Quincy Jones isn't the only one who worked with then dissed MJ..

[144000]

Samm Brown, the writer of MJ's 'One Day In Your Life' the song that made Samm Brown, has a program on in los angeles called 'for the record' in the episode for Sunday January 13, he spoke about in depth info about the goings on behind the scenes and in the limelight of the current music industry. saying that it is worth seven hundred billion dollars in the usa alone, and upwards.... he and his panel discussed the current state of the industry, and managed to mention every artist and his brother and sister, but distinctly left out MJ and the impact he has had on the industry. you can listen to the program in its entirety for the next ninety days... right here..

http://www.kpfk.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2101&Itemid=135

just look for the program called 'for the record' with Samm Brown, and the episode marked Jan. 13, 2008 and click on your choice of play or download.. i could be wrong, but i sincerely doubt it..i listened intently to the entire program. if i'm wrong about what was, and, more importantly, wasn't said....let me know....

it is the third program down from the top of the list. but it may travel further down the list with the passage of time, because the programs are listed in chronological order, from the date of this posting, forward.

 

[tinker*bell]

Wait, I didn't understand. This guy worked with Michael in the past, and now he has a program that talks about music and all good artists, but he failed to mention MJ at all? Is that it?

But there are a couple of programs still to be aired, and so MJ could be metioned later, right?

Did I understand it right or did I just make no sense at all?? :lol:

 

[Marni]

I don't get it either...

And I don't think Q ever dissed MJ- ever.

 

[J5master]

And teddy riley too....sorta kinda lol.

No i remember Q saying SOMETHING off about MJ...i just can't gather the quote.

 

[tinker*bell]

And teddy riley too....sorta kinda lol.

No i remember Q saying SOMETHING off about MJ...i just can't gather the quote.

Hey! You're here at MJJC too! ^_^
Good to see you around!!

Anyway, back to the topic, I've never read or seen anything Q said that causes the impression he's dissing Michael... But I know I don't like that idea.

 

[J5master]

Hey! You're here at MJJC too! ^_^
Good to see you around!!

Anyway, back to the topic, I've never read or seen anything Q said that causes the impression he's dissing Michael... But I know I don't like that idea.

yeaaah gurl! this is my MJ forum home actually. I was here during the MJJF days lol.

Yeah i wish i could remember what that quote was.

 

[144000]

apparently there's a disagreement about whether or not, quincy jones dissed MJ...but in the quincy jones thriller 25 thread, in the section titled 'God will walk out of the room' quincy jones gives the impression in his quote that MJ couldn't handle his fame and is not spiritually centered. i guess you'll have to read that section of the quotes for yourself. it's at the very beginning of that thread. as far as the Samm Brown program, this was the second part of a two part program, and, clearly, there was credit given to a plethora of artists who make up the industry, past, and present. MJ was not mentioned at all, and not mentioned as having an impact on the industry. there are no more parts to this program by Samm Brown. He does not mention MJ at all, though his first big song was one that MJ sang.

you'll have to go to the other thread about jones..i made this thread, cus it's not about jones..it's about Samm Brown.

but if you want me to point where i believe quincy jones implied negativity toward Michael, go to the paragraph headed 'God Will Walk Out Of The Room' and go to the paragraph number three, where jones begins with 'When we made Thriller'..and read that paragraph and the next one. it's at the beginning of that thread, about two posts down. it's the second post down from the top, in that quincy jones thriller 25 thread.

 

[MJzPrincess1982]

Hmmm... never heard this before...

 

[tinker*bell]

apparently there's a disagreement about whether or not, quincy jones dissed MJ...but in the quincy jones thriller 25 thread, in the section titled 'God will walk out of the room' quincy jones gives the impression in his quote that MJ couldn't handle his fame and is not spiritually centered. i guess you'll have to read that section of the quotes for yourself. it's at the very beginning of that thread. as far as the Samm Brown program, this was the second part of a two part program, and, clearly, there was credit given to a plethora of artists who make up the industry, past, and present. MJ was not mentioned at all, and not mentioned as having an impact on the industry. there are no more parts to this program by Samm Brown. He does not mention MJ at all, though his first big song was one that MJ sang.

you'll have to go to the other thread about jones..i made this thread, cus it's not about jones..it's about Samm Brown.

but if you want me to point where i believe quincy jones implied negativity toward Michael, go to the paragraph headed 'God Will Walk Out Of The Room' and go to the paragraph number three, where jones begins with 'When we made Thriller'..and read that paragraph and the next one. it's at the beginning of that thread, about two posts down. it's the second post down from the top, in that quincy jones thriller 25 thread.

Well, that's very sad!
Again, people are trying very hard to not letting Michael take credit for what he did and does. It breaks my heart to imagine his face when he sees these things... :no:

 

[Marni]

apparently there's a disagreement about whether or not, quincy jones dissed MJ...but in the quincy jones thriller 25 thread, in the section titled 'God will walk out of the room' quincy jones gives the impression in his quote that MJ couldn't handle his fame and is not spiritually centered. i guess you'll have to read that section of the quotes for yourself. it's at the very beginning of that thread. as far as the Samm Brown program, this was the second part of a two part program, and, clearly, there was credit given to a plethora of artists who make up the industry, past, and present. MJ was not mentioned at all, and not mentioned as having an impact on the industry. there are no more parts to this program by Samm Brown. He does not mention MJ at all, though his first big song was one that MJ sang.

you'll have to go to the other thread about jones..i made this thread, cus it's not about jones..it's about Samm Brown.

but if you want me to point where i believe quincy jones implied negativity toward Michael, go to the paragraph headed 'God Will Walk Out Of The Room' and go to the paragraph number three, where jones begins with 'When we made Thriller'..and read that paragraph and the next one. it's at the beginning of that thread, about two posts down. it's the second post down from the top, in that quincy jones thriller 25 thread.

Isn't it possible this was taken out of context? I'd read this as meaning Quincy meant that Michael did have humility and a spiritual centre, I mean going by stuff he's said about Michael in the past.:

God Will Walk Out of the Room

Caught a little of the Elvis movie on TV. The kid from Dublin playing him was good; had the moves down.

It got me to thinking about fame and massive success and about how some people can handle it -- and how for others it can be the most destructive thing in the world.

It got me to thinking about Michael -- and how difficult it is to watch what’s going on with him now.

When we made “Thriller”, he was the most beautiful person in the world. Just a beautiful little brother. And you can’t help but wonder if things happened too fast, or does success of this magnitude become emotionally unmanageable?

All I know is that, on their own, human beings are not programmed to be able to handle that much fame, that much adulation, that much success. The only way to deal with something that overwhelming -- even overwhelming success -- is if you are spiritually centered.

If you believe that you deserve all that money and adulation, that’s a problem. If you believe you don’t deserve it, that’s also a problem. And if you don’t understand this, you’re in trouble.

I’ve been in the business 57 years and I’ve seen it over and over again. It’s all about trusting a higher power; believing in divinity. It’s about cause and manifestation. Cause being God’s job, manifestation clearly being our job. The moment success leads you to say, “I’ll take it from here, God,” God’s reply will be, “Be my guest.” And God will walk out of the room.

The only way to navigate that road is to have humility and grace.

Those are the two cardinal rules. You must approach creativity with humility and have grace when you’re blessed with success.

I still don't see it as a "diss". Quincy says the same about other artists in his book... I don't think he's specifically talking about Michael in the above quote.

 

[tinker*bell]

Well, I don't know if it's out of context or what, but to me it didn't sound like he was saying that Michael did have humility and a spiritual centre. Especially because of the part where he said

When we made “Thriller”, he was the most beautiful person in the world. Just a beautiful little brother. And you can’t help but wonder if things happened too fast, or does success of this magnitude become emotionally unmanageable?

If he's wondering if things happened too fast or that it's something emotionally unmanageable, it states that he thinks Michael did not handle well his sucess. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like...
When was it said? Around the trial time?

 

[wannabestartinsomthin21]

It's obvious what Quincy meant. He talks about how massive success can be the most destructive thing, then about Michael having all of this trouble, how he was beautiful. He's suggesting that Michael is having or had the trouble he did because he couldn't stay humble or centered.

 

[144000]

Isn't it possible this was taken out of context? I'd read this as meaning Quincy meant that Michael did have humility and a spiritual centre, I mean going by stuff he's said about Michael in the past.:




I still don't see it as a "diss". Quincy says the same about other artists in his book... I don't think he's specifically talking about Michael in the above quote.

naaaa..sorry marni....no can do on that one. that's an MJ diss...

i can't stand the phrase 'taken out of context'.

but i do understand that if someone really likes someone they will defend them to the hilt. i can understand if u like quincy jones. i'm just callin it like i see it. i can respect quincy...but...i would know if i dissed someone..even if i hid that diss behind smoke and mirrors.

just say MJ can't handle success..or else..say...MJ can handle it. no double talk. i can't stand double talk. and at best quincy is trying to mask what he's saying.

anyway...maybe i should have retitled this thread, cus this was about a diss by ommission, by Samm Brown. but i know all to well how people will reach out far to defend someone, so i guess i knew the risk i was taking that this would become a two subject thread. but, in the end..this thread is about Samm Brown.

 

[sundayroberts1]

It will break his heart cause they were so close , how sad where has loyality gon in this world we live in.

 

[tinker*bell]

naaaa..sorry marni....no can do on that one. that's an MJ diss...

i can't stand the phrase 'taken out of context'.

but i do understand that if someone really likes someone they will defend them to the hilt. i can understand if u like quincy jones. i'm just callin it like i see it. i can respect quincy...but...i would know if i dissed someone..even if i hid that diss behind smoke and mirrors.

just say MJ can't handle success..or else..say...MJ can handle it. no double talk. i can't stand double talk. and at best quincy is trying to mask what he's saying.

Yeah, I agree with vince... I think Quincy could have said what he intended without even bringing Michael's name up to the table. It was unnecessary to the conversation. He could have completely made his point with the first two paragraphs and then jumping to the five last ones.

 

[Marni]

Ok, I can see what you're saying. I still don't see it as a direct diss at all. Yes I like Q, but I am not a mega fan or anything, I just think he's a genius. He has said that about other artists, not just Michael. He's also said other beautiful things about Michael... so I just don't see this as a diss.

 

[144000]

Ok, I can see what you're saying. I still don't see it as a direct diss at all. Yes I like Q, but I am not a mega fan or anything, I just think he's a genius. He has said that about other artists, not just Michael. He's also said other beautiful things about Michael... so I just don't see this as a diss.

ok. you are entitled to your opinion, as we all are.

 

[AllForMJ]

Quincy's quote from the December 2007 issue of EBONY:

Nearly every day, Jones sees the impact of the project across the globe. "Look, I've been around the world at least three times this year--Angkor Wat, Vietnam, Seoul, Rwanda, Cairo, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Moscow--and, man, you cannot tell what city your are in because at 12 o'clock, they start kickin' that music, and you will hear 'Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' or 'Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough' or 'Billie Jean.' It blows my mind, like it was 25 years ago. I've said it before: The '80s were ours!"

Wow!!! Quincy sounds sooooooo humble!

Doesn't he sound humble you guys? Come on. Let's pretend these are the words of someone that's rrrrrreeeeaaaalllllyyyyy humble.

OMG. One can't sound anymore humble than that!! I mean really!!

Oops! Wait a minute. That doesn't sound like the words of someone that is humble. THAT sounds like the words of someone that is BIG-HEADED!! THAT sounds like words that would come from someone that would turn their back on the other person that makes up the word "ours" when they're going through problems that someone else started for them.

And isn't funny how he listed all the songs that Michael wrote?

Also, what other producer puts his voice at the end of the artist's album? Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad....there's Quincy's voice. What's all that about? Oh, I know!! He wants to make sure EVERYONE knows he worked on the albums! He wants that fame, adulation and money. Everything that he says is too much for Michael, are all the things that he wants for himself. Why else would he make sure his voice is tacked on at the end of each album?

I've bought a lot of music over the years...music by different artists...and I have never heard the voice of a producer talking at the end of an album until Quincy did it. Why couldn't he just produce the album and leave it at that?

 

[144000]

Quincy's quote from the December 2007 issue of EBONY:

Nearly every day, Jones sees the impact of the project across the globe. "Look, I've been around the world at least three times this year--Angkor Wat, Vietnam, Seoul, Rwanda, Cairo, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Moscow--and, man, you cannot tell what city your are in because at 12 o'clock, they start kickin' that music, and you will hear 'Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' or 'Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough' or 'Billie Jean.' It blows my mind, like it was 25 years ago. I've said it before: The '80s were ours!"

Wow!!! Quincy sounds sooooooo humble!

Doesn't he sound humble you guys? Come on. Let's pretend these are the words of someone that's rrrrrreeeeaaaalllllyyyyy humble.

OMG. One can't sound anymore humble than that!! I mean really!!

Oops! Wait a minute. That doesn't sound like the words of someone that is humble. THAT sounds like the words of someone that is BIG-HEADED!! THAT sounds like words that would come from someone that would turn their back on the other person that makes up the word "ours" when they're going through problems that someone else started for them.

And isn't funny how he listed all the songs that Michael wrote?

Also, what other producer puts his voice at the end of the artist's album? Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad....there's Quincy's voice. What's all that about? Oh, I know!! He wants to make sure EVERYONE knows he worked on the album! He wants that fame, adulation and money. Everything that he says is too much for Michael, are all the things that he wants for himself as well. Why else would he make sure his voice is tacked on at the end of each album?

:lol: hehehehehe...sry...didn't mean to laugh. well...yes i did. i mean..i might as well enjoy this quote...i might as well fully enjoy the ones that i agree with, cus i know there are those who are gunna come on here and disagree with me... and disagree with this quote.

and, little girl...i agree with ur post number 15.

 

[AllForMJ]

:lol:

He makes me sooooo mad sometimes I could just scream!

When Michael is going through some drama, Quincy distances himself. When things are looking up, Quincy reels himself in. It's just so irritating.

And I'm sorry, Quincy, but this stuff you said below is like taking two steps forward, three steps back and then one step forward, Bru!

If you believe that you deserve all that money and adulation, that’s a problem. If you believe you don’t deserve it, that’s also a problem. And if you don’t understand this, you’re in trouble.

Where is the damn outlet?!

Oh, I know where it is. If you believe that YOU deserve all that money and adulation, then it's all good, huh? Yeahhhh, there's the outlet.

 

[144000]

when one talks of being humble but is not humble, the repercussions can go a long way. we may or may not know who samm brown is...but i looked him up, because i loved the song that MICHAEL sang. we know who quincy jones is, cus i loved the songs that MICHAEL sang. i wanted to know what kind of harpsichord that was in 'i wanna be where you are' cus MICHAEL was singing lead on that song. i wanted to know how they trained that monkey in 'monkey business' cus MICHAEL sang and wrote that song. the spiritual centeredness...the quiet humble spiritual centeredness that is in Michael Jackson, is responsible for me being captured by everything from the slamming door in 'in the closet' to the slamming door in 'thriller'. that's magic. so...quincy, my man...stay humble, like the slamming doors. and i'll notice you, without your help. But, the magic centers around MJ....not Samm Brown....but MJ.

it's MJ that makes me wanna spend fifteen dollars on a cd. no one else.

 

[ennazus]

I personally don't feel that Q was dissing MJ.

I think he felt really bad for MJ because he said "how difficult it is to watch what’s going on with him now." - I guess it is referring to all the stuffs MJ went through because of his fame - in fact, after Thriller, no one except for the exceptional few enjoyed the fame MJ had.

Although I have no idea what "And you can’t help but wonder if things happened too fast, or does success of this magnitude become emotionally unmanageable?" refers to, but I suppose it explains MJ's reclusive behaviour shortly after Thriller came out.

Maybe it is just me, who interpret this manner. Cos I felt tt the paragraph which start with "All I know is..." all the way to the end, is speakin generally about others.

 

[arXter]

yeah, it's a shame when i read it but Bruce Swedien has also expressed a few bursts of dissatisfaction with Michael on a couple of professional audio discussion boards (but claimed he still loved him). he also tagged Quincy in on it but never disclosed what it was about. doesn't matter though, MJ doesn't exactly need Swedien nor Quincy professionally i don't think.

 

[Marni]

I personally don't feel that Q was dissing MJ.

I think he felt really bad for MJ because he said "how difficult it is to watch what’s going on with him now." - I guess it is referring to all the stuffs MJ went through because of his fame - in fact, after Thriller, no one except for the exceptional few enjoyed the fame MJ had.

Although I have no idea what "And you can’t help but wonder if things happened too fast, or does success of this magnitude become emotionally unmanageable?" refers to, but I suppose it explains MJ's reclusive behaviour shortly after Thriller came out.

Maybe it is just me, who interpret this manner. Cos I felt tt the paragraph which start with "All I know is..." all the way to the end, is speakin generally about others.

Good post. Thank you :yes:

 

[144000]

the thing is, i know of nobody who would brush off those quincy jones comments if they were directed at them....except for MJ....but..MJ is probably that kind of person, tho he said he's been hurt by 'some'. so...

but i'm sure that if those comments were directed at anyone else..anyone else would be offended, and act as if they were offended. i know i would.

and i have yet to see anybody who doesn't act out as if they are sensitive to negative comments directed at them, or indirectly directed at them.

but with MJ...there are people that are so used to seeing him brush off the commentary with rhinocerous skin, that they feel that it is open season with him, and that it can't possibly hurt him. and that's just wrong.

 

[czechstar]

If Quincy had the ability or skill to write a song 10% as good as Billie Jean or had just 5% of Michael's performing skills, I'd be interested in listening to his opinions.

He is grossly overrated and his contribution to Thriller even more so. Just take a listen to the demos if you needed any proof.

 

[Marni]

the thing is, i know of nobody who would brush off those quincy jones comments if they were directed at them....except for MJ....but..MJ is probably that kind of person, tho he said he's been hurt by 'some'. so...

but i'm sure that if those comments were directed at anyone else..anyone else would be offended, and act as if they were offended. i know i would.

and i have yet to see anybody who doesn't act out as if they are sensitive to negative comments directed at them, or indirectly directed at them.

but with MJ...there are people that are so used to seeing him brush off the commentary with rhinocerous skin, that they feel that it is open season with him, and that it can't possibly hurt him. and that's just wrong.

I'm certainly not brushing off the comments. I am trying to read through it and determine if there was actually anything hurtful there at all, and my opinion is that there isn't and I don't think he was specifically talking about MJ because he's said similar things in regards to other artists before. I also think that what was said here, if it was specifically directed at MJ isn't actually hurtful at all. It's like ennazus said, maybe it was about the reclusiveness, rather than about ego or anything else.

If Quincy had the ability or skill to write a song 10% as good as Billie Jean or had just 5% of Michael's performing skills, I'd be interested in listening to his opinions.

He is grossly overrated and his contribution to Thriller even more so. Just take a listen to the demos if you needed any proof.

Erm, which demo's are you talking about?

 

[Datsymay]

Quincy's quote from the December 2007 issue of EBONY:

Nearly every day, Jones sees the impact of the project across the globe. "Look, I've been around the world at least three times this year--Angkor Wat, Vietnam, Seoul, Rwanda, Cairo, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Moscow--and, man, you cannot tell what city your are in because at 12 o'clock, they start kickin' that music, and you will hear 'Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' or 'Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough' or 'Billie Jean.' It blows my mind, like it was 25 years ago. I've said it before: The '80s were ours!"

Wow!!! Quincy sounds sooooooo humble!

Doesn't he sound humble you guys? Come on. Let's pretend these are the words of someone that's rrrrrreeeeaaaalllllyyyyy humble.

OMG. One can't sound anymore humble than that!! I mean really!!

Oops! Wait a minute. That doesn't sound like the words of someone that is humble. THAT sounds like the words of someone that is BIG-HEADED!! THAT sounds like words that would come from someone that would turn their back on the other person that makes up the word "ours" when they're going through problems that someone else started for them.

And isn't funny how he listed all the songs that Michael wrote?

Also, what other producer puts his voice at the end of the artist's album? Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad....there's Quincy's voice. What's all that about? Oh, I know!! He wants to make sure EVERYONE knows he worked on the albums! He wants that fame, adulation and money. Everything that he says is too much for Michael, are all the things that he wants for himself. Why else would he make sure his voice is tacked on at the end of each album?

I've bought a lot of music over the years...music by different artists...and I have never heard the voice of a producer talking at the end of an album until Quincy did it. Why couldn't he just produce the album and leave it at that?

Them conversation at the end of the albums really annoys me. I hardly play them because of it. Why did he do that? He could have put on another 2 songs instead. There was no interview by MJ on it yet he wrote some of the songs. MJ should have never allowed it, he spoiled the albums.

 

[144000]

I'm certainly not brushing off the comments. I am trying to read through it and determine if there was actually anything hurtful there at all, and my opinion is that there isn't and I don't think he was specifically talking about MJ because he's said similar things in regards to other artists before. I also think that what was said here, if it was specifically directed at MJ isn't actually hurtful at all. It's like ennazus said, maybe it was about the reclusiveness, rather than about ego or anything else.

but you are able to do this because the comments are not directed at you. what i'm trying to find out is, if the subject were you, how would you react? Quincy Jones didn't use the word 'reclusive'. he was implying a lack of spiritual centeredness. plus he mentioned Michael's name specifically. it would be easier to understand your analysis, if Jones did what little girl suggested, and skip paragarphs and never mention Michael's name in the first place. then it would be easier to dismiss it as being in reference to artists in general. and, furthermore, why doesn't Jones analyze himself, instead of someone else?

 

[Marni]

but you are able to do this because the comments are not directed at you. what i'm trying to find out is, if the subject were you, how would you react? Quincy Jones didn't use the word 'reclusive'. he was implying a lack of spiritual centeredness. plus he mentioned Michael's name specifically. it would be easier to understand your analysis, if Jones did what little girl suggested, and skip paragarphs and never mention Michael's name in the first place. then it would be easier to dismiss it as being in reference to artists in general. and, furthermore, why doesn't Jones analyze himself, instead of someone else?

If you read his book, he indeed does. :yes:

I stick by my previous post.