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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Its called getting off ur azz and being creative. Thats why Mj is as great as he is, cuz he NEVER thought that "oh well everything has been done"...when it comes to the arts,there is ALWAYS something new and different to be done. It just takes some work. The fact that todays talent has that mentality (and i think our generation in general)...is whats wrong with our industry.

SOrry but I gotta say, Justin Chris and all of them are AVERAGE. And thats not belittling lol...its the truth lol If they were original they'd be on the path to being GREAT.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Substance?
Substance you say? Man, NONE of your comments hold any substance. You hurl insults at everybody in the recording industry, especially today's young generation. You say Chris Brown isn't "original". That may be true, but how can you be original these days when everything has already been done. Calling Chris Brown a "sloppy ass" dancer may be your opinion, but it's also an insult. I bet dude can sing/dance circles around your ass. You don't have to like CB, Usher, Justin, Will.I.Am or any of today's young musician's, but you don't have to belittle them either.
The world and everything in it DOESN'T revolve around Michael Jackson. And for the record, I'm 27 years old, I don't need to grow up.



Hollaback.

I don't care if you're 57, you're acting like you're 5. You haven't added anything of value to this conversation. I don't insult anybody. It's called stating your opinion on their artistic ability, which last time I checked, was allowed on this forum. I never insult anybody on a personal basis. I just make judgements on their artistry. There are many artists who I feel are extremely talented. I talk about them when they come up. But considering we are on a Michael Jackson discussion forum, of course, you're going to see me talk most about him. You're the only one hurling personal attacks around here and I'm sorry to say, but while everyone else is actually trying to make points, all your doing is going on and on about how I need to get off of Michael's jock and how I should stop sounding my opinion on people's artistic merit. I'm not an entertainer, I don't fancy myself one and I'm not in the music industry. So saying Chris Brown, Usher or Justin Timberlake can dance and sing circles "around my ass" really means absolutely nothing. You have to compare them to those who actually are talented in these areas and see how they measure up. That is, after all, how you qualify a person's level of ability. They always say everything has been done, they were saying that 20, 30, 40 years ago, but somehow, someone new always came along and innovated and originated and improved. It's no excuse to say everything's been done, because it hasn't. These acts just don't have the talent to do it, that's all. When you actually have some sound arguments, get back to me, won't you?
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

I don't care if you're 57, you're acting like you're 5. You haven't added anything of value to this conversation. I don't insult anybody. It's called stating your opinion on their artistic ability, which last time I checked, was allowed on this forum. I never insult anybody on a personal basis. I just make judgements on their artistry. There are many artists who I feel are extremely talented. I talk about them when they come up. But considering we are on a Michael Jackson discussion forum, of course, you're going to see me talk most about him. You're the only one hurling personal attacks around here and I'm sorry to say, but while everyone else is actually trying to make points, all your doing is going on and on about how I need to get off of Michael's jock and how I should stop sounding my opinion on people's artistic merit. I'm not an entertainer, I don't fancy myself one and I'm not in the music industry. So saying Chris Brown, Usher or Justin Timberlake can dance and sing circles "around my ass" really means absolutely nothing. You have to compare them to those who actually are talented in these areas and see how they measure up. That is, after all, how you qualify a person's level of ability. They always say everything has been done, they were saying that 20, 30, 40 years ago, but somehow, someone new always came along and innovated and originated and improved. It's no excuse to say everything's been done, because it hasn't. These acts just don't have the talent to do it, that's all. When you actually have some sound arguments, get back to me, won't you?

I'm acting like I'm 5 years old because I don't agree with you?
Please.
Maybe I shouldn't have been so blunt with my statement earlier, but I've never called you a name or insulted you. I just told you to get off Michael's nuts, which you should. Name one artist who you feel is extremely talented, because it's VERY easy to parade around on MJ fan boards claiming that everybody sucks. I've seen it done a million times.
I can respect a fan who doesn't suck up to Michael every chance they get, instead of one who acts like he's the god of music (cuz he ain't). Yes, MJ is the true King of Pop and the best talent I've ever seen, but I think it's downright disrespectful to dismiss every single last musician whose come on the scene within the last 15-20 years.
ALOT of MJ fans are stuck in a bubble. They're not willing to look beyond the 80's. They say nobody is on MJ's level, which is true, but that doesn't necessarily mean everybody else is crap. If that's the case, Michael should've retired in 1989. Thank god he isn't as close minded as some of his die hard fans.
Chris Brown, Usher, Justin, Will.I.Am and Ne-Yo are all Jackson disciples. You shouldn't be threatened by them. Insecurity is what you're suffering from when you start bad mouthing artist's who are just paying tribute to him. And you keep saying that nobody these days is "original", which is a load of bullsh!t. Open your eyes and your ears, 'cause there are great musician's/dancer's all around you. Just because they're not of Jackson's caliber doesn't make them inferior.


Hollaback.
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Name artists I'm impressed with? Okay. Celine Dion, Stevie Wonder, Paul Simon, Prince, Bobby Brown, Diana Ross, Sam Cooke, Elton John, Barbra Streisand, Steve Perry, Donna Summer, Pat Benatar, Patty LaBelle, Lionel Richie, Mick Jagger, Annie Lennox, Frankie Lymon, James Brown, Bobby Darren, Billy Joel, Frank Sinatra, on and on and on. I could think of nine million others if I wanted to really sit down and go through my collection

I'm not insecure and you are making a drastic assumption in stating that I am as though it were fact. None of the artists mentioned in this thread are original, I never said everybody today lacks orginality. You're the one that said nothing new can be done. I like some artists today, just not many, because I think the standard has really dropped. I'm just simply truly unimpressed with these acts. Ne-Yo is somewhat talented, the most out of all the ones you mentioned I would say, because he at least writes decent songs. The others are so dime a dozen, its not even worth considering them as serious.

That's all.
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

I guess no one listens to my posts :p

I can respect a fan who doesn't suck up to Michael every chance they get, instead of one who acts like he's the god of music (cuz he ain't).

This is a Michael Jackson board. What, do you respect fans that come on here and diss him? I mean what do you expect??? Come to a fan board, you expect praises of that artist. MJ is no exception. geez. Of COURSE people are gonna praise Michael Jackson cuz this is a MJ FAN BOARD. And just curious but does "not sucking up" mean to nag on MJ's every move and act as his personal, financial, creative, musical, and spiritual adviser by "keeping it real", when we know nothing about the man or his decisions and place him on some kinda impossible pedestal? Cuz I aint feeling that. LOL And on a fan board, people WILL act like he's the GOD OF MUSIC. Cuz this is a fan board. On a Prince board, it'll be the same way LOL

Yes, MJ is the true King of Pop and the best talent I've ever seen, but I think it's downright disrespectful to dismiss every single last musician whose come on the scene within the last 15-20 years.
I don't thing wannabe has done that at all. He's critiqued fairly the value of some of the recent artists...and I have all of Justin Timberlake's albums as well as Usher's...but I'm not gonna lie to myself and say that their anything special :lol: They make catchy songs, but they aren't prodigies. I mean, our generation has DEFINITELY been sensitized to CRAP music, we have lowered our standards cuz it's what we've been fed. Unfortunatly. And compared to Michael Jackson, they ain't ish! LOL And too me, IMO, that's the god's honest truth and I see nothing wrong with that, since this IS a MJ fan board and people generally have the same sentiments lol. And in comparison to MJ...THEY SUCK! :lol: Point blank. Wannabe has said that in the NICESt of terms every time...talking about the bad and the good to their artistry...who ever it is. But it's all opinions at the end of the day. :rolleyes:


ALOT of MJ fans are stuck in a bubble. They're not willing to look beyond the 80's. They say nobody is on MJ's level, which is true, but that doesn't necessarily mean everybody else is crap. If that's the case, Michael should've retired in 1989. Thank god he isn't as close minded as some of his die hard fans.
Why would he retire if everyone else is crap? :lol:
It's not just the 80s..it's MICHAEL JACKSON. Michael was great in the 70s too :lol:

but ANYWAYS, in TODAY's industry (2000's especially)...i'm sorry but most of it IS crap. I'm 20, and I love my old school and stuff...I listen to new school but I know DAMN WELL that old stuff + all of Michael's stuff is farrrrrr superior to ANYTHING that's come out in the last 10 years (with a few exceptions)

IMO of course

Chris Brown, Usher, Justin, Will.I.Am and Ne-Yo are all Jackson disciples.
that language is like YOU are acting like MJ's the GOD of music :lol: Joke lol.

You shouldn't be threatened by them. Insecurity is what you're suffering from when you start bad mouthing artist's who are just paying tribute to him. And you keep saying that nobody these days is "original", which is a load of bullsh!t.
Name me one thing in the last 10 years that's been revolutionary/original and get back to me lol.

Open your eyes and your ears, 'cause there are great musician's/dancer's all around you. Just because they're not of Jackson's caliber doesn't make them inferior.
Yes there are, just not in popular music at this moment in time. Very few of them are. VERY FEW.

Okay. Celine Dion, Stevie Wonder, Paul Simon, Prince, Bobby Brown, Diana Ross, Sam Cooke, Elton John, Barbra Streisand, Steve Perry, Donna Summer, Pat Benatar, Patty LaBelle, Lionel Richie, Mick Jagger, Annie Lennox, Frankie Lymon, James Brown, Bobby Darren, Frank Sinatra, on and on and on.
Goooood list. Whitney? LOL Mariah? No? lol
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

And one more thing. I don't think Michael is some God, and I'm damn sick of fans accusing me of that bull. I don't critisize Michael simply because I see no point in doing so, he get's enough of that from the media and general public, and I don't judge him on issues in his personal life, as I am not a part of it and really have no right to do so. I, nor does anyone here, know the full story or circumstances leading to those chosses he makes in his life and so we have no standing to tell him he is wrong. I choose to focus on the positive, as it far outweighs the negative when it comes to him.

But I hardly think Michael is perfect. I think Michael is a person who is emotionally very damaged and he he has a lot of problems. I've always thought that. You don't think that of someone who is god like. But he's a good person and someone who I look up to at the same time.
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

lol, J5, you summed it up well. Awsome post, as usual. I agree with everything you said. I forgot Whitney and Mariah. They're super talented too. I just couldn't think of EVERYONE off the top of my head, lol.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Name artists I'm impressed with? Okay. Celine Dion, Stevie Wonder, Paul Simon, Prince, Bobby Brown, Diana Ross, Sam Cooke, Elton John, Barbra Streisand, Steve Perry, Donna Summer, Pat Benatar, Patty LaBelle, Lionel Richie, Mick Jagger, Annie Lennox, Frankie Lymon, James Brown, Bobby Darren, Billy Joel, Frank Sinatra, on and on and on. I could think of nine million others if I wanted to really sit down and go through my collection

I'm not insecure and you are making a drastic assumption in stating that I am as though it were fact. None of the artists mentioned in this thread are original, I never said everybody today lacks orginality. You're the one that said nothing new can be done. I like some artists today, just not many, because I think the standard has really dropped. I'm just simply truly unimpressed with these acts. Ne-Yo is somewhat talented, the most out of all the ones you mentioned I would say, because he at least writes decent songs. The others are so dime a dozen, its not even worth considering them as serious.

That's all.

LOL.
EVERYBODY you just listed was hot during the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's. You're an old school fan, of course you wouldn't be interested in this generation of musician's.
I'm wasting my time arguing with you.
I'm just glad Michael is diverse enough to appreciate music from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and the new millenium. And I NEVER said nothing new can be done (where the hell did you get that from?). I just said that almost damn near everything has been done.
I have a challenge for you and J5 (who just basically barged her way into this argument): since you two guys are so hell bent on insisting that all music today is crap, tell me and anybody else reading this thread, how today's young generation can be innovative and "original".
And please, don't back out of this by saying "I'm not an entertainer, it's not my job to come up with ideas!" That's a cop-out.
I'm interested to know what you guys would do to shake up the world, since Usher and Chris Brown are so average and lame, lol.
Take your time.


Hollaback.
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

I don't need to take my time. I already explained to you that I felt today's standards have been lowered to accomidate the preference of quantity over quality. J5 is as entitled to join in on this discussion as anyone. Last time I checked, she was posting in this thread long before you ever came around.

Sue me for having good taste. I listen to almost every form of music, from yesterdays artists, to todays, and I can make the assessment that today's acts just aren't as good. Instead of great singers, or great dancers or great songwriters, you have average singers, who think they can dance and who pretend to co-write their music. Instead of having people who are masterful over one talent, you have a bunch of people who are just okay at a bunch of things. Michael caused that. He came along and was world class in several areas. No one had ever come along who had such high quality talent in so many areas as Michael. So in order to compete, the industry decided to dumb down the standards so they could concieveably offer something similar.

But since you decided to ride my ass and tell me all these things about myself that I apparently am unaware of, I'll give you some artists from the last few years who I think are talented. Angie Stone, Alicia Keys, Jill Scott, Musiq Soulchild, and Michael Bubble. I think they've got talent.

As for what these acts today could do to be more innovative? That's easy. And you DID say everything's been done and that's why they can't come up with anything new. Here's your exact quote, just to refresh your memory.

Substance?
Substance you say? Man, NONE of your comments hold any substance. You hurl insults at everybody in the recording industry, especially today's young generation. You say Chris Brown isn't "original". That may be true, but how can you be original these days when everything has already been done. Calling Chris Brown a "sloppy ass" dancer may be your opinion, but it's also an insult. I bet dude can sing/dance circles around your ass. You don't have to like CB, Usher, Justin, Will.I.Am or any of today's young musician's, but you don't have to belittle them either.
The world and everything in it DOESN'T revolve around Michael Jackson. And for the record, I'm 27 years old, I don't need to grow up.



Hollaback.

They can be innovative by coming up with a unique vocal style, something which hasn't been heard before. They can be innovative by coming up, if they fancy themselves such great dancers, a distinctive and unique way of moving. That doesn't mean new steps, that means putting steps together in a way that hasn't been seen before and which can be associated with them. They can come up with a distinct musical sound, a style which can be accosiated with them, that if you heard on the radio, you would think of them, that would remind you of them, or that you would be able to instantly recognize, within the first few bars, as one of their works. That is, if they could actually write music. They could come up with new visual ideas for music videos and stage performances, set designs, scenarios and atmospheres, on and on and on. A lot hasn't been done. Innovations have been made in all of these areas, but not everything that could be done has been. If that was the case, then new ideas and visionaries sould have stopped showing up about, oh, 2000 years ago. What IS a cop-out is that you would throw such a question at me to come up with how today's acts could be innovative. It shows that you have no arguments to support why they lack innovation or originality other then to say that it's hard. Sure it's hard. But that's what seperates the average from the good and the good from the great. The fact that they can't come up with anything new shows that they lack talent not only as singers, dancers and songwriters, but that they lack the ability to think creatively as well.
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

I don't need to take my time. I already explained to you that I felt today's standards have been lowered to accomidate the preference of quantity over quality. J5 is as entitled to join in on this discussion as anyone. Last time I checked, she was posting in this thread long before you ever came around.

Sue me for having good taste. I listen to almost every form of music, from yesterdays artists, to todays, and I can make the assessment that today's acts just aren't as good. Instead of great singers, or great dancers or great songwriters, you have average singers, who think they can dance and who pretend to co-write their music. Instead of having people who are masterful over one talent, you have a bunch of people who are just okay at a bunch of things. Michael caused that. He came along and was world class in several areas. No one had ever come along who had such high quality talent in so many areas as Michael. So in order to compete, the industry decided to dumb down the standards so they could concieveably offer something similar.

But since you decided to ride my ass and tell me all these things about myself that I apparently am unaware of, I'll give you some artists from the last few years who I think are talented. Angie Stone, Alicia Keys, Jill Scott, Musiq Soulchild, and Michael Bubble. I think they've got talent.

As for what these acts today could do to be more innovative? That's easy. And you DID say everything's been done and that's why they can't come up with anything new. Here's your exact quote, just to refresh your memory.



They can be innovative by coming up with a unique vocal style, something which hasn't been heard before. They can be innovative by coming up, if they fancy themselves such great dancers, a distinctive and unique way of moving. That doesn't mean new steps, that means putting steps together in a way that hasn't been seen before and which can associated with them. They can come up with a distinct musical sound, a style which can be accosiated with them, that if you heard on the radio, you would think of them, that would remind you of them, or that you would be able to instantly recognize, within the first few bars, as one of their works. That is, if they could actually write music. They could come up with new visual ideas for music videos and stage performances, set designs, scenarios and atmospheres, on and on and on. A lot hasn't been done. Innovations have been made in all of these areas, but not everything that could be done has been. If that was the case, then new ideas and visionaries sould have stopped showing up about, oh, 2000 years ago. What IS a cop-out is that you would throw such a question at me to come up with how today's acts could be innovative. It shows that you have no arguments to support why they lack innovation or originality, other then to say that it's hard. The fact that they can't come up with anything new shows a lack talent not only as singers, dancers and songwriters, but that they lack the ability to think creatively.

Dude, you have no argument to support why you THINK they lack innovation and originality. And Usher DOES have a distinct sound, that's how you're able to distinguish him from, say, Justin Timberlake. They don't sound alike.
Look wannabe (lol), Michael Jackson is an artist/visionary that's only gonna come around once every 25-50 years. It's common knowledge that today's youngster's just don't compare to him. But the fact that you and so many other's have to ridicule these kids only shows how immature and childlish you really are.
You get the point, I'm done with you.
Oh, and for future reference don't ever say "ride my ass" again.
That...just doesn't sound right, lol.


Hollaback.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

LOL.
EVERYBODY you just listed was hot during the 50's, 60's, 70's, and 80's. You're an old school fan, of course you wouldn't be interested in this generation of musician's.

Because everyone NOW is pretty much of lesser quality. I'm telling you our generation has been watered down to think this stuff their coming out with is genius. Even the late great James Brown acknowledged that we need someone like MICHAEL to show people what REAL music is. I'm jealous cuz those people who were back in th 50s 60s and 70s and 80s can look back and say "yeah that stuff we listened to back in the day was CLASSIC. Us, on the other hand, as of now, when we get old have to say "yeah man that Britney spears and Justin Timberlake...Sexyback...that ish was the old CLASSICS man. Defined the decade." Uhhh NO. (I've written a MANY satires about that LOL)

I'm just glad Michael is diverse enough to appreciate music from the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's, and the new millenium. And I NEVER said nothing new can be done (where the hell did you get that from?). I just said that almost damn near everything has been done.
And when you SAY that damn near everything has been done, what's your point in saying it, other than giving Chris Brown an excuse for NOT being creative?

I have a challenge for you and J5 (who just basically barged her way into this argument):
gee, I didn't know this was a PRIVATE discussion :rolleyes:

since you two guys are so hell bent on insisting that all music today is crap, tell me and anybody else reading this thread, how today's young generation can be innovative and "original".
If I were a musician/composer/producer then I could tell you :lol: :p But it's not my job to be innovative in that field. However, every generation before this one has found a way. And Michael Jackson himself who's been around forEVER, has ALWAYS found a way to CHANGE THE GAME. If MJ hasn't given up hope in being INNOVATIVE...hell even HE said himself kids today need to create and be innovative instead of mooching off the past...then THEY can find a way! I think thats a real problem in this generation, not just with music, but with everything almost (although this current presidential election is giving me a bit of hope lol). People say "oh everything's been done. We'll just go with the flow"...and nothing is changed.

And please, don't back out of this by saying "I'm not an entertainer, it's not my job to come up with ideas!" That's a cop-out.
How is that a cop-out? It's commonSENSE! :lol: Thats like saying "if you were Dr. House, how would you save that patient! And don't tell me your not a doctor, don't give me that excuse! Cuz that's cop out!" :rolleyes:

And heck, I gave you a challenge. I asked you to name me one thing that has been revolutionary/original in the past ten years. you didn't even answer that.

BTW, Usher sounds like any old R&B artist with a Michael Jackson edge LOL. Usher doesn't sound like Timberlake cuz Timberland wasn't his producer. Since i heard Usher is now working with timberland...better believe Usher will sound like Justin.

And just cus ones voice doesn't sound like another random human being's voice... (like my singing voice probably doesn't sound like yours LOL)...doesn't make them special lol.

Britney doesn't exactly sound like Hilary Duff...but that doesn't make them unique lol
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Oh, and for future reference don't ever say "ride my ass" again.
That...just doesn't sound right, lol.

Why? Does it give you a certain visual which you don't think you should be having? Usually its the people who can find something dirty or get something totally unrelated out of an otherwise innocent statement or act who have some kind of "problem" or issue with themselves.

I'm not childish or immature. I'm simply stating points which you have apparently no ability to argue against. Usher sounds like any typical R&B artist on the scene today. His voice and vocal style sound's like any typical R&B singer's. There is nothing there which would make me think "Usher", except that obviously, like everyone, he has a timbre unique to him. But so does every person on the planet. I wouldn't ever instantly recognize an Usher song or associate his sound with him. Same thing with Justin. They are a product of their producers. Whoever produces their record, that's their sound. It isn't THEIR sound or a sound which makes you think specifically of them. If by ridicule you mean to judge their artistic merit, then maybe no one should ever be allowed to compare people to the standards which have been applied to artists since the dawn of civilization. I've got no problem with these kids on a personal basis, but I am going to compare them to what came before, because that's the standard and it's how you gage ones talent. If we aren't allowed to do that, then nothing can ever be determined as art, and nothing can ever be assigned any kind of value then. You're the one who sounds childish and immature. Unable to address any of my points except to go on and on about how I need to stop belittling everyone, calling me names and accusing me of things which aren't true. I'm not belittling anyone. I'm simply taking part in a discussion about how much legitamacy they have as artists. I never called them any names or attacked them personally.

And if you would read my posts, you would see that I've given MANY reasons for why they lack originality and innovation.
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

off topic but i don't know where to put this comment in.
the 'aooowww' in Mama Africa reminds me of Michael.
:)
 
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Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Hey peeps, Wannabe is just a girl who has a great appreciation for good art - in music. She can see what we can't. Aint that right, Nicole? :lol:

Yall stop the madness. If someone likes Chris Brown, dont diss him around them. We sure dont diss Michael here cuz its a MICHAEL JACKSON forum. duh...so dont expect people to.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Its called getting off ur azz and being creative. Thats why Mj is as great as he is, cuz he NEVER thought that "oh well everything has been done"...when it comes to the arts,there is ALWAYS something new and different to be done. It just takes some work. The fact that todays talent has that mentality (and i think our generation in general)...is whats wrong with our industry.

SOrry but I gotta say, Justin Chris and all of them are AVERAGE. And thats not belittling lol...its the truth lol If they were original they'd be on the path to being GREAT.

I totally agree with everything you've said here. "Artists" are being very lazy nowadays.

I mean really, they should just be called karaokee entertainers, because they're not artists--they're not creating any art for the most part.

I don't need to take my time. I already explained to you that I felt today's standards have been lowered to accomidate the preference of quantity over quality. J5 is as entitled to join in on this discussion as anyone. Last time I checked, she was posting in this thread long before you ever came around.

Sue me for having good taste. I listen to almost every form of music, from yesterdays artists, to todays, and I can make the assessment that today's acts just aren't as good. Instead of great singers, or great dancers or great songwriters, you have average singers, who think they can dance and who pretend to co-write their music. Instead of having people who are masterful over one talent, you have a bunch of people who are just okay at a bunch of things. Michael caused that. He came along and was world class in several areas. No one had ever come along who had such high quality talent in so many areas as Michael. So in order to compete, the industry decided to dumb down the standards so they could concieveably offer something similar.

But since you decided to ride my ass and tell me all these things about myself that I apparently am unaware of, I'll give you some artists from the last few years who I think are talented. Angie Stone, Alicia Keys, Jill Scott, Musiq Soulchild, and Michael Bubble. I think they've got talent.

As for what these acts today could do to be more innovative? That's easy. And you DID say everything's been done and that's why they can't come up with anything new. Here's your exact quote, just to refresh your memory.



They can be innovative by coming up with a unique vocal style, something which hasn't been heard before. They can be innovative by coming up, if they fancy themselves such great dancers, a distinctive and unique way of moving. That doesn't mean new steps, that means putting steps together in a way that hasn't been seen before and which can be associated with them. They can come up with a distinct musical sound, a style which can be accosiated with them, that if you heard on the radio, you would think of them, that would remind you of them, or that you would be able to instantly recognize, within the first few bars, as one of their works. That is, if they could actually write music. They could come up with new visual ideas for music videos and stage performances, set designs, scenarios and atmospheres, on and on and on. A lot hasn't been done. Innovations have been made in all of these areas, but not everything that could be done has been. If that was the case, then new ideas and visionaries sould have stopped showing up about, oh, 2000 years ago. What IS a cop-out is that you would throw such a question at me to come up with how today's acts could be innovative. It shows that you have no arguments to support why they lack innovation or originality other then to say that it's hard. Sure it's hard. But that's what seperates the average from the good and the good from the great. The fact that they can't come up with anything new shows that they lack talent not only as singers, dancers and songwriters, but that they lack the ability to think creatively as well.

I agree with the things you've said here, but...

And one more thing. I don't think Michael is some God, and I'm damn sick of fans accusing me of that bull. I don't critisize Michael simply because I see no point in doing so, he get's enough of that from the media and general public, and I don't judge him on issues in his personal life, as I am not a part of it and really have no right to do so. I, nor does anyone here, know the full story or circumstances leading to those chosses he makes in his life and so we have no standing to tell him he is wrong. I choose to focus on the positive, as it far outweighs the negative when it comes to him.

But I hardly think Michael is perfect. I think Michael is a person who is emotionally very damaged and he he has a lot of problems. I've always thought that. You don't think that of someone who is god like. But he's a good person and someone who I look up to at the same time.

You look up to a supposedly "emotionally damaged" person who is somehow at the same time a "good person"? wtf...


By the way, this thread is hilarious.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

and what's the purpose for the video (Chris Brown)?
just wondering.....
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

I think MJ has emotional problems...as do everyone to asome degree. He's had his fair share of emotional set backs...that's not to say he's crazy or something.

And if someone likes Chris Brown, don't diss him around them? It's a public forum on the internet...u can't really assess if they're 'around" or not...lol. Besides it's only opinions.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

what do you mean by the above post J5? The previous sentences....
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Im saying Mj is human and has problems like every person on this planet (even though his problems are elevated to some degree cuz of his fame)...doesnt mean he's crazy. Hes like any one else and should be looked up to.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

Im saying Mj is human and has problems like every person on this planet (even though his problems are elevated to some degree cuz of his fame)...doesnt mean he's crazy. Hes like any one else and should be looked up to.
OK, thanks for claryfing (sp.)this:)
yeah, agree... but I didn't know what your statement had to do with the Chris Brown's video;)
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

I totally agree with everything you've said here. "Artists" are being very lazy nowadays.

I mean really, they should just be called karaokee entertainers, because they're not artists--they're not creating any art for the most part.



I agree with the things you've said here, but...



You look up to a supposedly "emotionally damaged" person who is somehow at the same time a "good person"? wtf...


By the way, this thread is hilarious.

I said that becaue Michael isn't perfect and I think he is a hurt person, that's what I meant by using the word damaged. I think he's had a lot of pain in his life and it's affected him. It wasn't meant as an insult, it was simply a statement to show that I don't think of him as some perfect being but as a person with fault's and weaknesses, but someone who also has a very good heart, is one of the, if not THE, most genuinely good people I've ever seen and I do look up to him and his ability to hold strong to his ideas despite being under constant attack for doing so and despite the persistent attempts to force him in to conformity.
 
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^ they want you to catch on to the similarities - i'm baffled as to how some of you don't get that it's meant to be a tribute.
 
^ they want you to catch on to the similarities - i'm baffled as to how some of you don't get that it's meant to be a tribute.

They know it's a tribute.
They just wanna talk sh!t. I guess that's what the internet's for these days.



Hollaback.
 
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They know it's a tribute.
They just wanna talk sh!t. I guess that's what the internet's for these days.



Hollaback.

i see, and when you get these tributes

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no one has any problem LOL

people should either recognise the admiration Michael is being shown to the masses, or simply ignore it. no harm done either way.
 
Re: TOTAL SCREAM RIPOFF (tribute?) chris brown, t-pain, lil mama

It simply proves to me, how badly the industry could use Michael's talents right now.

The influence from Michael Jackson, on today's talent, is unmistakable. When Mr. Jackson is back doing his moves, when the people see him doing the moves that these younger artists are emulating ... it will be obvious who the original is. Michael Jackson's influence on yesterday, today & tomorrow, will not go unnoticed.
Something tells me that Chris didn't intend to merely rip off a concept, instead he was being influenced by a master and paying tribute to that master ... but that is my opinion ;)
i just saw this and i fully agree with you.

i'm not really into Brown but it's a shame you see so many (defensive?) MJ fans ripping on a fellow young, successful, outspoken fan who is actually helping to propel his name, in a rare positive light, to such a big crowd that will ultimately be deciding on whether or not to buy Mike's new material.

i know the guy's only 18 but even if he continues such explicit, albeit inauthentic, influence then so what? it's not like people will look at him and go "hmmm who is Michael Jackson? naa this guy is the real ****". and i'm sure he wouldn't want that either.
 
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