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MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

As I have said numerous times in this section, Michael often called on 2 family members to help him get out of situations when he felt he couldn't do it alone. He had several private meetings about the 02 shows with Joe present at his( MJ's request).

Do the Media ever accurately report how MJ would call on his family to help rescue him out of trouble?

Have you ever heard any of MJ's haters giving his dad any recent credit for coming to his son's home at his son's request to sit in on meetings with his own management when he( mj) feared they were trying to railroad him?
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nothing to do with rowe and joe trying to get in on the 02 conerts then. and the threatened court action to stop the concerts because of the fake texas concert.and mjs letter to rowe telling him he does not represent mj .joe didnt give a dam about mj .his actions after june 25th and his involvement with rowe tells u that.all they did was create even more pressure on mj in the final months that no doubt didnt help his insomnia.same ole thing like with the victory tour like with the planned concerts with the moonies. like with the family honours in 94. joe/the family has a history. a history that led mj to wanting to keep his distance from the family on a business level.and frankly from the evidence we have seen u cant blame him
 
Soundmind said:
Latoya said a bodyguard called her and told her the staff were released from their jobs LATE THAT NIGHT hours after MJ was pronounced dead which was a VERY VERY EXPECTED THING . and the family were there the very next day removing everything from the house .
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According to Klein, LaToya spent the first 2 nights at the house after MJ passed. I don't know if he is the best source, but he lawyered up immediately - to me a consciousness of guilt for something. I am going to assume that with the lawyers came a private detective.
 
It's understandable that Klein was keeping an eye

on what was going on in MJ's surroundings when he

passed since not only they were friends, but he had

left three kids behind without a mother, and people

were pointing fingers at him right from the beginning.
 
i think klien was to busy trying to cover his ass and divert from the dodgy thngs he had been doing.hence his claims about the kids paternity and having his lawyers showing up in the court. the fact the dea (i think it is) is investigating him over self prescribing says alot. he knew the spotlight would be on him cause of all the visits made by mj to his office
 
mj 'hired' rowe in march ,and fired him in may , that's considered spring. joe also visited mj at paris birthday but we saw no presents with him ,probably he came to ask for a 'present'after all how come he give his kids and forgot his darling ex manager joe
 
Soundmind said:
mj 'hired' rowe in march ,and fired him in may , that's considered spring. joe also visited mj at paris birthday but we saw no presents with him ,probably he came to ask for a 'present'after all how come he give his kids and forgot his darling ex manager joe
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There is missing information here, dow we know exactly when Jones was hired & fired? - Paris birthday party was on April 4 as I recall, there was the May 15th meeting with Joe, Katherine & Randy Phillips.

As far as a present is concerned - Joe could have had a small one, some jewelry in his pocket, we wouldn't know.
 
rainny said:
It's understandable that Klein was keeping an eye

on what was going on in MJ's surroundings when he

passed since not only they were friends, but he had

left three kids behind without a mother, and people

were pointing fingers at him right from the beginning.
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I don't find it understandable at all about Klein. He enjoyed all the attention initially. He called Debbie Rowe immediately, according to what he said. He wanted to be invited over by the Jacksons on LKL. He has given different reasons for why he was doing things. Actually he is pretty over the line, MJ peeing in the cup, his ex-lover giving that interview, employee claiming an affair with MJ. I think he does it on purpose, kind of like blackmail - he wants the Jacksons upset about what he says so they won't go after him.

Why is Debbie Rowe so angry with him? I think it is deeper than just self prescribing that he is worried about. He is a very smart man, if he was self prescribing, he could have covered his tracks, can't be that hard. I wouldn't trust anything in his files about Michael Jackson.
 
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The Jason dude saying to be MJ's lover was for real?

I assumed that was tabloid invention.
 
rainny said:
The Jason dude saying to be MJ's lover was for real?

I assumed that was tabloid invention.
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Yes, it's garbage. Just like Kleine saying Michael liked to pee in a cup in front of people.

Moddie777 said:
In the last year or so of Michael's life, several people were not allowed consistant access to MJ by his handlers and without the permission, consent and knowledge of Michael Jackson.

This was part of their plan in "recent times".
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And I don't like how family members and those close to him blame it on Michael. But I know it's not their fault. Not even Michael knew.

But I'm sure during those last months or weeks near his death, it started getting way out of hand, and Michael himself realized something just wasn't right.
 
When you think about it, it would be pretty easy for staff to block access to Michael. That was part of their job, anyway, to screen calls and visitors for such an incredibly famous person. The point is that who to admit and who not to admit should have been Michael's call, in general, not staff's. He would have NO way of knowing who had been kept out, if staff didn't tell him. I mean, how WOULD he know?
 
Victoria83 said:
When you think about it, it would be pretty easy for staff to block access to Michael. That was part of their job, anyway, to screen calls and visitors for such an incredibly famous person. The point is that who to admit and who not to admit should have been Michael's call, in general, not staff's. He would have NO way of knowing who had been kept out, if staff didn't tell him. I mean, how WOULD he know?
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Exactly, Victoria83

It was easy for them to deny access to Michael, how hard can it be to get away with it, when we have recieved ongoing reports of his team forcing drugs on him and isolating him.

As far back as when Raymone worked for MJ, there was reportedly major blocking going on.
 
Didn't he have a cell phone to call whoever he wanted

to call?
 
kasume said:
Yes, it's garbage. Just like Kleine saying Michael liked to pee in a cup in front of people.



And I don't like how family members and those close to him blame it on Michael. But I know it's not their fault. Not even Michael knew.

But I'm sure during those last months or weeks near his death, it started getting way out of hand, and Michael himself realized something just wasn't right.
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If this case ever makes it to trial, the "Blame The Deceased Michael Jackson Defense", is going to be used by Several questionable members of Team MJ, most notably the ones we have threads on in this section. Just watch and wait. It's coming.

Yes it did get wayyyyyy out of hand in the last phase of MJ's life, we have so much corraborating information that states Michael was pretty much kept in a fish bowl by his own team.

Even he confirmed his loved ones were being kept from him by one of the crooks in his camp( Tohme).

It is on Record from Michael's own mouth, its no longer just a Theory or Speculation, its FACT.
 
Moddie777 said:
Does The phone call underneath the blankets to Mark Lester ring a bell? Mark Lester was taken aback and seemed very uncomfortable and concerned as he publically spoke about this during an interview. He said Michael sounded like he was sneaking to make the call to him and I think he described it as "odd". Not sure of his exact words but I do recall that look on his face as he talked about this phone encounter, and this i think was just a few years ago.
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Yes. That sounds odd. Does anybody have a link to that?

Thank you.
 
sorry, I don't have the link, but i do remember discussion about it on the main page?
 
Moddie777 said:
Yes it did get wayyyyyy out of hand in the last phase of MJ's life, we have so much corraborating information that states Michael was pretty much kept in a fish bowl by his own team.

Even he confirmed his loved ones were being kept from him by one of the crooks in his camp( Tohme).

It is on Record from Michael's own mouth, its no longer just a Theory or Speculation, its FACT.
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Yes, it is FACT. Michael SAID it, and that is incredibly significant. I don't know if Michael had access to phones, or not. There was that account by Follower Fans that after they gave him the letters, Michael's security staff rushed him into the house but told the FF they could talk to him by phone. But then, all calls were dropped and they never got through, and don't even know for sure if he read the letters, or if the Security took them, or what? I believe what the FF said. They would have no reason to lie about that, and it corroborates other accounts of the "unreachability" of Michael.

Then there was that strangeness about "no working phones" that somehow prevented Murray from calling 911 in a timely way. That is INSANE. (Note how that detail has vanished from media?) Michael had children and was very safety conscious. NO responsible parent would fail to have working phones, in case a child got ill, had an accident, or there was a break-in attempt. Did that mean the phones had been disabled and Michael was unable to call out? It might very well mean that, and it's chilling.
 
Victoria83 said:
Yes, it is FACT. Michael SAID it, and that is incredibly significant. I don't know if Michael had access to phones, or not. There was that account by Follower Fans that after they gave him the letters, Michael's security staff rushed him into the house but told the FF they could talk to him by phone. But then, all calls were dropped and they never got through, and don't even know for sure if he read the letters, or if the Security took them, or what? I believe what the FF said. They would have no reason to lie about that, and it corroborates other accounts of the "unreachability" of Michael.

Then there was that strangeness about "no working phones" that somehow prevented Murray from calling 911 in a timely way. That is INSANE. (Note how that detail has vanished from media?) Michael had children and was very safety conscious. NO responsible parent would fail to have working phones, in case a child got ill, had an accident, or there was a break-in attempt. Did that mean the phones had been disabled and Michael was unable to call out? It might very well mean that, and it's chilling.
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Yes Vic--I believe the FF too. Michael did have a cell phone, I've seen pix of him with it--but who knows what the people who kept him imprisoned did to keep Michael under their control. The "no working phones" is just a part of Murray's CYA story to LE, and I absolutely believe that comment only made LE more suspicious. But, I also believe that it would have been easy to disconnect any phones in the residence in order to prevent a call going out before those involved wanted it to.
 
I remember watching Lee say, while talking about previous

months during which she was supposedly visiting MJ's house,

something like, ' that house wasn't good for cell phones either.'

I don't know the exact words she used, so I'm going to try

to find it.

Did anyone else watch that?
 
Victoria83 said:
Yes, it is FACT. Michael SAID it, and that is incredibly significant. I don't know if Michael had access to phones, or not. There was that account by Follower Fans that after they gave him the letters, Michael's security staff rushed him into the house but told the FF they could talk to him by phone. But then, all calls were dropped and they never got through, and don't even know for sure if he read the letters, or if the Security took them, or what? I believe what the FF said. They would have no reason to lie about that, and it corroborates other accounts of the "unreachability" of Michael.

Then there was that strangeness about "no working phones" that somehow prevented Murray from calling 911 in a timely way. That is INSANE. (Note how that detail has vanished from media?) Michael had children and was very safety conscious. NO responsible parent would fail to have working phones, in case a child got ill, had an accident, or there was a break-in attempt. Did that mean the phones had been disabled and Michael was unable to call out? It might very well mean that, and it's chilling.
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Agree 100% to this post.

It doesn't look like Michael had "consistant" access to outside phone lines. One way for a crook to successfully isolate and control a celebrity is to cut off their communication with outside sources. We'll start hearing more from others of how they too couldn't reach Michael by phone in the last weeks, days of his life. Unfortunately, if you go back and listen to the stories of past hollywood stars who were being cut off from the rest of the world by their handlers, one thing they all have in common other than the handlers from their own team being the culprit, is the fact that: Their loved ones had difficulties reaching them by phone, in the months, weeks and days leading up to the death of the celebrity. Two other things that have been very common in so many of the hollywood past deaths are: Drugs administered by The handlers of the Star and talks of a Forged "Will" which leaves the bulk of the estate to a "shady" insider, many of the friends and family of the celeb were always suspicious of.

The fan followers story about the dropped phone call by Michael and his security's behavior, indicated to me early on, that outside lines of communication in the last weeks and days of his life, no LONGER EXHISTED.
 
Victoria83 said:
Yes, it is FACT. Michael SAID it, and that is incredibly significant. I don't know if Michael had access to phones, or not. There was that account by Follower Fans that after they gave him the letters, Michael's security staff rushed him into the house but told the FF they could talk to him by phone. But then, all calls were dropped and they never got through, and don't even know for sure if he read the letters, or if the Security took them, or what? I believe what the FF said. They would have no reason to lie about that, and it corroborates other accounts of the "unreachability" of Michael.

Then there was that strangeness about "no working phones" that somehow prevented Murray from calling 911 in a timely way. That is INSANE. (Note how that detail has vanished from media?) Michael had children and was very safety conscious. NO responsible parent would fail to have working phones, in case a child got ill, had an accident, or there was a break-in attempt. Did that mean the phones had been disabled and Michael was unable to call out? It might very well mean that, and it's chilling.
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Do you know if this was before or after one of the fans video taped him about the 50 shows and put it up on You Tube and spoke to the tabloids? That might be one of the reasons the fans were kept back. Just a possibility.
 
Victoria83 said:
There was that account by Follower Fans that after they gave him the letters, Michael's security staff rushed him into the house but told the FF they could talk to him by phone. But then, all calls were dropped and they never got through, and don't even know for sure if he read the letters, or if the Security took them, or what? I believe what the FF said. They would have no reason to lie about that, and it corroborates other accounts of the "unreachability" of Michael.
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First, I read that it was Michael who had tried to call a fan

from the Staples center. Then, I read that it was Michael

who called a fan from his home. Now, is it a fan who tried

to call Michael and couldn't reach him?

It's getting confusing.
 
Beachlover said:
Do you know if this was before or after one of the fans video taped him about the 50 shows and put it up on You Tube and spoke to the tabloids? That might be one of the reasons the fans were kept back. Just a possibility.
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Probably one of the reasons... noone wanted Michael himself to talk about the number of shows which he disliked probably?
 
Mechi said:
Probably one of the reasons... noone wanted Michael himself to talk about the number of shows which he disliked probably?
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Mechi, I think you have a valid point!

I've wondered about the very same thing too...

Remember when the fan followers first told us of their accounts of that day they tried making contact with MJ? Remember, they posted something about how the Security around Michael had become really different as well as their bahavior towards the fan follower's?

With Michael Being Murdered just hours later, I don't believe they wanted that call to ever be made out of fear Michael was going to reach out and tell his fans something they didn't want to be made public. His security must have known the fans would come online ( just like they did after his death) and inform ALL OF US and we would rally together and somehow make a difference.

The Kind of difference they didn't want, not if their objective was to keep him isolated, so the manipulation and control could prevail to their benefit.

When you think about it, Michael has always reached out and called fans. Since I have been online on MJ forums( years), I have heard about calls from Michael very frequently and fans usually share with us and come online to tell us about the call(s).

Why all of a sudden, the call was dropped?

Look at the timing.

Hours later, he is Dead.
 
Moddie777 said:
Mechi, I think you have a valid point!

I've wondered about the very same thing too...

Remember when the fan followers first told us of their accounts of that day they tried making contact with MJ? Remember, they posted something about how the Security around Michael had become really different as well as their bahavior towards the fan follower's?

With Michael Being Murdered just hours later, I don't believe they wanted that call to ever be made out of fear Michael was going to reach out and tell his fans something they didn't want to be made public. His security must have known the fans would come online ( just like they did after his death) and inform ALL OF US and we would rally together and somehow make a difference.

The Kind of difference they didn't want, not if their objective was to keep him isolated, so the manipulation and control could prevail to their benefit.

When you think about it, Michael has always reached out and called fans. Since I have been online on MJ forums( years), I have heard about calls from Michael very frequently and fans usually share with us and come online to tell us about the call(s).

Why all of a sudden, the call was dropped?

Look at the timing.

Hours later, he is Dead.
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Yes, the timing is significant. After Michael complained about the fifty shows, access to him became very limited. But why should he NOT complain if that is what he really felt? Was he then to be prevented from speaking his mind? Why? Michael always seemed to trust his fans; they had no agenda toward him except for love.
 
Moddie777 said:
Mechi, I think you have a valid point!

I've wondered about the very same thing too...

Remember when the fan followers first told us of their accounts of that day they tried making contact with MJ? Remember, they posted something about how the Security around Michael had become really different as well as their bahavior towards the fan follower's?

With Michael Being Murdered just hours later, I don't believe they wanted that call to ever be made out of fear Michael was going to reach out and tell his fans something they didn't want to be made public. His security must have known the fans would come online ( just like they did after his death) and inform ALL OF US and we would rally together and somehow make a difference.

The Kind of difference they didn't want, not if their objective was to keep him isolated, so the manipulation and control could prevail to their benefit.

When you think about it, Michael has always reached out and called fans. Since I have been online on MJ forums( years), I have heard about calls from Michael very frequently and fans usually share with us and come online to tell us about the call(s).

Why all of a sudden, the call was dropped?

Look at the timing.

Hours later, he is Dead.
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This was my thought too...why was this call dropped ....maybe Michael had a fight with someone in the house...that inner circle.....maybe someone TOOK the phone away from Michael so he wasn't able to call in or out......this has been driving me crazy....right after that happened a few hours later Michael died.....IDK..I wish I knew..
 
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