Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine) ALL THREADS MERGED

[sundayroberts1]

This touches me at my heart to see how Q is talking about michael. He might be a big producer but who really made him huge . Michael Jackson. He,s not the man i thought he was thats for sure. Michael at least deserves his loyalty. this is just so sad and i wonder what michael is thinking , i think hurt.

 

[sundayroberts1]

so stop bashing quincy, because if it werent for him, Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad, possibly the greatest albums ever would not be what they are. that is a fact.

Is it now do you forget without Michael there would be nothing or have you forgot that.

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

Well we're only going off of Quincy's comments, which he made in public, about Michael. If he hadn't said all that bull crap, then we wouldn't think their relationship was anything but good, since Michael's never said anything negative about him. This is Quincy's doing. He's a great producer, no one's denying that. But his personality rubs me the wrong way. And while he helped Michael, Michael also helped him. Something a lot of people seem to convienently forget when talking about their collaborations. What made Michael such a huge star was Michael himself and his raw, god given talent. Everything he did AFTER "Thriller" came out, his performances, his music videos, etc... Those things are what really propelled that record in to the stratosphere, and Michael's enigmatic personality, not just the album itself.

Personally, to me, "Bad" and "HIStory" are Michael's best albums, not because of the production, but because of the song writing and vocal mastery he displays.

 

[Buck Bee3ee]

Personally, to me, "Bad" and "HIStory" are Michael's best albums...

wow :huh: and i thought i was the only one who thought that

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

LOL, really? I thought I was the only one too. Kindred spirits maybe, lol.

 

[144000]

so stop bashing quincy, because if it werent for him, Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad, possibly the greatest albums ever would not be what they are. that is a fact.

first you express an opinion on what MJ's best albums are, then you state it as fact. you forgot. it's your opinion...and that's all. Many fans consider other MJ albums to be his best. and the reality is, that everybody from MJ's own brothers to quincy and beyond met the magic, only when MJ was in the mix. most people, even in the media concede that the magic motor isn't running unless MJ is there. now, magic is something that is undeniable. and everybody knows when it is not there.

as for reading the quotes...you have to go back to the beginning of this thread, and read all the quotes that quincy stated...pay attention to the one entitled 'God had left the room'. or to paraphrase....that's where he speaks in a way that is considered turning on Michael, and having a different view of him, from the view at the thriller era. edit: i went back to the beginning of the thread and the title of that section is 'God will walk out of the room'. quincy seems to imply that just because someone is going thru a rough trial period, that that means that they don't have a spiritual center. when religion specificly implies that going thru rough patches is when God is there the most. but moreover equally in good times AND bad.

 

[Rebirth]

Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

I think it's awsome.. Some fans keep saying.. Quincy and MJ are the past.. "stop living in the past" etc.. But it's not about that.. First of all if we'de truley understand the brilliance of Jazz artists/producers we'de want Michael to work with one.. second Quincy Jones is the last of the 'great Jazz men'.

Jazz producers are not like other producers.. People hear three layers of music at a time.. Jazz artists have been TRAINED to hear, sepperate, and work with 4 layers of music or more at a time.. The trainning of the ears are increadable. It was from Quincy that MJ got the ideas of many subliminal instramentals which make SUCH a big difference on a song.. Quincy is the MAN when it comes to production.

PLUS, you know what good publicity that would be?? the TALK of MJ and Quincy working together on it's own would get sales and talk UP.. It would create even MORE INTEREST

But like someone who has previously mentioned, it could turn upside down. It could backfire. I could already imagine ridiculous headlines such as "Michael Needs Quincy to Revive etc." We have already seen it with Thriller. It is unfortunate that some peeps think there would never be Michael Jackson and Thriller if it wasn't due to Quincy. Crappy BS.

Nonetheless if the story of this collaboration is true - if Michael is fine with Quincy, I would be fine too. Maybe he has forgiven Quincy (re: if Michael heard the crappy stuff that Quincy said) or maybe Michael has that ability to separate music/business with personal drama.

To be frank, I rather see Michael do mostly by himself (Re: Bad & History).

 

[gemini27]

Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

But he is good at what he does. I can't imagine MJ working with Q if he was so bothered by his mood swings (Q is a male Pisces, and let me tell ya, they are much more moody than the female Pisces -- I should know. I'm a Pisces!). I think that they both would set aside personal issues to work together because both are keenly aware of each other's gifts and talents.

And who knows? Maybe they have kissed and made up.

Or maybe Santana is bs'ing us...

agree. and let us not forget that we are talking about two grown-ups here! meaning, both are already mature to be able to work harmoniosly if only because both are top notch artists

 

[mkgenie]

Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

1, he said about what probably affected Michael

video: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/xdjj-Y21Uow/

or http://www.veoh.com/videos/v28632662nbDPeND

2, some kind words:

video: http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/9_-OjILR6Wk/

or http://www.veoh.com/videos/v2863274p7HbtbrN

May 26, 2006
Clips from Phoenix TV's Lecture of the Century program
Site: Peking University, Beijing. China's best university.

 

[DenisRS]

Thanks to MKGenie for the videos.

Well, Quincy was again at it. Now he talked about Jacksons's "changing his face" that what "God's given" as root of (psychological) problems in his life.

To be correct:
1) it is not "face", but it was nose, basically, changing (dim on chin does not belong to phrases like "face changing");
2) there is no information that Michael ever had psychological problems since doing surgeries;
3) Quincy was not close to Jackson for decades and there is no way how he could know about Michael's psychological problems at all;
4) and, for "God's given face" mantra: why do Quincy Jones and others dare to change God's given look they got? Why do they shave and have hair cut? Why do they cut nails? Why do people have their teeth corrected through brackets? Why do they take shower daily?

Why they all do that when God created them to be hairy smelly creatures with crooked teeth and inches-long nails?? How dare they!!? They lost humility before God!!! God went out of the door!!!!

To be honest, I would require all barbershops, orthodontist services, beauty saloons, gyms, as well as manufacturers like Procter&Gamble, Gillette and such immediately closed and forbidden!! Shame to humanity that lost all the humility!!!


So, to sum this judgmentality up:

1) QJ's statement is outright unethical because it is judgemental;

2) QJ's statement is ignorant nonsense because there is no concept of
"untouchable" "God-given nature"; even bishops always "touch" it;

3) QJ's statement is double nonsense because if Michael would not do
surgery, then, being of black race, having one of the biggest noses ever,
and suffering from vitiligo, turning into white, he would end up looking
much more "alien" and "unreal" than now, and generate even more alleged psychological problems from that;

4) Michael suffered from how he looked and was mocked for that even in
family for years, so there is no way how anyone can question his decision;

Additionally:

5) Jackson's vitiligo is well-documented fact;

6) for many people colour of skin can not be lightened permanently, because melanine-generating cell always get recovered by organism until those cells get killed by immune system. And this
happens over and over again;

7) no thing in the world that can cause a person to have vitiligo. It is
hereditary genetic desease of immune system;

8) there is no such thing as "surgery obsession" in case of Michael, he had
spans without any surgery for like ten years, and did not change anything
conceptually from 1984. Jackson has about the same look for 23 years
already, but tabloids always try to invent "50" surgeries as they compile
images that took from different angles, with different lighting, with
different quality and present it as "ever changing face of J*cko".

 

[DenisRS]

Re: Quincy Jones reflects on Thriller (Billboard Magazine)

Why? You don't think that MJ and QJ already know how they feel about one another? And in that op piece that Q wrote, he said a lot, implied a lot, but never said anything directly derogatory about MJ. Obviously that's left up to the reader's interpretation of it.

If MJ wants to work with Q, I'm sure that if the air needs to be cleared, then they will do it. Q doesn't strike me as a shy kind of guy about his feelings.

Since Q says different things on the same matters depending whether it is profitable to situation or not, it may very well mean that he never said directly to Michael that he has lost humility and that "changing of the face" was root of his troubles, including alleged psychological.

Jackson is very sensitive person, so he would be probably shocked to know this from Quincy. And yes, Michael hardly knows.

Also, there is no other ways to interpret what Jones was saying about Jackson. So we can not just say it was not judgmental, it was something else, because all criterias of judgmentality were met and there is no way just throw it out.

If Michael wants to produce something in collaboration with Quincy, then, of course, it is business between them. However, it would be better to be sure that Jackson knows exactly how Jones thinks of him as psychologically troubled man who surpassed "God's given" face without humility, and that overall, in big scale, "God walked out of the room".

 

[DenisRS]

But, you know, Michael`s an interesting person. The day he got arrested, my son called him. And he was in handcuffs. And he told my son, "Are you all right?" You know, "Don`t worry about me. Take care of yourself." And he was actually asking about his welfare.

And every time I spoke to Michael, he would do that. He would be more concerned about how everything was going on with me. And even though I knew he was anxious, he was always maintaining that appearance of strength, and he tried to be as strong as he could.

See how much Michael behaves himself as person that lacks humility. :banghead

Someone mentioned that Michael always took the trouble of waving to the fans
at the courthouse last year, no matter how he felt. He did more than that. I
don't know if this was reported on these message boards back then, I was
there and wasn't much on line.

Oftentimes, when Michael came back to Neverland in the afternoon, he wanted
to talk to the fans. Every day, in fact, unless he was in too much pain to
manage it. He stopped or drove real slow, and opened the window for us.
Later on he would do so from behind the gate. And several times, especially
in march and april, he drove up to the main house, and then made a phonecall
to the little gatehouse near the main gate. He would ask the guard to call
one fan, or two, into the the little house, and we would talk on the phone.
Several times, I was that lucky one.

Every time I spoke to Michael this way, he would give a message to the fans,
and it always came down to one basic thing: I love you. But he also made
sure every time to say something more, to elaborate, to drive home the
messsage that he really meant it. He would point out specific things that
individual fans had done for him. Banners he'd seen, letters he'd received,
etc. He said in many different ways that he felt the support and the love,
and that it made a big difference for him. One time, he said "When we're
inside the courtroom, and you guys are sitting behind me, I can feel the
love. I literally feel it. Oh, it's amazing."

Whenever he would speak of this love, there would be an urgency in his
voice, like this was the most important thing in the world to say. So...
does Michael mean it when he says 'I love you?' Hell yes, more than you'll
ever know.

Q has issues with MJ and I would prefer he not talk about MJ anymore. He could talk about all those other acts HE brought to megastardom -- you know -- like Tamia, Tevin Campbell and Jack Wagner. rolleyes.gif

lol, true RO.
Michael has more humility and gratitude then Quincy could ever have, so for him to dictate to Michael how he has lost touch with his spirituality and has allowed superstardom to ruin him is absurd. Quincy could learn some lessons from Michael about spirituality. I've never seen another person so humble as Michael.

see, it doesn't make sense, does it?
one minute, he's talking about how mj is as a person and artist, the next, he acts as though he was just a fly on the wall all those years.

'i only know him as a musician'.

i still don't understand how he (and oprah to a certain extent) can take the word of strangers like chandler and arviso over the man he knows. i'm so confused about q. i'm just happy i've never ever heard, and will probably never hear, mj stoop to quincy's level.

 

[benscarr]

Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

Michael should NOT produce his own album cause he puts too much filler on them, If he works with Quincy not only will he get a crapload of good publicity, but Quincy will make sure that his new album is a solid one and no filler is present.

Michael's never produced a whole album by himself. I think if Michael chose to write/compose/arrange and produce a whole album by himself like Prince does, then Michael could still have artistically his greatest album ahead of him. I'm sure Michael wouldn't have any filler songs on his albums if he produced himself.

Thanks to MKGenie for the videos.

3) QJ's statement is double nonsense because if Michael would not do
surgery, then, being of black race, having one of the biggest noses ever,

Michael had a broad nose, but it wasn't as big as it looks in some photos. As there are a lot of bad photos of Michael aged 18-20 , and most are black & white photos. And Michael was also very handsome before he had surgery, even though I think Michael having surgery improved his appearance a great deal.


As for what Quincy Jones has said about Michael. I still think Quincy is an amazing producer and a very intelligent man, but as a person I've lost all respect for him. No matter what he thinks about Michael changing his appearance etc, he should have kept them to himself considering he said he still loves Michael. Because you don't say negative things to the media about people who you love and consider soul mates. You never hear Berry Gordy say such negative things about Michael, and he's known Michael since he was 9yrs old.

Another think is people seem to think Quincy Jones turned Michael in to a music icon. What's forgotten is that those Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad albums are Michael Jackson projects. It was Michael who hired Quincy Jones as his producer for Off The Wall, and it was Michael who for with Epic Records to use Quincy Jones because they didn't think he was the right kind of producer. Plus it was Michael who wrote and composed the lead single Don't Stop Till You Get Enough that made Off The Wall and Michael solo career the iconic success it became. Basicially the songs Michael wrote really shaped his album with Quincy Jones. So it can also be said that Quincy Jones wouldn't be as iconic as music producer as he is if Michael had never hired Quincy Jones. And the way I see it is that Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones's genius made each other the icons they are.

 

[Datsymay]

Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

I think it's awsome.. Some fans keep saying.. Quincy and MJ are the past.. "stop living in the past" etc.. But it's not about that.. First of all if we'de truley understand the brilliance of Jazz artists/producers we'de want Michael to work with one.. second Quincy Jones is the last of the 'great Jazz men'.

Jazz producers are not like other producers.. People hear three layers of music at a time.. Jazz artists have been TRAINED to hear, sepperate, and work with 4 layers of music or more at a time.. The trainning of the ears are increadable. It was from Quincy that MJ got the ideas of many subliminal instramentals which make SUCH a big difference on a song.. Quincy is the MAN when it comes to production.

PLUS, you know what good publicity that would be?? the TALK of MJ and Quincy working together on it's own would get sales and talk UP.. It would create even MORE INTEREST

I would believe all this if quincy had produced other stars like MJ. He hasn't. I am sure that he got many calls after MJ. Don't forget that Quincy said in many interviews that the Thriller album was aweful when it was frst produced. What quincy never said was that it was MICHAEL that rejected it and refused to put it out. I have read that MJ walked out the room crying when he first heard Thriller. He refused to release it cause that wasn't how it was suppose to sound. Michael Jackson made quincy do it again and the rest is history, of course quincy went away to have a nervous breakdown over it and WASN'T ready at the start of the production of Bad. MJ had to start without him.
I just wonder if Quincy was honest enough to put all this in his book. Sometimes when people think that you were good to them they turn against you. MJ was good for quincy's career. MJ was already being called a legend when he met quincy.

 

[Rebirth]

Eh, anyone heard of Michael Fredo?

Michael Anthony Fredo (born July 17, 1980 in Elmira, New York) is an American pop singer-songwriter. He has produced one studio album, written and performed the theme song for the movie Black and White, and his music has been featured in film, television, and a broad range of advertising campaigns worldwide. He is also the nephew of Tommy Hilfiger.

He first came into the public eye after being signed to Qwest Records/Warner Brothers Records by Quincy Jones and his previous album, Introducing Michael Fredo, has sold over 300,000 copies worldwide; his music video was also played extensively on MTV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Fredo

No offence to Michael Fredo. But my point if Quincy made Thriller and Michael Jackson, where is Michael Fredo now?

His album received fair reviews.

 

[DenisRS]

benscarr: I meant and wrote "one of the biggest", talking about Jackson's nose -- however, that is not the point: he, not others, was teased anyway.


As to Quincy's role -- I am against when so-called "critics" and media use his name in connection to Michael's to move away Jackson's credits. Role of QJ in the cooperation with Michael is very limited indeed, but his role as standalone artistic identity is totally separate matter

Actually, we do not even have objective information to suggest that Quincy played a very important role in Michael's musical development at that time. We can not trace it anywhere. But we do have all confirmations that he was managing songwriters and producing their songs for Michael Jackson, and did it very strongly. He did also some minor co-arrangements for Michael's own songs. No more, no less than that.

Also, artistic and commercial success to OTW and T albums was brought by Jackson's own composed and arranged songs, not Rod Temberton ones. If Michael would choose another producer than Quincy Jones, Jackson's songs would still be there, as well as the "Moonwalk". So, by the matter of facts, there is no way to tie anyhow strongly QJ with Jackson's success, aside of any personal attachment and irrational, emotional attitude towards this producer. His role was very limited.

However, QJ's input is great in concrete implementation of Michael's success -- starting even with bringing song like "Thriller", which gave name to album. What I mean is that without QJ there could be other strong outside songs, history would be different, but still great.

 

[DenisRS]

By the way, Quincy writes about "Beat It" as if it was him who made Michael to compose it. However, there is too much wishful thinking in this, since according to Jackson the song was written and kept private for time before Jones ever knew. The only thing Quincy Jones did is "forced" Michael to give in the song (thanks for that, if so).

 

[1988]

Is it now do you forget without Michael there would be nothing or have you forgot that.

OBVIOUSLY michael had a HUUUGE role in the albums, but if Michael had worked with a different producer or had done it himself for Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad, they wouldn't have been the same at all. I personally give Quincy half the credit for Thriller. Thats my opinion, so don't reply with negative words because you dont agree.

 

[1988]

first you express an opinion on what MJ's best albums are, then you state it as fact. you forgot. it's your opinion...and that's all. Many fans consider other MJ albums to be his best. and the reality is, that everybody from MJ's own brothers to quincy and beyond met the magic, only when MJ was in the mix. most people, even in the media concede that the magic motor isn't running unless MJ is there. now, magic is something that is undeniable. and everybody knows when it is not there.

I never stated that Off The Wall, Thriller or Bad were his greatest albums, i said that they were "possibly his greatest" based on reviews from music critics and all that as well as sales. I personally like Dangerous the best. I did however state that they would NOT have been what they were without Quincy which IS a fact. Im not saying Quincy was the only factor behind their success, that would be dumb, Michael is clearly the main creative force behind them, but with Quincy the albums would've been completely different.

I dont want to start anything, but I honestly don't see how people have thought Quincy has "turned" on michael. He hasn't said anything bad about michael. Has he?

 

[144000]

I never stated that Off The Wall, Thriller or Bad were his greatest albums, i said that they were "possibly his greatest" based on reviews from music critics and all that as well as sales. I personally like Dangerous the best. I did however state that they would NOT have been what they were without Quincy which IS a fact. Im not saying Quincy was the only factor behind their success, that would be dumb, Michael is clearly the main creative force behind them, but with Quincy the albums would've been completely different.

I dont want to start anything, but I honestly don't see how people have thought Quincy has "turned" on michael. He hasn't said anything bad about michael. Has he?

well i don't believe in what ifs...and by now many of mj's albums have reached the original benchmark of thriller, sales wise. and critics are irrelevant. time has been good to mj.

quincy jones implied that mj can't handle his success. read the quotes carefully. it's there.

most people, including u, think that just because thriller met the benchmark first, that his follow up albums could not possibly be as successful. nothing could be further from the truth. mj believes in patience, while many others believe in instant gratification. michael believes in how the story ends, while critics go by first week sales. this is per mj's own quote. he spoke of the nutcracker suite being a flop, when it first came out....and now it's a christmas classic. so, mj's patient outlook on things proves that he handles his success better than anyone else in that position. by now , because of time alone, many of his later albums after thriller have reached the 40 million original benchmark, around the world. that's just logic talking, but critics don't want to see it that way. now, others, besides me, have seen the negative comments that jones made, in the section titled, 'God Will Walk Out Of The Room'. i don't know why you don't see them...unless you don't want to see them

 

[Forever_Mike]

well i don't believe in what ifs...and by now many of mj's albums have reached the original benchmark of thriller, sales wise. and critics are irrelevant. time has been good to mj.

quincy jones implied that mj can't handle his success. read the quotes carefully. it's there.

most people, including u, think that just because thriller met the benchmark first, that his follow up albums could not possibly be as successful. nothing could be further from the truth. mj believes in patience, while many others believe in instant gratification. michael believes in how the story ends, while critics go by first week sales. this is per mj's own quote. he spoke of the nutcracker suite being a flop, when it first came out....and now it's a christmas classic. so, mj's patient outlook on things proves that he handles his success better than anyone else in that position. by now , because of time alone, many of his later albums after thriller have reached the 40 million original benchmark, around the world. that's just logic talking, but critics don't want to see it that way. now, others, besides me, have seen the negative comments that jones made, in the section titled, 'God Will Walk Out Of The Room'. i don't know why you don't see them...unless you don't want to see them

Totally Agree!:yes: Also if Q is the main force behing Thriller and not MJ then why hasn't he created albums better or even close to Thriller? Were as MJ's work after Thriller continues to be successful.
Also what made Thriller even better/sealed its make in history books was the Videos! Credit for that goes to none other than MJ. He had been doing inspirational videos even with his brothers eg Can you feel it etc.

 

[144000]

Totally Agree!:yes: Also if Q is the main force behing Thriller and not MJ then why hasn't he created albums better or even close to Thriller? Were as MJ's work after Thriller continues to be successful.
Also what made Thriller even better/sealed its make in history books was the Videos! Credit for that goes to none other than MJ. He had been doing inspirational videos even with his brothers eg Can you feel it etc.

i totally agree with u....jones next album was not commercially successful...it was without MJ...quincy made it a priority to see what he could do without MJ, and it hasn't worked. then he came out with the magazine, cus the music wasn't working as well, post thriller...for jones.

it's amazing how many people change careers after they part from MJ, but only MJ remains with his original career. that should tell you everything you need to know.

 

[Bee.]

Re: MJ and Quincy - Your Views

It was Michael's goal to always have every cut on an album be excellent, that was his idea. He doesn't put filler on albums, every track he does is usually high quality. Just cause it ain't hit material doesn't mean its a bad song. I think Michael should produce he's own album.

With that said, I don't like Quincy personally, I think he's a dick and a fair weathered friend, but if Michael want's to work with him, that's great. He's a great producer. But the problem may be in Quincy's want to control and Michael's want to control. Quincy might come in their acting like he's in charge, cause that's what he's used to. But Michael's grown and he now controls his projects, so he wouldn't allow that to happen, and from there on, the whole thing may just collapse.

I agree with most of what you said, but calling Q a "dick" is uncalled for. I understand the anger, but you have to respect the man. You might not like the guy, but calling him names is not going to solve any problems or help us understand what is the core of why Q, regarding the Billboard article and that blog, feels the way he feels about MJ.

 

[Bee.]

I think if Quincy has said he doesn't know Michael anymore, it's up to Michael. How could someone know someone if they haven't been in touch that much? So Michael should contact Quincy and Quincy would notice that Michael is still Michael. Everyone has their bad moments, so has Michael. But it doesn't mean he is that much different.

Well, the way I see it, Quincy should have never said that comment. Quincy said that comment the day that MJ was arrested. Quincy was with Lionel Richie in Philadelphia because Q was going to recieved the Marian Anderson (opera singer) Award for humantarism. Q was asked about MJ and he said that he did not know that Michael Jackson. He totally bashed MJ when MJ was down. Then, to add insult to injury Q never released any statement to show support and basically bashed him in that blog tha tdenisrs posted on the first page. Q does know MJ very well. Read Q's book in the MJ parts. This man knows MJ. He made it very clear how he feels about Mike. That is why his comment that he said about MJ bothers me. This man like literally was like a father to him. You have people in the media, some who are "cool" with Q bashing MJ and not one time this man tried to tell people that MJ is not like that. It bothers me.

However, it is possible that they did "kissed and made up". Very possible. Maybe Santana is playing games and lying about this team up. (Which I doubt). What matters to me is that the music is good and that magic happens in whatever they are supposely doing together.

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

It just means I think he's a jerk, with the way he conducts himself in public.

And he can talk about Michael's face all he wants, but stating that as the root of Michael's trouble isn't going to help Michael at all. The girl asked him what his advice to Michael would be in this situation and he goes off on a rant about his face? Real productive. The only thing that would have helped Michael there is if people would have told him he was beautiful when he was a child, not ugly.

 

[1988]

well i don't believe in what ifs...and by now many of mj's albums have reached the original benchmark of thriller, sales wise. and critics are irrelevant. time has been good to mj.

quincy jones implied that mj can't handle his success. read the quotes carefully. it's there.

most people, including u, think that just because thriller met the benchmark first, that his follow up albums could not possibly be as successful. nothing could be further from the truth. mj believes in patience, while many others believe in instant gratification. michael believes in how the story ends, while critics go by first week sales. this is per mj's own quote. he spoke of the nutcracker suite being a flop, when it first came out....and now it's a christmas classic. so, mj's patient outlook on things proves that he handles his success better than anyone else in that position. by now , because of time alone, many of his later albums after thriller have reached the 40 million original benchmark, around the world. that's just logic talking, but critics don't want to see it that way. now, others, besides me, have seen the negative comments that jones made, in the section titled, 'God Will Walk Out Of The Room'. i don't know why you don't see them...unless you don't want to see them

Thriller is michael jackson's only album to have reached the 40 million mark. As for critics, they've been very supportive towards michael's albums after thriller except for BOTDF and Invincible because they arn't solid albums like Bad and Dangerous are.

 

[Bee.]

Considering none of us knows michael or quincy personally we shouldnt talk about their relationship like we have any clue as to whats going on.

Right, however the thread was made regarding the recent information per Carlos Santana that MJ and Q are possibly in the studio working together. I made a thread, that mello1 merged regarding the fans opinions about this. I noticed that there are fans (including me) who do not like Q based on what he did and said regarding MJ during the time of the trial. The thread was made for discussion reasons because this is an discussion board. Not everyone is going to agree, that is why we are discussing things. We are here to read, learn, be informed and discussed. You cannot be telling us what we can and cannot discuss. You have no control over that. I also reminded the fans to be respectful towards Quincy. We might not have a "clue" but we have an understanding of why Q acted the way he acted regarding MJ these days.

Also, I re-read the Billboard article again and Q does seem bitter, to me, in that article. He refers to Michael as Jackson. That is a long cry from the days when Q used to call Mike "Smelly" or "his son". Also, the "shoutouts" that he gave to Bruce, Rod, Greg and others, where Mickey's? Hmmmm...

 

[Born To Love You]

Mr Jones' personal views on Michael's spirituality or lack thereof, his humility or lack thereof, sense of racial identity or lack thereof are just that - HIS PERSONAL VIEWS. But they also point out the issues that Mr Jones still has to deal with his own life.

Where I will challenge Mr Jones is where he may want to suggest/imply/infer/state that the success of Thriller was duely LARGELY to everyone BUT Michael. If after all this time he still does not feel that he is properly recognised for his contribution to Thriller's success, then that is yet ANOTHER issue in his life that HE has to deal with. But not, most assuredly, at Michael's expense.

And some of us may not want to face this but the level of JEALOUSY that surrounds Michael Jackson must be staggering. Lest we forget, NOBODY has reached the heights that Michael Jackson has and it was not for the lack of trying on their part.

Then there are some people who work with or for him, who seem to want to be seen as the "wind beneath his wings", the person without whom Michael could not reach the heights he reaches, his "saviour".

I am not quite sure which category Mr Jones falls into . . .

Nancii
The Super Legacy Defender

PS I always smile when I watch the The One dvd when QJ says "we made our best music". I always say out loud "No Quince YOU made your best music!"

 

[BE.86]

Considering none of us knows michael or quincy personally we shouldnt talk about their relationship like we have any clue as to whats going on.

But it's not like we are making up the allegations here, quincy has said so himself that " he doesn't want to get involved with Michael again", when you look back in the 80's? at some of the footage? they were inseparable, they were always each other's company, all of a sudden he states that " he doesn't know who michael is anymore?" talk about real friends or just being phony. Michael has trusted and loved so many people but what did they do? they took his kindness for granted and sense he was/is the international superstar? people just wanted to get in the picture. It's deceitful but at the same time, Michael knows who he can trust now, he knows who really didn't care too much for him as he did for him,and you prob. won't see him getting involved with those people again. And to think all of this drama unfolded when the trial beginned, so many people he was close o wanted to see him go down or believed what was being said. It's true when Michael said that there's only 3 people(to that instinct) he can count on on one hand as his friends.

 

[Datsymay]

Mr Jones' personal views on Michael's spirituality or lack thereof, his humility or lack thereof, sense of racial identity or lack thereof are just that - HIS PERSONAL VIEWS. But they also point out the issues that Mr Jones still has to deal with his own life.

Where I will challenge Mr Jones is where he may want to suggest/imply/infer/state that the success of Thriller was duely LARGELY to everyone BUT Michael. If after all this time he still does not feel that he is properly recognised for his contribution to Thriller's success, then that is yet ANOTHER issue in his life that HE has to deal with. But not, most assuredly, at Michael's expense.

And some of us may not want to face this but the level of JEALOUSY that surrounds Michael Jackson must be staggering. Lest we forget, NOBODY has reached the heights that Michael Jackson has and it was not for the lack of trying on their part.

Then there are some people who work with or for him, who seem to want to be seen as the "wind beneath his wings", the person without whom Michael could not reach the heights he reaches, his "saviour".

I am not quite sure which category Mr Jones falls into . . .

Nancii
The Super Legacy Defender

PS I always smile when I watch the The One dvd when QJ says "we made our best music". I always say out loud "No Quince YOU made your best music!"

You got that right. I cannot remember where I read that quincy said that he would have prefered it if Thriller wasn't so successful. Speak what is in your heart quoncy. Quincy will never forget that he had to beg |MJ for that job and MJ had to fight his record label to have him. That alone will make Quincy envious. He has the Oprah syndrome just like many other people who benefited from MJ's fame.