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When did Janet become an Icon

Janet does not fit with my definition of icon. Most people do not know who she is outdside of the Jackson family. If she was to walk down the streets of london, i doubt anyone would recognise her. I don't call janet an icon. I call her a superstar. albeit, one that is hardly known outside of her own country. But this is my opnion. I know Janet because I am on an MJ board.
 
KOPV. One doesn't have to sell records to be an icon. How many did marilyn Manrow sell?
I do not believe Janets stamp on music industry is huge at all. She sings and dances bvut very few people even know her songs. She has always been known as the female MJ. That means that she did exactly what MJ did. How did she make an huge impact when she was copying her brother? You may not accept that but this is what many people feel. That is why she dies not get as much respect as other artists, cause they believe that she was following her brother. It is an opnion that is shared by many. Even the Icon award that MTV gave her was disputed cause many felt that they gave it to her as a rebuff to her brother.
Nobody talks about janet, except MJ fans. She needs to give more than her music to become an icon and so far I see nothing. No siree.
How many people tune in to watch janet on tv when she appears on interviews? Does she draw a large crowd? Does it make the news the next morning? Does janet make the news everytime she does something? Yes, I would say that britney is way bigger than Janet. Britney is known throughout the world and her songs are well known. She is an icon in the making.
 
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KOPV said:
Her stamp on music and culture as we know it is huge.. Many female artists today fallow the footstelps of Janet.
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that's one of the core pillars in branding someone an icon. as silly as calling Britney an icon is, she (her manufacturers) in fact were largely influenced by Janet to make her into what she became - especially her live shows.

other artists evidently influenced by Janet include Aaliyah, Jennifer Lopez, Ciara, Christina Aguilera, Beyonce, Mya, Christina Milian and i'm sure many more.
 
The problem with janet is that nobody knows her brand. The same people who may have copieed janet could just as easily say they copied Michael janet was doing what Mj was doing anyway.
Most of the people you named will say they are MJ fans too. Quincy said that everybody were copying Michael. Janet did not bring anything new to the table.
 
if you compare the word 'Icon' with Michael.. then look at janet.. then no, you wont see it..

Michael is in a different league than Janet, Michael is MORE than an icon, he's a legend..

Years after he is gone, his touch on world history is SO large people cannot even grasp it.. He changed the WORLD forever..

Janet has made an impact though.. She has made her dent in the world.. That's iconic..

Michael reshaped it.. Janet put her dent..


If Britney spears would never to be seen, 20 15 years from now she would be known as one of the old singers that just went away.. JANET, will be around long after she is..

If Michael was not around, her impact would have even been bigger.. It's hard to top THE Michael jackson..

He has the #1 most viewed HBO special

she has #2


he has the #1 most viewed Superbowl Half Time special

She has #2

The list goes on and on..................
You know she beat MJ in the 80's for the most #1 hits on ONE album.. That, back then is HUGE.. She has been making hits longer than much of the current generation has been alive. that's iconic..

How many people from the early mid 80's are still making hits?? Very few.. All the ones you can think of are icons as well.. Otherwise nope..
 
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KOPV said:
if you compare the word 'Icon' with Michael.. then look at janet.. then no, you wont see it..

Michael is in a different league than Janet, Michael is MORE than an icon, he's a legend..

Years after he is gone, his touch on world history is SO large people cannot even grasp it.. He changed the WORLD forever..

Janet has made an impact though.. She has made her dent in the world.. That's iconic..

Michael reshaped it.. Janet put her dent..


If Britney spears would never to be seen, 20 15 years from now she would be known as one of the old singers that just went away.. JANET, will be around long after she is..

If Michael was not around, her impact would have even been bigger.. It's hard to top THE Michael jackson..

He has the #1 most viewed HBO special

she has #2


he has the #1 most viewed Superbowl Half Time special

She has #2

The list goes on and on..................
You know she beat MJ in the 80's for the most #1 hits on ONE album.. That, back then is HUGE.. She has been making hits longer than much of the current generation has been alive. that's iconic..

How many people from the early mid 80's are still making hits?? Very few.. All the ones you can think of are icons as well.. Otherwise nope..
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Janet maybe huge in america but she is not huge in europe. She never was., Her fanbase was largely made up of Mj fans. Britney has a genuine fanbase here in europe and in the rest of the world. She is now building a cult following now because of her struggles. Icons are like heros. They are people who have battled against the odds and have survived. They have a story to tell. Nobody who is bland and borinmg becomes icon. The same reason why John Lennon was and paul Mc cartney never was. Janet has fans, but she will never be an icon, exept for mtv, of course.
 
^ Do you think Britney will still be around 20 years from now??


Janet is not as big now as she was.. TODAY anyone and everyone can become WORLD famouse..

the world is a different place.. I can make a video post it online for people all over the world to see it.. Now if someone is a celeb. just imagine how much easier they are to reach..

Britney has been around for only 9 years.. and her sales are all ready falling apart.. It's only her 5th album and it only sold 2 million.

Janets 5th album sold 19 milliom



While I admit her last 2 albums did only a fraction than her old albums.. She's been making hits for so long.. She's 10 albums and 26 years in the game..

Britney had a SMASH dabute selling 22 million her first album.. But her album sales have been declining now more and more with each album..

It's britney's personal life that is the celeb.. Not her and her music right now..
 
Datsymay said:
How many people tune in to watch janet on tv when she appears on interviews? Does she draw a large crowd? Does it make the news the next morning? Does janet make the news everytime she does something? Yes, I would say that britney is way bigger than Janet. Britney is known throughout the world and her songs are well known. She is an icon in the making.
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Well the Superbowl certainly changed that now didn't it? lol. Janet was the most searched for person on the internet in 2003/2004 (can't remember which year exactly). I do admit that as a personality I have always found Janet to be kinda boring and dry & really don't care about her personal life as I don't find her to be very interesting, but I do like her music. In a way it's probably for the best how she handles herself though because she has stayed out of trouble for the most part and the Jackson family certainly do not need any more bad publicity and Janet has done a very good job at keeping her private life private. Now as for Britney, I am not a big fan of hers as an artist although I do think she has some catchy songs and is a good performer, but she mostly makes headlines for her crazy behavior, not for her music. Janet at least has made groundbreaking video's (i.e. Rhythm Nation) and has a great catalogue of music. Also, Janet's music video's and choreographed routines have served as an inspiration and blueprint for many of today's artists (including Britney Spears).


Janet is an icon and will be remembered for being a creative force within the music industry whereas Britney will be remembered for being one of the biggest teen sensations ever who completely screwed up her life and fell off the wagon at an early age. Fact of the matter is that musically, Britney is not on Janet's level at all. Britney hasn't done anything that hasn't already been done before. Please talk to me when Britney creates something as groundbreaking as the "Rhythm Nation" or "Velvet Rope" albums.
 
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KOPV said:
^ Do you think Britney will still be around 20 years from now??


Janet is not as big now as she was.. TODAY anyone and everyone can become WORLD famouse..

the world is a different place.. I can make a video post it online for people all over the world to see it.. Now if someone is a celeb. just imagine how much easier they are to reach..

Britney has been around for only 9 years.. and her sales are all ready falling apart.. It's only her 5th album and it only sold 2 million.

Janets 5th album sold 19 milliom



While I admit her last 2 albums did only a fraction than her old albums.. She's been making hits for so long.. She's 10 albums and 26 years in the game..

Britney had a SMASH dabute selling 22 million her first album.. But her album sales have been declining now more and more with each album..

It's britney's personal life that is the celeb.. Not her and her music right now..
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hits the nail right on the head, altho im not a janet fan, i only like a few songs n vids, but u r right janets an icon no1 can deny it
Cinnamon234 said:
Well the Superbowl certainly changed that now didn't it? lol. Janet was the most searched for person on the internet in 2003/2004 (can't remember which year exactly). I do admit that as a personality I have always found Janet to be kinda boring and dry & really don't care about her personal life as I don't find her to be very interesting, but I do like her music. In a way it's probably for the best how she handles herself though because she has stayed out of trouble for the most part and the Jackson family certainly do not need any more bad publicity and Janet has done a very good job at keeping her private life private. Now as for Britney, I am not a big fan of hers as an artist although I do think she has some catchy songs and is a good performer, but she mostly makes headlines for her crazy behavior, not for her music. Janet at least has made groundbreaking video's (i.e. Rhythm Nation) and has a great catalogue of music. Also, Janet's music video's and choreographed routines have served as an inspiration and blueprint for many of today's artists (including Britney Spears).


Janet is an icon and will be remembered for being a creative force within the music industry whereas Britney will be remembered for being one of the biggest teen sensations ever who completely screwed up her life and fell off the wagon at an early age. Fact of the matter is that musically, Britney is not on Janet's level at all. Britney hasn't done anything that hasn't already been done before. Please talk to me when Britney creates something as groundbreaking as the "Rhythm Nation" or "Velvet Rope" albums.
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agreed
 
I'm not a Janet fan (love Rhythm nation but can't classify as a fan) but Janet is an Icon.
She's not the worlds most googled person for nothing ;)

When I weren't a Michael fan I didn't even know she was Michael's sister!
 
Memia said:
I'm not a Janet fan (love Rhythm nation but can't classify as a fan) but Janet is an Icon.
She's not the worlds most googled person for nothing ;)

When I weren't a Michael fan I didn't even know she was Michael's sister!
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janet is not the world most google person , that's Britney (1) and then Michael (2nd) janet is only at the 14th rank .
 
Britney is a star of the moment.. If her personal life was not a reck.. she would NOT be the top Googled.. Top ANYTHING..

she disapeard for some time, then all of a sudden, BAM she's everywhere again, because of the medias interest in her.. SHE did not do NEARLY enough to become an 'icon'...

YES Janet is not as big as she WAS.. But her impact has all ready been done..

Janet in her prime was much bigger than Britney.. take britney 20 years from now and see how u remember her then..

She'll just be one of those old artists.. Like remember her???

The many names that came on gone

She does not have any staying power..


Look at her little sister, her name is now known all over the world for what?? HAVING A CHILD IN HER.. Wow!! What a unique girl..
 
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serena williams said:
janet is not the world most google person , that's Britney (1) and then Michael (2nd) janet is only at the 14th rank .
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Janet is in the geneis book of records as the most googled. and the superbolw is the most google book.so yes she is. and she the most googled in 2005 also. and I have no idea where you are getting that list from Briteny has been for the last couple of years, Micheal isn't even in there.
 
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Janet is in the geneis book of records as the most googled. and the superbolw is the most google book.so yes she is. and she the most googled in 2005 also. and I have no idea where you are getting that list from Briteny has been for the last couple of years, Micheal isn't even in there.
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I'm curious why you are at a MJ board since it's overwhelmingly obvious you are more of a Janet fan right down to your handle. At least most Janet fans stay at her sites, I am a casual fan of hers but im not a member of any of her boards and wouldn't dare go to any of them to prop up Michael while putting Janet down on a Janet Jackson site the way you constantly do here on a MJ board put Michael down to prop up Janet.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
she went international with the janet album so i guess then if u wanna pick a time
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i would pick that time as well and it was then that she really broke ranks with having her own identity which she always wanted and for being celebrated for the artists she is. My favourite song on the janet album is This Time with Katherin Battle I love the bit at the end most of all.
 
hopespringseternal said:
I'm curious why you are at a MJ board since it's overwhelmingly obvious you are more of a Janet fan right down to your handle. At least most Janet fans stay at her sites, I am a casual fan of hers but im not a member of any of her boards and wouldn't dare go to any of them to prop up Michael while putting Janet down on a Janet Jackson site the way you constantly do here on a MJ board put Michael down to prop up Janet.
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where have I put down Michael ? if he wasn't on the list he wasn't on the list.no big deal. I was just correcting her. and I really don't considered it a proud acomplishment for Janet anyway.
 
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hopespringseternal said:
I'm curious why you are at a MJ board since it's overwhelmingly obvious you are more of a Janet fan right down to your handle. At least most Janet fans stay at her sites, I am a casual fan of hers but im not a member of any of her boards and wouldn't dare go to any of them to prop up Michael while putting Janet down on a Janet Jackson site the way you constantly do here on a MJ board put Michael down to prop up Janet.
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Thank u. I don't care if that person is a bigger Janet fan or whatever, but when people come on here putting Mike down on his own board to make Janet look better than I don't think that's cool and that poster has a history of doing this.
 
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first.. there is no reason to have a Michael vs. Janet..


Britney is not the most googles, the most anything..

she may have been the most googled for that moment.. As in the #1 spot always changes.. One week when stories are circulating about Beyonce getting married.. she'll be #1.. When J-lo becomes pregnatte.. She'll be #1.. When.....

it's just that way....

The FACT is Britney had a HUGE debute.. and she has been riding on that train spiraling downward ever since..

I she had an O.K start, she could have very well have been a ONE HIT WONDER..

But because her debute was so big, she was able to last longer, she got more teenie bopper groupies to hold over longer.. And she keeps losing more fans as they get older and relize she aint all that's cracked up to be.

Janet is an artist/singer/entertainer

Britney is a brand, yes that sold her for a while.. but that brand is running it's corse..
 
I don't know, Britney is still pretty huge. I don't think she's going anywhere anytime soon. People are still interested in her.
 
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KOPV said:
first.. there is no reason to have a Michael vs. Janet..


Britney is not the most googles, the most anything..

she may have been the most googled for that moment.. As in the #1 spot always changes.. One week when stories are circulating about Beyonce getting married.. she'll be #1.. When J-lo becomes pregnatte.. She'll be #1.. When.....

it's just that way....

The FACT is Britney had a HUGE debute.. and she has been riding on that train spiraling downward ever since..

I she had an O.K start, she could have very well have been a ONE HIT WONDER..

But because her debute was so big, she was able to last longer, she got more teenie bopper groupies to hold over longer.. And she keeps losing more fans as they get older and relize she aint all that's cracked up to be.

Janet is an artist/singer/entertainer

Britney is a brand, yes that sold her for a while.. but that brand is running it's corse..
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Theproblem with brands is that they last as long as there is a demand for it. When I said there was no demand for janet in Britain, I was villified and called a Janet hater. Janetls album entered the charts at number 63 and sold less that 4000 albums in the first week. By the second weel it was 123. Why was I agressivelyvillified for saying what I obseved to be true.
As I said before, I do not consider Janet an Icon, I don't know manythat do. I equate icons wth heros. They usually have extraordinaly lives marked out by persecution, struggles, rebellions, they usually attracts extreme opposition and extreme love. Britney, I believe will become an icon in due time, due to the struggle she is facing in her life at the moment. Michael too, Martin L King, Jessy Jackson. People who experience great adversity and people identify with their struggle. Whitney Huston, those people have iconic characteristic. Latoya Jackson too. Nothing to do with the number of record sold. Superstars is the name given for thise achievements.
 
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hopespringseternal said:
I'm curious why you are at a MJ board since it's overwhelmingly obvious you are more of a Janet fan right down to your handle. At least most Janet fans stay at her sites, I am a casual fan of hers but im not a member of any of her boards and wouldn't dare go to any of them to prop up Michael while putting Janet down on a Janet Jackson site the way you constantly do here on a MJ board put Michael down to prop up Janet.
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Thank you, i've noticed that with this poster as well I don't know why they are trying to pretend like they haven't done it, all you have to do is look at their post history and they are ALWAYS putting down Mike to prop up Janet and i think it's just rather sad that Janet has so little going on for some of these folks that they hae to come to a MJ board to wreck havoc.
 
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The only reason why people are still interested in Britney is because of her mess... We as a society are TOO strung up on celeb gossip.. Yes she is in it.. in a big way.. But that does not make her an icon..

Lets do this...

Some1 right how Britney impacted today's pop culture.. can anyone tell me what she has contributed?? If so please do.. (not saying she has not done ANYTHING) but lets see what exactly she did to deserve to be called an icon..
 
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Well like I said earlier I think it's too soon to call Britney an icon, but she has accomplished a lot in only a few short years. She was at the forefront of the whole teen pop explosion in the late 90's/early 00's. Britney is easily the biggest female pop star since Madonna. Being a Superstar is not just about talent though, it's about having a certain "it" factor and having something about you that keeps people interested and although I think Britney leaves much to be desired in the talent area, you can't deny that she has in fact had an impact on pop culture.
 
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KOPV said:
The only reason why people are still interested in Britney is because of her mess... We as a society are TOO strung up on celeb gossip.. Yes she is in it.. in a big way.. But that does not make her an icon..

Lets do this...

Some1 right how Britney impacted today's society.. can anyone tell me what she has contributed?? If so please do.. (not saying she has not done ANYTHING) but lets see what exactly she did to deserve to be called an icon..
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Mess or not. people are talking about her. You cannot be an icon when no one wants to talk about you. Icons are borne out of struggles and victories. People identify with these people, people who have had hardtimes and survive or die for a cause. Those are the stuff that makes you iconic. You have to be rebellious, you have to have a cause and something to fight for. Sad stories with happy or sad ending. Princess Diana became an Icon in death , hers was a sad ending and millions identify with her. Janet may be called an icon by her fans, but in reality, no one is talking about her, or is identifying with her. There is no struggle that they can think of. You do not become an icon by being the 'NORMAL' one. You need to be a bit out or the ordinary, leading larger than life existence.
janet=popstar, but icon, no. Life is too bland.
 
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^ nope, nope..

Diana was an icon while she was alive.. She was imortalized when she died..

Janet CHOSES to stay out of peoples eye.. Last time she was in the media, look how large that was.. Superbowl.. some of the largest news ratings after that, untill MJ trial..

An icon is someone that has impacted the world in some fasion. Janets impact on todays pop culture is huge..

She is thought of as an icon by the idustry as a whole.. Not just fans.. Just an example, VH1 established an 'JANET JACKSON ICON' special with celebs and artists from all over to pay tribute to her because of what she has done in the industry..

If it were not for Janet we would not have had many of the female artists out today. even some male artists.. Her impact on music, fasion, and the overall cutlure is HUGE.. Yes she is not that talked about NOW.. but I cannot say the same thing for the past 20 years..

Do you HONESTLY think Britney will be around getting to top 10's in 15 years from now?? Be real with yourself.. She cannot even sell TODAY.. let alone 15 years from now..

Paris Hilton is not an icon but she is talked about.. And in the same aspects as Britney.. Britney has not prevaled anything yet.. Infact she falls further with the talk about her.. (I'm not saying she will never get back up) but she's been punched down, and she fell even further than the punch allowed.


U know there was a time when Elvis was doing music and no1 paid attention to it.. That does not make him a less of an icon, because the IMPACT was all ready done..

Janet's impact is not as big NOW as before, but her IMPACT has allready been done, and deserving of it.
 
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^ nope, nope..

Diana was an icon while she was alive.. She was imortalized when she died..

Janet CHOSES to stay out of peoples eye.. Last time she was in the media, look how large that was.. Superbowl.. some of the largest news ratings after that, untill MJ trial..

An icon is someone that has impacted the world in some fasion. Janets impact on todays pop culture is huge..

She is thought of as an icon by the idustry as a whole.. Not just fans.. Just an example, VH1 established an 'JANET JACKSON ICON' special with celebs and artists from all over to pay tribute to her because of what she has done in the industry..

If it were not for Janet we would not have had many of the female artists out today. even some male artists.. Her impact on music, fasion, and the overall cutlure is HUGE.. Yes she is not that talked about NOW.. but I cannot say the same thing for the past 20 years..

Do you HONESTLY think Britney will be around getting to top 10's in 15 years from now?? Be real with yourself.. She cannot even sell TODAY.. let alone 15 years from now..

Paris Hilton is not an icon but she is talked about.. And in the same aspects as Britney.. Britney has not prevaled anything yet.. Infact she falls further with the talk about her.. (I'm not saying she will never get back up) but she's been punched down, and she fell even further than the punch allowed.


U know there was a time when Elvis was doing music and no1 paid attention to it.. That does not make him a less of an icon, because the IMPACT was all ready done..

Janet's impact is not as big NOW as before, but her IMPACT has allready been done, and deserving of it.
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iana was an Icon because of her struggles. The truth is thatnobody is talking about Janet. apart from her fans that is. Janets dancing came straight out of the Michael Jackson school, even Quincy woud tel you that. So the fact that there were honouring Janet for what she was doing doesn't cut it for me because the same peope were calling her the female Michael Jackson. Janet was not original, except that she was female.
The music industry awarded Janet with the first icon because they did not want to give it to Michael. That was considered a snub to Michael by many of his fans.
As I said, icon is just another word for hero and everybody that has ever got that label have demonsrtated that some type of struggle in their life, not one that is orchastrated for publicity, but genuine srtuggle.
 
and Britney was one from the JANET SCHOOL..

you better believe that Janet was one of the FIRST female artists that was able to break down barriers for women to be thought of as a true in every form of the word ENTERTAINER. Not just that, her music has always been impactful.. She's sang about it all, which has impacted peoples lives in a big way.

I personally find it disrespectful for some1 to even mention Spears in the same line as Janet..

To me it's almost (not to that limate but..) like what people do to Usher and Michael.. PLEASE!!!!

U say 'Janets dancing came straight out of the Michael Jackson school'

well guess what.. 90% of the music industry today came from that same school.. INCLUDING BRITNEY SPEARS..

that does not make Janet any less impactful. Britney has been influenced by Janet in a large way..

EVEN today at 42 years old Janet would whoope Britney's butt on stage.. And in the studio.

If you take some music history classes, you will be tought about Janet Jackson.. U will not hear about Britney.. The only time her name has came up in ANY of my music history classes is in a list of names of people that have been able to do what they do now because of people like Janet Jackson..


And I'm still waiting for SOMEONE to tell me what Britney has done to be an icon??
 
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