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March 24, 2008: MJ News and Mentionings

Datsymay said:
Frank was not very clear in his denial. he said he did not speak to but he left it open for interpretation when he said thaat that was probably 30 years ago.. :)
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Right. It was more like Frank saying, "I could have said that comment but I do not remember" instead of flat out saying that it is a lie.

BTW, regarding yesterday's news thread when a fan posted what the haters over at Inside Edition said about Marlon - Marlon and Jackson are very common names so it is very possible that a person name Marlon Jackson, not specifically Mike's brother who is 10 months older than him, could have worked in that supermarket. However, that show assumed it Marlon of the j5 fame.

Man. There were 8 replies in there and all were raving about Michael. I didn't cut any comments out. They were all there. NOONE who replied said THEY thought Michael was a lousy human being. The one person who said that was trying to get the people who have formed their opinions based on what the media has told them, to listen. You don't approach people who you believe might not agree with you by immediately centering on the thing you differ on. (Well, I know you do although you are learning. lol ) You find some common ground and hope they will shift some of their other thoughts later. Music was the common ground.
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Did I say that you cut anything out? Where did I say that? I am lost with that comment. Raving about MJ - well, I did not know that calling MJ "lousy" was "raving" about MJ. So, I approach people who I believe do not agree with me by focusing on what we differ? Wow, I did not know I even do that. Thanks for saying that, that was very judgemental and nice of you to say. It is great that fans feel they "know" someone based on posts/replies from a message board. :)

Moving on -

Mj gets all the blame for his brothers misfortune and MJ may sit up and pay attention
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Thanks for saying that because I listened to Janet's interview on the Ms Jones show and one of the djs asked her if it was Mike who was "holding it up" regarding the reunion tour. Janet was not trying to say Mike's name but it was very obvious that she was talking about Michael. She was not trying to put the blame on him, but the way that she was saying it made me think that she was implying that MJ is the reason why nothing is going on regarding this reunion tour.

Also, and I want to make it clear that I have nothing but respect for Frank, but I find it a bit unusual that Frank has connections with that ugly bastard Stacy Brown. After the trash that he said about MJ and the family, you would think that Frank would not talk to the very people that trashed the family and Michael.

But DiLeo tells us he never made that statement
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Oh, I forgot that I read that part. LOL. I was so caught up with this part -

it could've been something from 30 years ago, for all I know."
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I thought he was referring to the comment that Satcy Brown lied and said that Frank did. I also think that Stacy knew that Frank did not say that comment and put his name in the article to give it some credibility. Blah..
 
Bee1983 said:
Right.


Did I say that you cut anything out? Where did I say that? I am lost with that comment. Raving about MJ - well, I did not know that calling MJ "lousy" was "raving" about MJ. So, I approach people who I believe do not agree with me by focusing on what we differ?
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I did not understand the article as dissing MJ. As I understood it, the writer was addressing the haters, and metaphorically sticking his tongue out at them, saying, no matter what you want to say about MJ, call him what you will but you cannot deny the fact that he has more talent in his little pinky than any other artist you may want to name., That is how I read it. It was like an 'Up Yours' to the haters. That was how I read the article and understood it.:)
 
elusive moonwalker said:
speaking to bob ? below is what he said seems ppl are not getting what frank said. he denied he said that to brown and brown then says whoops it was actually bob jones that said that quote not frank.
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My point is, why is Frank speaking for Stacy. Just tell the paper he didn't say that to Stacy and let Stacy dig his own way out. It isn't a 'retraction' if Stacy isn't the one retracting.

Maybe Dileo said something like that 30 years ago. That sure sounds like something from 30 years ago and why not. Who knows. I would say who cares except the article tried to spin it like it applies to today.

And it is true that now the paper got to run the whole negative **** about 'the Jacksons' again because they had an excuse.

If Frank had just said he didn't say it it would have put the article in doubt but by saying it wasn't who said it, Stacy said it was Bob, it still gives the article credibility to those who don't follow it that closely. See what I am saying?
 
Frank couldn't have said it 30 years ago because he didn't work for Michael that long ago. And Bob Jones hasn't been in Michael's inner circle for like 5 years or something, so what the hell does he know? I agree with you e_c that Frank shouldn't have even talked to Stacy Brown.
 
Bee1983 said:
Did I say that you cut anything out? Where did I say that? I am lost with that comment. Raving about MJ - well, I did not know that calling MJ "lousy" was "raving" about MJ. So, I approach people who I believe do not agree with me by focusing on what we differ? Wow, I did not know I even do that. Thanks for saying that, that was very judgemental and nice of you to say. It is great that fans feel they "know" someone based on posts/replies from a message board. :)
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You didn't say I cut anything out. I think often people are selective if they show comments and cut out the bad ones. I was pointing out that these were the only comments there and they were all good (and it wasn't a fan board.) That is a very positive thing.

And as to the second part....... you've got to admit your collisions are pretty head on.:lol:
 
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eternitys_child said:
My point is, why is Frank speaking for Stacy. Just tell the paper he didn't say that to Stacy and let Stacy dig his own way out. It isn't a 'retraction' if Stacy isn't the one retracting.

Maybe Dileo said something like that 30 years ago. That sure sounds like something from 30 years ago and why not. Who knows. I would say who cares except the article tried to spin it like it applies to today.

And it is true that now the paper got to run the whole negative **** about 'the Jacksons' again because they had an excuse.

If Frank had just said he didn't say it it would have put the article in doubt but by saying it wasn't who said it, Stacy said it was Bob, it still gives the article credibility to those who don't follow it that closely. See what I am saying?
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I agree here. I smell fish. Frank did not sound angry or outraged. Why call Stacey to tell him he didn't say so. Call him out in the media. Why tuck on the 30 years. It doesn't matter that he didn't know MJ then, what I get from it is that he may have said so long ago but not recently. He gave Stacey a way out instead of calling him out as a down-right liar. I just wonder if he is working on a tell all book with Stacey, and may have said some of these to him as part of his book, but stacey took it out of context. Throwing in Bob Jones was just a cover.
I feel that someone is playing dirty. They want back in with MJ or else they are threatening to hurt him. This is what I am seeing in all of this. MJ could have been very angry with his family at some point in his career as we all do sometimes. I am very angry with mine right now. He may have expressed his feelings to Frank. They were very close. I am of the feeling that frank and Stacey are plotting to write a tell all book on MJ. Why else are they phoning each other.:eek:
 
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wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Listen, I've never seen a more genuinely good person then Michael and it makes me mad when people insult him as a human being. It's WRONG. Becaue it's his person that makes him special, just as much as his talent, if not more. So people should respect him. He respects everybody, so why shouldn't he be awarded the same treatment? People just fail to realize what an incredible person Michael is because they don't hear him, but only hear what they're told about him and what to think about him and how to react to him. It's an unfortunate condition which society grinds in to people over time.

If they ever actually opened their ears and heard Michael, I KNOW they would fall in love with the man. It's just a matter of getting them to listen.
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exactly wbss. thats what bugs the hell outta me. when some ppl say "u can think hes a lousy person but u CANT ignore his music". that is BULLSH!T. it implies that ppl have good reasons to dislike him yet they cant dislike his music cuz its the best. trash the person, praise the artist kind of thing. these are the real haters in my book.
 
Roxanne said:
exactly wbss. thats what bugs the hell outta me. when some ppl say "u can think hes a lousy person but u CANT ignore his music". that is BULLSH!T. it implies that ppl have good reasons to dislike him yet they cant dislike his music cuz its the best. trash the person, praise the artist kind of thing. these are the real haters in my book.
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Roxanne, You cannot make someone like somebody if they do not want to. The point the writer was making is that, 'I cannot make you love MJ or stop you from thinking badly of him, but You cannot deny his talent even if you try,' That was not him speaking badly of Mj, it was him stickng his tongue out at the haters. It is like you saying to someone who hates you, that you don't care what they say about you because you still have more talent that they do. You may want to read the article again, It was in the highest praise of MJ. Really. Shame about the misunderstanding.:)
 
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datsy i didnt read any article. i dont bother reading articles anymore even if they're positive. unless of course they provide news and stuff that i dont know about.
i was talking about a specific comment that someone made and it was posted here.
all im trying to say is that like someone cant deny his talent they cant deny the fact that hes a wonderful great person as well. ppl who deny that are pure evil in my book. thats why they hate/dislike him. a good decent person can only like/love him. if they dont know him then i expect them to not care either way.
like i cant make someone like him if they dont want to i cant also make them recognize his music . they might simply not like his voice or songs or whatever. michaels the best artist ever to me and in my book hes generally the best. to me ppl who dont like or appreciate his music they dont have a clue about what music really is. but theres a lot of ppl out there who dont recognize the artist like some others dont recognize his greatness as a person. so its the same. u cant just say "u can dislike him but u have to like his music". they actually dont. to me it goes the other way around actually. i always say to a friend of mine that its cool shes not into his music as long as she loves him as a person :)
 
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Datsymay said:
It is like you saying to someone who hates you, that you don't care what they say about you because you still have more talent that they do.
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i wouldnt say that after they had insulted me as a person. to me the kindness of ur soul is much more important than any kind of talent or anything else.
 
Roxanne said:
i wouldnt say that after they had insulted me as a person. to me the kindness of ur soul is much more important than any kind of talent or anything else.
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How many artist do you know as a person. Most of the people who know MJ only know hom from the tabloids, so how can you judge them for not liking him. They don't come to fan boards to chjeck him out like fans do. They don't have to like him either, to enjoy his music. many artists are indeed lousy human beings. that should not distract from their music or their art. Anyway, I just started a new thread.:)
 
Datsymay said:
How many artist do you know as a person. Most of the people who know MJ only know hom from the tabloids, so how can you judge them for not liking him. They don't come to fan boards to chjeck him out like fans do. They don't have to like him either, to enjoy his music. many artists are indeed lousy human beings. that should not distract from their music or their art. Anyway, I just started a new thread.:)
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since they only know him from the tabloids/media they dont know him at all so normally they shouldnt have an opinion on him whatsoever. they shouldnt like nor dislike someone they dont know. if he was a lousy person then yes that comment woulda made sense. i say that kind of thing about artists that are indeed lousy ppl and friends ask me why i listen to them. i say who cares what they are as ppl. i just enjoy their art.
 
Roxanne said:
since they only know him from the tabloids/media they dont know him at all so normally they shouldnt have an opinion on him whatsoever. they shouldnt like nor dislike someone they dont know. if he was a lousy person then yes that comment woulda made sense. i say that kind of thing about artists that are indeed lousy ppl and friends ask me why i listen to them. i say who cares what they are as ppl. i just enjoy their art.
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Go and read the article. it was very nice ,honestly. The line was taken out of context and we are arguing over something that doesn't exist. You and the writer are on the same side. He is a big fan.:)
 
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lol dats im not arguing :lol: im just saying how ppl who dont know someone are not entitled to have an opinion about them. thats all. they dont have to love him to bits to listen to his music but they cant hate him and at the same time enjoy his music either.
i know ppl who dont have opinions about him cuz they dont know him and listen to his music. i can also understand how ppl can slightly dislike him based on things they've read or heard about him and listen to his music as well. but to actually hate him and think he sucks as a person yet listen to him is impossible for a sensible person. i listen to artists that i dont like or dont care either way but never to artists that i hate as ppl like eminem, robbie williams.
 
some of you are so far out concerning frank its funny.
 
Datsymay said:
I agree here. I smell fish. Frank did not sound angry or outraged. Why call Stacey to tell him he didn't say so. Call him out in the media. Why tuck on the 30 years. It doesn't matter that he didn't know MJ then, what I get from it is that he may have said so long ago but not recently. He gave Stacey a way out instead of calling him out as a down-right liar. I just wonder if he is working on a tell all book with Stacey, and may have said some of these to him as part of his book, but stacey took it out of context. Throwing in Bob Jones was just a cover.
I feel that someone is playing dirty. They want back in with MJ or else they are threatening to hurt him. This is what I am seeing in all of this. MJ could have been very angry with his family at some point in his career as we all do sometimes. I am very angry with mine right now. He may have expressed his feelings to Frank. They were very close. I am of the feeling that frank and Stacey are plotting to write a tell all book on MJ. Why else are they phoning each other.:eek:
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But I don't smell fish Datsy and I don't want to cast suspicion on Frank. I am just saying I didn't think it worked out well. Maybe I am wrong about that even. Maybe it was good for Frank to point his finger back at the perpetrator. Lets see if Jones comes out and denies it too. That would really be interesting.

And it may well be that Stacy called Frank to try to bribe or trick him into saying something he could use and it obviously didn't work. So did he decide to fabricate something then. Who knows.
 
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I don't think that comment ("even if you think he's a lousy human being") about mike was bad. The person didn't say they thought mike was lousy, they were just saying that even if SOME think that michael is lousy you can’t deny his talent. Lets face it, some ppl don't like mike as a person because of all the lies that the media has said about him. shoot I tend not to like some famous ppl over something that they did, that I didn't agree with. That just natural.

@ bee, you were saying you don't see how someone cannot like a person over something that that person did not do to them personally. I don't agree with that. see what I wrote above^ and it's plenty of times where you hear that a person did this or that and you strongly disagreed with it and that made you not like that person. You don't have to know someone personally to dislike them. You can only go off a person's actions. If you disagree with those action then that might cause you not to like that person, if even if you don't know them personally.
 
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