The Official R. Kelly Trial Thread

The thing is michael was always innocent and he will always have that stigma attached to him. God bless him. That why i want mj to come back soon so people can at least talk about how amazing he is and try to forget about the **** he has been through.
 
I have no issue with people having an opinion about R.Kelly, his trial and his controversial acquittal. I think though, as fans of Michael Jackson, we know what it was like once he was acquitted three years ago, and we are more knowledgeable than any other about how it makes us feel when people still feel he is guilty.

With this knowledge comes maturity and decorum for people in the same situation, those being the fans of R.Kelly, because I am sure there still are some. You can feel how you wish to feel about R.Kelly, but I would encourage an aura of acceptance about what has happened and just let it rest. I will not express what I feel about the man or the trial or his acquittal because a court and jury has decided and that is just how it is, fair or unfair, it is something people should accept and move on from.
 
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The thing is michael was always innocent and he will always have that stigma attached to him. God bless him. That why i want mj to come back soon so people can at least talk about how amazing he is and try to forget about the **** he has been through.
Michael will not always have that stigma attached to him. Why would an innocent man have a stigma. R Kelly will have the stigma because the people around him know it is true. The people around MJ know it is not true. That is the difference.
The stigma will only exist in your mind. I have no stigma where MJ is concerned so for me there is none.
People who check the information will know there is none.
Anybody can be accused of a crime. Stop worrying about MJ and stigma. Who the hell cares. Jesus was accused of the worse crime on the planet. Nelson mandela was put in prison for 27 years. When you are innocent you become a martyre. That is what happens to innocent people. Onlyh the guilty carries stigma.
The demeanor of R KJelly will noticeable change because he knows that everyone knows that he is guilty.
Sharp contrast to MJ who knows that everyone knows that he is innocent. Don't worry about MJ,. He is fine.:D
 
what a load of BULL, first MJ now Rkelly seriously this world is in termoil. How and Why the hell would R.Kelly do something like that it just simply is Bull PERIOD. Its about Money Propaganda and ignorance. It makes me angry R.KELLY INNOCENT!!!!!!!
 
Foxy, just because MJ is innocent and treated as a criminal, it does not mean that a MJ fan should not choose careful. I do judge no one, but neither will I accept crime.
Btw, I see it was a wise move of R. Kelly to hold the media out of the case. The coverage is very tame and clean (in my country anyway).
 
Michael will not always have that stigma attached to him. Why would an innocent man have a stigma.
Why? Because it's true and time has proven that to be the case. Kelly will have less of a stigma because 1, his trial did not receive the level of international coverage that MJ's did, and 2, while he is still very popular with some within the African American community (his record sales bare this out), the race and sex of the victim made this less newsworthy. Even though Obama is a serious Presidential candidate, racism and especially how the media covers news stories is still an issue in the States.

Also, MJ is immensely more known worldwide than Kelly will ever be, thus he is a larger target to be taken down.
 
Mj has got a stigma attached to him he's had it since 93. Even thought it hurts it will always be there.

And to think it isn't you must be blind.

And kelly is shown to be in that tape, the only reason he got off was because the girl would not testify
 
Mj has got a stigma attached to him he's had it since 93. Even thought it hurts it will always be there.

And to think it isn't you must be blind.

And kelly is shown to be in that tape, the only reason he got off was because the girl would not testify
I do not believe that Mj has any stigma attached to him at all. Only the media and a few ignorant people report anything about MJ and children. The vast majority of people know he is innicent., If MJ was suffering from stigma, the world would not reacty to him the way they do.
Also, stigma passes with time and favourable reporting. Time is a great healer. When the reporting stops and the public sees how welcoming the crowd is to MJ their attitude changes.
People only have stigma when people believe the story, that is why I said there will be stigma attatched to R Kelly because the people believe the story. They saw the tape.
 
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Also,. given time the law will change as it always do. There is always a problem that things that are illegal changes under pressure and becomes lawful overtime. We at present are incensed by underage sex, but if children are maturing earlier, as they are, and are exposed to sex earlier, as they are, through pop songs and lifestyle changes, then at some time the law will have to change to move with the time, otherwise there iwll be more of this type of cases where people are being prosecuted and no victims, cause they will not testify.
Lots of young girls are indulged in sexual activities now, and many are having childen, it is common in Britain. A 12 year- old getting pregnant isn't news anymore. So maybe something may have to be done to accommodate this kind of thing instead of criminalising people for it. I think it is more of a moral issue than a criminal issues and we cannot legislate for peoples moral behaviour if they do not wish to be legistated to.
 
To be honest Datsymay if I mention Michael Jackson to my friends they think he is a pedophile, if I said R.Kelly I doubt they would even know there was a trial or if he was acquitted. That is just how it is, the bigger the star the bigger the stigma.
People can think what they want. That doesn't make any difference to MJ. They will still pass out in front of him cause they know that he didn't commit the crime. They will still want to d\see him. They are only fronting. If I have friends like those though, I would vbe questioning their intelligence and integrity.
 
Michael's had that stigma since 1993. EVERYONE I know (outside the people I have met fan forums and MJ fan friends), at some stage has asked me (since 1993 I might add lol) about MJ's innocence, the court case, or even slapped my hand or condemned me for liking MJ at all because they either think he's guilty or aren't sure. At least I am there to inform them. It's a constant for me.

MJ will always have it, in the media and with the general public.

I agree with everything mello said- R Kelly won't have it.
 
Michael's had that stigma since 1993. EVERYONE I know (outside the people I have met fan forums and MJ fan friends), at some stage has asked me (since 1993 I might add lol) about MJ's innocence, the court case, or even slapped my hand or condemned me for liking MJ at all because they either think he's guilty or aren't sure. At least I am there to inform them. It's a constant for me.

MJ will always have it, in the media and with the general public.

I agree with everything mello said- R Kelly won't have it.

Well, it is a matter of opnion. Everyone I know, even without knowing the facts believe he was being railroaded. There is no stigma where I come from. He is mainly talked about for being eccentric, rather than a CM. So maybe it is cultural. As U say, time and society changing, along with more people ghearing the facts as well as instinct, tells me that that will pass. Look at the crowd of people that gathered to celebrat with the jacksons in Devon. Very conservative and mainly white. If those people believed that MJ was molesting children, they would never have turned up to that party. Never.:D
 
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I think the jurors made the right decision . The prosecution's case was weak. I still however think R. Kelly is disgusting. It is clear the man's a pedophile.
 
Well, it is a matter of opnion. Everyone I know, even without knowing the facts believe he was being railroaded. There is no stigma where I come from. He is mainly talked about for being eccentric, rather than a CM. So maybe it is cultural. As U say, time and society changing, along with more people ghearing the facts as well as instinct, tells me that that will pass. Look at the crowd of people that gathered to celebrat with the jacksons in Devon. Very conservative and mainly white. If those people believed that MJ was molesting children, they would never have turned up to that party. Never.:D


True, it really depends on where you live or who you know I guess though because most people I know like Michael or respect him as a talent at least. I only know of two people who think he's guilty and dislike him, but everyone else I know loves Michael's music and thinks that whole case was BS.
 
People can think what they want. That doesn't make any difference to MJ. They will still pass out in front of him cause they know that he didn't commit the crime. They will still want to d\see him. They are only fronting. If I have friends like those though, I would vbe questioning their intelligence and integrity.

HAHA...not everyone is passing out when they see MJ. I was on a pub with a frind. And I asked him what he wold do if MJ came in to the pub. He said he will be a bit suprised but he will countinuing look at the girls in the bar and not mj;)
 
I've posted my thoughts on this all ready, but those who continue to keep saying 'he got away with it' etc..


He did not get away with anything..

Wather he did it or not.. His final judgement was not yesterday..

He will stand infront of the Judge of all Judges, the King of All Kings..

If he did it, he can be forgiven..

I always think of this when I get angry at someone.. JESUS while being crucified.. He did not condem those who were nailing his hands.. He asked God to forgive them..

If he could do that in the MIDDLE of that.. WE can forgive someone for something we are not even sure what went down...

INNOCENT or GUILTY it's not in our hands to judge and chastize..

Which ever person that has never sinned.. Feel free to cast the first stone...

PLUS, I'll say it one more.. I doubt anyone of us fallowed the case the closely.. Aside from the big Kelly fans in here.. I dabbeled in the facts, learned somethings, but don't know it all.. I was not in the court, never read the court transcripts...

U have just as much reason to believe he's guilty as those who think Michael was guilty.. (very little or NONE)
 
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what he did was on tape, it was him, and the jury even acknowledged it . im just shocked that they could let him get away w/ a crime that was so blatantly obvious.
 
I've posted my thoughts on this all ready, but those who continue to keep saying 'he got away with it' etc..


He did not get away with anything..

Wather he did it or not.. His final judgement was not yesterday..

He will stand infront of the Judge of all Judges, the King of All Kings..

If he did it, he can be forgiven..

I always think of this when I get angry at someone.. JESUS while being crucified.. He did not condem those who were nailing his hands.. He asked God to forgive them..

If he could do that in the MIDDLE of that.. WE can forgive someone for something we are not even sure what went down...

INNOCENT or GUILTY it's not in our hands to judge and chastize..

Which ever person that has never sinned.. Feel free to cast the first stone...

PLUS, I'll say it one more.. I doubt anyone of us fallowed the case the closely.. Aside from the big Kelly fans in here.. I dabbeled in the facts, learned somethings, but don't know it all.. I was not in the court, never read the court transcripts...

U have just as much reason to believe he's guilty as those who think Michael was guilty.. (very little or NONE)

We saw no evidence that Michael commited any crime. There was a tape of Kelly doing something nasty to a young lady. That in itself shoukld have been a crime. He was also in possession of the illegal tapes. Kelly was free on technicallities. The 'victim' refused to testify, and she said it wasn't her. It was a foolish case to bring to court in the first place. You cannot legistate for the lifestyle of young people. They will do what they want whether we like it or not.
Young people have been having sex with grown ups since time immemorial and even Juliet was caught in the act. So maybe the laws should be looked at again, since the young people are more sexually aware and are more boisterous in their behaviour.
 
HAHA...not everyone is passing out when they see MJ. I was on a pub with a frind. And I asked him what he wold do if MJ came in to the pub. He said he will be a bit suprised but he will countinuing look at the girls in the bar and not mj;)
That guy would be crying like a baby if MJ walks in. Will.I.am said that being with MJ is better than sex. The toughest guy in the hood react like a child when MJ is in their presents. Ask Bigboi about it.:D
 
I have no doubt that R. Kelly is guilty. There isn't any evidence that says otherwise. Marrying a then 15 year old Aaliyah should have been enough of an eyebrow raiser. Video taping the crime is a whole 'nother story. The dude has ALWAYS had a thing for underage girls. With MJ, it was all lies and deceit. Very circumstantial. The case against him was as strong as a wet paper bag.
 
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da King of R&B Won so live with it haters. if it Ain't Da Kang, then you gotta set him Free to Sang.

i'm stepping and this is a great day and the man is not guilty period. case ova game ova. 3 years ago i was hyped and 3 years later i'm hyped. it feels good and for all the haters, you gets da finger. now it is time for R.Kelly to go back and make those classic genius songs and then tour.
 
da King of R&B Won so live with it haters. if it Ain't Da Kang, then you gotta set him Free to Sang.

i'm stepping and this is a great day and the man is not guilty period. case ova game ova. 3 years ago i was hyped and 3 years later i'm hyped. it feels good and for all the haters, you gets da finger. now it is time for R.Kelly to go back and make those classic genius songs and then tour.

Have you got young daughters?:(
 
he may be free here but he'll get his come the day of JUdgement....please, anyone who'd stoop to the low of working w/ someone that outright played ur ass is pathetic...

maxx...ever hear the song lil wayne did for r(ah)? and then for him to work w/him on making it rain...pretty pathetic.

and datsy, can we leave michael's name out of this?
 
he may be free here but he'll get his come the day of JUdgement....please, anyone who'd stoop to the low of working w/ someone that outright played ur ass is pathetic...

maxx...ever hear the song lil wayne did for r(ah)? and then for him to work w/him on making it rain...pretty pathetic.

and datsy, can we leave michael's name out of this?

Sodef, Why you calling me out. I was not the one that brough MJ's name in. Read the post above.:ph34r:
 
I'm not calling anyone out. how about we all NOT refer to michael in this thread. Isn't that what bee stated in the beginning?
 
That guy would be crying like a baby if MJ walks in. Will.I.am said that being with MJ is better than sex. The toughest guy in the hood react like a child when MJ is in their presents. Ask Bigboi about it.:D

well...will.i.am is on mj´s pay list. my friend is not. i have seen many celebs. mj is only a human...so i can understadn what he mean.
 
Michael will not always have that stigma attached to him. Why would an innocent man have a stigma. R Kelly will have the stigma because the people around him know it is true. The people around MJ know it is not true. That is the difference.
The stigma will only exist in your mind. I have no stigma where MJ is concerned so for me there is none.
People who check the information will know there is none.
Anybody can be accused of a crime. Stop worrying about MJ and stigma. Who the hell cares. Jesus was accused of the worse crime on the planet. Nelson mandela was put in prison for 27 years. When you are innocent you become a martyre. That is what happens to innocent people. Onlyh the guilty carries stigma.
The demeanor of R KJelly will noticeable change because he knows that everyone knows that he is guilty.
Sharp contrast to MJ who knows that everyone knows that he is innocent. Don't worry about MJ,. He is fine.:D

Marie Antionette and Hitler have been dead for years, yet they are still regarded as villians today.
 
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