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MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

a Timeline according to what we went through at the time on KOP discussion Board :


at 12: 21 pm LATime 911 call was made

at 12: 24 pm LATime ambulance arrived

at 12: 47 p.m LATime S.A.B posted a twitter update by Pearjr that an ambulance

was seen at the mansion .

at 1:27 p.m LATime Ja confirmed there was indeed an ambulance .

at 1:30 pm LATime reports said the ambulance left the house .

at 1:39 pm LATime TMZ confirmed it was a cardiac arrest .

at 2:44 pm LATime TMZ posted R.I.P Michael Jackson .


at 2: 26 pm LATime . MJ was declared dead by the doctors


so Frank and Phillips were told even before TMZ , infact TMZ knew after Katherine and the family .

so there was nothing odd at all , they knew before the press because he was declared dead at least 15 minutes before TMZ knew , and they were there at the hospital .
 
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Going out on a limb here, is it possible that murray could have called someone and told them? Theres one phonecall the police were unable to trace right? I dont know why he would, but im just throwing it out there.
 
Who is a liar here????????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKcVI3lXgQ0&feature=related

This is Randy Philips old interview. I do not trust this guy but I do not understand something... . He said that in the hospital the nurse said that MJ’s heart was still beating but brain was not functioning. So it means that after he passed they were able to make his heart working again but brain was dead? I assume that he passed long time ago how they were able to make his heart working again? If it is the truth what he said who decided to STOP his heart?
Nurse asked a permission of "life support" from Katherine and she was not there, like Randy said. We all know what life support means. If she was not there who stopped MJ heart? I do not understand. Any ideas? Or whatever Randy says is all BS?
If the heart was working why they didn't keep him on life support? I would prefer to have him alive this way, really.. . but not having him dead. They could keep his body alive right?
Everything looks so shady!
 
tbh i dont think randy has a clue cause what he says doesnt make sense. everything was crazy that day. what about the coma report.
 
Going out on a limb here, is it possible that murray could have called someone and told them? Theres one phonecall the police were unable to trace right? I dont know why he would, but im just throwing it out there.
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i dont think there was a call that wasnt traced. all the calls were listed in the search warrant.the report came from a tab
 
no one stopped MJ's heart, they waited for katherine to declare him dead , the doctors were there , simply frank or randy would not have been able to tell anyone what to do there , it was up to the doctors and his mother unless you think AEG also paid UCLA to kill mj and UCLA were part of the conspiracy ?
 
and the chef of Fire Department confirmed MJ was with no pulse when they arrived and did not have pulse when they went to the hospital , mj was dead for many hours , are you telling me his heart started beating HOURS after he died ? man some people are so determined to clear murray
 
Soundmind said:
no one stopped MJ's heart, they waited for katherine to declare him dead , the doctors were there , simply frank or randy would not have been able to tell anyone what to do there , it was up to the doctors and his mother unless you think AEG also paid UCLA to kill mj and UCLA were part of the conspiracy ?
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Did you listen to the tape just I posted? I want to know who is a liar here? I think Randy was talking about "Thi is it" movie and was not that careful or he had a reason to say it. Who covers what here?
We all know that Mj was dead a few hours before. Why Randy said that his heart was beating still? WTF?
 
cause randy didnt have a clue what was going on like everyone else. chinese whispers. one example is the coma rumour.we arent gonna know the exact details till it comes out in court.the coma talk kinda fits with philips statement.
 
Yeah sure, seems like no one knew what was going on here. I have yet to hear a consistent story.

Randy's talking rubbish as usual.

Frank said he got a call at 11:00 am telling him that MJ was rushed to the hospital, when the 911 call was placed at 12:21 PM.

It's like these people were in Africa on June 25.
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here.

Somewhere along the line it was reported that an intra-aortic balloon pump was used on Michael in the ER. An IABP basically is inserted into the body via the femoral artery and threaded up into the aorta. Once it is positioned a long balloon inflates and deflates propulsing blood flow like the heart does. The "activity" appears on a heart monitor as a sort of heartbeat type rhythm as long as it inflates and deflates. It really is a last ditch effort in cardiac arrest. It's possible that when something was said about Michael still having a "heart beat" in the ER, that is what the heart beat was, the balloon pump tracing and activity of providing mechanical cardiac blood flow and activity.

Possibly the balloon pump was not turned off until Katherine arrived, thus allowing the "call" to stop "all" resuscitative measures up to the next of kin whom I would think would have been Katherine (aside from minor children).

(The IABP is used for many other reasons, but again, it can be and is utilized in last ditch cardiac resus efforts.)
 
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bgz said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here.

Somewhere along the line it was reported that an intra-aortic balloon pump was used on Michael in the ER. An IABP basically is inserted into the body via the femoral artery and threaded up into the aorta. Once it is positioned a long balloon inflates and deflates propulsing blood flow like the heart does. The "activity" appears on a heart monitor as a sort of heartbeat type rhythm as long as it inflates and deflates. It really is a last ditch effort in cardiac arrest.

Possibly the balloon pump was not turned off until Katherine arrived, thus allowing the "call" to stop "all" resuscitative measures up to the next of kin whom I would think would have been Katherine (aside from minor children).

(The IABP is used for many other reasons, but again, it can be and is utilized in last ditch cardiac resus efforts.)
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yep most plausible to me too. thank you bgz.

The nurse to Randy Phillips maybe didn't word it too wise. Doesn't mean Phillips is lying. Typical twist with not so simple medical issues.

So it was Frank telling Phillips and probably a fan in front of Michaels home telling Frank? I could imagine that and we know Frank has lots of 'fans connections'.

Remains only one of my questions still... who told Thome?
 
Mechi, I'm going to take a wild stab at it and guess that Jermaine told Tohme?
 
yeah agree with bgz.that sounds the most plausible re the heart. jerm most likely but itsn ot like these ppl were in a cave they could have just heard it on the tv etc
 
Tohme needed no one to tell him , it was everywhere by the time Frank and Phillips arrived at the hospital , we knew there was a problem 30 minutes before MJ was moved to the hospital , I posted the times and when we at KOP board got a twitter update , it was 12:47 pm , mj was declared dead at 2:26 pm . we are talking about two hours here .
 
Asedora said:
Who is a liar here????????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKcVI3lXgQ0&feature=related

This is Randy Philips old interview. I do not trust this guy but I do not understand something... . He said that in the hospital the nurse said that MJ’s heart was still beating but brain was not functioning. So it means that after he passed they were able to make his heart working again but brain was dead? I assume that he passed long time ago how they were able to make his heart working again? If it is the truth what he said who decided to STOP his heart?
Nurse asked a permission of "life support" from Katherine and she was not there, like Randy said. We all know what life support means. If she was not there who stopped MJ heart? I do not understand. Any ideas? Or whatever Randy says is all BS?
If the heart was working why they didn't keep him on life support? I would prefer to have him alive this way, really.. . but not having him dead. They could keep his body alive right?
Everything looks so shady!
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I think it's likely that Randy Phillips knew Michael was dead many, MANY hours before.

It's highly unlikely that a heartbeat could have been restored after so much time, and if it were, brain death usually occurs after four MINUTES. He had no chance.
 
how did he know ? Murray called him or the bodyguards ? who exactly told him ? the guy was going by what murray was saying MJ was still alive when they arrived at the hospital , who would have known murray kept mj there for hours while he was cleaning the scene
 
http://www.tmz.com/


MJ's Brothers, Janet May Have Estate Claim
Posted Dec 28th 2009 3:10PM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's sister, Janet, along with brothers, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Randy, are all listed as possible creditors in the Michael Jackson estate case -- this, according to documents obtained by TMZ.

The docs do not state what Michael might owe Janet and his brothers. We do know Janet fronted some of the costs for Michael's funeral.

We spoke with MJ estate lawyer Howard Weitzman, who told TMZ Michael's brothers have an ongoing royalty claim and therefore were listed as potential creditors.

Also listed as a potential creditor -- Rev. June Juliet Gatlin, Michael's spiritual advisor







God does this woman also has royality claims .lol
 
Mechi said:
yep most plausible to me too. thank you bgz.

The nurse to Randy Phillips maybe didn't word it too wise. Doesn't mean Phillips is lying. Typical twist with not so simple medical issues.

So it was Frank telling Phillips and probably a fan in front of Michaels home telling Frank? I could imagine that and we know Frank has lots of 'fans connections'.

Remains only one of my questions still... who told Thome?
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Murray? Thome was at the house or in the near vicinity?
Or maybe Jermaine did tell him but since Jermaine rushed to the hospital when did he have time to call anyone since by Janet's own words, no one in the family called her back?
 
no phonecalls were traced to thome made from murray from 11am. maybe thome called jermaine and he told him it was true.instead of jerm ringing thome as i doubt that was on jerms mind at the time
 
So at what point did Thome go to the house and order the staff to leave? After he left the hospital?
 
in the evening i think soundmind said she posted some docs/info. cant remember if it was in this thread. be best to click on soundmind and then click on her/his posts prob best way to find it
 
Latoya said a bodyguard called her and told her the staff were released from their jobs LATE THAT NIGHT hours after MJ was pronounced dead which was a VERY VERY EXPECTED THING . and the family were there the very next day removing everything from the house .
 
Asedora said:
I had a very strong feeling too that something is going to happen with Michael. I always read one internet media (not in English) and I know exactly who owns it. This person is a criminal in my country of origin and he cannot come back there and do business because he is under criminal investigations regarding some political issues and millions of dollars stolen. He has an Israeli citizenship and has to stay there now. I know when the media he owns publish some weird staff about stars it is an indication for me that something is going on. They did it for Anna Nicole Smith. They started to publish weird articles about Michael since 2007. Most of this garbage was about his health conditions. I remember reading a BS article about Michael having lung and liver transplants and the article came out with the worst picture of Michael they possibly could find. They obviously had fun publishing this garbage.
It was indication for me that something will happen with Michael soon but I didn’t know when. When his shows were announced I already had a strong feeling that something will happen. I do not know why Michael agreed to do those shows. Was he pushed to do it or was it his own decision? Did he have a choice? It looks like he did not. Are we going to see justice for Michael?
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It has been reported on more than one occasion how Michael felt "pressured" and "forced" to do these shows in the beginning.

Does anyone really have a choice when they feel pressured or forced into doing anything?

I think not. Most times, we try and look at the brighter side and make the most out of an uncomforatble or stressful situation.

Are we going to see Justice for Michael? I certainly pray we do. The truth is already making its way slowly to the surface even as others (including media), are trying to bury and redirect it.
 
It has also been reported on more than one occasion how Michael felt "pressured" and "forced" to do the reunion concert and album with the family . He kicked them out f his life , and had to deal with their 'way' of handling things when he refused to compel, he had to deal with the media and their 'worried sources' who tried everything possible to prove he did not father his kids , he was a junkie beyond help and the executors were conspirators and THEY THE CHOSEN ONES should be given everything and appointed in charge of everything . Murray is of no interest to some of them because he had no money , but AEG certainly does .

just examine the motive and credibility of the people pushing this agenda , and how much damaged they caused MJ when he trusted them the most and how much damaged they would cause his kids simply because the 'ungrateful' brother left them out of his empire .

I know one things when you have no good for your own kids , when you go to desperate measures to ruin your brother's reputation and convince the public his kids ain't his kids and don't deserve to inherit his money , I cant trust this person to seek the truth , i know all this person is thinking about is how he would benefit , where is his best interests .
 
Soundmind said:
It has also been reported on more than one occasion how Michael felt "pressured" and "forced" to do the reunion concert and album with the family . He kicked them out f his life , and had to deal with their 'way' of handling things when he refused to compel, he had to deal with the media and their 'worried sources' who tried everything possible to prove he did not father his kids , he was a junkie beyond help and the executors were conspirators and THEY THE CHOSEN ONES should be given everything and appointed in charge of everything . Murray is of no interest to some of them because he had no money , but AEG certainly does .

just examine the motive and credibility of the people pushing this agenda , and how much damaged they caused MJ when he trusted them the most and how much damaged they would cause his kids simply because the 'ungrateful' brother left them out of his empire .

I know one things when you have no good for your own kids , when you go to desperate measures to ruin your brother's reputation and convince the public his kids ain't his kids and don't deserve to inherit his money , I cant trust this person to seek the truth , i know all this person is thinking about is how he would benefit , where is his best interests .
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Michael didn't want his family out of his life.
He went to family meetings as he always did.
I guess he wanted to have a clear line between family and private life on the one side and business on the other side.

It is possible that if Michael really felt worse and worse or some kind of traped business wise that he looked for advice at the family side. But I do not know... both sides would always tell us how much he was disgusted with each of the other sides. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I'd like to know what those talks with Branca (in May) were really about...
 
Mechi said:
Michael didn't want his family out of his life.
He went to family meetings as he always did.
I guess he wanted to have a clear line between family and private life on the one side and business on the other side.

It is possible that if Michael really felt worse and worse or some kind of traped business wise that he looked for advice at the family side. But I do not know... both sides would always tell us how much he was disgusted with each of the other sides. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

I'd like to know what those talks with Branca (in May) were really about...
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You are right. In most recent of times, Michael Jackson did not have certain family members out of his life as the media and his haters would like for us to believe.

As I have said numerous times in this section, Michael often called on 2 family members to help him get out of situations when he felt he couldn't do it alone. He had several private meetings about the 02 shows with Joe present at his( MJ's request).

Do the Media ever accurately report how MJ would call on his family to help rescue him out of trouble?

Have you ever heard any of MJ's haters giving his dad any recent credit for coming to his son's home at his son's request to sit in on meetings with his own management when he( mj) feared they were trying to railroad him?

The walls were closing in on Michael and he had much to be fearful of...
 
Mechi said:
Michael didn't want his family out of his life.
He went to family meetings as he always did.I guess he wanted to have a clear line between family and private life on the one side and business on the other side.
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That's right. Michael had went to a family gathering not long before he left. He loved his family, and said so in TII. In fact, I never once heard Michael say himself that he wanted his family out his life.

Now those stories about him not letting his family past his gates in 2007 or 2006, I think. I think Michael was still just recuperating from the 2005 madness in which he almost sent to prison. Michael wasn't made to go through that kind of crap, and it's why he never did anything to deserve all that in the first place. He probably just needed some alone time with him and his children and to try to get everything in his mind back together.

And they said, they were trying to stage an intervention in 2007. Well, I can't belive I'm saying this, but maybe they were wrong, or over worried or frightened.

Because we saw Michael in 2008 and he was looking great and healthy! Didn't look like someone who was on heavy drugs for the past months.
 
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