human being like everyone else. But when things do not add up. I cannot ignore it.
Can you explain all the questions I and many others posted and why this is?
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Crikey Hemlok, theres alot of words there.... whats it about in brief?!! :O)
EXACTLY. Thank you, Hemlock.
I think I'm nearly past the denial stage at this point, it just does NOT make sense that someone perfectly healthy is simply going to go into cardiac arrest one day. His death was INCREDIBLY mysterious and sudden.
Second, if Michael was as you say a "drug abuser" he's aware what quantities to take, what is safe to take with another medication, what is not safe, etc. Michael was an incredibly intelligent man. I don't think he'd just pop in anything without second thought or without checking with a doctor of the safe dosages, or whatever. The fact that there was a doctor there with him all night and that coincidentally he drops dead, just doesn't add up at all. Add to that the fact of the doctor's disappearance, the nurse popping out of nowhere nearly a week after his death... it has nothing to do with looking for someone to blame, it's looking for answers.
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CNN July 5, 2009
LEMON (voice-over): January 16, 2004; it seemed like another classic Michael Jackson performance, surrounded by screaming fans. But this time, Jackson's stage was the roof of an SUV, outside the Santa Barbara County courthouse.
After nearly a decade of being suspected of child molestation, the King of Pop was about to face the music.
BEN BROCKMAN, ATTORNEY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON: I was trying my best to get him down. I knew it wouldn't look right. I knew it wasn't appropriate.
LEMON: Ben Brockman was one of Jackson's attorneys.
BROCKMAN: I recognized that, you know, this is Michael Jackson. He's a 12-year-old superstar with thousands of people shrieking and screaming. He's trying to not affect the legal proceedings in any way. I think he was responding to his fans by, at least showing them his face.
LEMON: CNN's Jeffrey Toobin was in the courtroom.
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was certainly the most bizarre criminal trial I ever saw. Every day, Michael Jackson showed up in one of his Captain Crunch outfits. And he just didn't look like anyone else you'd ever met.
LEMON: Michael Jackson was officially charged with seven counts of child molestation and several other felonies. He pleaded not guilty.
TOOBIN: The criminal charges were not a total surprise, because several years earlier, Jackson had settled a civil claim against him by a boy under very similar circumstances.
LEMON: But Brockman says the superstar was terrified.
BROCKMAN: We were alone in a room. This is the first time I really had an opportunity to be completely alone with him. Of course, in all other meetings there were a whole entourage present. There were dozens of lawyers and bodyguards and assistants. Without warning, he just broke down and began to sob.
And we were sitting very close and he actually collapsed on my shoulder. He was sobbing.
LEMON: It would take a year before a jury was seated and the trial began. The circus surrounding the trial seemed more than Jackson could bear. The superstar seemed to be fading in front of the world's eyes. TOOBIN: He was emaciated. He didn't exchange words with his lawyers very often. As the trial progressed, he got weaker and weaker, including that one bizarre day when he called in sick and the judge said, come in anyway. And Jackson showed up in court in his pajamas.
LEMON: It was March 10, 2005, the second day of testimony by Jackson's teenaged accuser.
BROCKMAN: I feared for Michael Jackson. Not that the trial was going to end badly, but that something would happen to Michael. When I saw that spectacle, I realized that my concerns about his frailty, about his physical issues, and emotional instability, were even more well-founded.
THOMAS MESEREAU, LAWYER FOR MICHAEL JACKSON: It took a terrible toll.
LEMON: Thomas Mesereau was Jackson's lead defense attorney, walking Jackson into the courtroom nearly every day.
MESEREAU: I think this trial and this entire case took a terrible toll on him emotionally and physically.
LEMON (on camera): Were you worried that he might not make it?
MESEREAU: I was on occasion. Sometimes he would call me at 3:00 in the morning crying, terrified about what would happen to his children. On verdict day, he looked like death warmed over. It was just sad. His cheeks were sunken in. He could hardly smile. He looked horrible.
LEMON (voice-over): It was June 13, 2005. After more than two months of testimony, 135 witnesses, and seven days of deliberations, the jury reached a verdict.
Followed by news helicopters and a convoy of cars, Jackson rushed from Neverland Ranch to the courthouse. He was greeted by a crush of reporters and fans. It was the kind of attention and screams he was accustomed to. But his face was expressionless.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people of the state of California, plaintiff versus Michael Joe Jackson, defendant, not guilty of a lewd act upon a minor child.
LEMON: With each not guilty verdict, the crowd outside cheered.
MESEREAU: I just looked at him and hugged him and he just said, thank you, thank you. He was very placid. He was very, very controlled.
He sat there on a daily basis, watching accusations hurled at him, suggesting that he was an insensitive monster. And I know that it tore him to pieces. He survived it with 14 acquittals. But was damage done to his soul, to his spirit, to his gentle, kind way of looking at the world? I suspect so. (END VIDEOTAPE)
LEMON: Coming up, Michael Jackson, from riches to rags.
AC360 June 29, 2009
COOPER: Today we got a taste of some of the legal battles that may be ahead for Michael Jackson's family and his children. Tom Mesereau defended Michael Jackson against charges of child molestation successfully. Jackson was acquitted on all counts. Mr. Mesereau joins me now.
As you have seen what has gone on the last several days since Michael Jackson's death, what goes through your mind?
TOM MESEREAU, FORMER JACKSON DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I was shocked when I heard he had passed. I was in the middle of a trial in downtown Los Angeles. I came out at 5:30 that afternoon, and when I heard it, I was hoping it one of the many, you know, rumors that often circulated around Michael. And unfortunately, it was not. I'm devastated by it. We've lost a very kind, gentle, wonderful person.
COOPER: You successfully defended him, as we were talking about right before the break. You spent 12 hours a day with him for many months on end. What was he like? I mean, the trial must have taken an awful lot out of him?
MESEREAU: You know, he was a very creative, gentle spirit. He was kind; he was considerate. He really thought he could change the world with music, with art, with kindness, with generosity. He was not built to go through a criminal trial like that.
He sat there facing these horrific charges: people claiming that he had masterminded a conspiracy to abduct children, to falsely imprison a family, to commit extortion, to abuse children. It was a horrifying nightmare for him. And I don't know if he ever fully recovered from it.
COOPER: Do -- I mean, we saw -- we were looking now. We're seeing pictures of him on some of the many days he came to court. There was the day he came wearing what seemed like pajama pants.
There were obviously a lot of allegations. Deepak Chopra had said in past years, Michael Jackson said he came to him asking for prescriptions for OxyContin and Demerol. To your knowledge, was Michael Jackson taking many prescription pills? Did he have a drug problem?
MESEREAU: Well, I heard rumors about this all the time. But I never saw him take any prescription drug or any other type of drug. And during the five-month-long trial, which was five days a week, he was always coherent articulate, cooperative with me. So I'm not a witness to any of this. I did hear the stories, though, repeatedly.
COOPER: I talked to some people who were involved with him in various capacities over the years, who said that at times when they talked to him, it was like talking to somebody on a satellite delay. That he appeared drugged. That did not happen to you?
MESEREAU: Never with me. He was always very lucid, very conscious, very articulate, very intelligent. And it was a pleasure to work with him and a great honor to defend him.
COOPER: What do you think -- I mean, as you look back on this, it's a question I've asked a lot of people, and I don't know that there is an answer. But what do you think happened to Michael Jackson? I mean, you look at those pictures of that young boy, so enthusiastic on stage. You know, the incredible talent he had. The incredible talent we saw in the '80s and even into the '90s. What happened?
MESEREAU: You know, when you're a sensitive artistic genius like he was, you see and feel other movements in the universe that others don't notice.
And when you're compassionate and giving as he was, and you really believe you have a gift that can change the world and make people happier and better, that clashes with the fact that you're wealthy and a celebrity and every shark on the planet wants to get to you because they see you as vulnerable.
And he ended up, I think, very skeptical about people's motives. He couldn't trust people. But at the same time he wanted to heal the universe. And I'll not sure he ever fully resolved that conflict. It was very sad.
COOPER: I talked to one person who was briefly involved with him for only, I think, a few months, who said that Michael Jackson would go days without talking to adults or having real conversations with people. That he had people around him who might, you know, ask to do something. But he didn't really have conversations or contact with a lot of people.
Was that your impression? It's a cliche to say he was incredibly lonely. What was his inner circle like? Were people looking out for his best interests?
MESEREAU: That was the problem. Michael was very distrusting of a lot of people and for good reason. And he often chose the worst people to be around him. Shallow, manipulative, not having his interests in mind. But he needed people so he often would pick people assuming they would do something to him. It was a very sad problem he had. He wanted to reach out and give. He wanted to be kind. And, yet, he was always let done down.
And it made him isolated; it made him a little bit lonely. And it shouldn't have happened to this wonderful person. But this was his burden. Success can bring tremendous burdens, and it did with Michael Jackson.
COOPER: and the news today that Katherine Jackson has been awarded temporary custody, I assume you had interactions with her. How do you feel about that?
MESEREAU: She attended every day of the trial. She's a wonderful, spiritual, giving, kind person. She was Michael's rock during that trial. I was, you know not only would see her in court every day but during breaks, very often I would be in a room with just Michael and her.
And it was very clear how much he loved her, how much she loved him. He trusted her completely. And seeing her with those children just brings a smile to me. I mean, I think it's wonderful that she's going to be taking care of these beautiful children.
COOPER: Well, he was lucky to have you as his defense attorney through the trial, and I appreciate you -- you being on the program tonight.
MESEREAU: Well, thank you for inviting me.
COOPER: Tom Mesereau, thanks very much.
I'm really looking for video or a transcript of a brief interview Mesereau gave where he was talking about Michael calling him several times during the trial at 3am crying asking Mesereau to not let "them" pay him off and send Michael to jail. And of course Mesereau said that he's not that type of person and he would fight for Michael, one of the few good people in Michael's life. But it's just heartbreaking because Michael knew their were people who would do anything to see him go down.
And I just want to say that I don't know for sure if Michael was directly murdered, but indirectly, over all these years there is no doubt in my mind.
LEMON (voice-over): January 16, 2004; it seemed like another classic Michael Jackson performance, surrounded by screaming fans. But this time, Jackson's stage was the roof of an SUV, outside the Santa Barbara County courthouse.
After nearly a decade of being suspected of child molestation, the King of Pop was about to face the music.
BEN BROCKMAN, ATTORNEY FOR MICHAEL JACKSON: I was trying my best to get him down. I knew it wouldn't look right. I knew it wasn't appropriate.
LEMON: Ben Brockman was one of Jackson's attorneys.
BROCKMAN: I recognized that, you know, this is Michael Jackson. He's a 12-year-old superstar with thousands of people shrieking and screaming. He's trying to not affect the legal proceedings in any way. I think he was responding to his fans by, at least showing them his face.
LEMON: CNN's Jeffrey Toobin was in the courtroom.
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was certainly the most bizarre criminal trial I ever saw. Every day, Michael Jackson showed up in one of his Captain Crunch outfits. And he just didn't look like anyone else you'd ever met.
LEMON: Michael Jackson was officially charged with seven counts of child molestation and several other felonies. He pleaded not guilty.
TOOBIN: The criminal charges were not a total surprise, because several years earlier, Jackson had settled a civil claim against him by a boy under very similar circumstances.
LEMON: But Brockman says the superstar was terrified.
BROCKMAN: We were alone in a room. This is the first time I really had an opportunity to be completely alone with him. Of course, in all other meetings there were a whole entourage present. There were dozens of lawyers and bodyguards and assistants. Without warning, he just broke down and began to sob.
And we were sitting very close and he actually collapsed on my shoulder. He was sobbing.
LEMON: It would take a year before a jury was seated and the trial began. The circus surrounding the trial seemed more than Jackson could bear. The superstar seemed to be fading in front of the world's eyes. TOOBIN: He was emaciated. He didn't exchange words with his lawyers very often. As the trial progressed, he got weaker and weaker, including that one bizarre day when he called in sick and the judge said, come in anyway. And Jackson showed up in court in his pajamas.
LEMON: It was March 10, 2005, the second day of testimony by Jackson's teenaged accuser.
BROCKMAN: I feared for Michael Jackson. Not that the trial was going to end badly, but that something would happen to Michael. When I saw that spectacle, I realized that my concerns about his frailty, about his physical issues, and emotional instability, were even more well-founded.
THOMAS MESEREAU, LAWYER FOR MICHAEL JACKSON: It took a terrible toll.
LEMON: Thomas Mesereau was Jackson's lead defense attorney, walking Jackson into the courtroom nearly every day.
MESEREAU: I think this trial and this entire case took a terrible toll on him emotionally and physically.
LEMON (on camera): Were you worried that he might not make it?
MESEREAU: I was on occasion. Sometimes he would call me at 3:00 in the morning crying, terrified about what would happen to his children. On verdict day, he looked like death warmed over. It was just sad. His cheeks were sunken in. He could hardly smile. He looked horrible.
LEMON (voice-over): It was June 13, 2005. After more than two months of testimony, 135 witnesses, and seven days of deliberations, the jury reached a verdict.
Followed by news helicopters and a convoy of cars, Jackson rushed from Neverland Ranch to the courthouse. He was greeted by a crush of reporters and fans. It was the kind of attention and screams he was accustomed to. But his face was expressionless.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people of the state of California, plaintiff versus Michael Joe Jackson, defendant, not guilty of a lewd act upon a minor child.
LEMON: With each not guilty verdict, the crowd outside cheered.
MESEREAU: I just looked at him and hugged him and he just said, thank you, thank you. He was very placid. He was very, very controlled.
He sat there on a daily basis, watching accusations hurled at him, suggesting that he was an insensitive monster. And I know that it tore him to pieces. He survived it with 14 acquittals. But was damage done to his soul, to his spirit, to his gentle, kind way of looking at the world? I suspect so. (END VIDEOTAPE)
LEMON: Coming up, Michael Jackson, from riches to rags.
AC360 June 29, 2009
COOPER: Today we got a taste of some of the legal battles that may be ahead for Michael Jackson's family and his children. Tom Mesereau defended Michael Jackson against charges of child molestation successfully. Jackson was acquitted on all counts. Mr. Mesereau joins me now.
As you have seen what has gone on the last several days since Michael Jackson's death, what goes through your mind?
TOM MESEREAU, FORMER JACKSON DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I was shocked when I heard he had passed. I was in the middle of a trial in downtown Los Angeles. I came out at 5:30 that afternoon, and when I heard it, I was hoping it one of the many, you know, rumors that often circulated around Michael. And unfortunately, it was not. I'm devastated by it. We've lost a very kind, gentle, wonderful person.
COOPER: You successfully defended him, as we were talking about right before the break. You spent 12 hours a day with him for many months on end. What was he like? I mean, the trial must have taken an awful lot out of him?
MESEREAU: You know, he was a very creative, gentle spirit. He was kind; he was considerate. He really thought he could change the world with music, with art, with kindness, with generosity. He was not built to go through a criminal trial like that.
He sat there facing these horrific charges: people claiming that he had masterminded a conspiracy to abduct children, to falsely imprison a family, to commit extortion, to abuse children. It was a horrifying nightmare for him. And I don't know if he ever fully recovered from it.
COOPER: Do -- I mean, we saw -- we were looking now. We're seeing pictures of him on some of the many days he came to court. There was the day he came wearing what seemed like pajama pants.
There were obviously a lot of allegations. Deepak Chopra had said in past years, Michael Jackson said he came to him asking for prescriptions for OxyContin and Demerol. To your knowledge, was Michael Jackson taking many prescription pills? Did he have a drug problem?
MESEREAU: Well, I heard rumors about this all the time. But I never saw him take any prescription drug or any other type of drug. And during the five-month-long trial, which was five days a week, he was always coherent articulate, cooperative with me. So I'm not a witness to any of this. I did hear the stories, though, repeatedly.
COOPER: I talked to some people who were involved with him in various capacities over the years, who said that at times when they talked to him, it was like talking to somebody on a satellite delay. That he appeared drugged. That did not happen to you?
MESEREAU: Never with me. He was always very lucid, very conscious, very articulate, very intelligent. And it was a pleasure to work with him and a great honor to defend him.
COOPER: What do you think -- I mean, as you look back on this, it's a question I've asked a lot of people, and I don't know that there is an answer. But what do you think happened to Michael Jackson? I mean, you look at those pictures of that young boy, so enthusiastic on stage. You know, the incredible talent he had. The incredible talent we saw in the '80s and even into the '90s. What happened?
MESEREAU: You know, when you're a sensitive artistic genius like he was, you see and feel other movements in the universe that others don't notice.
And when you're compassionate and giving as he was, and you really believe you have a gift that can change the world and make people happier and better, that clashes with the fact that you're wealthy and a celebrity and every shark on the planet wants to get to you because they see you as vulnerable.
And he ended up, I think, very skeptical about people's motives. He couldn't trust people. But at the same time he wanted to heal the universe. And I'll not sure he ever fully resolved that conflict. It was very sad.
COOPER: I talked to one person who was briefly involved with him for only, I think, a few months, who said that Michael Jackson would go days without talking to adults or having real conversations with people. That he had people around him who might, you know, ask to do something. But he didn't really have conversations or contact with a lot of people.
Was that your impression? It's a cliche to say he was incredibly lonely. What was his inner circle like? Were people looking out for his best interests?
MESEREAU: That was the problem. Michael was very distrusting of a lot of people and for good reason. And he often chose the worst people to be around him. Shallow, manipulative, not having his interests in mind. But he needed people so he often would pick people assuming they would do something to him. It was a very sad problem he had. He wanted to reach out and give. He wanted to be kind. And, yet, he was always let done down.
And it made him isolated; it made him a little bit lonely. And it shouldn't have happened to this wonderful person. But this was his burden. Success can bring tremendous burdens, and it did with Michael Jackson.
COOPER: and the news today that Katherine Jackson has been awarded temporary custody, I assume you had interactions with her. How do you feel about that?
MESEREAU: She attended every day of the trial. She's a wonderful, spiritual, giving, kind person. She was Michael's rock during that trial. I was, you know not only would see her in court every day but during breaks, very often I would be in a room with just Michael and her.
And it was very clear how much he loved her, how much she loved him. He trusted her completely. And seeing her with those children just brings a smile to me. I mean, I think it's wonderful that she's going to be taking care of these beautiful children.
COOPER: Well, he was lucky to have you as his defense attorney through the trial, and I appreciate you -- you being on the program tonight.
MESEREAU: Well, thank you for inviting me.
COOPER: Tom Mesereau, thanks very much.
I'm really looking for video or a transcript of a brief interview Mesereau gave where he was talking about Michael calling him several times during the trial at 3am crying asking Mesereau to not let "them" pay him off and send Michael to jail. And of course Mesereau said that he's not that type of person and he would fight for Michael, one of the few good people in Michael's life. But it's just heartbreaking because Michael knew their were people who would do anything to see him go down.
And I just want to say that I don't know for sure if Michael was directly murdered, but indirectly, over all these years there is no doubt in my mind.
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Thanks for the vid link to where he talks of Tommy Mottola... interesting to watch.
I also agree, I don't think of Michael as some god and this is not about emotion. For me its about justice and also my mind trying to unravel something that just does NOT add up at all.
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Yes that is what I fear too... I think those kids are going to grow to be very on the ball, I bet if this does end up being the conclusion they will fight it when old enough - I don't wish that on them but I bet they would.
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Bless his heart, what a feeling of paranoia he must have had all the time - not because he was reacting OTT as some may imply about him in the media but because he had genuine reason to believe people wanted to ruin him
I wish he was not dead, but now he is away from such evil people. I do wonder what the world is about when such evil people exist, makes me as a person wonder why be nice?(I can't help but being nice though so not going to stop) but it doesn't seem to matter and its survival of the fittest. Sometimes karma seems to happen, but not as often as it should!Superstition
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Tom Mesereau also had some interesting comments when it came to MJ and drugs.
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Why I believe he was killed
Michael Jackson was murdered for the 50% Sony/ATV catalogue he owns. It's value is far more than a billion dollars. This catalog has Elvis, Beatles, Some Madonna and some Britney, Eminem, Beyonce and on and on. His doctor was most likely a patsy or enabler for the real method used for the hit.
For this he was paid an unspecified amount of money. The injection story is misdirection.His death would not only prevent a comeback estimated to fetch him an estimate of over $500million dollars after a world tour, Independent album, Games and Movie, but also erase his debt which is purposely inflated by the media.
(Note the dollar amout) This $500 million in debt will be used to milk his estate right from the top. I also believe the family will be forced to hand over the children to Ms Rowe (waiting in the wing) This will happen after the Jackson are "discredited" the media is already painting them (along with Michael as a "caution" riddled with "problems" while they steadly remake Rowe into the perfect mother.
Michael staging a comeback means he would no question of his continued control of the 50% Sony/ATV catalogue, open a flood stream of income and a legacy that'll multiply his already unsurpassable asset wealth, restoring his image hence, which would make him one of the richest entertainers ever.
Killing Michael Jackson means, his creditors would force a sale on his assets, particularly his 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalogue, which is going to be sold at 100% less than its actual value, a machination has been put in place that would enable his murderers, make this dubious purchase at an estimated $200-300million, which is a billion or more less than its actual value. John Branca will insure this happens.
With his creditors reclaiming their debt from the dubious sales, means his Estate's worth will be reduced greatly, posing a threat to the future of his dependants. Of coarse millions will be awarded to the family; just not the actual value.(This is why the media keeps talking about debt and never the value of the assets)This will be used to keep the Jackson's quiet and smiling for the cameras.
There is a long list of people embittered over his acquisition of the Beatles catalogue and some rather questionable decisions he made over the course of his career, a list of faceless ogres that have been behind damaging allegations and negativity that daunted him over the last decade till his death. This includes the major media who are 100 percent vested in this Psy-op or perception management.
As this unfolds I also think AEG's role in this will become clearer aswell. After I learned from another poster on this topic about the insurance policy heres the article http://www.local12.com/entertainment/story/Jacksons-insurance-policy-included-drug-overdose/FgGajRTPHUqivWOPXpfoZg.cspx?rss=36
Now when the toxicology results are released or leaked I think they will match exactly what the media and the policy magically know.
Perhaps I am wrong; time will tell.
Michael Jackson was murdered for the 50% Sony/ATV catalogue he owns. It's value is far more than a billion dollars. This catalog has Elvis, Beatles, Some Madonna and some Britney, Eminem, Beyonce and on and on. His doctor was most likely a patsy or enabler for the real method used for the hit.
For this he was paid an unspecified amount of money. The injection story is misdirection.His death would not only prevent a comeback estimated to fetch him an estimate of over $500million dollars after a world tour, Independent album, Games and Movie, but also erase his debt which is purposely inflated by the media.
(Note the dollar amout) This $500 million in debt will be used to milk his estate right from the top. I also believe the family will be forced to hand over the children to Ms Rowe (waiting in the wing) This will happen after the Jackson are "discredited" the media is already painting them (along with Michael as a "caution" riddled with "problems" while they steadly remake Rowe into the perfect mother.
Michael staging a comeback means he would no question of his continued control of the 50% Sony/ATV catalogue, open a flood stream of income and a legacy that'll multiply his already unsurpassable asset wealth, restoring his image hence, which would make him one of the richest entertainers ever.
Killing Michael Jackson means, his creditors would force a sale on his assets, particularly his 50% share of the Sony/ATV catalogue, which is going to be sold at 100% less than its actual value, a machination has been put in place that would enable his murderers, make this dubious purchase at an estimated $200-300million, which is a billion or more less than its actual value. John Branca will insure this happens.
With his creditors reclaiming their debt from the dubious sales, means his Estate's worth will be reduced greatly, posing a threat to the future of his dependants. Of coarse millions will be awarded to the family; just not the actual value.(This is why the media keeps talking about debt and never the value of the assets)This will be used to keep the Jackson's quiet and smiling for the cameras.
There is a long list of people embittered over his acquisition of the Beatles catalogue and some rather questionable decisions he made over the course of his career, a list of faceless ogres that have been behind damaging allegations and negativity that daunted him over the last decade till his death. This includes the major media who are 100 percent vested in this Psy-op or perception management.
As this unfolds I also think AEG's role in this will become clearer aswell. After I learned from another poster on this topic about the insurance policy heres the article http://www.local12.com/entertainment/story/Jacksons-insurance-policy-included-drug-overdose/FgGajRTPHUqivWOPXpfoZg.cspx?rss=36
Now when the toxicology results are released or leaked I think they will match exactly what the media and the policy magically know.
Perhaps I am wrong; time will tell.
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Great post, echoes exactly what I think about it too.
I think it may be multi faceted, MJ may not have been popular in the US but he was a hugely popular global figure throughout the rest of the world talking about love peace helping others and ending wars
Also note the political tone of the planned show, rehearsal clip of they don't care about us complete with audio of Martin Luther King proclaiming "This will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation."
This was the TPTB biggest nightmare unfolding.
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When trying to solve a murder follow the money.
In this case, a lot of money will be going to the Sony Corporation.
In 2008 Sony was losing money, now well its making tons of money
off its prepackaged Michael Jackson recordings. Remember when we use to wonder why Sony kept putting out so many Michael Jackson catalogue CD's? "How convenient. "
Read this 2008 Article about Sony suffering big financial losses:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/sony-slides-to-record-loss.ars
Sony slides to first annual loss in 14 years
Note: ¥=money in Yens
The company's preliminary results for its fiscal third quarter of 2008 show a record loss for the electronics giant, and it has revised its full-year forecast down. More changes and corporate restructuring are planned, but specifics won't be made public until later in the year.
By John Timmer | Last updated January 22, 2009 12:24 PM CT
The last 24 hours have provided what might be called a "three bears" take on the impact on of the global economic problems. Apple, on the hot side, saw its sales growth come to a halt in several product categories, but managed to keep growing its profits. Microsoft was in the middle, with revenue staying steady as its profits slid slightly. That leaves Sony's earnings, announced today in Tokyo, to occupy the cold end of the spectrum, with a 25 percent drop in year-over-year income and a loss of ¥18 billion (about $200 million), although the company squeaked out a small gain after restructuring charges were considered.
The results are considered preliminary, but Sony broke out some of the numbers during its conference call. A lot of the pain came from its financial services division, which came in ¥60 billion lower, and electronics, which took at ¥35 billion hit. The strengthening Yen caused about ¥40 billion worth of troubles for Sony's exports. Games were a bright spot, as the company specifically mentioned game sales as having offset some of the losses in other divisions.
More striking than the third quarter, however, is how much worse Sony expects things to get in its fourth. It last provided guidance for the full fiscal year in October, and it has been forced to make major revisions to those numbers. Back in October, it was expecting to see about ¥9 trillion in sales; that number has now dropped to ¥7.7 trillion, and the drop has taken the annual profit with it. Instead of a net income of ¥150 million, it's now expecting a loss of that value. In fact, just about the only figure to go up in the revised numbers is the restructuring charges Sony is expect to be dealing with.
By segments, electronics account for ¥340 billion of its problems. Forecast LCD TV sales have been revised downwards by 10 million (to 50 million) and Vaio PCs are now expected to be down by a million from the October estimate of 6.8 million. The PS3 remains on track to sell 10 million units during the year, but the growth of the PSP is slowing down, so gaming has not escaped unscathed.
Making matters even worse, its Sony Ericsson group announced poor results last week: its most recent quarter brought in a loss that took the entire year into the red, and represented a 500 million Euro drop from the same quarter year before.
The most serious financial problems for Sony appear to be the strengthening of the Yen and the fall of the Tokyo stock market. The former makes the cost of its products rise in most markets, while the latter has hammered the company's investments and financial services branch. The company is also caught up in the wider slowdown; CEO Howard Stringer noted in the press conference accompanying this announcement that "some of our biggest retailers have been liquidated."
There's nothing much Sony can do about any of this, but it could possibly overcome it if it actually had compelling products and a clear plan for integrating them. Stringer claimed to have a plan that would involve a change of corporate culture—"we will execute more quickly, and move beyond our traditional impulse towards consensus," he claimed. That would allow it to bring products to market more quickly than it has in the past, and the focus of these products would be on providing a better experience in an increasingly networked home.
Unfortunately, Stringer has been talking about bringing change to Sony for a while now, and there's no obvious indication that its corporate culture is significantly different. Meanwhile, the actual details regarding the new product strategy won't be disclosed until sometime in the spring. So far, the markets have been very skeptical that anything truly new is going to happen as a result of these announcements—Sony's stock has fallen by nearly 16 percent as of last check.
In this case, a lot of money will be going to the Sony Corporation.
In 2008 Sony was losing money, now well its making tons of money
off its prepackaged Michael Jackson recordings. Remember when we use to wonder why Sony kept putting out so many Michael Jackson catalogue CD's? "How convenient. "
Read this 2008 Article about Sony suffering big financial losses:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/sony-slides-to-record-loss.ars
Sony slides to first annual loss in 14 years
Note: ¥=money in Yens
The company's preliminary results for its fiscal third quarter of 2008 show a record loss for the electronics giant, and it has revised its full-year forecast down. More changes and corporate restructuring are planned, but specifics won't be made public until later in the year.
By John Timmer | Last updated January 22, 2009 12:24 PM CT
The last 24 hours have provided what might be called a "three bears" take on the impact on of the global economic problems. Apple, on the hot side, saw its sales growth come to a halt in several product categories, but managed to keep growing its profits. Microsoft was in the middle, with revenue staying steady as its profits slid slightly. That leaves Sony's earnings, announced today in Tokyo, to occupy the cold end of the spectrum, with a 25 percent drop in year-over-year income and a loss of ¥18 billion (about $200 million), although the company squeaked out a small gain after restructuring charges were considered.
The results are considered preliminary, but Sony broke out some of the numbers during its conference call. A lot of the pain came from its financial services division, which came in ¥60 billion lower, and electronics, which took at ¥35 billion hit. The strengthening Yen caused about ¥40 billion worth of troubles for Sony's exports. Games were a bright spot, as the company specifically mentioned game sales as having offset some of the losses in other divisions.
More striking than the third quarter, however, is how much worse Sony expects things to get in its fourth. It last provided guidance for the full fiscal year in October, and it has been forced to make major revisions to those numbers. Back in October, it was expecting to see about ¥9 trillion in sales; that number has now dropped to ¥7.7 trillion, and the drop has taken the annual profit with it. Instead of a net income of ¥150 million, it's now expecting a loss of that value. In fact, just about the only figure to go up in the revised numbers is the restructuring charges Sony is expect to be dealing with.
By segments, electronics account for ¥340 billion of its problems. Forecast LCD TV sales have been revised downwards by 10 million (to 50 million) and Vaio PCs are now expected to be down by a million from the October estimate of 6.8 million. The PS3 remains on track to sell 10 million units during the year, but the growth of the PSP is slowing down, so gaming has not escaped unscathed.
Making matters even worse, its Sony Ericsson group announced poor results last week: its most recent quarter brought in a loss that took the entire year into the red, and represented a 500 million Euro drop from the same quarter year before.
The most serious financial problems for Sony appear to be the strengthening of the Yen and the fall of the Tokyo stock market. The former makes the cost of its products rise in most markets, while the latter has hammered the company's investments and financial services branch. The company is also caught up in the wider slowdown; CEO Howard Stringer noted in the press conference accompanying this announcement that "some of our biggest retailers have been liquidated."
There's nothing much Sony can do about any of this, but it could possibly overcome it if it actually had compelling products and a clear plan for integrating them. Stringer claimed to have a plan that would involve a change of corporate culture—"we will execute more quickly, and move beyond our traditional impulse towards consensus," he claimed. That would allow it to bring products to market more quickly than it has in the past, and the focus of these products would be on providing a better experience in an increasingly networked home.
Unfortunately, Stringer has been talking about bringing change to Sony for a while now, and there's no obvious indication that its corporate culture is significantly different. Meanwhile, the actual details regarding the new product strategy won't be disclosed until sometime in the spring. So far, the markets have been very skeptical that anything truly new is going to happen as a result of these announcements—Sony's stock has fallen by nearly 16 percent as of last check.
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Jackson's Insurance Policy Included
Drug Overdose
Last Update: 7/03 5:01 pm
http://www.local12.com/entertainment/story/Jacksons-insurance-policy-included-drug-overdose/FgGajRTPHUqivWOPXpfoZg.cspx?rss=36
Michael Jackson
, November 2006 (Dave Hogan, Getty Images)
The concert promoters behind Michael Jackson's comeback tour will receive a multi-million dollar payout from the show's insurers if reports linking the superstar's passing to drugs are correct - because their policy covers death by overdose.
AEG Live bosses took out a $17.5 million insurance policy from Lloyd's of London in the event a health crisis would cause Jackson to pull out of his 50-date London residency.
Following his sudden death last week, rumors have swirled about the Thriller hitmaker's prolonged dependence on prescription drugs, with some reports suggesting his cardiac arrest was triggered by an accidental overdose.
Further tests to determine the singer's cause of death have been ordered by the Los Angeles coroner's office and the results are expected within weeks.
If drugs are proved to have played a part in Jackson's untimely passing, AEG executives will be able to recoup some of their massive losses - but not if he's ruled to have died of natural causes, according to the company's chief executive Randy Phillips.
Drug Overdose
Last Update: 7/03 5:01 pm
http://www.local12.com/entertainment/story/Jacksons-insurance-policy-included-drug-overdose/FgGajRTPHUqivWOPXpfoZg.cspx?rss=36
Michael Jackson, November 2006 (Dave Hogan, Getty Images) The concert promoters behind Michael Jackson's comeback tour will receive a multi-million dollar payout from the show's insurers if reports linking the superstar's passing to drugs are correct - because their policy covers death by overdose.
AEG Live bosses took out a $17.5 million insurance policy from Lloyd's of London in the event a health crisis would cause Jackson to pull out of his 50-date London residency.
Following his sudden death last week, rumors have swirled about the Thriller hitmaker's prolonged dependence on prescription drugs, with some reports suggesting his cardiac arrest was triggered by an accidental overdose.
Further tests to determine the singer's cause of death have been ordered by the Los Angeles coroner's office and the results are expected within weeks.
If drugs are proved to have played a part in Jackson's untimely passing, AEG executives will be able to recoup some of their massive losses - but not if he's ruled to have died of natural causes, according to the company's chief executive Randy Phillips.
MichaelMySoul
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Fishy doctor is hired by AEG to look after Michael.
Fishy doctor passes Michaels test.
Fishy doctor waits approximately 30 minutes to call 991.
Fishy doctor dosnt know how to administrate CPR properly.
Fishy doctor dissapears after Michael is rushed to the hospital.
AEG signed insurance that covers overdose.
Fishy doctor probably gave him a lethal dose and made sure he was dead before calling 911 so that there was no way to save his life.
AEG and lots of other scumbags will get lots and lots of money.
Thats murder.
Fishy doctor passes Michaels test.
Fishy doctor waits approximately 30 minutes to call 991.
Fishy doctor dosnt know how to administrate CPR properly.
Fishy doctor dissapears after Michael is rushed to the hospital.
AEG signed insurance that covers overdose.
Fishy doctor probably gave him a lethal dose and made sure he was dead before calling 911 so that there was no way to save his life.
AEG and lots of other scumbags will get lots and lots of money.
Thats murder.
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Sorry if this has been posted already.
Jackson charges expected 'within days'
Los Angeles police are expected to lay charges over Michael Jackson's death within days and those responsible will face a criminal trial.
An autopsy on the singer has revealed he died from an overdose of the heavy-duty painkiller Diprivan, the News of the World reports.
The newspaper interviewed long-time Jackson family friend Terry Harvey who said whoever injected the superstar with the drug, or made it available to him, would face second degree murder charges.
"The authorities have told the family the Drug Enforcement Administration are pushing for a criminal charge," Mr Harvey was quoted as saying.
"It is likely to be second-degree murder, due to the actions which led to his death.
"They have been assured that someone, or maybe more than one person, will be brought to trial."
Jackson's autopsy showed that, in addition to the lethal overdose of Diprivan, the singer had a range of pills in his stomach and had needle marks all over his body, including his neck, he said.
As soon as the charges are announced, Jackson's family is planning to sue the promoters of the singer's London comeback tour, Mr Harvey said.
The $60 million lawsuit for "wrongful death" will focus on how the promoters failed in their duty of care towards Jackson and could have saved his life.
"The question is how much did the concert organisers know about his (Jackson's) drug problems and who was feeding him the drugs?" Mr Harvey said.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/839167/jackson-charges-expected-within-days
Jackson charges expected 'within days'
Los Angeles police are expected to lay charges over Michael Jackson's death within days and those responsible will face a criminal trial.
An autopsy on the singer has revealed he died from an overdose of the heavy-duty painkiller Diprivan, the News of the World reports.
The newspaper interviewed long-time Jackson family friend Terry Harvey who said whoever injected the superstar with the drug, or made it available to him, would face second degree murder charges.
"The authorities have told the family the Drug Enforcement Administration are pushing for a criminal charge," Mr Harvey was quoted as saying.
"It is likely to be second-degree murder, due to the actions which led to his death.
"They have been assured that someone, or maybe more than one person, will be brought to trial."
Jackson's autopsy showed that, in addition to the lethal overdose of Diprivan, the singer had a range of pills in his stomach and had needle marks all over his body, including his neck, he said.
As soon as the charges are announced, Jackson's family is planning to sue the promoters of the singer's London comeback tour, Mr Harvey said.
The $60 million lawsuit for "wrongful death" will focus on how the promoters failed in their duty of care towards Jackson and could have saved his life.
"The question is how much did the concert organisers know about his (Jackson's) drug problems and who was feeding him the drugs?" Mr Harvey said.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/entertainment/839167/jackson-charges-expected-within-days
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I think it had something to do with that ian halperin! How would he predict his death???!!!