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i dont understand why some fans here are being so negative towards the situation.
only a couple of days ago an insider told CNN that michael was gonna get a loan and save neverland from being auctioned. now just wait and see what happens instead of creating drama out of nowhere. i see some "fans" even saying (in many threads) that its not even known whether michael wants to keep neverland or not :lol: that just made me laugh :lol:
would he pay taxes and so much money for this and that all these years that hes not even been living there if he wanted to get rid of it ? :huh: everything is known if u turn on ur brain cells and put ur brain to work
 
Roxanne said:
only a couple of days ago an insider told CNN that michael was gonna get a loan and save neverland from being auctioned.
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How are we so sure Michael needs to take a loan to save Neverland from being auctioned. Why wouldn't Michael be able to pay the £12.5 million with his own money, as he still earns huge amounts of money from his publishing companies.

Also if Michael's financial situation was as bad as the media and FOX News's Roger Friedman say it is, then after almost a decade of Michael supposedly being broke his credit rating would be so bad, that no bank would risk giving Michael loans to pay off loans. This would be irresponsible lending by any bank, as it would be obvious that Michael would barely be able to make the minimum monthly payments on a new loan to pay off a loan.

I think this whole loan and Fortress deal issue isn't being reported accurately by the media. Sure this recent story appears to be 100% true, but who have no idea why Michael hasn't paid Fortess. But I don't think things are as bad for Michael as the media wishes they were.
 
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Agree. Anyone who put their brain into work will see that MJ WANTS TO KEEP NEVERLAND, unless that particular person doesn't have brain cells?! :huh:
(I didn't know he paid the taxes before this, sorry for my lack of info)
I pray that Michael will sort things out and return Neverland back to its glory day.
 
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benscarr said:
How are we so sure Michael needs to take a loan to save Neverland from being auctioned. Why wouldn't Michael be able to pay the £12.5 million with his own money, as he still earns huge amounts of money from his publishing companies.

Also if Michael's financial situation was as bad as the media and FOX News's Roger Friedman say it is, then after almost a decade of Michael supposedly being broke his credit rating would be so bad, that no bank would risk giving Michael loans to pay off loans. This would be irresponsible lending by any bank, as it would be obvious that Michael would barely be able to make the minimum monthly payments on a new loan to pay off a loan.

I think this whole loan and Fortress deal issue isn't being reported accurately by the media. Sure this recent story appears to be 100% true, but who have no idea why Michael hasn't paid Fortess. But I don't think things are as bad for Michael as the media wishes they were.
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the story about michael being broke thats been going around forever is absolutely false. hes sid himself many times in the past few years that hes in excellent financial situation. i dont know whether he gets a loan to pay for neverland or pay from his own money and its none of my business anyway. the amount of money is huge so maybe he doesnt have $25 million in cash right now and thats why he wants to get a loan. no biggie really. even the billionaires get loans from time to time. doesnt mean they dont have the money.
 
benscarr said:
How are we so sure Michael needs to take a loan to save Neverland from being auctioned. Why wouldn't Michael be able to pay the £12.5 million with his own money, as he still earns huge amounts of money from his publishing companies.

Also if Michael's financial situation was as bad as the media and FOX News's Roger Friedman say it is, then after almost a decade of Michael supposedly being broke his credit rating would be so bad, that no bank would risk giving Michael loans to pay off loans. This would be irresponsible lending by any bank, as it would be obvious that Michael would barely be able to make the minimum monthly payments on a new loan to pay off a loan.

I think this whole loan and Fortress deal issue isn't being reported accurately by the media. Sure this recent story appears to be 100% true, but who have no idea why Michael hasn't paid Fortess. But I don't think things are as bad for Michael as the media wishes they were.
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The media deliberately distorted the $300million loan to make MJ look wreckless and out of control They have an agenda. It hasn't worked but they are still trying. Who knows if they are not trying to make it hard for MJ to deal with the bank. They are also trying to make it difficult for him to have any earnings what so ever. I have never known it possible for one man to be so persecuted. It is unbelievable.
I have always contended that that large loan, was not a personal loan but one made on behalf of the company. Of course it would have MJ's signiture on it as well as Sony's. I makes sense therefore that the Sony asset was used as collateral and also that Sony was part of the refinancing.
What the media has reported and doesn't make any sense is that Sony bailed MJ out of his dilema. Why would sony have an interest in MJ's private financing I will never know.
 
I believe the main purpose of those reports over the year's is to affect Michael's credit standing. But once Michael can prove otherwise, he will be all right.

Personally, I am just waiting for the day when it is no longer news - all over msn and yahoo. Sigh.

People need to keep our hands out of Michael's pocket!!!!
 
Hoofmark said:
It's all dirty and nasty that's going on. But don't blame the media for running with the story. It's Michaels own fault that he let it come this far. It's not like the story is made up, there are legal papers and it's a real situation.

Unless something is done FAST, Neverland WILL be auctioned on March 19. That IS a fact, not fiction. And it's big news for tabloids. I really don't think, from their twisted point of view, you can blame them for jumping to it. It's sensational and that's their business.

Of course it's hard to go from one disaster to another in Michaelland, but a lot of it is really by his own doing, or not doing anything for that matter.
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I have to disagree with you. Sorry!

These "Michael Jackson Is Losing EVERYTHING" stories have lost their luster.

The media may continue to report these types of stories, but in my opinion, "regular" folks have lost interest. They have lost interest because the media has been reporting this SAME story for so many years and NOTHING has happened.

It's big news for tabloids, SO WHAT! Everything is big news for the tabloids and the MAJORITY of the time they end up with egg on their faces. LOL!
 
Why wouldn't Michael be able to pay the £12.5 million with his own money, as he still earns huge amounts of money from his publishing companies.
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because all the money he makes from sony/atv/mijac goes into a fund that directly pays off the big 250 mill approx loan. thats ongoing for the next 4 years or so or earlier if he makes big repayments..
 
ladyplatinum said:
Nancy Grace is at it again. She has a segment throwing dirt at Michael possibly losing Neverland to auction. Not only is it stupid for her to spotlight it on her show, but the other story she's discussing is this Drew Peterson guy in question about his 3rd wife's death and 4th wife missing.

How does Michael and Neverland compare to this man who possibly murdered more than 1 wife and is presently getting away with it, Nancy Grace?

I don't think she has a clue why she just has to put her foot in her mouth where Michael is concerned.

Is there any such thing as change in the woman?

I'm sure someone else has already mentioned this, maybe. I didn't read everyone's post.

I just happened to tune into her show just at the moment when she was giving the preview of what she's got scheduled to talk about on her show.

It is really sad how she can't leave well enough alone. She has to be in it. She keeps talking about his spending SPREES.

Oh yeah, don't let me forget Jane Velez's big mouth telling her stories about this.

I can't believe this guy on there saying that Michael shouldn't have been acquitted and the phone callers are totally ridiculous.

Brian Oxman is the only positive voice there. Again, I'm sorry if this was already discussed earlier.
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Nancy Grace is a nut. NO one takes this woman serious. She was on the view and they were looking at her stupid. Callers are told what to say. As for the guy saying Michael should not have been acquitted, that is HIS view. People have moved on and no one cares what that guy think. People know Nancy is full of it and people are not going to dwell on that old case. If Nancy want to keep it alive, that is her @$$ and no one else. MICHAEL IS FREE, MICHAEL IS MAKING MUSIC, MICHAEL IS ON THE CHARTS WITH THRILLER 25 AND BROKE RECORDS WITH IT, MICHAEL IS IN DEMAND TO TOUR, MICHAEL WAS IN DEMAND TO BE ON THE GRAMMYS AND BET AND PEOPLE WERE DISAPPOINTED THAT HE DID NOT ATTEND, ETC. Now if this does not show you that people do not care about what they stupid man on Nancy Grace think, why should any of you (and Nancy Grace is viewed as a idoit by all CREDIABLE people in news). Nancy was willing to send the Duke Lacrosse player to jail and think they were guilty even after the DA was proven to have lied on the boys, so what do you think they will have about Michael.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
because all the money he makes from sony/atv/mijac goes into a fund that directly pays off the big 250 mill approx loan. thats ongoing for the next 4 years or so or earlier if he makes big repayments..
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That is Rogers truth, not Michael's, That large loan was not Michaels. it was taken out by Sony/atv. That is why Sony/atv is paying it back. It is folly to think that Sony is helping MJ to pay off private loans.:(
 
ladyplatinum said:
Nancy Grace is at it again. She has a segment throwing dirt at Michael possibly losing Neverland to auction. Not only is it stupid for her to spotlight it on her show, but the other story she's discussing is this Drew Peterson guy in question about his 3rd wife's death and 4th wife missing.

How does Michael and Neverland compare to this man who possibly murdered more than 1 wife and is presently getting away with it, Nancy Grace?

I don't think she has a clue why she just has to put her foot in her mouth where Michael is concerned.

Is there any such thing as change in the woman?

I'm sure someone else has already mentioned this, maybe. I didn't read everyone's post.

I just happened to tune into her show just at the moment when she was giving the preview of what she's got scheduled to talk about on her show.

It is really sad how she can't leave well enough alone. She has to be in it. She keeps talking about his spending SPREES.

Oh yeah, don't let me forget Jane Velez's big mouth telling her stories about this.

I can't believe this guy on there saying that Michael shouldn't have been acquitted and the phone callers are totally ridiculous.

Brian Oxman is the only positive voice there. Again, I'm sorry if this was already discussed earlier.
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Big Apple2 said:
I have to disagree with you. Sorry!

These "Michael Jackson Is Losing EVERYTHING" stories have lost their luster.

The media may continue to report these types of stories, but in my opinion, "regular" folks have lost interest. They have lost interest because the media has been reporting this SAME story for so many years and NOTHING has happened.

It's big news for tabloids, SO WHAT! Everything is big news for the tabloids and the MAJORITY of the time they end up with egg on their faces. LOL!
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Exactly. It does not faze me no more.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
because all the money he makes from sony/atv/mijac goes into a fund that directly pays off the big 250 mill approx loan. thats ongoing for the next 4 years or so or earlier if he makes big repayments..
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I don't believe that anybody knows for a FACT that the deal is still the same as it orginally was.

These types of deals are changed from time to time. If he made a significant impact on his loan payments last year, he could have very easily changed the details of the deal.

This is 2008, the previous deal could be completely different now.
 
Big Apple2 said:
I don't believe that anybody knows for a FACT that the deal is still the same as it orginally was.

These types of deals are changed from time to time. If he made a significant impact on his loan payments last year, he could have very easily changed the details of the deal.

This is 2008, the previous deal could be completely different now.
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The only person that has ever said that Mj owed that money was RF.
 
Can someone just make a post with bullet points saying whats happened in this situation so far. 25 pages is alot to get through, and I don't have alot of knowledge when it comes to finances or loans or anything like that, so it would help alot!

Tyyy
 
Datsymay said:
The only person that has ever said that Mj owed that money was RF.
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Exactly! And "some" folks cling to those words like they come straight out of the Bible. LOL!

Unless, a person has sat with ALL of Michael's financial papers before them, they don't know what the heck is going on.

There is a "snippet" of information here and there, but SNIPPETS of information do not tell the entire story.

And if you notice, they keep MiJac Publishing COMPLETELY out of any MJ related financial discussions. LOL! Like it doesn't even exist and isn't "probably" making bucket loads of money, all by it's self.
 
Big Apple2 said:
Exactly! And "some" folks cling to those words like they come straight out of the Bible. LOL!

Unless, a person has sat with ALL of Michael's financial papers before them, they don't know what the heck is going on.

There is a "snippet" of information here and there, but SNIPPETS of information do not tell the entire story.

And if you notice, they keep MiJac Publishing COMPLETELY out of any MJ related financial discussions. LOL! Like it doesn't even exist and isn't "probably" making bucket loads of money, all by it's self.
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It is all intended to deceive and to belittle. MJ said in his Jessie. Jackson interview that he is not broke. You are not broke when you are the head of 2 major music company. Even the wicked witch Diane Dimmond say that mj is asset rich. Well asset rich is all you need to be. Cash is for poor people. Asset is what rich people deal with.. Those assets come in terms of paintings, jewelry, investments, stocks shares and government bonds as well as property.
MJ as all of those so he is not broke and RF knows that.
The large loan made by Fortress is a sony/atv loan to buy more catalogues. MJ has to sign it because he is part of the executive body. It is that loan that Friedface has been baggering on about, the fool. That is why it is the company that is paying it back and not Mj, because it was a company loan. Sony has no business in MJ private financial affairs. Don't let friedface fool you.
 
my mom told that Michael Jackson say that he never what to return to neverland cause what they did to his house when the police what in his house and did bad things to his house so that's what my mom say to me that he never will retrun to neverland cause what the police did to Michael jackson house :cry:
 
rockstar said:
my mom told that Michael Jackson say that he never what to return to neverland cause what they did to his house when the police what in his house and did bad things to his house so that's what my mom say to me that he never will retrun to neverland cause what the police did to Michael jackson house :cry:
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oh, poor thing... don't worry...
I'm sure he'll back there when he is ready...
is his Neverland... and he will forever be Peter Pan:)
 
thanks :flowers:

my dream is going to neverland and met him too
i hope my dreams come trun someday i hope so :cry:
 
Actually, that so called loan that MJ was supposed to owe never came up in court did it? Sneddon made every effort to show that MJ was broke and read out MJ's finances, yet that LOAN did not come up in court. Why would Sneddon ignore that loan when that would be all they needed to prove that MJ was in debt?
 
Here are the latest updates from The Michael Jackson Addicts.


CAN FORECLOSURE OF NEVERLAND BE AVOIDED?

Michael Jackson will avoid foreclosure on his Neverland Valley Ranch property with a new loan, a Jackson insider told CNN Wednesday.

Documents had shown that the Neverland Valley Ranch in Los Olivos, California, is scheduled for a public auction on March 19, 2008 at Santa Barbara's downtown courthouse. But the Jackson source said that won't happen:

"Michael Jackson's ranch is not going to be auctioned off at the courthouse. The financing is all being worked out.
There are plenty of lenders willing to work with him. The real estate market is very bad right now and Jackson is being affected just like many other Americans."

A real estate source inside Santa Barbara County said the trustees filing is only the first step in a long process that could drag on for months. The real estate source said other options are available to Jackson, including selling the ranch directly to another party or making a payment on his $24.5 million Neverland debt that would satisfy the trustee.

The recorder's Web site also reveals there was a release of lien on Jackson on February 4, showing he paid off all or part of delinquent taxes to the state of California.
"It seems unlikely that someone would pay off back taxes, only to let the ranch go up for auction a few weeks later," said the real estate source.
 
cinderella said:
oh, poor thing... don't worry...
I'm sure he'll back there when he is ready...
is his Neverland... and he will forever be Peter Pan:)
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I agree!


Lets not forget although the trail is over, its only been 2 years and the time has flown by so quickly, and the pain is still fresh. Michael went through so much it will be with him forever... But it will get better in time.
 
Datsmay it did actually come up in court..

I don't think anyone is trying to say the loans never did exhist, we've known about them for a long time now. But with one story, many false ones will come from it. That is where the contraversy is.

Yes we all would love Michael to keep Neverland, he would love to keep Neverland. I and most of us hope he does.. But in the end of the day, it is a property and nothing more.. I know what it stands for, I know how much it means to Michael, but Michael will be OK no matter what happens. He all ready faced the hardest thing he could possibly face. He past it, now something like this Michael would be able to move on. (I would not want him to have to do that) but he could. we could as well.

He strong... Don't forget that
 
KOPV said:
Datsmay it did actually come up in court..

I don't think anyone is trying to say the loans never did exhist, we've known about them for a long time now. But with one story, many false ones will come from it. That is where the contraversy is.

Yes we all would love Michael to keep Neverland, he would love to keep Neverland. I and most of us hope he does.. But in the end of the day, it is a property and nothing more.. I know what it stands for, I know how much it means to Michael, but Michael will be OK no matter what happens. He all ready faced the hardest thing he could possibly face. He past it, now something like this Michael would be able to move on. (I would not want him to have to do that) but he could. we could as well.

He strong... Don't forget that
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Was there any big deal made out of it or was it Sneddon trying to make something out of it cause he got it from thr tabloids? I don't remember itwas the central part of his issues you would thing they would use it but they did not.
 
:pray: i hope that neverland be reopend soon please Michael jackson keep neverland for us
if don't we all will scream for ice cream :lol: come on MJ keep neverland cause someday i'll go there :pray:
 
Snedds*it did not FOCUS on it.. He just mentioned it, as one of many attempts to smear his image.. Like, 'what kind of person does this' type of thing.. Which had nothing to do with the case, but trying to get into the juries mind as "HE'S NOT NORMAL"... He only mentioned it once, (as I remember) from transcripts. but he just past it out there just to get them to hear it..


That guy.. AHH I'm glad he's retired.
 
**singing**

Here's a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note
Don't worry, be happy.
In every life we have some trouble
But when you worry you make it double
Don't worry, be happy.
Don't worry, be happy now.

(Chorus)
Don't worry, be happy. Don't worry, be happy.
Don't worry, be happy. Don't worry, be happy.

Ain't got no place to lay your head
Somebody came and took your bed
Don't worry, be happy.
The landlord say your rent is late
He may have to litigate
Don't worry, be happy.

(Chorus)
(Look at me -- I'm happy. Don't worry, be happy.
Here I give you my phone number. When you worry, call me,
I make you happy. Don't worry, be happy.)

Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style
Ain't got no gal to make you smile
Don't worry, be happy.
'Cause when you worry your face will frown
And that will bring everybody down
Don't worry, be happy.

(Chorus)
(Don't worry, don't worry, don't do it.
Be happy. Put a smile on your face.
Don't bring everybody down.
Don't worry. It will soon pass, whatever it is.
Don't worry, be happy.
I'm not worried, I'm happy...)


Or you might try ...

SMILE though your heart is achin'
smile even though it's breakin'
when there are clouds
in the sky
you'll get by
if
you
just
SMILE ... :D
 
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