Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

wow..is this just a beginning :(
question, can Sony do this digital remaster without consulting MJ's estate executor?

I wonder about that too...unless they have ties with Sony maybe. That's just a thought. But I'd really like to know.

I wonder if this remaster of the Beatle's music would have still been out if Michael were still alive.......
 
I wonder if this remaster of the Beatle's music would have still been out if Michael were still alive.......

IMO this has been in the works for some time. It is near to impossible to do this remaster, prep it, produce it, package it, sell it.........in a couple months. So.........to your last point, I think I would say yes....it was probably already coming out, and would come out if...well, I can barely say it....if what happened had not happened.

not to mention the article from USA says, "The long and winding road to 09/09/09 began four years ago when Abbey Road engineers in London got the green light to transfer The Beatles tunes from analog tape to digital."...........this is probably a reasonable amount of time to pull this type of project together.
 
Thanks for that link, interesting. I wonder if this has anything to do with Michael's death as Paul McCartney was in talks as soon as Michael died.

Do you think Murray was involved at all?I thought he was the fall guy at first? he stil is to some degree as if he is a freemason he would have to do what they want, but someone else could have administered the lethal amount of propofol in reality. I think it is possible that he was meant to be dead from the drugs administered the night before in the morning, but he wasn't dead so they had to kill him and wait for him to die that is why there was all the delays with calling emergency as the plan went wrong and they had to wait for him to be dead. The amount of propofol murray gave michael 25mg wouldn't kill anyone according to experts, but someone gave him a lethal amount. His lawyer made a statement to say that the time line was wrong on affidavit and that he found Michael not breathing at 10.40 am was not obtained by police interview but was just police theory. AEG SONY and Dr Tohme and Branca are involved.

Oh he was for sure involved. I just do not think he was the actual hitman. The Professionals usually have more than one assassin on someone this big.
Remember Lee Harvey Oswald? Murray's greatest strength maybe that he really did not kill anyone. I think were more people present than we know. This could be why 911 was called after MJ was already dead.


wow..is this just a beginning :(
question, can Sony do this digital remaster without consulting MJ's estate executor?

This should be the case but Branca probably already gave them the "green light" while ignoring Katherines wishes.


I wonder about that too...unless they have ties with Sony maybe. That's just a thought. But I'd really like to know.

I wonder if this remaster of the Beatle's music would have still been out if Michael were still alive.......

Probably so It seems like MJ was just about to earn hundreds of millions of dollars in 2009 then "this happens". The fortune his name is earning is the nail in the coffin(so to speak) that it is murder and was planned.
 
Oh he was for sure involved. I just do not think he was the actual hitman. The Professionals usually have more than one assassin on someone this big.
Remember Lee Harvey Oswald? Murray's greatest strength maybe that he really did not kill anyone. I think were more people present than we know. This could be why 911 was called after MJ was already dead.




This should be the case but Branca probably already gave them the "green light" while ignoring Katherines wishes.





Probably so It seems like MJ was just about to earn hundreds of millions of dollars in 2009 then "this happens". The fortune his name is earning is the nail in the coffin(so to speak) that it is murder and was planned.


Excellent post and very informative, thank you for posting.
 
JACKSON'S TRAGIC 'TRANCE'
THOUGHT DYING DAD WAS JOKING* GUARD CALLED KIN, THEN 911: PAL
By CYNTHIA R. FAGEN and LUKAS I. ALPERT
Last Updated: 5:06 PM, June 28, 2009

...............Brown said he was told that when Jackson went into cardiac arrest, he was in the living room of the $100,000-per-month Los Angeles rental with the 12-year-old boy -- whose full name is "Prince" Michael Joseph Jackson Jr.

Also there were the pop star's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, his longtime friend and one-time manager, Frank DiLeo, and a security guard named Tippy.

That morning, Jackson had been packing up his things in preparation to go to London for an upcoming series of 50 concerts there.

At around 11:30 a.m., Michael was given a shot of Demerol and soon collapsed on the living-room floor, Brown said.

"The guard and the doctor picked him up and put him on the bed from the living room, and that's when they started CPR," he said.

"The doctor said he was 'very pale and cold to the touch,' " he added, citing what he was told by relatives.

As Murray worked on Jackson, Tippy first reached out for the pop singer's father, Joseph, in Las Vegas, to tell him something was wrong.

"Joseph screamed at them to call for help," he said. "A huge commotion ensued about why 911 wasn't being called and why he wasn't getting help."

Brown says Tippy then called 911. According to the Los Angeles Fire Department, the call was received at 12:21 p.m.

Jackson was rushed to UCLA Medical Center, where doctors shocked his heart and inserted a breathing tube to try to revive him, but were unsuccessful. He was declared dead at 2:26 p.m. West Coast time.

Prince was picked up from the house by a Jackson cousin and taken to the hospital where his grandmother, Katherine, met him.

Jackson's other children -- Paris Michael Katherine Jackson, 11, and Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson II, 7 -- were home at the time of his collapse, but did not see their father die. They were taken to the grandparents' compound in Encino, Calif.
http://www.nypost.co...peMPBrJnd2QlgQL
 
I included my critique to this quote

JACKSON'S TRAGIC 'TRANCE'
THOUGHT DYING DAD WAS JOKING* GUARD CALLED KIN, THEN 911: PAL
By CYNTHIA R. FAGEN and LUKAS I. ALPERT
Last Updated: 5:06 PM, June 28, 2009
...............Brown said he was told that when Jackson went into cardiac arrest, he was in the living room of the $100,000-per-month Los Angeles rental with the 12-year-old boy -- (Why not say his son?)whose full name is "Prince" Michael Joseph Jackson Jr.

Also there were the pop star's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray,(Hired a few weeks ago by AEG) his longtime friend and one-time manager, Frank DiLeo,If true this was not mentioned before;why was he there? and a security guard named Tippy.What is his REAL NAME; you call yourself a reporter.

That morning, Jackson had been packing up his things in preparation to go to London for an upcoming series of 50 concerts there. Ready for the concerts, ready to do all the shows and why he had to be killed.

At around 11:30 a.m., Michael was given a shot of Demerol (Why? The shot was doped to kill Jackson) and soon collapsed on the living-room floor, Brown said.

"The guard and the doctor picked him up and put him on the bed from the living room, and that's when they started CPR,"he said.
CPR is never done on a bed; a doctor knows this; yet the media says this a if it was appropriate to do this; media deception.

"The doctor said he was 'very pale and cold to the touch,' " he added, citing what he was told by relatives.

As Murray worked on Jackson,(finishing the job he was paid for) Tippy first reached out for the pop singer's father, Joseph, in Las Vegas, to tell him something was wrong.
Why call his father who is in another state?

"Joseph screamed at them to call for help," he said. "A huge commotion ensued about why 911 wasn't being called and why he wasn't getting help."Thank you Joe.

Brown says Tippy then called 911. According to the Los Angeles Fire Department, the call was received at 12:21 p.m. Was "Tippy" dilerately staging an arguement with Joe (nearly an hour)to delay 911?

Jackson was rushed (this is a lie if we are to believe what we have just read above) to UCLA Medical Center, where doctors shocked his heart and inserted a breathing tube to try to revive him, but were unsuccessful. He was declared dead at 2:26 p.m. West Coast time.

Prince was picked up from the house by a Jackson cousin and taken to the hospital where his grandmother, Katherine, met him.

Jackson's other children -- Paris Michael Katherine Jackson, 11, and Prince Michael "Blanket" Jackson II, 7 -- were home at the time of his collapse, but did not see their father die. They were taken to the grandparents' compound in Encino, Calif.
http://www.nypost.co...peMPBrJnd2QlgQL


The murder of Michael Jackson version 22.2.

Note the media never asking why was Jackson given this drug at 11:30 am nor the others I placed in this latest "story". This is done with reason and purpose. The Media has spent 100s of millions in airtime to make you believe this. Ask yourselves why?
 
Michael was gone way before 11:30 California time. And I thought this too, could he have been given a hot shot, a Mickey, to knock him out so Conrad could inject all these drugs in him? No way was he begging for dope. He was trying to do his concerts?

I wonder if Prince really was there. I had a dream June 26 that Michael was laying down calling for Prince to come help him.
 
Michael was gone way before 11:30 California time. And I thought this too, could he have been given a hot shot, a Mickey, to knock him out so Conrad could inject all these drugs in him? No way was he begging for dope. He was trying to do his concerts?

I wonder if Prince really was there. I had a dream June 26 that Michael was laying down calling for Prince to come help him.


Yes Michael was given a "HOTSHOT" first but this was the drug that immobilized him "only" Michael Jacksons was KIDNAPPED before he was MURDERED, Michael killers made him watch them MURDER him. I believe they videotaped the whole thing and will use it in a MOVIE just watch, that will not be a double that will be MICHAEL JACKSON you will be watching being murdered. Thats why his KILLERS must be stopped NOW. They still have future plans for Michael the HATE they had for him is now just being displayed in their SHOPPING SPREES they have other plans for him and they are counting on his FANS to HELP. Michael Jackson was long dead before the SUN arose on June 25, 2009.
 
My nerves is so bad I had to say something off to class talk to u all soon.

Trust me this was a perfect murder now all of the sudden MJ was a drug addict how come he wasn't getting ragged in the media when he was alive it’s a lot of stuff me and my friends figure out he said to much especially when he spoke on racism when he came to NY like MJ had a lot against him. I just can’t see MJ not wanting to be around his family, friends ETC. He was being control the truth will come out ever sense my dude won that molestation case all odds was against him. Especially when he became a father I mean he had so many wrongful people in his life doing him wrong “vultures”. They got him right where they wanted him on that fatal night he had no chances come on Dr. Murray knew better not to give him that drug he knows it kills u if not use correctly. I have to pray hard like the dream I had a bout MJ mess my mind up badly usually when I have these dreams it comes to light. My great-grandmother was a physic my family use to be scared to go see her. not saying I am one just my deep dreams come true the only thing Dr. Murray didn’t act alone some one else was there my dream showed me it was accident that went badly but them people didn’t care any way. I couldn’t even sleep I came in my living room and stare at MJ poster and even broke down. God bless him may he get justice and rest in peace
 
When trying to solve a murder follow the money.
In this case, a lot of money will be going to the Sony Corporation.
In 2008 Sony was losing money, now well its making tons of money
off its prepackaged Michael Jackson recordings. Remember when we use to wonder why Sony kept putting out so many Michael Jackson catalogue CD's? "How convenient. "

Read this 2008 Article about Sony suffering big financial losses:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/sony-slides-to-record-loss.ars
Sony slides to first annual loss in 14 years

Note: ¥=money in Yens

The company's preliminary results for its fiscal third quarter of 2008 show a record loss for the electronics giant, and it has revised its full-year forecast down. More changes and corporate restructuring are planned, but specifics won't be made public until later in the year.
By John Timmer | Last updated January 22, 2009 12:24 PM CT


The last 24 hours have provided what might be called a "three bears" take on the impact on of the global economic problems. Apple, on the hot side, saw its sales growth come to a halt in several product categories, but managed to keep growing its profits. Microsoft was in the middle, with revenue staying steady as its profits slid slightly. That leaves Sony's earnings, announced today in Tokyo, to occupy the cold end of the spectrum, with a 25 percent drop in year-over-year income and a loss of ¥18 billion (about $200 million), although the company squeaked out a small gain after restructuring charges were considered.

The results are considered preliminary, but Sony broke out some of the numbers during its conference call. A lot of the pain came from its financial services division, which came in ¥60 billion lower, and electronics, which took at ¥35 billion hit. The strengthening Yen caused about ¥40 billion worth of troubles for Sony's exports. Games were a bright spot, as the company specifically mentioned game sales as having offset some of the losses in other divisions.

More striking than the third quarter, however, is how much worse Sony expects things to get in its fourth. It last provided guidance for the full fiscal year in October, and it has been forced to make major revisions to those numbers. Back in October, it was expecting to see about ¥9 trillion in sales; that number has now dropped to ¥7.7 trillion, and the drop has taken the annual profit with it. Instead of a net income of ¥150 million, it's now expecting a loss of that value. In fact, just about the only figure to go up in the revised numbers is the restructuring charges Sony is expect to be dealing with.

By segments, electronics account for ¥340 billion of its problems. Forecast LCD TV sales have been revised downwards by 10 million (to 50 million) and Vaio PCs are now expected to be down by a million from the October estimate of 6.8 million. The PS3 remains on track to sell 10 million units during the year, but the growth of the PSP is slowing down, so gaming has not escaped unscathed.

Making matters even worse, its Sony Ericsson group announced poor results last week: its most recent quarter brought in a loss that took the entire year into the red, and represented a 500 million Euro drop from the same quarter year before.

The most serious financial problems for Sony appear to be the strengthening of the Yen and the fall of the Tokyo stock market. The former makes the cost of its products rise in most markets, while the latter has hammered the company's investments and financial services branch. The company is also caught up in the wider slowdown; CEO Howard Stringer noted in the press conference accompanying this announcement that "some of our biggest retailers have been liquidated."
There's nothing much Sony can do about any of this, but it could possibly overcome it if it actually had compelling products and a clear plan for integrating them. Stringer claimed to have a plan that would involve a change of corporate culture—"we will execute more quickly, and move beyond our traditional impulse towards consensus," he claimed. That would allow it to bring products to market more quickly than it has in the past, and the focus of these products would be on providing a better experience in an increasingly networked home.
Unfortunately, Stringer has been talking about bringing change to Sony for a while now, and there's no obvious indication that its corporate culture is significantly different. Meanwhile, the actual details regarding the new product strategy won't be disclosed until sometime in the spring. So far, the markets have been very skeptical that anything truly new is going to happen as a result of these announcements—Sony's stock has fallen by nearly 16 percent as of last check.





I agree with you...whenever something shady is going on follow the money and see where it leads. Who has the most to gain?
 
I am well aware than Sony can (and has) made or broken careers depending on how much the artist plays ball or are in favour.
I worked in the industry when Prince was fighting Warner Bros and his albums were buried while Mariah's albums were promoted the hell out of. I also saw what happened to Mariah when she fell out of favour.

However it is one hell of a step from that, to murdering an artist.

If they wanted to shut someone up surely they would have started with George Michael when he sued them in the mid 90's and (if he had won) would have blown the entire recording industry open wide.

I am not saying that they definitely didn't do it, because we do not know what happened to Michael, I am just saying I find it very hard to believe they killed him in cold blood.

I'm not saying the George Michael didn't bear any responsibility for what happened in that bathroom, but was he arrested in the midst of his lawsuit? :)
 
Firpo Carr, former Jackson family spokeperson talked with Jane Velez-Mitchell and said MJ was afraid of being murdered.

Here's the transcript:
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, listen, Joe Jackson is the one who said, Firpo, that he felt his son had died long before he was taken to the hospital.

FIRPO CARR: Absolutely. And that`s a very important element.

We`re overlooking something here that I think we definitely need to consider. That is this. What if, just what if, it may be a stretch, that this was planned? That it was a murder? What if, what if?

BLOOM: Why though? What would the motive be?

CARR: Michael called me, just like he told Dick Gregory, he called me and said, listen, they`re after my Beatles collection.

BLOOM: Who`s they? Who?

CARR: Whoever they are.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, conspiracy

------

Another transcript - a clip by Randi Kaye talking about Dick Gregory.
RANDI KAYE, : Jackson`s parents called him and said that Michael wasn`t well, can he come and help him? A few days before the trial ended, Dick Gregory told me that he went back to Neverland with Michael Jackson, that Jackson hugged him and said, quote, "Please don`t leave me. They`re trying to kill me."

Gregory says he asked Jackson when the last time he ate was, because he didn`t look well, and that Jackson told him, quote, "They`re trying to poison me." He asked him when he last drank water. He said Jackson told him, again, quote, "They`re trying to kill me."

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was Randi Kaye telling Anderson Cooper what Jackson`s friend, the famous comedian Dick Gregory, had to say about Michael Jackson`s state of mind and general health just days before his molestation trial ended. And as you heard, there, he was reportedly paranoid that somebody was trying to kill him.

http://www.edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/24/ijvm.01.html

Regarding Velez's statement: she can be all over it when a boy accuses MJ of molestation, but if someone mentions that Michael felt his life was in danger because of the Sony catalogue, all of a sudden it's a conspiracy. Well, why wasn't it a conspiracy of gold diggers when Michael was accused?
 
I think you have picked up something there on the timing. The chef said about what MJ had for breakfast. Was it normal for him to lie in so late, and why would his doc be sleeping at that time.

AND WHY ARENT THE PRESS PICKING THINGS UP AND TRYING TO DO SOME INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM - OH YES THATS BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL PART OF THE SAME 'SOCIETY'

Yes! TPTB control the media.
 
I included my critique to this quote
Thank you for adding your critiques.

I have added some of my comments:

JACKSON'S TRAGIC 'TRANCE was published on June 28, 2009. I believe it could have had little truth, as it came 3 days later.

Frank DiLeo was in the house when Michael died? We all know there more than one person with the doc. Frank was there to make sure that Murray and security guard completed their job. Then he took off before paramedics got there.

Security guard’s name Alberto ‘Tippy’ Alveraz – I found out that in another fans forum.

Michael was going to leave for London on June 25th and he was packing in the morning?

Exactly, if Michael was about to catch a flight, why he was injected with Demerol at 11:30 am?

Security guard and the doc carried Michael. – This should be true as we read that there were marks on Michael’s body.

The doctor said Michael was cold – doc tried to explain (another lie) why heater was on.

Security guard first called Joe Jackson – read somewhere the family was at the hospital even before paramedics brought Michael in.

Tippy, Murray and Frank took time to clean up the evidence etc, before called 911.

Nah, Michael never been rushed to the hospital – Ambulance took time to reverse and get out on road, no siren was on, Oxygen/breathing mask wasn’t even put up properly on Michael to cover his nose and mouth, and took 30 min (?) to get the hospital.
 
Yes Michael was given a "HOTSHOT" first but this was the drug that immobilized him "only" Michael Jacksons was KIDNAPPED before he was MURDERED, Michael killers made him watch them MURDER him. I believe they videotaped the whole thing and will use it in a MOVIE just watch, that will not be a double that will be MICHAEL JACKSON you will be watching being murdered. Thats why his KILLERS must be stopped NOW. They still have future plans for Michael the HATE they had for him is now just being displayed in their SHOPPING SPREES they have other plans for him and they are counting on his FANS to HELP. Michael Jackson was long dead before the SUN arose on June 25, 2009.
It gives me chill. However I believe in everything you've said. Of course there is going to be a movie, fans would be watching without knowing that was ....
 
Thank you for adding your critiques.

I have added some of my comments:

JACKSON'S TRAGIC 'TRANCE was published on June 28, 2009. I believe it could have had little truth, as it came 3 days later.

Frank DiLeo was in the house when Michael died? We all know there more than one person with the doc. Frank was there to make sure that Murray and security guard completed their job. Then he took off before paramedics got there.

Security guard’s name Alberto ‘Tippy’ Alveraz – I found out that in another fans forum.

Michael was going to leave for London on June 25th and he was packing in the morning?

Exactly, if Michael was about to catch a flight, why he was injected with Demerol at 11:30 am?

Security guard and the doc carried Michael. – This should be true as we read that there were marks on Michael’s body.

The doctor said Michael was cold – doc tried to explain (another lie) why heater was on.

Security guard first called Joe Jackson – read somewhere the family was at the hospital even before paramedics brought Michael in.

Tippy, Murray and Frank took time to clean up the evidence etc, before called 911.

Nah, Michael never been rushed to the hospital – Ambulance took time to reverse and get out on road, no siren was on, Oxygen/breathing mask wasn’t even put up properly on Michael to cover his nose and mouth, and took 30 min (?) to get the hospital.

Agreed some serious deception happened that day.



It gives me chill. However I believe in everything you've said. Of course there is going to be a movie, fans would be watching without knowing that was ....

When will some fans wake the hell up?
 
It gives me chill. However I believe in everything you've said. Of course there is going to be a movie, fans would be watching without knowing that was ....

Could you explain a bit better what do you mean? It looks scary to me.....:(

PS. Some data has disappeared from this thread. I was posting here and it is gone.... .
 
I wonder if another film about his life would ever be in the works....This whole muder topic is interesting. He was murdered anyway. :cry:

Two have been done (the 1992 film was great, the VH1 film was terrible) so I can imagine a definitive one may be in the works. Like Ray, Walk The Line and Selena...
 
Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. I just have some questions, like everyone else does, I guess.

What if Murray is telling the truth, and only gave MJ the 25 mg of Propofol that night, as he says. What if someone else gained access to MJ while Murray was on the phone, or not there. Someone from the increased personnel MJ suddenly had closer to the night of his death. Someone who might have increased the dose dramatically, resulting in the 'acute toxicity' evaluation. I just have difficulty accepting that the doctor was so incredibly stupid. Not to excuse his role in this either though; he obviously should not have been doing what he did, and his behaviour has been despicable. But if someone wanted MJ dead, then here was a perfect opportunity to kill him, and implicate Murray as being entirely responsible.

Why did MJ decide to do this tour when he hates touring, and had no new album to promote yet. By all accounts, MJ seemed to be doing well until a few weeks before the scheduled concerts, around the time Murray came along, and then had increased visits to Klein. He seemed into this concert series initially. So what caused MJ to feel the need for Murray's (and Klein's) 'assistance.' Why the weight loss. why was he sooo stressed. Did he feel he wasn't ready? Or were some people doing things to him to make him miserable...

Does anyone believe there's any truth to the reports from Russia FSB saying that the CIA was behind MJ's death? That they were using Directed Energy Weapons against him? Was MJ a political and/or social risk factor.

I'm just looking at any possible hypothesis here. Trying desperately to make some sense from all of it. I hope Trish and her forum members are able to find answers with what little there is to go on. I would try to help, but I'm having difficulty; this has taken a toll on my sanity. But my mind still keeps questioning what happened...
 
I don't understand anymore:was it a cardiac arrest or not:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauHdberFw8

Wow, Randy Phillips hates Michael, he called him manipulative and says he was perfectly healthy but just forgot to eat and he says they gave him his food, chicken and broccoli, but Michael hated broccoli, In the trial it was on his flight plan as one of the foods he avoided.

He also says they were working on him in the hospital, he is lying and on the cover up. Michael had blood lividity he had been dead hours before emergency was called

Perhaps this interview is a reaction to the this is not it campaign.
 
^ I agree; I think Randy's lying as well.

There were several comments made in this interview that were cringe-worthy. The stuff about MJ "knowing how to twist my arm" to get what he wanted.

The arguing with MJ about being late; wonder why he was late...

I'd say Randy's in on it too.

It could very well be a reaction to the this is not it campaign.
 
Wow, Randy Phillips hates Michael, he called him manipulative and says he was perfectly healthy but just forgot to eat and he says they gave him his food, chicken and broccoli, but Michael hated broccoli, In the trial it was on his flight plan as one of the foods he avoided.

He also says they were working on him in the hospital, he is lying and on the cover up. Michael had blood lividity he had been dead hours before emergency was called

Perhaps this interview is a reaction to the this is not it campaign.


Who forgets to eat???

He is lying alright!

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Sorry if this has been discussed earlier. I just have some questions, like everyone else does, I guess.

What if Murray is telling the truth, and only gave MJ the 25 mg of Propofol that night, as he says. What if someone else gained access to MJ while Murray was on the phone, or not there. Someone from the increased personnel MJ suddenly had closer to the night of his death. Someone who might have increased the dose dramatically, resulting in the 'acute toxicity' evaluation. I just have difficulty accepting that the doctor was so incredibly stupid. Not to excuse his role in this either though; he obviously should not have been doing what he did, and his behaviour has been despicable. But if someone wanted MJ dead, then here was a perfect opportunity to kill him, and implicate Murray as being entirely responsible.

This is very possible. I think Murray could be a fallguy. Why murder someone who is the reason you(hired by AEG) will get $150,000 a month?

He also could be a strawman and knowing he will never be charged nor jailed was serving another agenda and is the tool of others behind the curtains.

Why did MJ decide to do this tour when he hates touring, and had no new album to promote yet. By all accounts, MJ seemed to be doing well until a few weeks before the scheduled concerts, around the time Murray came along, and then had increased visits to Klein. He seemed into this concert series initially. So what caused MJ to feel the need for Murray's (and Klein's) 'assistance.' Why the weight loss. why was he sooo stressed. Did he feel he wasn't ready? Or were some people doing things to him to make him miserable...

I believe MJ would have completed the tours. So I agree with the latter. Others were definately involved an I believe were poisioning him but it was "not fast enough" he had to be "found in America" (LA/ Hollywood) If he were in the UK the investigation would be REAL and arrests would have been made. Many qestions mat go unanswered because the major media is 100% involved in this murder and cover-up.

Does anyone believe there's any truth to the reports from Russia FSB saying that the CIA was behind MJ's death? That they were using Directed Energy Weapons against him? Was MJ a political and/or social risk factor.

No I do not; this is total mis-information planted by the media to cause confusion and to mislead you. The people who had MJ murdered(perhaps from Propofol or something else) are the PTB in the Hollywood entertainment industry. The motive was jealousy, revenge and the control of SONY/ATV catalog and the fact that Jackson was independent; he was not a SONY artist he was the 50% OWNER of this multi billion dollar company. The most valuble in the music business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW1T1DZdWrA
Watch @ 3:16 till the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q94H7-bKNxo&feature=related
Watch( his death warrant was signed after this)

I'm just looking at any possible hypothesis here. Trying desperately to make some sense from all of it. I hope Trish and her forum members are able to find answers with what little there is to go on. I would try to help, but I'm having difficulty; this has taken a toll on my sanity. But my mind still keeps questioning what happened...

Think about and question everything you are told. The Media is lying to us. Remember what Michael said and was trying to do he always said "the best was yet to come." But some one and or group stop this. Also I believe the "This Is It" title is more than just a name for a concert.



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There is more to this than will ever be seen.
 
Hello,

When Leonard Rowe appeared on Larry King with Joseph

on July 20th, he said more than once that there was a

lot of suspicious activity surrounding M.J during the last

days. Has he done any more interviews where he elaborates

on what he saw as suspicious activity?
 
This is very possible. I think Murray could be a fallguy. Why murder someone who is the reason you(hired by AEG) will get $150,000 a month?

He also could be a strawman and knowing he will never be charged nor jailed was serving another agenda and is the tool of others behind the curtains.



I believe MJ would have completed the tours. So I agree with the latter. Others were definately involved an I believe were poisioning him but it was "not fast enough" he had to be "found in America" (LA/ Hollywood) If he were in the UK the investigation would be REAL and arrests would have been made. Many qestions mat go unanswered because the major media is 100% involved in this murder and cover-up.



No I do not; this is total mis-information planted by the media to cause confusion and to mislead you. The people who had MJ murdered(perhaps from Propofol or something else) are the PTB in the Hollywood entertainment industry. The motive was jealousy, revenge and the control of SONY/ATV catalog and the fact that Jackson was independent; he was not a SONY artist he was the 50% OWNER of this multi billion dollar company. The most valuble in the music business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW1T1DZdWrA
Watch @ 3:16 till the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q94H7-bKNxo&feature=related
Watch( his death warrant was signed after this)



Think about and question everything you are told. The Media is lying to us. Remember what Michael said and was trying to do he always said "the best was yet to come." But some one and or group stop this. Also I believe the "This Is It" title is more than just a name for a concert.



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There is more to this than will ever be seen.


Yes, Murray has no reason to kill Michael. I was thinking about it before and I think too that it is possible that somebody knew the time when Murray is going to give him anesthetic. The police has to check everybody who was in the house, including the security guards etc. To put everything on Dr. Murray is too simple solution.
What do you think the title “This is It” could mean?
 
Iheard Michael Bearden say on radio interview "This is it" title meant from Michael view that this was the last chance to heal our world, with love and peaceI've heard this from several sources, it could have a double meaning in that Michael thought it meant that,but others had another meaning for the name.

the meaning of the title discussed in this thread

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=76441
 
I wonder if another film about his life would ever be in the works....This whole muder topic is interesting. He was murdered anyway. :cry:

Two have been done (the 1992 film was great, the VH1 film was terrible) so I can imagine a definitive one may be in the works. Like Ray, Walk The Line and Selena...

I hope another film will be made. I want to contact Michael Moore and spell out some facts and things not adding up to get his interest and maybe hopefully he'll bite and dive into it.
The global corporate angle of the music industry should not be left out.
So far I have only found postal addresses, no e-mail addresses.
 
It's good that there is still this discussion going on about the case. As I said in the following post of last week -

I for one will not go see this movie. I am waiting for justice, feel no peace, and can't get any answers. When the killers (more than one involved since this was not an accident) are caught then I will see the movie and finally Mike can have his justice.

We need to spend more time focused on justice and less time making AEG and Sony and the suits rich. I need all of you to do this. Please

I personally don't want to get distracted by media. The thousands of MJ friends need to get back to this work after the movie is over. You must be the detectives because the truth will get watered down and flushed down the tubes. So please please... don't forget.
 
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