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Re: Dr. Murray Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

You guys do realize that "involuntary manslaughter" is about the lightest charge Murray could get? He will probably plead guilty and will get probation (and there will be no trial). You KNOW that, right?
 
Re: Dr. Murray Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

Victoria83 said:
You guys do realize that "involuntary manslaughter" is about the lightest charge Murray could get? He will probably plead guilty and will get probation (and there will be no trial). You KNOW that, right?
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yes thanks we know that...

Yet again Michael gets no justice.
 
Re: Dr. Murray Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

Victoria83 said:
You guys do realize that "involuntary manslaughter" is about the lightest charge Murray could get? He will probably plead guilty and will get probation (and there will be no trial). You KNOW that, right?
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That's the first thing that entered my mind....:no:
 
Re: Dr. Murray Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

*Sigh* :no:
 
I've checked all the national news stations but nothing so far about Murray being charged with involuntary manslaughter. Are we sure this isn't the original TMZ report and/or source saying that most likely it will be involuntary manslaughter, or is it "official"? I thought the DA has to make the charge formally?

(not saying I don't think involuntary manslaughter will be the call, but this hasn't been offically confirmed, correct?)
 
i Feel sick..... I feel ..... Idk what i feel but this shit this aint right.

The "Good Doctor" has had tis happen to him before and has gone unpunished. Michael is his second victim.

Something needs to be done!
 
InvincibleTal said:
so... you think it took them SIX MONTHS to investigate a involuntary manslaughter case?? WTF.
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They kept following the clues, realizing it was just leading them deeper and getting more spread out, presenting more questions than answers. They saw where it was headed and turned around saying "Eh, too much to deal with in that direction. We'll just go back to Murray, quickly deal with him and wrap this thing up."
 
bgz said:
I've checked all the national news stations but nothing so far about Murray being charged with involuntary manslaughter. Are we sure this isn't the original TMZ report and/or source saying that most likely it will be involuntary manslaughter, or is it "official"? I thought the DA has to make the charge formally?

(not saying I don't think involuntary manslaughter will be the call, but this hasn't been offically confirmed, correct?)
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It hasn't been officially confirmed, but this is a recent "leak." TMZ pays a lot for information, and police salaries are typically low. My hunch is that this is accurate.
 
Source: DA to seek indictment of Jackson doctor
BY: The AP


LOS ANGELES – Prosecutors are prepared to seek an indictment of Michael Jackson's
doctor, Conrad Murray, on a charge of involuntary manslaughter in the pop star's death, the Associated Press has learned.
A law enforcement source who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation remains open said Friday that Murray would be prosecuted on a theory of gross negligence alleging that his treatment of Jackson was an extreme departure from the standard of care normally followed by physicians.
Miranda Sevcik, a spokeswoman in Houston for Murray and his lawyer, Edward Chernoff, said the doctor had no comment and reiterated he neither prescribed nor administered anything that should have killed Michael Jackson.
Jackson died at his Los Angeles home in June while under Murray's care as the singer prepared for an ambitious concert schedule.
The district attorney's office is waiting for the Los Angeles police to turn over the case before presenting it to a grand jury.
To prove a charge of involuntary manslaughter, authorities must show there was a reckless action that created a risk of death or great bodily injury. If a doctor is aware of the risk, there might also be an issue of whether the patient knows that risk and decided to take it.
Before an indictment can be sought, the person said the Los Angeles Police Department will follow the formality of presenting the case to the district attorney.
A large number of witnesses have been interviewed including those who were present during Jackson's last days and those who worked with him in preparation for his comeback concert, "This is It."
Authorities have also lined up medical expert witnesses who will testify about the normal standard of care in a situation such as Jackson's and will give opinions on why Murray's actions constituted gross negligence, the person said.
The investigation was substantially completed by the end of December, the person said.
Murray's professional history is expected to be explored during a trial with an emphasis on whether he had the required expertise in administering the powerful anesthetic propofol which is believed to have killed Jackson.
The timing of an indictment will be dictated by two factors — how long it takes for the district attorney's office to conduct an internal review of the evidence and when the grand jury will be available to hear the case.
The person said it was thought that it would be more efficient to go to a grand jury than to charge Murray and proceed by way of a preliminary hearing.
A presentation to the grand jury where witnesses testify behind closed doors could take three to five days.
Murray, a cardiologist with offices in Las Vegas and Houston, was hired by Jackson not long before the pop star's death to travel with him on the "This Is It" tour that was to begin in London.
The doctor was with the star in Jackson's rented Los Angeles mansion and tried to revive him when he was found unconscious.
Among the drugs found in Jackson's home was propofol, and a subsequent autopsy found that Jackson died of acute propofol intoxication.
Propofol depresses breathing and the heart rate and lowers blood pressure so it's supposed to be administered by an anesthesia professional in a medical setting
 
If Murray don´t get punished for what he have done, then it´s time for us to do something.
But we better not discuss it in a public place.
 
Re: Dr. Murray Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter

Victoria83 said:
You guys do realize that "involuntary manslaughter" is about the lightest charge Murray could get? He will probably plead guilty and will get probation (and there will be no trial). You KNOW that, right?
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yes, I know. I am so disappointed to America's system again and again. when I knew LAPD was in charge of Michael's homicide, I had seen the result already. Michael would never get his justice in America. I am so tried of those injustice.
 
if true
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something will happen like a judgment of God. I feel so despaired.
 
Victoria83 said:
I've always thought that Murray was just the fall-guy. I continue to believe that. One indication of that would be if he got off with a light sentence, and most likely no jail time. Bingo. We (some of us) will watch him after his probation is finished, and we will follow the money. We are still HERE.
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If Murray is the fall guy, then that tells me that there was someone else behind this. Why would he be willing to take any kind of rap, big or small, for anybody? In that case, Murray should have been blowing the whistle months ago. He would have saved himself alot of trouble all this time if he had just said something about that to the police, instead of blaming everything on Michael because he was scared.
 
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I've checked all the national news stations but nothing so far about Murray being charged with involuntary manslaughter. Are we sure this isn't the original TMZ report and/or source saying that most likely it will be involuntary manslaughter, or is it "official"? I thought the DA has to make the charge formally?
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its more than likely all coming from TMZ. you know what chinese whispers are like.
 
Kingofpop4ever3000 said:
If Murray is the fall guy, then that tells me that there was someone else behind this. Why would he willing to take any kind of rap, big or small, for anybody? In that case, he should have been blowing the whistle months ago. He would have saved himself alot of trouble all this time if he had just said something about that to the police, instead of blaming everything on Michael because he was scared.
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His life was screwed before he was brought into Michaels life by anyone.
Lots of debt in general and also with several children inside and outside of marriage for whom he had never payed any child support blaaaah... he was someone who had nothing to lose anyways.
Talking now? why? he has obviously nothing to fear than maybe a slap on his hand and a: 'don't do this again ok' before he will walk free.
Just watch his doubts diminishing in the next years.

But as Vic said, we will be here to watch very attentive... we'll check again and again... and we'll be many... better noone involved will ever feel careless and free again.
You do not take Michael away for us to live happily and careless on... you do not.
 
bits of info from google


California Jury Instructions on Involuntary Manslaughter

California Penal Code 192( b)
When a person commits an unlawful killing but without an intent to kill and who does not act with conscious disregard for human life, then the crime is involuntary manslaughter under Penal Code Section 192(b).
The difference between other murder charges and involuntary manslaughter rests on whether the defendant was aware of the risk to life that his actions created, and whether he consciously disregarded the risk. An unlawful killing caused by a willful act done with complete knowledge and awareness that the person is endangering another's life, and done with conscious disregard of that risk, amounts to voluntary manslaughter or murder.
An unlawful killing arising from a willful act done without intent to kill and without conscious disregard of the risk to human life amounts to involuntary manslaughter.
The defendant is guilty of involuntary manslaughter under California Penal Code Section 192(b) if:

  • 1. The defendant committed a crime that posed a high risk of death or great bodily injury because of the way the act was committed or the defendant committed a lawful act, but with criminal negligence;
    AND
    2. The defendant's acts unlawfully caused another person's death.
Criminal negligence involves more than ordinary carelessness, inattention, or mistake in judgment. A person acts with criminal negligence when:

  • 1. She acts in a reckless way and creates a high risk of death or great bodily injury;
    AND
    2. A reasonable person would have known that acting in that way would create such a risk.
In order to prove murder or voluntary manslaughter, the People have the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant acted with intent to kill or with conscious disregard for human life. If the People have not met either of these burdens, you must find the defendant not guilty of murder and not guilty of voluntary manslaughter.
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There are three degrees of manslaughter, which carry different punishments. Voluntary manslaughter is an intentional killing that happened either because of "adequate provocation" or in an unreasonable attempt at self-defense. A voluntary manslaughter conviction carries a sentence of 3 to 11 years in prison. Involuntary manslaughter is an unintentional killing that happened during the commission of a misdemeanor or because of gross negligence (carelessness). Involuntary manslaughter carries a sentence of 2 to 4 years. Finally, vehicular manslaughter is an unintentional killing that takes place after an unlawful act committed while driving a motor vehicle. Vehicular manslaughter can be prosecuted as either a felony or a misdemeanor.
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from reading the above it seems invol manslaughter is the next one down if u dont go the murder 2 route by disregard for human life.. amazes me how the sentences are so light considering how america is know for ott sentences.
 
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ET, Essences, AP, are now reporting it. AP has a "source" telling them. Most likely this maybe the case, no one from the LAPD is denying it.
 
Kingofpop4ever3000 said:
If Murray is the fall guy, then that tells me that there was someone else behind this. Why would he willing to take any kind of rap, big or small, for anybody? In that case, Murray should have been blowing the whistle months ago. He would have saved himself alot of trouble all this time if he had just said something about that to the police, instead of blaming everything on Michael because he was scared.
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Don't know, for sure. This would be more appropriate in the I.U., so I'll just make a little suggestion here? Threats. And money. If he was threatened with his LIFE, but also promised a pay-off down the road, that might do it. He could have compared having to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life, with taking the fall, getting probation, and moving out of the country where he'd be set up well for the rest of his life. He had huge financial problems and a very messy history with women (and "illegitimate" children). I'm not saying that I KNOW this all is true. Just that it's possible.
 
The city's District Attorney's office tells Fox News they cannot comment on the report because they have not received the case yet. The LAPD has not released an official statement. This is from Foxnews.
 
please, explain someone to me why the administration of Propofol without
appropriately trained staff and facilities for monitoring are available, as well as proper airway management, a supply of supplemental oxygen, artificial ventilation and cardiovascular resuscitation.
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is not chargeable?
 
I can see it all now....

1. Dr. Murray gets just a slap on the wrist for killing Michael....

2. Dr. Murray lines himself up for the 'big' interview 'cause you know thats coming!...

3. All the media outlets will be tripping over themselves for the 'big get'.....


And in the end Michael loses as always.....
 
Kingofpop4ever3000 said:
If Murray is the fall guy, then that tells me that there was someone else behind this. Why would he willing to take any kind of rap, big or small, for anybody? In that case, Murray should have been blowing the whistle months ago. He would have saved himself alot of trouble all this time if he had just said something about that to the police, instead of blaming everything on Michael because he was scared.
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I also believed Murray was the fall guy. He is so smart, he denied any wrongdoing and put all blames on Michael. we all know he is the winner now. He may successfully avoid the prison from the lightest charge. Everything was in his plan. He had already planned his TV documentory long time ago.
 
ExoticPrincess said:
I can see it all now....

1. Dr. Murray gets just a slap on the wrist for killing Michael....

2. Dr. Murray lines himself up for the 'big' interview 'cause you know thats coming!...

3. All the media outlets will be tripping over themselves for the 'big get'.....


And in the end Michael loses as always.....
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And when probation is over. . BOOK DEAL. "They" win.
 
terrell said:
ET, Essences, AP, are now reporting it. AP has a "source" telling them. Most likely this maybe the case, no one from the LAPD is denying it.
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TMZ pays for stories. They are sometimes right. Police have low salaries. I think this is actually true. Just a hunch, but yeah. . . .
 
ExoticPrincess said:
I can see it all now....

1. Dr. Murray gets just a slap on the wrist for killing Michael....

2. Dr. Murray lines himself up for the 'big' interview 'cause you know thats coming!...

3. All the media outlets will be tripping over themselves for the 'big get'.....


And in the end Michael loses as always.....
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I think at this point, Murray is already destroyed. I think jail time is no worst than public views once he is hit with this charge.
 
from those bits i posted off google it seems invol manslaughter is the next charge down if u dont go the murder 2 by gross disregard route. dont understand why the sentences is so light though
 
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