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What if there is a list of people who knew MJ was in Trouble

Victoria83 said:
Moddie, what you've said is SERIOUS. If you have proof of this, I suggest you turn it over to the FBI (and not the LAPD).
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This is very, very serious! And you are absolutely right.


I do not hold the proof, I only have details of 2 names from the list as a 3rd party. Authorties want proof not hearsay as mine would be, I have already checked this out before I made this thread.

This list has already gone beyond the LAPD and are now in the proper hands.
 
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earth child said:
There are more connection with people in high places. City officials!
I found this on TINI! They have connections all over! This is not lookng good to me!

Perry (L.A. Councilwoman Jan Perry)
Villaraigosa (L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa)

http://www.laweekly.com/2009-07-16/la-v ... ding-spree


Both Perry and Villaraigosa are highly visible boosters of Anschutz and AEG president and CEO Tim Leiweke. Perry and Leiweke have breakfasted together, regularly chat and often publicly praise one another. On June 18, at a celebration of the Laker NBA Championship at the Coliseum, Perry went before a crowd of 80,000 — and thanked her friend Tim Leiweke. Earlier in June, she joined Villaraigosa in announcing that the NBA’s All-Star Game would come to Los Angeles in 2011 — and she again thanked Leiweke and AEG.

Perry’s support for Leiweke and Anschutz has created a persistent City Hall rumor: that Proposition R, approved by Los Angeles voters in 2006, which allowed the council members to remain in office for 12 instead of eight years, was initiated to keep Perry in power — so she can continue supporting AEG’s interests
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Interesting, very, very interesting.

I'm gonna have to go to TINI soon and check them out again when i can pull myself away from here.

Thanks for this earth child.
 
Moddie777 said:
The OnLine Fan Community will be ROCKED to its Core, if details of this list ever makes it to public record!!!!!

I have not seen this list but I know how I felt when I learned of 2 of the people on it!

We have been "dupped" and "used".

Shame on them! They were not a Michael Jackson fan like us, they were here only to get their foot in the door on Team MJ and they did that by betraying all of us who knew and liked them.

They were told confidential information and used that information to help the people around Michael maintain the control over him, despite knowing how concerned some of his family were for his health and life.

In other words, someone was playing 2 sides and they came to the online community to keep up with what was going on so they would always have a leg up on things.

They spoke to us, became our friend and pretended to really care about MJ, but there now is evidence, they betrayed MJ and us, Just so they could have an official and permanent standing on Team MJ.
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What I would like to know is who was giving these 2 particular moles "confidential" information to begin with? And how was this "confidential" information about MJ obtained in the first place? Sounds like if the online community would be rocked to it's core by exposing these names they are well known individuals within the community as well as being a part of Team MJ in some capacity? Did we see them around him? and are they still among us or have they conveniently vanished from the boards?????

I'm finding all of what's been going on from the stories, to the investigation, to the people involved, to be so highly disturbing that I'm getting to the point of becoming devoid of hope for much anymore.....
 
Moddie777 said:
This is very, very serious! And you are absolutely right.


I do not hold the proof, I only have details of 2 names from the list as a 3rd party. Authorties want proof not hearsay as mine would be, I have already checked this out before I made this thread.

This list has already gone beyond the LAPD and are now in the proper hands.
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I sincerely hope that's true. As I've often said, there must be MANY people who knew Michael was in trouble. The LAPD has always been very political, and there are HUGE interests standing behind accusing Murray as the only one involved. Once charges are filed, it will be too late to do much of anything about it. The only way this power could be countered would be for MANY people to go to authorities. . and not just the LAPD. . . and also to reputable media -- if there are any left. I fear time is short, now. If anyone is going to speak up, now would be a really good time to do so.
 
Lily said:
What I would like to know is who was giving these 2 particular moles "confidential" information to begin with? And how was this "confidential" information about MJ obtained in the first place? Sounds like if the online community would be rocked to it's core by exposing these names they are well known individuals within the community as well as being a part of Team MJ in some capacity? Did we see them around him? and are they still among us or have they conveniently vanished from the boards?????

I'm finding all of what's been going on from the stories, to the investigation, to the people involved, to be so highly disturbing that I'm getting to the point of becoming devoid of hope for much anymore.....
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Lily, you are very bright. I wondered if anyone had really seen that particular post and "Got it"!

The 2 people of whom betrayed MJ's trust and the fans trust were in separate but cushioned positions to be very knowledgeable of confidential information. People relied on them and they were thought in the beginning to be trustworthy until they proved themselves otherwise.

What I have learned is this: People in his camp that didn't have his best interest at heart usually felt more powerful when they stuck together and performed their deeds as a unit, that way by teaming up, it became easier for them to block anyone elese who really wanted to add a little positivity or a different perspective from entering.

And yes, the fan community will know of them, but I can not make public, their names, that would cause legal problems to this Board and its owner.

Eventually like everything elese, this list will surely come out, at least thats my prayer.
 
Victoria83 said:
I sincerely hope that's true. As I've often said, there must be MANY people who knew Michael was in trouble. The LAPD has always been very political, and there are HUGE interests standing behind accusing Murray as the only one involved. Once charges are filed, it will be too late to do much of anything about it. The only way this power could be countered would be for MANY people to go to authorities. . and not just the LAPD. . . and also to reputable media -- if there are any left. I fear time is short, now. If anyone is going to speak up, now would be a really good time to do so.
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I do not know for certain if Michael's family will go to the media with this list or not. Those in the family or closely associated with this case who believe Foul Play was committed have been attacked and ridiculed not only by the media but right here on this very forum and others alike.

I have suggested repeatedly to my friends to relay my message to certain individuals of going back to the National Media with EVERYTHING they have.

My theory is they have a reason to be confident in the fact they took this info beyond the LAPD.

And yes, several people knew and was contacted over and over and did nothing but play games and help themselves.

Now they're scrambling to cover.
 
amyzabeth said:
oh okay then, I think I know who you are talking about.

That's interesting that the family went to the LAPD for help before Mike's murder but of course the LAPD didn't do anything. I had no idea that they went for help prior to the 25th.
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There was an article in die Bild - Joe Jackson gave an interview where he said he went to the police a week before he died. I am assuming it was LAPD. Now did LAPD alert Tim Leiweke that Joe was complaining? Leiweke is friends with Rikki Klieman & does a testimonial on her website. She was a CTV anchor & is married to Bratton, former LAPD police chief who quit in August. It is in German - my German is not the best, but that is how I read it.

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http://www.bild.de/BILD/unterhaltun...-von-michael-jackson-im-interview-teil-2.html

In an ABC article Joe talks about how a security guy called him saying MJ had collapsed & that he screamed to call 911. The guy was reported by the NE as "Tippy" who is Alvarez, the same guy who called 911. There is an ABC article that said Joe was called at 11:35, could be a misquote though.
The time if it was 11:35 would be real important. I think it is telling though that the guard trusted Joe to call him.
 
I'm not one to believe in conspiracies because I'm an average fellow, don't have much so people would conspire against me. However, Michael wasn't. He owned what no other musician owned. That Sony Publishing thing is so valuable. Many would like their hands on it. He surely had people scheming against him, but did they go that far I'm not one to tell.
 
Moddie and Lily and everyone else who knows those 2 names,I'm not asking who they are but I beg you and those who have something in their possession to act while there is time.

I'm glad the list made it to wherever it should be but there has to be some serious publicity about it.Or else it could be dug somewhere and we are back to square 1.

These guys are all over the place, don't you think they have their people lurking in all MJ boards?
 
Yes Maria MJ, I do believe "they" whomever it may be are here lurking on the board. I'm not sure who these individuals are or what names they go by. But just as I posted in another thread here, it's all lies, deceit, selling-out, manipulation, lies on top of lies.....there is a self-serving pattern with some of the people that surrounded MJ, and someday they will all have to answer for it, here and now or hereafter, whomever they may be.....-_-
 
I agree some on on this board. I look at their post. They don't know it but they are overly sophisticated at times then sometimes they try to be airheads. They sometimes slip up and say Michael's fans. Not sure if these are they or not but they do behave like it sometimes.
 
ensleyave said:
I agree some on on this board. I look at their post. They don't know it but they are overly sophisticated at times then sometimes they try to be airheads. They sometimes slip up and say Michael's fans. Not sure if these are they or not but they do behave like it sometimes.
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Yes, they say "Michael's fans," so watch for that? As if they are NOT fans and are on the outside looking in and gathering what information they can, about what we KNOW? I think some people have reason to be very, very worried. . .
 
ensleyave said:
I agree some on on this board. I look at their post. They don't know it but they are overly sophisticated at times then sometimes they try to be airheads. They sometimes slip up and say Michael's fans. Not sure if these are they or not but they do behave like it sometimes.
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For me it's sometimes pretty clear, I hope others can see it too and not get manipulated.

And I am also wondering whether these strange "fans" are not provoking to show hom much we know or to what conclusions we came after adding facts.
 
Michael's insomnia wasn't that bad anyone should know about it. You can see it in his movie too. He was happy and all. If you have seen people who are insomniacs, whatever is their treatment it's impossible to behave like that. I have no idea WHY the doctor did what he did because it doesn't make so much sense at all, but Michael didn't need any propofol to sleep at all. So my conclusion is he was very much brainwashed (because of money) or something. Michael was smart and careful, I don't see any reason why he would take propofol after taking "diapams". Michael would have never done anything like that. Never. Only stupid people would do that and Michael was far away from stupid...
 
Topflux said:
Michael's insomnia wasn't that bad anyone should know about it. You can see it in his movie too. He was happy and all. If you have seen people who are insomniacs, whatever is their treatment it's impossible to behave like that. I have no idea WHY the doctor did what he did because it doesn't make so much sense at all, but Michael didn't need any propofol to sleep at all. So my conclusion is he was very much brainwashed (because of money) or something. Michael was smart and careful, I don't see any reason why he would take propofol after taking "diapams". Michael would have never done anything like that. Never. Only stupid people would do that and Michael was far away from stupid...
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That isn't true. I myself am an insomniac and we can behave quit normally and happy.
LOL.
 
Topflux said:
Michael's insomnia wasn't that bad anyone should know about it. You can see it in his movie too. He was happy and all. If you have seen people who are insomniacs, whatever is their treatment it's impossible to behave like that. I have no idea WHY the doctor did what he did because it doesn't make so much sense at all, but Michael didn't need any propofol to sleep at all. So my conclusion is he was very much brainwashed (because of money) or something. Michael was smart and careful, I don't see any reason why he would take propofol after taking "diapams". Michael would have never done anything like that. Never. Only stupid people would do that and Michael was far away from stupid...

earth child said:
That isn't true. I myself am an insomniac and we can behave quit normally and happy.
LOL.
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Me too :D We act quite normal and happy, even after sleepless nights and/or "pams", go figure :cheeky:

This is the last time I respond to your posts Topflux. I'm sorry, but I really feel that you are derailing the topics.
 
earth child said:
That isn't true. I myself am an insomniac and we can behave quit normally and happy.
LOL.
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You didn't really understand. I meant if it's not treated properly. If it's not treated you can't behave "normally" like 100%. And the physical stuff gets worse in the first place.
 
Popescu said:
Me too :D We act quite normal and happy, even after sleepless nights and/or "pams", go figure :cheeky:

This is the last time I respond to your posts Topflux. I'm sorry, but I really feel that you are derailing the topics.
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"Derailing"..? Why? My posts are on the topic and I know stuff. The title said "MJ was in trouble" and he wasn't "in trouble". He was just suffering insomnia..
 
earth child, Popescu, I also suffer from insomnia for years and still function normally during the daytime, but I think this is the question of degree.

Being so desperate as to ask ("beg") for propofol after so many medications put in this thin body - this would indicate a HUGE HUGE problem, that could go as far as being disfunctional during the day.

Whether Michael was "happy" during the rehersals - that´s another problem. Well, yes, he WAS rehersing.
 
Maria MJ said:
Moddie and Lily and everyone else who knows those 2 names,I'm not asking who they are but I beg you and those who have something in their possession to act while there is time.

I'm glad the list made it to wherever it should be but there has to be some serious publicity about it.Or else it could be dug somewhere and we are back to square 1.

These guys are all over the place, don't you think they have their people lurking in all MJ boards?
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Please, please stop worrying about the 'Hearsay" info I have. I do NOT have proof in my hands!

Authorities want only facts by those of whom Possess the proof, that would be other folks, NOT ME.

Again, these individuals have ALREADY taken their proof beyond the LAPD. I think they are confident its now in the proper hands.

All I can do as a fan is pray and wait. I have already given my opinion of them going to the National Media with it.

I have no power at all in what their end decision will be, but I have faith they will do the right thing, whatever that maybe..
 
jrsfan said:
There was an article in die Bild - Joe Jackson gave an interview where he said he went to the police a week before he died. I am assuming it was LAPD. Now did LAPD alert Tim Leiweke that Joe was complaining? Leiweke is friends with Rikki Klieman & does a testimonial on her website. She was a CTV anchor & is married to Bratton, former LAPD police chief who quit in August. It is in German - my German is not the best, but that is how I read it.

link:
http://www.bild.de/BILD/unterhaltun...-von-michael-jackson-im-interview-teil-2.html

In an ABC article Joe talks about how a security guy called him saying MJ had collapsed & that he screamed to call 911. The guy was reported by the NE as "Tippy" who is Alvarez, the same guy who called 911. There is an ABC article that said Joe was called at 11:35, could be a misquote though.
The time if it was 11:35 would be real important. I think it is telling though that the guard trusted Joe to call him.
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Wow. I had no idea the fact of Joe going to the police for help before the Murder as my friends told me, had been made public.

I didn't read the article, just your post.

Thanks for this.
 
Popescu said:
Me too :D We act quite normal and happy, even after sleepless nights and/or "pams", go figure :cheeky:

This is the last time I respond to your posts Topflux. I'm sorry, but I really feel that you are derailing the topics.
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I'm sorry, Topflux, but I agree (derailing). It seems if someone, or several people, don't agree with you, you keep hammering away at it instead of realizing that there are a variety of opinions here. This stalls out the threads, ok? It's ok to disagree. Really. (And guys, we don't have to respond to every post that makes the SAME point? I'm done, too, with that.)

Topflux said:
You didn't really understand. I meant if it's not treated properly. If it's not treated you can't behave "normally" like 100%. And the physical stuff gets worse in the first place.
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That is categorically UNTRUE. I often suffer from "untreated insomnia," and behave NORMALLY despite that. Enough of us have spoken about that to leave that issue alone now. It's digressive. Sorry!

Topflux said:
"Derailing"..? Why? My posts are on the topic and I know stuff. The title said "MJ was in trouble" and he wasn't "in trouble". He was just suffering insomnia..
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You've made your point and some simply disagree with you. You make the same point again and again and. . not "derailing" threads, exactly, but surely stalling them out. NO, I don't feel he was "just suffering insomnia." Agree-to-disagree and move on, please.

daisy said:
earth child, Popescu, I also suffer from insomnia for years and still function normally during the daytime, but I think this is the question of degree.

Being so desperate as to ask ("beg") for propofol after so many medications put in this thin body - this would indicate a HUGE HUGE problem, that could go as far as being disfunctional during the day.

Whether Michael was "happy" during the rehersals - that´s another problem. Well, yes, he WAS rehersing.
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If he had that huge a problem, then the concerts were unwise.

Moving right along?
 
Victoria83 said:
I'm sorry, Topflux, but I agree (derailing). It seems if someone, or several people, don't agree with you, you keep hammering away at it instead of realizing that there are a variety of opinions here. This stalls out the threads, ok? It's ok to disagree. Really. (And guys, we don't have to respond to every post that makes the SAME point? I'm done, too, with that.)



That is categorically UNTRUE. I often suffer from "untreated insomnia," and behave NORMALLY despite that. Enough of us have spoken about that to leave that issue alone now. It's digressive. Sorry!



You've made your point and some simply disagree with you. You make the same point again and again and. . not "derailing" threads, exactly, but surely stalling them out. NO, I don't feel he was "just suffering insomnia." Agree-to-disagree and move on, please.



If he had that huge a problem, then the concerts were unwise.

Moving right along?
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Can you explain how on earth someone can be working perfectly normally if not sleeping at all..?! It even changes your appearance.
 
Hi Topflux,

I understand the point (s) you are trying to make about insomnia, perhaps that subject would better be served if you created a thread about it?

This thread is about a list of people around Michael who knew he was in trouble/danger. They knew family were concerned for his life and health and they made a conscience decision to ignore the pleas and turn the other way and instead raise up in the rankings of Team MJ.
 
Moddie777 said:
Hi Topflux,

I understand the point (s) you are trying to make about insomnia, perhaps that subject would better be served if you created a thread about it?

This thread is about a list of people around Michael who knew he was in trouble/danger. They knew family were concerned for his life and health and they made a conscience decision to ignore the pleas and turn the other way and instead raise up in the rankings of Team MJ.
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Yeah, I suggest making a thread about it? "Insomnia" isn't really the point here, although it could be discussed in a new thread if anyone wants?
 
I wasn't talking about "imsomnia" really.. The title says "WHAT IF there is a list of people" and so on...

There is not any list of any people knowing he was in trouble because he wasn't in trouble. At least no one in his family knew about his problems so there can't be any lists.. I don't know about his employees but most of them don't know either. I knew about his imsomnia (that was hard but relatively normal for an entertainer) but I didn't know any "problems" either... There was NO problems. You can dig whatever you want but you won't find about any problems, never.. I am tired of these kind of threads. Why not just to talk about what really happened to him during that night or what could have prevented that. Blaiming innocent people who "might have known something" doesn't help anything..
 
I'm sorry if I have mixed up the terms "trouble" and "problem". But I think you know what I mean. He was not "in trouble" even though he might have had "problems" only he knew about. Also the problems could have been "problems" only in his mind and that's what I think they were if they existed.
 
It's hard to explain what I mean so probably it's better I just shut up. Probably forever.
 
Topflux said:
I wasn't talking about "imsomnia" really.. The title says "WHAT IF there is a list of people" and so on...

There is not any list of any people knowing he was in trouble because he wasn't in trouble. At least no one in his family knew about his problems so there can't be any lists.. I don't know about his employees but most of them don't know either. I knew about his imsomnia (that was hard but relatively normal for an entertainer) but I didn't know any "problems" either... There was NO problems. You can dig whatever you want but you won't find about any problems, never.. I am tired of these kind of threads. Why not just to talk about what really happened to him during that night or what could have prevented that. Blaiming innocent people who "might have known something" doesn't help anything..
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His family did feel there was a problem - they may not have known exactly what it was. Joe said he did not know about the propofol but that he knew there were drugs. Dileo, although he did not say it was Karen, said an employee came to him with concerns & they had a meeting with the doctor. Dileo said he asked MJ about drugs on LKL- you don't ask unless you have concerns. Klein said the family was calling around for rehab doctors 2 days before his death - if that is true as he is not the best source but Levin did seem to confirm that.

Klein said Dileo called the day MJ went to the hospital - that tells me that Dileo was keeping close tabs on MJ's doctor visits to Klein & I bet he did on Murray too. If the one chef saw all the oxygen tanks, others saw it too. I would want to know if Dileo & Phillips knew about the propofol & I am suspicious that they did know. They both know about the problem in Hollywood of doctors giving out prescription drugs. If they knew, it doesn't make them murderers, but it does make AEG liable most likely.
 
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