MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

cissy ain't do shit and pardon my french but honestly. the only one to get to whitney was her child. and bobby kris is old enough. mike was in and out. obviously clean on his autopsy. obviously not abusing it enough to cause multi organ failure so?

what are we talkign about here? insomnia and stress so bad that he couldn't sleep. that needs a ssleep study not an intervention
 
I have heard the same thing too. Michael didn't want Frank back in officially as his Manager. Frank and Frank's right hand ( a female older fan) were the only ones promoting Frank being back in the saddle with Michael.

I even heard, in the last few weeks of Michael's life, Frank was doing some major blocking of people Michael himself requested to see. If this is true, I hope to God fans aren't the only ones who know.


but Frank was his official manager, right? or never become more than adviser?

what kind of blocking? no, no , i mean who he blocked - his family, or friends or ppl with who he works....
 
frank is what frank wants to be. mike signed so many thingst hat there's an overlapping of managers and poa. let the crooks figure it out in court
 
but Frank was his official manager, right? or never become more than adviser?

what kind of blocking? no, no , i mean who he blocked - his family, or friends or ppl with who he works....


Michael was calling on other business people to come in and advise him or consult with him in specific matters in relation to the upcoming London Shows and I heard, Frank had an issue with that and began to block any other buisnessmen to give their professional insight to Michael.

It all falls perfectly in line with what Leonard Rowe said on Larry King Live( i know some will take issue with leonard rowe, but i hope the point isn't missed).
 
i had the hope and believe Frank is with Michael. Has his best interests in his heart... but again another money follower :(

actually frank said Michael called him back asking to reschedule the concerts... and still wondering when (IF frank really planed to do this) frank would do this? there were 2 weeks left to the 1st show and we all had our flight tickets and hotels -- does he think it's that easy to reschedule the life of so many ppl
 
I heard after Michael's murder, both katherine and joseph stopped communicating with Frank. They wouldn't take his calls at all.

If This is true, it indicates MJ's parents felt either betrayed or really hurt by something regarding Frank? My hunch is: After MJ's murder They felt let down by Frank is some way. I remember a certain obessive fan who always posted about her having contact with frank had repeatedly bragged to different fans that BEFORE MJ let him back in, frank use to promise joe and katherine how things would be better or change for the better if/when he got back in as MJ's manager.

Did it change for the better or did it get worst?
 
I do believe he could be manipulated as we know about some situations but you can't survive all these years based on manipulation. Also, when he was, it wasn't like someone came up and said "nah...that guy aint no good" and that guy was fired just like that. They are screwed up enough to come up with well thought out, calculated, convincing stories. Sad.

Also, when he felt really strongly about something, there was just no point in talking him out/in of it because he was very stubborn sometimes.

E.G. Jacksons and crappy companies been begging him for a reunion for how long?

It really just depends on the situation. I can't deny that he was manipulated because that would make me blind but i'm not too sure about the easily part.

I agree. Michael wasn't manipulated into becoming the greatest performer who ever lived.

He made his own decisions.

He fired his father as his manager.
Despite extreme pressure, he refused to tour again with his brothers.
He fired Frank when he felt that he hadn't done a good enough job promoting his films.
He bought the Beatles catalog because it was a shrewd investment despite the fact that he outbid his friend Paul McCartney for it.
When he was in Romania he told the promoters of his concert that he wouldn't perform if they didn't improve conditions at the orphange immediately.
He rehired Frank when he felt he needed him.
He always controlled all of the aspects of his tours, down to the smallest detail and did the same with his music. He never compromised.
The list goes on and on.

There were certain times when he took the advice of people and he shouldn't have and times that people lied to him and he believed them. But he wasn't EASILY manipulated.

And when he didn't want to see some one he told security to keep them away. So, it is very hard to tell if a particular person was kept away by Michael's entourage or by Michael. To someone on the outside, it would appear the same either way.
 
Off topic, but as I keep seeing this, Michael didn't outbid Paul. Paul refused to buy his own work. He refused to bid. The media says Michael outbid his friend to make him look bad.

I agree. Michael wasn't manipulated into becoming the greatest performer who ever lived.

He made his own decisions.

He fired his father as his manager.
Despite extreme pressure, he refused to tour again with his brothers.
He fired Frank when he felt that he hadn't done a good enough job promoting his films.

He bought the Beatles catalog because it was a shrewd investment despite the fact that he outbid his friend Paul McCartney for it.

When he was in Romania he told the promoters of his concert that he wouldn't perform if they didn't improve conditions at the orphange immediately.
He rehired Frank when he felt he needed him.
He always controlled all of the aspects of his tours, down to the smallest detail and did the same with his music. He never compromised.
The list goes on and on.

There were certain times when he took the advice of people and he shouldn't have and times that people lied to him and he believed them. But he wasn't EASILY manipulated.

And when he didn't want to see some one he told security to keep them away. So, it is very hard to tell if a particular person was kept away by Michael's entourage or by Michael. To someone on the outside, it would appear the same either way.
 
By the looks of things it got worse.


Yep! You are right! It did get worse. It went completely down hill.

If one or maybe even 2 people from Team MJ really had his best interest at heart, he probably would still be alive now.

Look at all those people who were around him in the last year or so of his life.
 
I would really like to understand more of the thinking that people have here about Michaels 'team' or 'insiders'.

Perhaps this comes from my view of Michael. I never saw him as a helpless soul and I always thought he had his own mind. This is why I find it very difficult to believe he was controlled. Of course, saying he was controlled by drugs is interesting, but then that makes me think of him as a pretty pathetic guy addicted to drugs and that doesn't sit well with me either.

So, can someone who is more familiar with this way of thinking help me to understand what these insiders should have or could have done had they had his best interests at heart? I am at a loss even after reading this thread.
 
MJ was in control of everything , MJ blocked his family because they only called to ask for something , they did cause him alot of trouble, he trusted Randy with his money during the trial and Randy showed his true colours , he then moved to jermaine who also allowed shady people in mj's life once again and received money to do so . when he had enough , he returned to the U.S he blocked them . even after all the damage they caused to him during and after the trial , they were still asking him to tour, the nerve .

read jermaine's ex wife book on the jacksons , the greed , the infidelity , the jealousy , the dead beat fathers and above that Katherine and her values ' a man does nothing wrong and his wife should always cover up for him even if the victims were their children ' that was the mentality in that house , the boys in that family were taught whatever they did was ok but just kept it secret , the double standards were amazing . the only one who did not actually leech on MJ was Marlon that was ofcourse before MJ's death , Maroln sold a story to a tabloid in the UK which days early published an article on mj taking drugs to control his sexual desires to young boys , the jealousy was always there .
 
MJ was in control of everything , MJ blocked his family because they only called to ask for something , they did cause him alot of trouble, he trusted Randy with his money during the trial and Randy showed his true colours , he then moved to jermaine who also allowed shady people in mj's life once again and received money to do so . when he had enough , he returned to the U.S he blocked them . even after all the damage they caused to him during and after the trial , they were still asking him to tour, the nerve .

read jermaine's ex wife book on the jacksons , the greed , the infidelity , the jealousy , the dead beat fathers and above that Katherine and her values ' a man does nothing wrong and his wife should always cover up for him even if the victims were their children ' that was the mentality in that house , the boys in that family were taught whatever they did was ok but just kept it secret , the double standards were amazing . the only one who did not actually leech on MJ was Marlon that was ofcourse before MJ's death , Maroln sold a story to a tabloid in the UK which days early published an article on mj taking drugs to control his sexual desires to young boys , the jealousy was always there .

Yes, then there is that too.

I was trying to figure out why some feel the need to cover up for Michael to the degree of not hearing the truth. Someone on this thread said that the 'inside' people didn't care and if they did he would still be alive.

I want to know what they mean by that. What are they thinking killed Michael?
 
the only one who did not actually leech on MJ was Marlon that was ofcourse before MJ's death , Maroln sold a story to a tabloid in the UK which days early published an article on mj taking drugs to control his sexual desires to young boys , the jealousy was always there .

Thank you.
 
Yes, then there is that too.

I was trying to figure out why some feel the need to cover up for Michael to the degree of not hearing the truth. Someone on this thread said that the 'inside' people didn't care and if they did he would still be alive.

I want to know what they mean by that. What are they thinking killed Michael?

Because portraying MJ as this hopeless and helpless person , who was controlled by the BAD GUYS , who was fed drugs by the BAD GUYS is a requirement to prove the conspiracy theory , this theory needs some basic argument to stand on , and the addict who was kept away from his very loving and caring family is fundamental to prove the theory .

ofcourse such arguments will be very good also when a lawsuit is filed by Joe , Randy and Latoya because the only way they can get over his death is by getting back the money the BAD GUYS hoped to get when they killed mj :smilerolleyes:
 
Because portraying MJ as this hopeless and helpless person , who was controlled by the BAD GUYS , who was fed drugs by the BAD GUYS is a requirement to prove the conspiracy theory , this theory needs some basic argument to stand on , and the addict who was kept away from his very loving and caring family is fundamental to prove the theory .

ofcourse such arguments will be very good also when a lawsuit is filed by Joe , Randy and Latoya because the only way they can get over his death is by getting back the money the BAD GUYS hoped to get when they killed mj :smilerolleyes:

Well, that is one of my concerns regarding this theory. That and the fact that I don't believe Michael was that type of addict. I think he had pain; whether emotional or physical; still is pain, and he took medications for it.

I guess that is one part of the theory I can't buy into because I don't believe he was controlled by those around him. I believe he controlled his world around him to some extent. I do however believe he got into financial troubles and this was all to real a stress and pressure for him.

He could have downscaled but he didn't want to do that and one can't blame him for that. The 'accusers' really did hurt him badly both professionally and personally and if I were to blame anyone here, I'd blame them. Even there, Michael was warned and he didn't heed good advice but I think it was because he didn't believe it would ever go as far as it did.

Of course, thats my theory. Feel free to go with the other one.
 


Instead of Using good common sense or having his best interest at heart, they blocked and prevented those of who wanted to reach MJ to help him; from getting anywhere close to him in those final months, weeks and days.

It would not have taken much for members of his team to do the right thing...
 
Originally Posted by Soundmind

the only one who did not actually leech on MJ was Marlon that was ofcourse before MJ's death , Maroln sold a story to a tabloid in the UK which days early published an article on mj taking drugs to control his sexual desires to young boys , the jealousy was always there .

Really??.....But it was Marlon that Michael spoke to the night before he died telling him of his heart problems that night and how the doctor didn't want to take him to the hospital. Marlon has always been one of the closet brothers to Michael. I'm sorry, but I think that story is made up. We're MJ fans, we don't believe every crap tabloids tell us about Michael.

can you please give me a link to that story?
 
Look at this :doh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUoA4k9XTnE

I really hope that Jermaine didn't know about Tohme and how he was.

I've long ago realized that people believe what they want to believe. I've seen this video before, but thanks for reposting. Here we have Frank DiLeo saying that access to Michael was being blocked. And we have Michael's own words expressing fear about Tohme. I choose to believe MICHAEL, and I expect that in this instance, DiLeo is also telling the truth.

I don't know what the counter-response to this could possibly be? That that wasn't really Michael speaking? I'm 99.9% sure that it WAS. Or, that Frank chose to lie in this instance? I'm 99.9% sure that he wasn't lying. But, carry on. . .
 
Instead of Using good common sense or having his best interest at heart, they blocked and prevented those of who wanted to reach MJ to help him; from getting anywhere close to him in those final months, weeks and days.

It would not have taken much for members of his team to do the right thing...

Could they help him to get some sleep?That´s the kind of help he needed.
Didn´t he get this t-shirt with curls for my girls the day before his last rehearsals and that fan could speak to him.
 
^^ During those final weeks and months, Michael was taking quite a few pictures with fans. He would actually let them come up to his van and take a pic with him.

But that was at his rehearsals, where fans would wait outside for him since they couldn't get in. I don't think those controlling Michael had the right to make them go away since it wasn't their or even Michael's property. And I'm sure when Michael would see his fans waiting, he would allow them to come over. Why wouldn't he? He's sweet.
 
I don't believe he was blocked. I believe he blocked certain people out because he didn't wanna hear what they had to say. I also think he didn't wanna deal with give me give me give me or I need this that and the other thing...........

You know, as hard as this is for a lot of fans to believe, he was not a totally defenseless person and he knew how to stand up for himself. He used his security team to his own advantage when he needed to.
 
I believe what Michael said, in his own words, about being afraid of Tohme. I believe Frank DiLeo in this instance, that Michael's access to others was limited. I see no reason to disbelieve either of them, and especially Michael. Doesn't matter which fan he saw briefly on what day. I still believe what he said. So either he didn't say it (that was a hoax-voice on the phone? But. . it wasn't), or he did say it. If he did, that answers the topic of this thread. He did not say HE blocked certain people for his convenience. He SAID he was being too controlled by Tohme. Also, either one believes Frank, or one does not. In this instance, I do. And I believe Michael.
 
I don't believe he was blocked. I believe he blocked certain people out because he didn't wanna hear what they had to say. I also think he didn't wanna deal with give me give me give me or I need this that and the other thing...........

You know, as hard as this is for a lot of fans to believe, he was not a totally defenseless person and he knew how to stand up for himself. He used his security team to his own advantage when he needed to.

That could be possible.

But then that contradicts the story in that video of Thome, in which it states he was blocking Michael's closest friends from him.
 
That could be possible.

But then that contradicts the story in that video of Thome, in which it states he was blocking Michael's closest friends from him.

What about Miko Brando who was at the rehearsals and Michael could talk to him every day?
And Thome wasn´t working for Michael in the end,how could he block Michaels closest friends then?
 
The problem with all the theories is the are so easy to dispute one way or another and are not based on actual fact.
 
The FACT is Michael's recorded voice, and facts don't get more authentic than that. Not going around again, other than this last post I'll make about it, and then. . .carry on?

Either one believes that was really Michael's voice, or one believes it was a hoax. If not a hoax, then Michael SAID he was afraid of Tohme. Either Michael is to be believed in that statement, or he is not.
 
The FACT is Michael's recorded voice, and facts don't get more authentic than that. Not going around again, other than this last post I'll make about it, and then. . .carry on?

Either one believes that was really Michael's voice, or one believes it was a hoax. If not a hoax, then Michael SAID he was afraid of Tohme. Either Michael is to be believed in that statement, or he is not.

I don´t get it.
Let´s say Michael was afraid of Tohme but Tohme was fired and shouldn´t be near Michael after that.If Michael thought his lifeguards was working for Tohme he would have fired them to.
 
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