Atheist thread

As long as the human race is divided AND dependent on natural resources, wich we do not share, then yes we will have wars. But we will have far less bloody wars. All the biggest and bloodiest wars were motivated by religion. The war on terror is motivated by religion.

The "war on terror" is a war on terrorists and terrorism not religon - I odnt think this is a disccusion to get into on here though really
 
Nearly 83% of Norwegians are members of the state Church of Norway, to which they are registered at baptism. Many remain in the state church to be able to use services such as baptism, confirmation, marriage and burial, rites which have strong cultural standing in Norway. Up to 40% of the membership attends church or religious meetings at least once annually, with fewer attending regularly.

According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2005, 32% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a god," whereas 47% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 17% that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, god, or life force.

Yes that is true. I myself am a member. I am just lazy and haven't cancelled it yet. But I live in this country so I know what is what. 83% of the people are members of the church, but 80% of those people are atheiets or agnostic. On paper it might look like we are a christian nation, but in real life christians are a minority. And they are becoming a smaller group for each generation.

When people who work in office or have some form of social status and or are known, they get mocked if they talk about their beliefs. If the prime minister said on stand that we should follow the Bible, he would be out of office.

In the US an atheist can not be elected. In Norway you are expected to either be an atheist or a very moderate christian. One party in Norway that uses the Bible as guidance for their law making, went into office back in the 90`s and tried to pull off their agenda. They now hold 6% support in the population.
 
When people who work in office or have some form of social status and or are known, they get mocked if they talk about their beliefs. If the prime minister said on stand that we should follow the Bible, he would be out of office.

I think that is the same for all countrys.
 
The "war on terror" is a war on terrorists and terrorism not religon - I odnt think this is a disccusion to get into on here though really

Actually it is. Because a suicide bombers motivation is the Quran. Osama Bin Laden might be one of the few who only uses Islam as a coverup for his real agenda. To mess up the US as much as he can. But if he did not have Islam, he would not be able to recrute so many people and create so much havoc.

The war on terror is fought by the US. And the US calls it a mission from God. I donn't think you need more then that to see that religion has played a huge role in history.
 
Also if i remember rightly each December doesnt norway give a Christmas tree to the UK in thanks for the UK's assistance during World War II. They put it up in Trafalger Square. Why what a Athesist goverment/country give a christmas tree?
 
Actually it is. Because a suicide bombers motivation is the Quran. Osama Bin Laden might be one of the few who only uses Islam as a coverup for his real agenda. To mess up the US as much as he can. But if he did not have Islam, he would not be able to recrute so many people and create so much havoc.

The war on terror is fought by the US. And the US calls it a mission from God. I donn't think you need more then that to see that religion has played a huge role in history.

So you are basically saying it should be called "war on religon" then? By saying it is?
Al-Qaeda has got to be no more than 400 members? Its a group not religon
 
Because Norway has been a christian country since the Viking era. We have traditions like all other countries. We celebrate all the holidays, but Norwegians are still atheists.

Norway has a very high standard when it comes to christmas trees because of our forests, and it has been a long time tradition to donate a tree to England. Norway holds its relationship with the UK very dear because of the 2 World War, so we don't brake of traditions so easily. You will find all types of religions in Norway. We are a diverse culture now and we allow everyone to practice their faith however they want, as long as it does not brake the law. But the Norwegian people have spoken. We do not want religion in our schools and our government. And that is how it is today.
 
So you are basically saying it should be called "war on religon" then? By saying it is?
Al-Qaeda has got to be no more than 400 members? Its a group not religon

No Al-Qaeda is a group. And they are far more then 400 members. My point is that the people doing the dirty work are hardcore believers of Islam. If you take away Islam, Al Qaeda looses ground. They depend upon Islam to recruite suicide bombers. And Al Qaeda is only one of many terrorist groups. It was originally not a war between religions, but it has become one now.
 
No one knows how the Universe came about. But we know a lot about what happened nanoseconds after it happened. If you want to dig your head deeper into this, I suggest you do some reading on Dr. Stephen Hawking. He has some books and lectures where he talks about this. Very interesting, and very true indeed.

But I can tell you this. The Universe does not exist for a purpose. That is the defualt position we humans must come to realize. No one exists for any special reason. You exist because you exist, and most importantly because you can exist. Existence just is. There is no divine plan. The Universe is random and does not rely on predetermined outcomes. Life is about opportunities. It is about sensing and experience, and most importantly survival.

If you want to know more about matter and energy, read quantum physics. As I said, the Universe is a maze of opportunities. And what can happen, will most likely happen, somewhere. Maybe here, maybe somewhere else. But the beauty of it, it can happen. And the most brilliant thing is. The Universe can happen without a cause. Sound silly? I know. But read some quantum physics and watch "The Double Slit" Experiment on YouTube, and you will have a new meaning of what is silly. Imagine this. Two particles existing at two different places at the same time. It actually is what happens, I kid you not;) What we know as cause and effect is the mechanical system that runs the Universe. But the crazy thing is that the notion of cause and effect only apply where space, matter, energy and time exist. Without this variables, there is no cause, no effect. That is what physics and quantum mechanics are struggling to figure out. How can existence come from none existence But they are so close to an answer now, it is only a matter of time until we have a unified theory. A theory of everything. The most likely answer they have is something called The Multiverse. They believe that there are several universes and these universes come about in the same manner as we did, and that this happens all the time, always has and always will be. The most likely answer to this is black holes. Universes expand, collapse and expand again. Some universes expand to become something like ours. Some universe expand just a tiny bit before collapsing in on itself. Like soap bubbles.

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"there is plenty of evidance to prove god exists,you only have to look at nature,the bible also backs it up 100% and the bible has been proved right by archiology,
we didnt just get here with a big explosion,a greater force than us is behind it all,"



I think you are mistaken Sir. There is no evidence for God. Looking at nature does not count as evidence. That is using common human perception and using your emotional responses to nature as evidence. Nature is what it is, and it does not require a higher force to exist. It requires two things to come into existence. Space and Energy. The Big Bang was not an explosion, it was an expansion of space and it is still going on. And the Bible has never been proven right by anyone. That is a false statement. The Bible is many things, but it is not credible to fact, and it is certainly not historically correct.

If anyone wants to convince me there is a God, you can not do it by analogy, or by using false dichotomy. You have to demonstrate empirically what the word God means, what it is, why it is, how it is and how it came to be. If you can do that, then you will convince this atheist beyond reasonable doubt. Till, then I stay a Pastafarian and believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster. :)

Every single thing you are saying is based on THEORY as far as what is behind everything. Stephen Hawkins still can't explain WHY? Before the big bang is the EVENT HORIZON, Scientist don't know what was before the big bang. The scientist are talk about the BIG RIP, they know the Universe can't keep expanding. Multi-Universes and Worm Holes are all based on theory. But that still doesn't DIS-PROVES there is a God or Supreme being.

And the fact that every since Man has existed, the questioned has always been, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AND WHO/WHAT IS BEHIND IT ALL?

THAT'S WHERE THE BELIEF IN A GOD OR SUPREME BEING COMES INTO PLAY.:cheeky:
 
Every single thing you are saying is based on THEORY as far as what is behind everything. Stephen Hawkins still can't explain WHY? Before the big bang is the EVENT HORIZON, Scientist don't know what was before the big bang. The scientist are talk about the BIG RIP, they know the Universe can't keep expanding. Multi-Universes and Worm Holes are all based on theory. But that still doesn't DIS-PROVES there is a God or Supreme being.

And the fact that every since Man has existed, the questioned has always been, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AND WHO/WHAT IS BEHIND IT ALL?

THAT'S WHERE THE BELIEF IN A GOD OR SUPREME BEING COMES INTO PLAY.:cheeky:

Well the problem with your post is that you use the word "theory" incorrectly. In your sentence a theory means a guess, a hunch or a suggestion. But the word theory in science has a complete different meaning. The word theory is the highest form of explanation you can get. It is the last step of the scientific method. Theory does not mean "a guess" "a hunch" or "a suggestion". It is an explanatory model that explains the available evidence.

In science you start with a premiss. You decide to explain a physical phenomenon. In science you start with observation of your subject. You then, based on that observation construct a hypothesis to explain the phenomenon. You conduct a series of experiments and you try to verify the predictions you make. If you fail, your original hypothesis is cast away and you have to come up with a new one. If you somehow manage to succeed and prove your hypothesis, you submit your findings to something called "peer review" This is where all the relevant scientists in the world try your experiment and try to get the same results as you. If they manage to get different results then what you had, your hypothesis gets rejected- But if the scientists(And this is done 100 of times before accepted as valid) are able to replicate your findings, make the same predictions, your hypothesis has become a "Scientific Theory" It then gets published.

A theory has to be falsifiable and verifiable. You have to be able to empirically test your theory at any given time. And should you discover new evidence that would contradict the theory, you revise the theory. This is done everyday in science.

But calling a theory just a theory, then you are missing out on what that word means

Gravity is also a theory. We have other theories as well. Atomic theory(nuclear technology) Cell theory(Biological cells), Computer theory(how to make a computer), quantum theory(explains how particles operate) and numerous other theories. These are all "just theories" As I said a scientific theory is never a guess of any kind. You can not have a theory without the evidence. The theory of evolution would not be a theory if we did not have all the evidence at our hands.

String Theory and Multiverse theory are called theories because the predictions match 100% But these theories are made out of mathematics.

And yes Stephen Hawking doesn't know everything. No one does. But I don't see that as an argument for a God. The burden of proof is with the people claiming that God exist.


You can not prove that something does not exist. That would be a paradox, because the word existence is a physical definition, and without physical data you can not prove anything. So by default, for something to exist or likely to exist, you have to prove its existence or provide evidence for any probability for such a thing to exist.

The problem with God, is that it is not a theory. It is not even a hypothesis. You can not test it, verify it, falsify it. You can not do anything. That is why I reject the notion of a God, because it lacks 100% of all the evidence of any kind to support it.

Just because we don't know certain things yet, does not mean that some divine being is the likely answer. That is how men and women thought 2-3000 years ago, and guess what came out of that. The Bible. The master of all guessing games in the world.


Just to ad something before this thread goes apeshit.

I talk alot of science shit, but remember this well. Science has NEVER talked about God. Science does not take God into consideration when applied. Scientists can not use God in any scientific test or theory- The reason is simple. God is by definition an "unknown"

Scientists rely on empirical data to be able to work, and God does not provide that.

This is a misconception among many people, who think that science challenges religion. It does not. Religion challenges itself.
 
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Well the problem with your post is that you use the word "theory" incorrectly. In your sentence a theory means a guess, a hunch or a suggestion. But the word theory in science has a complete different meaning. The word theory is the highest form of explanation you can get. It is the last step of the scientific method. Theory does not mean "a guess" "a hunch" or "a suggestion". It is an explanatory model that explains the available evidence.

In science you start with a premiss. You decide to explain a physical phenomenon. In science you start with observation of your subject. You then, based on that observation construct a hypothesis to explain the phenomenon. You conduct a series of experiments and you try to verify the predictions you make. If you fail, your original hypothesis is cast away and you have to come up with a new one. If you somehow manage to succeed and prove your hypothesis, you submit your findings to something called "peer review" This is where all the relevant scientists in the world try your experiment and try to get the same results as you. If they manage to get different results then what you had, your hypothesis gets rejected- But if the scientists(And this is done 100 of times before accepted as valid) are able to replicate your findings, make the same predictions, your hypothesis has become a "Scientific Theory" It then gets published.

A theory has to be falsifiable and verifiable. You have to be able to empirically test your theory at any given time. And should you discover new evidence that would contradict the theory, you revise the theory. This is done everyday in science.

But calling a theory just a theory, then you are missing out on what that word means

Gravity is also a theory. We have other theories as well. Atomic theory(nuclear technology) Cell theory(Biological cells), Computer theory(how to make a computer), quantum theory(explains how particles operate) and numerous other theories. These are all "just theories" As I said a scientific theory is never a guess of any kind. You can not have a theory without the evidence. The theory of evolution would not be a theory if we did not have all the evidence at our hands.

String Theory and Multiverse theory are called theories because the predictions match 100% But these theories are made out of mathematics.

And yes Stephen Hawking doesn't know everything. No one does. But I don't see that as an argument for a God. The burden of proof is with the people claiming that God exist.


You can not prove that something does not exist. That would be a paradox, because the word existence is a physical definition, and without physical data you can not prove anything. So by default, for something to exist or likely to exist, you have to prove its existence or provide evidence for any probability for such a thing to exist.

The problem with God, is that it is not a theory. It is not even a hypothesis. You can not test it, verify it, falsify it. You can not do anything. That is why I reject the notion of a God, because it lacks 100% of all the evidence of any kind to support it.

Just because we don't know certain things yet, does not mean that some divine being is the likely answer. That is how men and women thought 2-3000 years ago, and guess what came out of that. The Bible. The master of all guessing games in the world.


Just to ad something before this thread goes apeshit.

I talk alot of science shit, but remember this well. Science has NEVER talked about God. Science does not take God into consideration when applied. Scientists can not use God in any scientific test or theory- The reason is simple. God is by definition an "unknown"

Scientists rely on empirical data to be able to work, and God does not provide that.

This is a misconception among many people, who think that science challenges religion. It does not. Religion challenges itself.

A THEORY means that based on some evidence some things can be proven true but it doesn't prove absolute certainty. There still can be questions. A THEORY doesn't prove absolute fact or truth. And scientist do not try to dis-prove that there is a God either. Many scientist will tell you that they do believe in a God or being.

Gravity is a theory that has been proven. Whether you believe in the law of gravity or not, it's effects you can not escape. And understanding the theory of gravity is meaningless. Stephen Hawkins my know the theory of gravity for all it's scientific worth and a village idiot my not know anything, but if the both of them jump off of a building, they are going to hit the ground with the same exact force.

I see the supreme being the same way. Because I don't see a God or force or Being, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

When I look out at the world, I am looking at God or a Supreme Being in it's many many manifested forms. I don't think of God as an individual from a religeous viewpoint.

I think you are getting too wrap up in the term "GOD" Let go of the different religious terms of what God is and look at a FORCE. There is something responsible for all this.

AND STILL ALL THE SCIENTIFIC THEORIES DO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION WHY????
 
I dislike the term "atheism" because it acknowledges theism. Frankly, god is simply a crude explanation to various mysteries that has long since passed its expiration date. Just think of the almighty creator in his infinite existence for a moment. If God has always existed and he has always been the creator, where are his infinite number of creations which came prior to the big bang? Surely if he had been creating things in perpetuity there would be some sign of these creations, unless these creations are of the invisible sort like Angels and Djinns (which are about as substantial as faeries and elves). Plot hole in the mythology.

A talking baby in a cradle (speaking full sentences with correct grammar no less), a girl becoming a mother without male intervention, an invisible race of beings which delivers sacred messages to a chosen few. Truly, there is little need to criticize that which damns itself.
 
Ok, thanks for responding. Nice to chat about something else then Michael, lol.

Well I am an atheist because I do not believe in things that do not have evidence for it.

Also, after reading human history and human psychology, I came to realize that the concept of a God most likely comes from our own imagination. I won't get into it to much, because I don't want to write five pages to explain myself. That I can do on PM.

But for me, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And in all human history, there has been no evidence for anything remotely close to being divine.

The Universe does not require a God to exist, and we know life do not require a God to evolve. When I think about that, and review human history and human thought, I am deeply convinced that religion and the belief in a higher force is nothing but wishful thinking. The Universe is complex, it is old and it is huge. It contains wonders never seen before, and it works on a set of laws, that no longer are laws if we look at the really small(particles) The Universe is a system of chance and probability. It is a maze of posibillities, and it might not be the only one out there. I study a lot of science and quantum mechanics is perhaps the most interesting field. It shows what the Universe really is. It gives you a perspective of the physical world, you cannot get from looking at it in a normal way. We humans simply can not see matter. We only see light and we only see parts of that light. Thanks to technology and science we can look at the building blocks for matter. We can see what energy is and how it changes into matter.

I bet many didn't know this. But matter is actually space. It is emptiness. When you touch something, you actually don't touch anything. Your atoms collide with the atoms of the object you touch, and the electromagnetic force prohibits the two atoms from passing through each other. Hence the reason why objects feel hard or soft etc.

Stuff like this gets your mind going, and after digging your head through it a few times, religion becomes boring.

your last two paragraphs sound like God saying the invisible controls the visible, and that sight is temporal. that is something he says in the Bible.

http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv...=Long&q1=temporal&restrict=All&size=First+100
 
I dislike the term "atheism" because it acknowledges theism. Frankly, god is simply a crude explanation to various mysteries that has long since passed its expiration date. Just think of the almighty creator in his infinite existence for a moment. If God has always existed and he has always been the creator, where are his infinite number of creations which came prior to the big bang? Surely if he had been creating things in perpetuity there would be some sign of these creations, unless these creations are of the invisible sort like Angels and Djinns (which are about as substantial as faeries and elves). Plot hole in the mythology.

A talking baby in a cradle (speaking full sentences with correct grammar no less), a girl becoming a mother without male intervention, an invisible race of beings which delivers sacred messages to a chosen few. Truly, there is little need to criticize that which damns itself.


Very well said Hardcastle...I totally agree 100%!! I couldn't have worded it better myself. :yes:
 
Ok, thanks for responding. Nice to chat about something else then Michael, lol.

Well I am an atheist because I do not believe in things that do not have evidence for it.

Also, after reading human history and human psychology, I came to realize that the concept of a God most likely comes from our own imagination. I won't get into it to much, because I don't want to write five pages to explain myself. That I can do on PM.

But for me, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And in all human history, there has been no evidence for anything remotely close to being divine.

The Universe does not require a God to exist, and we know life do not require a God to evolve. When I think about that, and review human history and human thought, I am deeply convinced that religion and the belief in a higher force is nothing but wishful thinking. The Universe is complex, it is old and it is huge. It contains wonders never seen before, and it works on a set of laws, that no longer are laws if we look at the really small(particles) The Universe is a system of chance and probability. It is a maze of posibillities, and it might not be the only one out there. I study a lot of science and quantum mechanics is perhaps the most interesting field. It shows what the Universe really is. It gives you a perspective of the physical world, you cannot get from looking at it in a normal way. We humans simply can not see matter. We only see light and we only see parts of that light. Thanks to technology and science we can look at the building blocks for matter. We can see what energy is and how it changes into matter.

I bet many didn't know this. But matter is actually space. It is emptiness. When you touch something, you actually don't touch anything. Your atoms collide with the atoms of the object you touch, and the electromagnetic force prohibits the two atoms from passing through each other. Hence the reason why objects feel hard or soft etc.

Stuff like this gets your mind going, and after digging your head through it a few times, religion becomes boring.

Interesting....

But there is one question that must be answered:

What happened that made these atoms get here? What makes that electromagnetic force stop from letting these atoms go right through each other? Who or what does that?
 
Interesting....

But there is one question that must be answered:

What happened that made these atoms get here? What makes that electromagnetic force stop from letting these atoms go right through each other? Who or what does that?

God has often been used to answer the things we do not yet know or understand, just because there is no scientific explanation let us not quickly jump to the idea 'oh it must be God'. We once thought God created life in a very exact manner but we can now explain how we came to have 4 limbs and 2 eyes through evolution.

Maybe the atoms where ALWAYS there, who says there has to be finite starting point! (Speculation on my part of course)
 
I remember the old atheist thread. It went on forever. I hope this one does too.

It's such a good feeling to acknowledge that there is no god. It just seems to take a huge weight off your shoulders. Many people go through life questioning if there is a god. It's so fulfilling to finally acknowledge that there isn't. And then you realise every time you do something nice you are just being good for goodness sake. Every time a human being accomplishes something great it wasn't the work of god it was the work of humanity. We have the power and goodness inside of us to do great things and it doesn't come from anything or anybody but ourselves. It's such a beautiful realisation. It really warms my heart when I just think about how there is no creator, there is no divine dictator, there is no one watching over us carefully guiding us through the plan he had for us. We do it all ourselves. It gives you such a great love for humanity and the power of the individual. And when you acknowledge there is no god, you just feel so free. As they say, the truth will set you free. It really is a wonderful feeling. "There is no god"... it feels so good to say it!
 
God has often been used to answer the things we do not yet know or understand, just because there is no scientific explanation let us not quickly jump to the idea 'oh it must be God'. We once thought God created life in a very exact manner but we can now explain how we came to have 4 limbs and 2 eyes through evolution.

Maybe the atoms where ALWAYS there, who says there has to be finite starting point! (Speculation on my part of course)

You might be right. Maybe the Atom is God. It seems that every living thing or none living thing is made up of an Atom or atoms...:cheeky:
 
Very well said Hardcastle...I totally agree 100%!! I couldn't have worded it better myself. :yes:

Thanks Steve. It is good to know that someone else shares my sentiments regarding religion on this message board.

Every time a human being accomplishes something great it wasn't the work of god it was the work of humanity.

Indeed. It's always good to be respectful but giving credit to god is a wasted opportunity to compliment and pay respect to very real living and breathing individuals.
 
A THEORY means that based on some evidence some things can be proven true but it doesn't prove absolute certainty. There still can be questions. A THEORY doesn't prove absolute fact or truth. And scientist do not try to dis-prove that there is a God either. Many scientist will tell you that they do believe in a God or being.

Gravity is a theory that has been proven. Whether you believe in the law of gravity or not, it's effects you can not escape. And understanding the theory of gravity is meaningless. Stephen Hawkins my know the theory of gravity for all it's scientific worth and a village idiot my not know anything, but if the both of them jump off of a building, they are going to hit the ground with the same exact force.

I see the supreme being the same way. Because I don't see a God or force or Being, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

When I look out at the world, I am looking at God or a Supreme Being in it's many many manifested forms. I don't think of God as an individual from a religeous viewpoint.

I think you are getting too wrap up in the term "GOD" Let go of the different religious terms of what God is and look at a FORCE. There is something responsible for all this.

AND STILL ALL THE SCIENTIFIC THEORIES DO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION WHY????

A theory never proves anything. Gravity has been proven, but the theory still exists. A theory is only meant to explain evidence, not prove anything.

Here, I'll give a link at the bottom to a site that explains a Scientific Theory in detail.

Remember we are talking about "Scientific Theory" It holds a special meaning and it is important to understand what it means.

No one denies that something is responsible for the Universe. Scientists are open to this idea. they just have a rule wich never changes. Just because you don't know the answer, you don't go about making things up. You investigate and try to find out. Religion does not do that. And God came from people who did not know, and religion was created by those people. The point is that it does not get us anywhere just believing stuff without reason.

The modern world would not exist if everyone thought like that. We would not be talking to each other right now if people thought like that.

No one can justify a belief in God by rational means, and that is why I don't believe.

And again, you are using this notion that because I can not prove to you that God does not exist, there is a chance it might exist. That is a logical fallacy.

You can not disprove The Flying Spaghetti Monster, so that means there must be a chance it exists. See my point here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory


Also here is a thought that might get people thinking.

Why do we not believe Michael is a pedophile? Because we investigated the available evidence and it was empirically demonstrated to us that this was a lie.

What about the people who believe he is a pedophile? Do they have some form of empirical evidence that he is? No. They read a newspaper and heard he was accused and assumed that this was true.

Now, please understand this analogy.

ALL of you heard about God from either your parents or a priest, in school or somewhere else. Some of you believed it without thinking about it. Even I did as a child. Some of you as you grew older started to question your belief. You applied critical thinking and you investigated the available evidence. Some of you discovered that there IS no evidence, so you thought to yourself "Hey why do I believe this"

I rarely encounter people with faith who actually cares why they believe. The belief is there for self assurance. people fear death, they need purpose and sometime people get lost. I understand that religion can be an answer for some, but I disagree that it is a good answer. Some people feel good having faith, but that again is in my opinion irrelevant when it comes to the truth aspect of it. Drugs make you feel good also, but does that mean everyone should take drugs?

I think humanity would be better off without religion and blind faith. We have shown so many times throughout human history that logic and reason makes the world go forward.

Atheistic countries are more peaceful and prosper.
 
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Interesting....

But there is one question that must be answered:

What happened that made these atoms get here? What makes that electromagnetic force stop from letting these atoms go right through each other? Who or what does that?

Read about The Second Law of Thermodynamics, and you will get your answer:)

I recommend reading quantum theory. It takes a while to wrap your head around it, but once you get the hang of it, these questions become somewhat answered. You will know eventually what I mean by somewhat;)
 
;A theory never proves anything. Gravity has been proven, but the theory still exists. A theory is only meant to explain evidence, not prove anything.

Here, I'll give a link at the bottom to a site that explains a Scientific Theory in detail.

Remember we are talking about "Scientific Theory" It holds a special meaning and it is important to understand what it means.

No one denies that something is responsible for the Universe. Scientists are open to this idea. they just have a rule wich never changes. Just because you don't know the answer, you don't go about making things up. You investigate and try to find out. Religion does not do that. And God came from people who did not know, and religion was created by those people. The point is that it does not get us anywhere just believing stuff without reason.

The modern world would not exist if everyone thought like that. We would not be talking to each other right now if people thought like that.

No one can justify a belief in God by rational means, and that is why I don't believe.

And again, you are using this notion that because I can not prove to you that God does not exist, there is a chance it might exist. That is a logical fallacy.

You can not disprove The Flying Spaghetti Monster, so that means there must be a chance it exists. See my point here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory


Also here is a thought that might get people thinking.

Why do we not believe Michael is a pedophile? Because we investigated the available evidence and it was empirically demonstrated to us that this was a lie.

What about the people who believe he is a pedophile? Do they have some form of empirical evidence that he is? No. They read a newspaper and heard he was accused and assumed that this was true.

Now, please understand this analogy.

ALL of you heard about God from either your parents or a priest, in school or somewhere else. Some of you believed it without thinking about it. Even I did as a child. Some of you as you grew older started to question your belief. You applied critical thinking and you investigated the available evidence. Some of you discovered that there IS no evidence, so you thought to yourself "Hey why do I believe this"

I rarely encounter people with faith who actually cares why they believe. The belief is there for self assurance. people fear death, they need purpose and sometime people get lost. I understand that religion can be an answer for some, but I disagree that it is a good answer. Some people feel good having faith, but that again is in my opinion irrelevant when it comes to the truth aspect of it. Drugs make you feel good also, but does that mean everyone should take drugs?

I think humanity would be better off without religion and blind faith. We have shown so many times throughout human history that logic and reason makes the world go forward.

Atheistic countries are more peaceful and prosper.

to the bolded quotes:

what is evidence without proof and what is proof without evidence?

you are discounting a whole group of people who got somewhere with their religion.

how is there logic and reason, when you keep ending up with another question to your findings?

the united states remains a peaceful and prosperous nation, and has religion, alongside people who do not believe.

there are plenty of people who can tell you proof of their relationship with God, but it is your choice to dismiss them, so that's how it can compare to Michael's trial.
 
Read about The Second Law of Thermodynamics, and you will get your answer:)

I recommend reading quantum theory. It takes a while to wrap your head around it, but once you get the hang of it, these questions become somewhat answered. You will know eventually what I mean by somewhat;)

to me, the word 'somewhat' should never be entered. either it's total, or not. otherwise you are in the same boat with people of faith, who will, by the way, argue that they have unmitigated evidence of their faith.

the difference between them and you, is that they say they have a total answer. but saying that offends some people.

ultimately, no matter how much reading is done, of the Bible, or, of your suggestions, people will either choose to dismiss or not dismiss on both sides of the equation. it's up to them.
 
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