The Hoax Theory - Discussing Errors, Inconsistencies, Observations and Other Theories

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From what I've seen Cassandra and Clontz are crocks and I would take what they say with a pinch of salt, I'd just hate for people who do believe he's alive to get their hopes up and then if it is untrue it'll be June 25th all over again. I won't wait or hope for anything but I guess 'if' it is true then we'll see.
 
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HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THIS? BOTH PICS CAN BE FOUND BY GOOGLE. TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE HELICOPTER PIC FROM VIDEO FOOTAGE VS. HELICOPTER PIC TAKEN FROM THE GROUND BY PAPARAZZI. THIS IS IN NEGATIVE IMAGE TO SEE THE CONTRAST BETTER, THIS WAS SUPPOSEDLY TAKEN THE SAME DAY. THIS PRETTY MUCH CONFIRMS THAT THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ''BODIES''. ARE YOU GONNA TRY AND CONVINCE ME AND SAY THAT THIS IS THE SAME BODY? I WAS NOT BORN A WEEK AGO.

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/7828/mjbody.jpg

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Actually if you look back a few posts, I posted a video that clearly shows two bodies in the helicopter. One with straps and one without the black straps. I think the one w/o straps might be a decoy dummy...but as some have pointed out why make a decoy when everyone knows they are headed to the LA Coroner's Office?
 
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Question 10 is something I thought about.
What about the families who lost someone through suicide that will have legal consequences if you ask me.

But I don't think (if he is still alive) he will return.

Did you guys saw the poll btw on the site of Derek Clontz.
They asked who believes he's alive and who doesn't
25,519 (56%) thinks he is alive and 19,689 (44%) thinks he has passed away.
http://derekclontz.com/2009/10/26/new-proves-most-fans-believe-michael-jackson-is-alive/#more-1918

1. Is Michael REALLY alive? Cassandra says: “Yes.”
2. Why did Michael fake his death? Cassandra says: “Michael was under enormous pressure at every turn: from fans, from hangers-on, from business associates and also, sadly, from his many enemies and haters, both inside and outside the media. After 50 years, he was exhausted, weak and, as everyone knows, had turned to prescription drugs. He realized he couldn’t go on that way and needed time and space to rest and recover.
3. Does MJ’s family know he faked his death? Cassandra says: “Michael does not want to discuss his family in public. But all fans know he is a wonderful son and a wonderful father – he would never do anything to hurt his family. If you think about that, the answer to this question will be clear to you.
4. Did Michael plan his death hoax for a long time? Cassandra: “Yes, Michael made his plans well in advance.
5. Will Michael return or stay in hiding? Cassandra says: “Michael’s intention is to come out of hiding in June 2010 and embark on a world tour that will eventually will include every inhabited continent and many, many countries. The tour will last for years, unfolding at a pace that doesn’t exhaust Michael or threaten his health.
6. Are there 33 clues in his This Is It movie that explain why he faked his death and went into hiding? Cassandra says: “Michael says ‘yes’. Fans have already found many of the clues, and I’m just another fan. Michael won’t even give me hints! But he does say, ‘If you look you will find them.’”
7. Did Michael attend his own funeral? Cassandra says: “Not in person, but he watched it via closed circuit.”
8. Did Michael help with the production and edits of This Is It? Cassandra says: “Yes.”
9. Isn’t Michael concerned about how much sadness his death hoax has caused fans? Cassandra says: “Michael loves his fans and would never do anything to hurt them. He is aware of the sadness, but as he puts it, ‘There was no alternative. If I hadn’t done this, I really would be dead. This way, I”ll be back.’”
10. Isn’t faking your death illegal? Isn’t Michael afraid he will get into trouble? Cassandra says: I’m not a lawyer, but I can say this – Michael is a powerful man, a wealthy man. He doesn’t behave rashly or without thinking and planning. He did what he felt he had to do. If there are consequences, legal consequences, he will deal with them with accordingly.
 
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1. Is Michael REALLY alive? Cassandra says: “Yes.”
2. Why did Michael fake his death? Cassandra says: “Michael was under enormous pressure at every turn: from fans, from hangers-on, from business associates and also, sadly, from his many enemies and haters, both inside and outside the media. After 50 years, he was exhausted, weak and, as everyone knows, had turned to prescription drugs. He realized he couldn’t go on that way and needed time and space to rest and recover.
3. Does MJ’s family know he faked his death? Cassandra says: “Michael does not want to discuss his family in public. But all fans know he is a wonderful son and a wonderful father – he would never do anything to hurt his family. If you think about that, the answer to this question will be clear to you.
4. Did Michael plan his death hoax for a long time? Cassandra: “Yes, Michael made his plans well in advance.
5. Will Michael return or stay in hiding? Cassandra says: “Michael’s intention is to come out of hiding in June 2010 and embark on a world tour that will eventually will include every inhabited continent and many, many countries. The tour will last for years, unfolding at a pace that doesn’t exhaust Michael or threaten his health.
6. Are there 33 clues in his This Is It movie that explain why he faked his death and went into hiding? Cassandra says: “Michael says ‘yes’. Fans have already found many of the clues, and I’m just another fan. Michael won’t even give me hints! But he does say, ‘If you look you will find them.’”
7. Did Michael attend his own funeral? Cassandra says: “Not in person, but he watched it via closed circuit.”
8. Did Michael help with the production and edits of This Is It? Cassandra says: “Yes.”
9. Isn’t Michael concerned about how much sadness his death hoax has caused fans? Cassandra says: “Michael loves his fans and would never do anything to hurt them. He is aware of the sadness, but as he puts it, ‘There was no alternative. If I hadn’t done this, I really would be dead. This way, I”ll be back.’”
10. Isn’t faking your death illegal? Isn’t Michael afraid he will get into trouble? Cassandra says: I’m not a lawyer, but I can say this – Michael is a powerful man, a wealthy man. He doesn’t behave rashly or without thinking and planning. He did what he felt he had to do. If there are consequences, legal consequences, he will deal with them with accordingly.

I wouldn't have thought that Michael would have been too happy with this "Cassandra" women telling everyone he's alive - sort of spoils the surprise...

Who is she, anyway?

If he is still alive, I suspect only a handful of people know about it and they'd be sworn to secrecy.
 
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Yeah, i've read that.. Would be so fantastic if it was true. But anyone can make this.

By The way, Mike said in the At Large 2006 interview that he wanted to make films.

"What's the big plan, whats the big picture at this tage in your life, what has been left unachieved, what would you like to do?"

MIKE: "Uhhhm... There are lot of suprises... FILM! I love film..
 
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Now, I believe Michael is..Sadly dead..There are people that are trying to mess with our emotions--and so far they're doing a pretty good damn job of doing just that. :(
 
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I am still confused. I cant believe nothing at moment, i cant believe he is dead, i cant believe he is alive. I think after judge Dr. Murray i can find for myself a answer. If he really go to prision, i am sure that our angel is dead. If not, the confusing starts again.

But i am sure that this cassandra is a fake.
 
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I believe MJ is dead. Who was the body they autopsied?? That fact and that alone you can't dispute. The coroner autopsied Michael's body. He is dead. I know it's hard to grasp, but he's gone.
 
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I believe MJ is dead. Who was the body they autopsied?? That fact and that alone you can't dispute. The coroner autopsied Michael's body. He is dead. I know it's hard to grasp, but he's gone.

Same here.
 
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Yes, this is the fact, which body they autopsie, if this was not michaels. DNA can not lie.
 
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Yes, this is the fact, which body they autopsie, if this was not michaels. DNA can not lie.

As far as I know, there wasn't a DNA test on the body. Someone contacted the LA coroner Craig Harvey and he said bodies are identified by drivers license and a family member.
 
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Well, did you ever see the body....?

Great Question the awnser is nobody have seen Michaels Body and if there was a body you can be sure that some paparazzi will get it in some way and show it all over the world to make Money .
 
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You can find Tupac's and Kennedy's autopsy pictures on the internet.
I do think it's strange Michaels pictures haven't leaked yet (and I hope they never will).

Could be because of good security at the coroners office or.......

Sadly, I really think he's gone and if some stuff shown in the media is fake, it's not because Michael is alive but to cover up other things.
 
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What do you think about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDz6rk5E5c

The book is real, you can google it and find more information.

This sort of things make me still think he's probably alive and it's like he told us "A great adventure".

Also last week the Chigago Tribune did a poll on her website with the question: "Is Michael Jackson stll Alive?". Most people said yes! It's the first big newspaper I know off that's maybe questioning his "death".
 
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I doubt it, he'd never do anything to hurt his family or fans, it's not who he is/was.
 
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What do you think about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDz6rk5E5c

The book is real, you can google it and find more information.

This sort of things make me still think he's probably alive and it's like he told us "A great adventure".

Also last week the Chigago Tribune did a poll on her website with the question: "Is Michael Jackson stll Alive?". Most people said yes! It's the first big newspaper I know off that's maybe questioning his "death".

Thanks for sharing.
Hadn't seen that one yet.
It IS kinda weird seeing stuff like this.
 
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Yes it's definitly very weird and 1 of the many clues he left for us (the fans) I think.
 
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What do you think about this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaDz6rk5E5c

The book is real, you can google it and find more information.

This sort of things make me still think he's probably alive and it's like he told us "A great adventure".

Also last week the Chigago Tribune did a poll on her website with the question: "Is Michael Jackson stll Alive?". Most people said yes! It's the first big newspaper I know off that's maybe questioning his "death".

What the hell?? Is that video true? Erm.. that is very freaky if it is.
*The comic thing is enough, but Murray changing his name?? - Wha how can we validate that claim?

I saw an online article asking if Michael was going to turn up to his film premiere.. I don't know which site it was but I was like - why are you even entertaining this idea? - they even had comments from an American hoaxer Alan Abel - who has actually faked his own death in the past:

In 1979 Abel staged his own death from a heart attack near the Sundance Ski Lodge. A fake funeral director collected his belongings and a woman posing as his widow notified the New York Times. The Times published an obituary January 2, 1980[1] (a rare example of a premature obituary). On January 3, 1980, Abel held a news conference to announce that the "reports of my demise have been grossly exaggerated".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Abel

This is about Alan Abel -
'His audience and stage are provided by the world's too-easy-to-please news media. ''I admire good journalism, but I rely on human gullibility, and especially on journalists' willingness to overlook the facts to get a good story or a scoop. It upsets me that Walter Cronkite, the so-called father of American television news, has told people he will never forgive me for having duped him with the naked animals protest. My God, this is a man who's been lied to by some really evil people ... and he hates me!
"We're all gullible. We're overloaded with information, dominated by fibre optics. It's a weird time ... we're like sheep or robots, following the leader, doing what everyone else does. That makes my work easy."It was never my purpose to make money," Abel added. '

Anyway.. OK, I said I had an open mind about all options - accidental death, murder, hoax.

I have accepted that Michael is gone whatever the reason, so the investigation of 'hoax' is not about denial.

I'm being openminded about the options because things just aren't making sense. I could write pages if I sat and got everything together, but this is what comes to mind right now...

25th June 2009
100 North Carolwood Drive


Murray's attorney stated that Murray entered the room in the afternoon and found Jackson in bed and not breathing. According to his attorney, Murray tried to revive Jackson for five to ten minutes, at which point he realized he needed to call for help. He was hindered because there was no landline in the house. weird, especially with the children there. He believed he could not use his cell phone to call 911 because he did not know the exact address. Oh really..how many times had he driven there? Besides, if he didn't know all he had to do was go tell someone else in the house STRAIGHT AWAY, problem solved. He phoned security but there was no answer. Finally Finally? After what? he ran downstairs, yelled for help, and told the chef who was in the kitchen to get security up to the room. By the time security called 911 about 30 minutes had passed. What was going on for 30 MINUTES? The New York Post said Jackson's 12-year-old son, Prince Michael Jackson, Jr., was present during the resuscitation attempts, and that the emergency services were contacted only after Jackson's father was told by a security guard that the singer was ill. ...?!

Murray said he was in contact with doctors at UCLA, who instructed the rescuers to inject epinephrine (adrenaline) directly into Jackson's heart. The autopsy said ephedrine?? Murray stated that Jackson continued to have a pulse when he was taken out of the house and put in the ambulance for the trip to the hospital. An LAFD official gave a different account. He said that paramedics found Jackson in "full cardiac arrest", and that they did not observe a change in Jackson's status en route to the hospital.

There QUITE a few different stories of this day, which I won't bother posting because we have all heard them.



Some things from the 911 call seemed strange, but they could have been honest mistakes I guess.

Extracts from 911 call -


Operator
Caller (Alberto Alvarez)

Ok. He's not conscious, he's not breathing?
Yes, he's not breathing sir
And he's not conscious either?
No, he's not conscious sir
(I'm no medical professional, but if a person is not breathing I don't think they'd be conscious)
Ok (pause). Alright, is he on the floor, where's he at right now?
He's on the bed sir, he's on the bed
( :O)
Ok, OK, we are on our way. We are less than a mile away and we will be there shortly.
Thank you sir, thank you
Ok sir. Call us back if you need any help. Thank you
(Call us back?! Since when do 911 hang up on you before the paramedics arrive?)


12:21pm paramedics are dispatched to Michael's home
12:26pm they arrive
Initial reports are that he had a 'faint pulse' on arrival (this story changed, paramedics later said he was dead already and there were signs of lividity - though the ambulance picture shows mj having cpr with an air pump - I thought CPR was not done on a DOA?)
Paramedics worked on him for 42mins before 'rushing' him to UCLA (why would they wait this long? Also, the video doesn't show much rushing with the ambulance where it is seen backing out very slowly, moving forward again, backing out slowly again)
1:14pm arrives at UCLA
2:26pm Michael is pronounced dead after being worked on for little over an hour.

(Remember Frank DiLeo said that when he arrived a nurse told him 'Michael was gone but they would continue working on him until his mother arrived.' [standard practice? I don't think so] )

Michael's chef Kai, on Larry King

''Larry - Did you see anyone remove the body (body? i thought he had a pulse, anyway..)

Kai - No. When the paramedics arrived, people, security were running around everywhere. The security asked us to leave the home at around 1:30pm so Michael could be taken to hospital.''

According to official reports MJ should have been at UCLA being worked on already at this time.

Media reports paramedics didn't realise for nearly 10 minutes that the victim was MJ.. one said 'It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man'.
 
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What the hell?? Is that video true? Erm.. that is very freaky if it is.

I saw an online article asking if Michael was going to turn up to his film premiere.. I don't know which site it was but I was like - why are you even entertaining this idea? - they even had comments from an American hoaxer Alan Abel - who has actually faked his own death in the past:



Anyway.. OK, I said I had an open mind about all options - accidental death, murder, hoax.

I have accepted that Michael is gone whatever the reason, so the investigation of 'hoax' is not about denial.

I'm being openminded about the options because things just aren't making sense. I could write pages if I sat and got everything together, but this is what comes to mind right now...

25th June 2009
100 North Carolwood Drive


Murray's attorney stated that Murray entered the room in the afternoon and found Jackson in bed and not breathing. According to his attorney, Murray tried to revive Jackson for five to ten minutes, at which point he realized he needed to call for help. He was hindered because there was no landline in the house. weird, especially with the children there. He believed he could not use his cell phone to call 911 because he did not know the exact address. Oh really..how many times had he driven there? Besides, if he didn't know all he had to do was go tell someone else in the house STRAIGHT AWAY, problem solved. He phoned security but there was no answer. Finally Finally? After what? he ran downstairs, yelled for help, and told the chef who was in the kitchen to get security up to the room. By the time security called 911 about 30 minutes had passed. What was going on for 30 MINUTES? The New York Post said Jackson's 12-year-old son, Prince Michael Jackson, Jr., was present during the resuscitation attempts, and that the emergency services were contacted only after Jackson's father was told by a security guard that the singer was ill. ...?!

Murray said he was in contact with doctors at UCLA, who instructed the rescuers to inject epinephrine (adrenaline) directly into Jackson's heart. The autopsy said ephedrine?? Murray stated that Jackson continued to have a pulse when he was taken out of the house and put in the ambulance for the trip to the hospital. An LAFD official gave a different account. He said that paramedics found Jackson in "full cardiac arrest", and that they did not observe a change in Jackson's status en route to the hospital.

There QUITE a few different stories of this day, which I won't bother posting because we have all heard them.



Some things from the 911 call seemed strange, but they could have been honest mistakes I guess.

Extracts from 911 call -


Operator
Caller (Alberto Alvarez)

Ok. He's not conscious, he's not breathing?
Yes, he's not breathing sir
And he's not conscious either?
No, he's not conscious sir
(I'm no medical professional, but if a person is not breathing I don't think they'd be conscious)
Ok (pause). Alright, is he on the floor, where's he at right now?
He's on the bed sir, he's on the bed
( :O)
Ok, OK, we are on our way. We are less than a mile away and we will be there shortly.
Thank you sir, thank you
Ok sir. Call us back if you need any help. Thank you
(Call us back?! Since when do 911 hang up on you before the paramedics arrive?)


12:21pm paramedics are dispatched to Michael's home
12:26pm they arrive
Initial reports are that he had a 'faint pulse' on arrival (this story changed, paramedics later said he was dead already and there were signs of lividity - though the ambulance picture shows mj having cpr with an air pump - I thought CPR was not done on a DOA?)
Paramedics worked on him for 42mins before 'rushing' him to UCLA (why would they wait this long? Also, the video doesn't show much rushing with the ambulance where it is seen backing out very slowly, moving forward again, backing out slowly again)
1:14pm arrives at UCLA
2:26pm Michael is pronounced dead after being worked on for little over an hour.

(Remember Frank DiLeo said that when he arrived a nurse told him 'Michael was gone but they would continue working on him until his mother arrived.' [standard practice? I don't think so] )

Michael's chef Kai, on Larry King



According to official reports MJ should have been at UCLA being worked on already at this time.

Media reports paramedics didn't realise for nearly 10 minutes that the victim was MJ.. one said 'It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man'.
 
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What the hell?? Is that video true? Erm.. that is very freaky if it is.
*The comic thing is enough, but Murray changing his name?? - Wha how can we validate that claim?

I saw an online article asking if Michael was going to turn up to his film premiere.. I don't know which site it was but I was like - why are you even entertaining this idea? - they even had comments from an American hoaxer Alan Abel - who has actually faked his own death in the past:



Anyway.. OK, I said I had an open mind about all options - accidental death, murder, hoax.

I have accepted that Michael is gone whatever the reason, so the investigation of 'hoax' is not about denial.

I'm being openminded about the options because things just aren't making sense. I could write pages if I sat and got everything together, but this is what comes to mind right now...

25th June 2009
100 North Carolwood Drive


Murray's attorney stated that Murray entered the room in the afternoon and found Jackson in bed and not breathing. According to his attorney, Murray tried to revive Jackson for five to ten minutes, at which point he realized he needed to call for help. He was hindered because there was no landline in the house. weird, especially with the children there. He believed he could not use his cell phone to call 911 because he did not know the exact address. Oh really..how many times had he driven there? Besides, if he didn't know all he had to do was go tell someone else in the house STRAIGHT AWAY, problem solved. He phoned security but there was no answer. Finally Finally? After what? he ran downstairs, yelled for help, and told the chef who was in the kitchen to get security up to the room. By the time security called 911 about 30 minutes had passed. What was going on for 30 MINUTES? The New York Post said Jackson's 12-year-old son, Prince Michael Jackson, Jr., was present during the resuscitation attempts, and that the emergency services were contacted only after Jackson's father was told by a security guard that the singer was ill. ...?!

Murray said he was in contact with doctors at UCLA, who instructed the rescuers to inject epinephrine (adrenaline) directly into Jackson's heart. The autopsy said ephedrine?? Murray stated that Jackson continued to have a pulse when he was taken out of the house and put in the ambulance for the trip to the hospital. An LAFD official gave a different account. He said that paramedics found Jackson in "full cardiac arrest", and that they did not observe a change in Jackson's status en route to the hospital.

There QUITE a few different stories of this day, which I won't bother posting because we have all heard them.



Some things from the 911 call seemed strange, but they could have been honest mistakes I guess.

Extracts from 911 call -


Operator
Caller (Alberto Alvarez)

Ok. He's not conscious, he's not breathing?
Yes, he's not breathing sir
And he's not conscious either?
No, he's not conscious sir
(I'm no medical professional, but if a person is not breathing I don't think they'd be conscious)
Ok (pause). Alright, is he on the floor, where's he at right now?
He's on the bed sir, he's on the bed
( :O)
Ok, OK, we are on our way. We are less than a mile away and we will be there shortly.
Thank you sir, thank you
Ok sir. Call us back if you need any help. Thank you
(Call us back?! Since when do 911 hang up on you before the paramedics arrive?)


12:21pm paramedics are dispatched to Michael's home
12:26pm they arrive
Initial reports are that he had a 'faint pulse' on arrival (this story changed, paramedics later said he was dead already and there were signs of lividity - though the ambulance picture shows mj having cpr with an air pump - I thought CPR was not done on a DOA?)
Paramedics worked on him for 42mins before 'rushing' him to UCLA (why would they wait this long? Also, the video doesn't show much rushing with the ambulance where it is seen backing out very slowly, moving forward again, backing out slowly again)
1:14pm arrives at UCLA
2:26pm Michael is pronounced dead after being worked on for little over an hour.

(Remember Frank DiLeo said that when he arrived a nurse told him 'Michael was gone but they would continue working on him until his mother arrived.' [standard practice? I don't think so] )

Michael's chef Kai, on Larry King



According to official reports MJ should have been at UCLA being worked on already at this time.

Media reports paramedics didn't realise for nearly 10 minutes that the victim was MJ.. one said 'It just looked like a frail, old, sickly man'.
 
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There is also the story that MJ collapsed on the floor and Prince thought he was playing dead when the news first broke. Who told that version of the story, I have wondered that?
 
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5. Will Michael return or stay in hiding? Cassandra says: “Michael’s intention is to come out of hiding in June 2010 and embark on a world tour that will eventually will include every inhabited continent and many, many countries. The tour will last for years, unfolding at a pace that doesn’t exhaust Michael or threaten his health.
If this was true, It would never happen because he would suffer bad consequences if he did that. He will face so many lawsuits and everything and plus it would be illegal as heck.

I searched for that and found out it was Stacy Brown http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/item_iG4b6TRpeMPBrJnd2QlgQL

Thanks for the info, I had wondered where that was from.
 
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There is also the story that MJ collapsed on the floor and Prince thought he was playing dead when the news first broke. Who told that version of the story, I have wondered that?
That was the prominent story that day and then all of a sudden you never hear about it again. I find it very odd that this story is a completely different story from the established story we have now.


Then there's that interview with Frank Dileo and Raffles Van excel where frank slips up and says he talked to Michael last night. Mind you, this interview took place months after Michael's death.

At 3:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cNeJjA6LlM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9uZxWu1slE
 
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Real talk I don't want to pop the hell off on that hoax site but their minds are far from gone he is dead trust me on that and the reason why he was killed wasn't just about money time will tell and the truth will set any body free. that Hoax site goes to another level but the blog about his lyrics are real and going at "them" so far they right but all that BS needs to be buried cause u giving "them" a good ol laugh.. "they are enjoying every moment of this.
Ok. Get your point. Many people have come into this thread just to say that. But the point is not that anyone here is entirely convinced that Michael is alive. We are just finding inconsistencies that so happens to lean toward the hoax THEORY. Some occurences just lead to that conclusion. You know all of the points that Rockin' made are valid. Nothing that was said here was based on any craziness or mental issue of desperately wanting Michael to be alive somewhere. She just stated the facts and what was odd about them.

I ,for one, cannot tell you what I truly feel happened that day because I don't know. Everyone who wasn't there that day don't know. You don't know either. Thus, No One is really qualified to shoot down any opinions because as of now there isn't enough information to rule certain things out. But there is enough evidence for me to believe that Michael was intentionally murdered OR like Rockin' said, Hoaxed his death because he felt as if his life was in danger.

Yes, there are some unstable fans at the moment that might take these little occurences and run with the idea that Michael is alive as if it's fact, its unpreventable and understandable.

Am I going to create a forum or join a forum that simply talks about a Hoax death and that only? No. I don't have that much faith in the hoax theory but here at MJJC thank heavens we are allowed to have this little section where we can question everything without making a definite statement. and That's that. No One's pushing anything here, we are all just trying to connect the dots.

The more we find, the more we help each other in finding the truth. Sometimes I find that the evidence found for the hoax theory coincidentally supports or sheds light on the murder investigation.

I simply feel that Michael was in fear for his life during the possible last days. He either escaped it or his worst fears became realized.
 
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Ok. Get your point. Many people have come into this thread just to say that. But the point is not that anyone here is entirely convinced that Michael is alive. We are just finding inconsistencies that so happens to lean toward the hoax THEORY. Some occurences just lead to that conclusion. You know all of the points that Rockin' made are valid. Nothing that was said here was based on any craziness or mental issue of desperately wanting Michael to be alive somewhere. She just stated the facts and what was odd about them.

I ,for one, cannot tell you what I truly feel happened that day because I don't know. Everyone who wasn't there that day don't know. You don't know either. Thus, No One is really qualified to shoot down any opinions because as of now there isn't enough information to rule certain things out. But there is enough evidence for me to believe that Michael was intentionally murdered OR like Rockin' said, Hoaxed his death because he felt as if his life was in danger.

Yes, there are some unstable fans at the moment that might take these little occurences and run with the idea that Michael is alive as if it's fact, its unpreventable and understandable.

Am I going to create a forum or join a forum that simply talks about a Hoax death and that only? No. I don't have that much faith in the hoax theory but here at MJJC thank heavens we are allowed to have this little section where we can question everything without making a definite statement. and That's that. No One's pushing anything here, we are all just trying to connect the dots.

The more we find, the more we help each other in finding the truth. Sometimes I find that the evidence found for the hoax theory coincidentally supports or sheds light on the murder investigation.

I simply feel that Michael was in fear for his life during the possible last days. He either escaped it or his worst fears became realized.

I agree with your post and I would like to say that I appreciate it too that we can have this little section here.

And about your post of Franks slip up I didn't even hear that during the interview :doh: thanks for putting that out.
 
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