who are friends, who are not

Its very telling that Frank has hung in there all that time and I tend to believe Frank only wanted the best for him.

The tough thing here is that not everyone is going to be on the wrong side of things. Some of the people that were there really were good guys and really did care. I am sure of it.

Frank DiLeo was terminated (fired) by Michael in 1989. That is a VERY long time ago. Michael never issued a statement as to why DiLeo was abruptly fired, but that was nearly twenty-years-ago. Frank made a reappearance during the trial, but he was not rehired by Michael, even so. I do not, personally, classify that is "hanging in for Michael." He made a reappearance very shortly before Michael died. Michael never made a statement as to why he was rehired, after so much time had elapsed. Michael NEVER made a statement about that.

I think Frank is as worthy of "investigation" as anyone.
 
Ok, my two cents, there are some people I don't know in the list. These are my opinions and are pure speculation, ok? :)


Tohme Tohme - hell no. Not after the tape in which Mike stated he's afraid of him.

Al Malnik - don't know him.

Mark Lester - hard to judge, media whore anyway.

Arnie Klein - same for him, all in all - no.

Lou Ferrigno - fitness trainer - come on, is this guy relevant?

Randy Phillips - NO.

Kenny Ortega - no, not after seeing the movie. Orrrtega was like "I've got my mind on my money and my money on my mind".

Travis Payne - maybe, not relevant anyway, they go back a long time.

Christian Audigier - designer - nope, media whore.

Karen Faye - it's complicated. I think she was in love with him, unreciprocated, and claimed to be a friend, just to be around him.

Kai Chase - no. Just an employee.

Grace - same as Karen. I do believe she really loves the kids, and that she really loved Michael. Mike was not an average Joe, I'm speculating a lot here, but it could of been a reciprocated love up until one point.

Frank Dileo - hard to tell. My gut says yes. I think I read somewhere that Michael appointed him on the Sony board.

Raymone Bain - no.

Deepak Choprah - hesitating here too... um, yes.

David Gest - yes, again from gut instinct.

Miko Brando - definitely YES.

Brett Ratner - ho- hum. Brett is a good director, but I happen to know his girlfriend, she's a girl from Romania, Alina. She always seemed to be using and abusing stuff, cocaine mainly. So, even if he was a 'friend', I don't think he was a good influence.

Chris Tucker - YES.

Elizabeth Taylor - please don't take this the wrong way, but even though Liz always cared for Michael, she has had a number of problems with substance abuse over the years. So yes, she was a good friend, as in a good friend who loves you unconditionally, but maybe not a good friend, as in a friend that helps you grow.
I've always suspected that it was around the time that she and Mike began their friendship, he started to have er, problems. I can easily picture her telling him to "loosen up", like in the "private home movies", when she decorated the home for Christmas, and afterwards Michael ran to the bathroom and cried. Not that it was a bad thing to celebrate Christmas...

Again, this is only my opinion, and I'm only speculating.

I don't know how Michael felt about Al Malnik, please help?
 
There are a lot of links like this.

According to what I heard MJs driver was Bashir's brother, Dr. Thome Thome is Randy Phillip's brother in law..

Is there a thread about stuff like this?

That would be a good thread...all the connections in one place. Six Degrees of Michael Jackson? It would make it much easier to find this info if it's all put in one place.

Tina--I like that idea--we could use a place where we show the connections--and there are many of them!!!!

I really think this would be a good idea. Doo it :yes:
 
Some of them do I not know so I skipped them over

Frank Dileo - Yes but I dont like the way he treat Tatiana

I think there is more to her being fired than kissing Mike in the middle of singing a line...

Deepak Choprah - hesitating here too... um, yes.

Elizabeth Taylor - please don't take this the wrong way, but even though Liz always cared for Michael, she has had a number of problems with substance abuse over the years. So yes, she was a good friend, as in a good friend who loves you unconditionally, but maybe not a good friend, as in a friend that helps you grow.
I've always suspected that it was around the time that she and Mike began their friendship, he started to have er, problems. I can easily picture her telling him to "loosen up", like in the "private home movies", when she decorated the home for Christmas, and afterwards Michael ran to the bathroom and cried. Not that it was a bad thing to celebrate Christmas...

I think (I'll have to re-watch the Primetime interview Mike did with LMP & Diane Sawyer and research to be sure) that Liz noticed that he was having problems in '93 and helped him to get treatment. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in that interview.

As for Deepak "I'm all over the TV calling Mike a drug addict" Choprah, I politely disagree.

According to this http://tinyurl.com/ycgpgnl

I say Nope and Nope

Thank you for this article! The info in this article is something else...
 
why are people hating grace and kenny so much?
 
This may be a naive question but here it is.

Why did Sneddon HATE Michael so much?

I swear he reminds me of Javert ruthlessly going after Jean Valjean in Les Miserables of V.Hugo.
 
Because of his immense hunger of power and because he was racist!However he was only a tool in hands of anothers,in my opinion...

If you read DS lyrics you'll see that Michael had his suspicion about Sneddon being in co-hoot with much more powerful agency. Michael says CIA but I suspect he was bankrolled by the Power behind this whole conspiracy to destroy him which "they" are part of many different groups. The ones that have eliminated Peace Messengers for many decades.
 
This may be a naive question but here it is.

Why did Sneddon HATE Michael so much?

I swear he reminds me of Javert ruthlessly going after Jean Valjean in Les Miserables of V.Hugo.

alot of it was racism if u go by the statements he made at the fundraiser in 94 about mj
 
I disagree on the no's about Kenny. Michael called Kenny up for This Is It. He didn't need a tour at this time in his career. He's a major motion picture director. He came on board because his friend asked him. Michael saw him as a friend and I believe he genuinely cared about him.
 
I had to post these pics. They have nothing to do with the investigation, but I do believe Thome was not a friend. And the photos kind of freak me out. It's like half of him is hidden or in darkness.

The first one almost gives me the chills.

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Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+Hotel+sd3T11hrdICl.jpg
 
Karen Faye - it's complicated. I think she was in love with him, unreciprocated, and claimed to be a friend, just to be around him.

I've always thought something like that.....




I think there is more to her being fired than kissing Mike in the middle of singing a line... - EXACTLY!!!

I think (I'll have to re-watch the Primetime interview Mike did with LMP & Diane Sawyer and research to be sure) that Liz noticed that he was having problems in '93 and helped him to get treatment. I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in that interview.

As for Deepak "I'm all over the TV calling Mike a drug addict" Choprah, I politely disagree.


Agree. And he claimed he helped Michael write lyrics and Michael paid him a few thousands each time. :doh:

Liz was a friend :yes:




I had to post these pics. They have nothing to do with the investigation, but I do believe Thome was not a friend. And the photos kind of freak me out. It's like half of him is hidden or in darkness.

The first one almost gives me the chills.



Michael+Jackson+Leaving+London+Hotel+sd3T11hrdICl.jpg


He looks like someone from the worst nightmare :bugeyed
 
Agree. And he claimed he helped Michael write lyrics and Michael paid him a few thousands each time. :doh:

Liz was a friend :yes:

It was Deepak's son who claimed that... I don't live in US, so I haven't seen the inteviews, but I've read one of his books. Think of it this way: if it was your friend or your relative, someone you cared about, but couldn't reach, what would YOU do? Even after Mike's passing, if you thought that there is a "lesson" to be learned by many people, what would you do? Media whoring aside, hey, it's show business, and it's the USA.

As for Liz, I did not say that she wasn't a friend who loved Michael. I just said that she may of been a bad influence. She helped him in 93, but they go back a long time, the eighties, I think. My hunch is that she is the one who "helped" him to "loosen up", that's all.
 
It was Deepak's son who claimed that... I don't live in US, so I haven't seen the inteviews, but I've read one of his books. Think of it this way: if it was your friend or your relative, someone you cared about, but couldn't reach, what would YOU do? Even after Mike's passing, if you thought that there is a "lesson" to be learned by many people, what would you do? Media whoring aside, hey, it's show business, and it's the USA.

As for Liz, I did not say that she wasn't a friend who loved Michael. I just said that she may of been a bad influence. She helped him in 93, but they go back a long time, the eighties, I think. My hunch is that she is the one who "helped" him to "loosen up", that's all.


Yes, it was Gotham.

As for Liz, "she may have been" and she may have been not. :)

I don't think so. It's just my opinion.




 
Every body that was around him during and seen his downfall to me wasn't friends and i will not say names.
 
in the case of Frank Dileo, i go by gut feel and i think he's a friend.

if i remember right, the one who said "I'm Michael Jackson's manager in life and in death" was Tohme Tohme, not Frank.

the firing of Tatiana could probably be Michael's decision, with Frank as executor. in Schmuley's book (which i did not buy), Michael was saying something about it being a problem when these girls get to like him too much.

it seems, too, that he has not Suddenly been re-hired, according to this blog:

http://thelowlynewshound.blogspot.com/2008/04/neverland-ahoy-jackson-re-shuffles-team.html

(a portion of it - blogged on April 5, 2008)
Sources tell the Newshound that Frank Dileo is becoming an ever more prominent fixture in Michael Jackson's new team. Dileo managed Jackson throughout his 'Thriller' and 'Bad' years and is widely credited with Jackson's phenomenal success during these periods.

Sacked on Valentines Day 1989 with little explanation, Dileo believes he was elbowed by Sony, who felt he had too much influence over the star.

Dileo's return to Jackson's team began during the star's 2005 child molestation trial. Since then the star has been in frequent phone contact with Dileo. Jackson first approached Dileo after the trial with the intention of producing a film in which Jackson would star as a man who would transform by night into a magic car, and a young boy would drive him around solving mysteries. That the film didn't come off was probably the most fortunate outcome for all involved.

The pair's reconciliation hit a rough patch about a year ago when Jackson's manager, Raymone Bain, instructed the star's staff to start screening the his calls. Fox columnist Roger Friedman was first to break the story that Bain was cutting Jackson off from friends and family, but was widely criticised by Jackson's fans, who labelled his story an outrageous fantasy. However, insiders soon began leaking information that Dileo's calls were not reaching Jackson.

Eventually, miffed by the lack of contact from Dileo, Jackson telephoned him from a hotel suite in London and the two had a lengthy conversation. However, moments after Jackson hung up, he flew into an apparent rage, telephoned Dileo back and told him he'd not sounded grateful enough to recieve his call.

Since then bridges have been built and whilst Dileo is not officially on Jackson's payroll, nor is it clear whether the two have met face to face since the trial, phonecalls between the two are becoming increasingly frequent.

It was during one of these recent conversations that Jackson confided in Dileo that he had terminated his manager, Raymone Bain.

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on Firpo Carr: (sorry i have forgotten where i got this - i remember it was a fan site but i just c/p'd it to my computer)

URGENT STATEMENT REGARDING MICHAEL JACKSON: His publicist, Raymone Bain, says Firpo Carr press conference doesn't have Michael's blessing
(March 10, 2004)

The following is a press release from Raymone K Bain, publicist for Michael Jackson:

We have heard that the Jackson Family spokesperson, Dr. Firpo Carr, will be holding a press conference today on behalf of the Jackson family regarding a book written about Michael Jackson. Should this press conference take place, it is being conducted without Michael Jackson’s prior knowledge or approval. Mr. Jackson sent a letter to Dr. Carr, dated February 12, 2004, which states in part,

"I am respectfully requesting that you please refrain from discussing me, or participating in any discussions regarding me in the media. It does not matter to me whether it is on behalf of my family, if the subject matter is Michael Jackson, you should refrain from making any statements. My family has the right to select anyone they so choose to speak on their behalf, and I am sure that they feel you are an effective and loyal spokesperson, who has articulated very clearly their feelings and concerns. However, these interviews are being conducted without my prior approval, and I want them to stop."

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i'm on the fence about Brett because of the article cited above. veering towards a NO if it's true that he refused to testify and help Mike in the trial

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and as to Bashir's brother, i believe he was the driver of Tommy Mottola and not MJ.
 
MJ forever, what you just posted is debatable.

Both article are not 100% accurate.

Check Firpo's website. He explain where that tabloid rumor came from.
 
I always believed Tatiana was fired by Michael. The man was in charge of his career. Who he wanted and who he didn't want was all up to him. I can picture him sending Frank to get her out of there after that stunt she pulled on stage. He never did things himself because he was shy/scared so he always sent other's to do it for him, but the decisions were always done by Michael and carried out by others under his orders.
 
I don't trust Frank one little bit! He seems pretty caught up in the circle of lies around the little group of business men who had their fingers in Michaels pie!
Its a little odd to to find out Frank is the one that signed the contract with All Good, on Michael's behalf as his manager for which the estate and Frank are now being sued, at a time when Tohme was Michaels manager. Now, all of a sudden Frank is all for AEG even though Tohme is the one that signed that deal.
When Leonard Rowe was on the Larry King live show, trying to say something about Michael saying he would never hire Frank Dileo back and Larry King wouldn't let him finish. These guys own a lot of media. They let get out what they want out. Like the BS story about Michaels weight being 140lbs that Frank said on LKL! Does he think we are blind? We all know that Mike weighed 120 at the time of the trial in 2005 and he sure as hell hadn't gained 20 lbs!
Why lie about that?
I don't trust any of them making a buck in anyway on Michael except his kids.
 
I always believed Tatiana was fired by Michael. The man was in charge of his career. Who he wanted and who he didn't want was all up to him. I can picture him sending Frank to get her out of there after that stunt she pulled on stage. He never did things himself because he was shy/scared so he always sent other's to do it for him, but the decisions were always done by Michael and carried out by others under his orders.


I believe that, too. If Michael still wanted Tatiana around, she would have been.
 
It was Deepak's son who claimed that... I don't live in US, so I haven't seen the inteviews, but I've read one of his books. Think of it this way: if it was your friend or your relative, someone you cared about, but couldn't reach, what would YOU do? Even after Mike's passing, if you thought that there is a "lesson" to be learned by many people, what would you do? Media whoring aside, hey, it's show business, and it's the USA.

As for Liz, I did not say that she wasn't a friend who loved Michael. I just said that she may of been a bad influence. She helped him in 93, but they go back a long time, the eighties, I think. My hunch is that she is the one who "helped" him to "loosen up", that's all.

Do you mean loosened up the way she did?
 
I don't trust Frank one little bit! He seems pretty caught up in the circle of lies around the little group of business men who had their fingers in Michaels pie!
Its a little odd to to find out Frank is the one that signed the contract with All Good, on Michael's behalf as his manager for which the estate and Frank are now being sued, at a time when Tohme was Michaels manager. Now, all of a sudden Frank is all for AEG even though Tohme is the one that signed that deal.
When Leonard Rowe was on the Larry King live show, trying to say something about Michael saying he would never hire Frank Dileo back and Larry King wouldn't let him finish. These guys own a lot of media. They let get out what they want out. Like the BS story about Michaels weight being 140lbs that Frank said on LKL! Does he think we are blind? We all know that Mike weighed 120 at the time of the trial in 2005 and he sure as hell hadn't gained 20 lbs!
Why lie about that?
I don't trust any of them making a buck in anyway on Michael except his kids.

The weight thing is bothering me now it didn't before. It was some pictures on here from facebook yesterday. It showed Mike with a t-shirt and gold pants with his undies showing he was extremely thin. I can't see where he weighed 136 pounds maybe because of his height but he looked almost skeletal.
 
^^^
Too many to count on one hand. I think Liza also.

Liza also made the statement after MJ passed. Michael was used from the day he was born. She probably meant every since he was a little boy.
 
Some of them do I not know so I skipped them over


Al Malnik - No
Kenny Ortega - Yes
Karen Faye - No
Frank Dileo - Yes but I dont like the way he treat Tatiana
Jesse Jackson - No
Shana Mangatal - Yes
Miko Brando - Yes
Brett Ratner - YES
Chris Tucker - Yes!!
Elizabeth Taylor - Yes
Brooke Shield - Yes
Beyonce - yes

How Brook can be his friend if MJ didn't speak to her for more than 15 years? What kind of friend she was then? Karen Faye I would put 50/50 for her. This woman probably had feelings and wanted to be around him but she didn't do anything bad for Michael.
Kenny Ortega - cared more about money.
I cannot consider him to be a friend.
Frank Dileo DEF NOT. He used to be but at the time of "This is it" shows he was not his friend. I do not know why Michael hired him back.
 
I always believed Tatiana was fired by Michael. The man was in charge of his career. Who he wanted and who he didn't want was all up to him. I can picture him sending Frank to get her out of there after that stunt she pulled on stage. He never did things himself because he was shy/scared so he always sent other's to do it for him, but the decisions were always done by Michael and carried out by others under his orders.

Yes, Tatiana was fired by Michael. The thing is that Tatiana herself still doesn't want to accept this fact and even in her interview she says that Frank fired her but not Mike. I think it is easier for her to think that way. She said also that MJ mother loved her. Probably she tried to get to Mike trough Katherine just like Lisa did. Obviously it didn’t work ether. At this point (about girls being friends) Michael was very tough.
Michael was in charge of his career and she didn’t like video girls falling in love with him. He even said it in Rabbi's book.
Michael imo had 2 real friends:Miko Brando and Liz Taylor.
 
How Brook can be his friend if MJ didn't speak to her for more than 15 years? What kind of friend she was then?

Well for Michael, any friend who didn't eventually stab him in the back could qualify as a friend. So she can still rate.
 
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