The least they could do is recalibrate the color. I don't wanna see the clip in crispy 480i. MJs Beat It jacket is orange, can you at least just recalibrate the color? I don't know the technical jargon, but just, do it already, Branca.No, AI would ruin it. 1080p is perfectly fine if that's all 16mm can give.
I mean, it'd still be a thousand times better than what we've seen since it was released.
Sure, but wouldn’t that also be a factor for any legacy artist releasing projects of that magnitude (e.g., Prince, McCartney)? I’d argue that MJ is significantly more popular than either, and while sales may not be stellar, I can’t imagine it’s unfair for him to receive the all-star treatment if those beneath him also get it.This certainly would not be a profitable move for the Estate.
Such a release would cost the Estate a lot of money (in terms of manufacturing/production costs), while it would aim only at his die-hard fans.
Considering that his die-hard fans are just a fraction of his overall fans, this would also mean fewer sales of that costly release.
Not to mention that the higher price of that release would even discourage many of his die-hard fans from buying it.
The longer I think about it, the more I feel that the estate should’ve done Thriller: Diamond Edition instead of Thriller 40. Make it a definitive, one-stop shop for everything that’s been released from the Thriller era thus far. Something like:
Outfit it like the Paul McCartney Archive Collection projects: a hardcover book with previously unpublished photos, recording session notes, a few essays, lyric sheets, etc., and you’ve got the last Thriller reissue we’ll ever need (at least until 2032, when they reissue it with more materials for Thriller 50). I’d pay a lot for something like this.
- CD1: Original album, remastered from the original analog tapes with world-class equipment.
- CD2: “From the Vault 1981-82.” Outtakes and material recorded in the lead up to Thriller (including music that wasn’t necessarily intended for the album, but came from contemporaneous recording sessions).
- CD3: Demos and alternate takes of songs from the original album (e.g., “Starlight,” the full version of “The Lady in My Life,” the lower key version of “Human Nature”).
- CD4: Single edits, 7” mixes, and various other rarities and extras (including all of the material from previous Thriller reissues, like “Carousel” and “Got the Hots,” and “Someone in the Dark”).
- 4K/Blu-Ray: Thriller documentary, all three of the era’s short films upgraded to 4K, and a newly assembled music video for “The Girl Is Mine” featuring the previously unseen studio footage.
Personally, I think the Estate could try a bit harder to balance projects which will be 'blockbusters' and other projects which are more niche.This certainly would not be a profitable move for the Estate.
Sure, but wouldn’t that also be a factor for any legacy artist releasing projects of that magnitude (e.g., Prince, McCartney)? I’d argue that MJ is significantly more popular than either, and while sales may not be stellar, I can’t imagine it’s unfair for him to receive the all-star treatment if those beneath him also get it.
Amen to all of this.The idea that the Estate shouldn’t spend any money or time to appease hardcore fans is a joke.
Not everything is going to be a public stopping smash sale monster.
There’s lots of material that would serve as a brilliant release for the more hardcore fan but it just gets overlooked completely, because they’d rather put out another rehash of existing material!
According to me, a Super Deluxe release of Thriller is still commercially justifiable. But don't wait another 10 years! In the case of Michael Jackson, the fan base and potential market is considerable enough. We're not talking about a niche thing here, even to Sony Music Entertainment standards, even if the release would be exclusive and pretty expensive and even considering our digital age of music streaming. Make it a US domestic release if an international release/distribution is an issue. Put it out around Christmas. But this isn't the Estate's decision. The record executives at Sony Music will have to raise their thumbs and put aside this pervert long term vision of milking a brand eternally. On the other hand, physical product has indeed become a challenge. But in the case of "Thriller" any reluctance is laughable and incomprehensible. Again, IMHO.This certainly would not be a profitable move for the Estate.
Such a release would cost the Estate a lot of money (in terms of manufacturing/production costs), while it would aim only at his die-hard fans.
Considering that his die-hard fans are just a fraction of his overall fans, this would also mean fewer sales of that costly release.
Not to mention that the higher price of that release would even discourage many of his die-hard fans from buying it.
It is not profitable to them since they refuse to do anything that can't be a potential blockbuster.The other path should be for us the hardcores, throw tracks at us, concert footage, studio footage, rehearsals, video footage that was cut from the actual videos, bloopers, whatever anything. This path they just neglect completely so far.
They have to realize a new album release will never be a potential blockbuster anymore, that ship has sailed.It is not profitable to them since they refuse to do anything that can't be a potential blockbuster.
Yeah, I’m not buying that if it ever comes out. It barely qualifies as a Victory tour, much less a Thriller tour. I’m here for MJ, not the brothers.I'd pass on the Victory DVD. Tour is quite trash.
Give me a 4K disc with Making Michael Jackson’s Thriller and the three restored short films, and put the documentary on streaming, and I’m set.
It isn’t trash at all. It’s pretty good actually.I'd pass on the Victory DVD. Tour is quite trash.
People say Bad sounds dated, but Victory has the cheapest sounds ever. If they ever do release it, they better re-record stuff like they did for Wembley.It isn’t trash at all. It’s pretty good actually.
Time is not our friend!!I think the Estate should follow two paths. One path to keep Michael in the limelight and imo they’re doing this fantastically already with stuff like the broadway show, thriller 40, the upcoming movie, documentaries etc
The other path should be for us the hardcores, throw tracks at us, concert footage, studio footage, rehearsals, video footage that was cut from the actual videos, bloopers, whatever anything. This path they just neglect completely so far.
If they are to follow the path of single releases every few months then they need to update the sound with modern remixers but they should not forget about us either and accompany those singles with original demos, alternate takes, maybe studio footage if available, liner notes, the background of the song etc . Present the entire package as a limited EP (many fans are collectors) and throw the remixed track to the radio stations and streaming services.
If they keep following the path of albums then I think we are almost done. This seems the most illogical thing to do due to a lack of finished or almost finished songs but what they did with Xscape for example has my approval.
The instruments for sure are way too flat & sounds weird. Not sure why the band sounded like that. The triumph band was omfg. Victory tour should've been what triumph was!!I'd pass on the Victory DVD. Tour is quite trash.
What did they re-record for Wembley?People say Bad sounds dated, but Victory has the cheapest sounds ever. If they ever do release it, they better re-record stuff like they did for Wembley.
Drums.What did they re-record for Wembley?
Really? Wow. Do you know of any portions of songs in particular which were re-recorded?Drums.
Yeah. For sure the band was not tight and the soundbanks they used for their synthesizers were terrible, even for 80s standard, but Michael brought his A-game. Michael at his peak imo and I would be over the moon if we got a properly mixed victory tour using the multitracks.People say Bad sounds dated, but Victory has the cheapest sounds ever. If they ever do release it, they better re-record stuff like they did for Wembley.
The complete concert.Really? Wow. Do you know of any portions of songs in particular which were re-recorded?
Yeah the band doesn't sound great, but Michael's live vocals are amazing, probably his best ever.People say Bad sounds dated, but Victory has the cheapest sounds ever. If they ever do release it, they better re-record stuff like they did for Wembley.
So that's not Ricky Lawson playing drums? Wow. It does match perfectly to his playing, though. For example during the band groove. The sound of the drums is also very consistent and extremely similar to the original.The complete concert.
Agree!It isn’t trash at all. It’s pretty good actually.
They probably had Ricky re-record his own parts, kick at least.So that's not Ricky Lawson playing drums? Wow. It does match perfectly to his playing, though. For example during the band groove. The sound of the drums is also very consistent and extremely similar to the original.
It's from Dangerous isn't it?^ It's NOT from Thriller era.
