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Where have all the Follower Fans gone? We've heard from a few but look how many were with MJ when he went to Kleins office. And MJ must have trust them enough to let them come to his Dr's office. Surely they must know something significant. They were in his inner circle. And they were around him alot in that last month, you see them in a lot of the paps shots in that last month.

Now I know that one of them must have recorded the 50 shows complaint. It's possible that Michael had something on another occasion. Also it was one of the fans who sent letters expressing their concern for Michael. Unfortunately by then it was too late. And at the time alot here (including myself) didnt believe them. :( They may also not be allowed to talk per the investigation. I wish we could get some sort of indication.
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Where have all the Follower Fans gone? We've heard from a few but look how many were with MJ when he went to Kleins office. And MJ must have trust them enough to let them come to his Dr's office. Surely they must know something significant. They were in his inner circle. And they were around him alot in that last month, you see them in a lot of the paps shots in that last month.

Now I know that one of them must have recorded the 50 shows complaint. It's possible that Michael had something on another occasion. Also it was one of the fans who sent letters expressing their concern for Michael. Unfortunately by then it was too late. And at the time alot here (including myself) didnt believe them. :( They may also not be allowed to talk per the investigation. I wish we could get some sort of indication.
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Where have they gone? Some of them are carrying the banner for the fight against injustice and all those who stood by or pushed Michael to his death- they are the TINI group.

Some of them are continuing Michael's work with Heal the World for Children.

Some are grieving each day while their lives just froze in that moment they saw Michael for the last time, a few hours before he was killed, a few hours before they stood by his car to give him letters of concern, letters in which they were pleading with him to stop the tour so that he keeps on living for the sake of his kids! Or in the torturing moments outside the hospital watching the helicopter and swarmed by the press. They just can't move on, helplessly watching how nothing gets done for justice. And don't get fooled thinking people bother with their testimonies
 
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I wish they were among us to share their grief.
I'm sure their life was cut in two the moment they found out Michael's passing-just like ours,only they were always around him and tried their best to protect him and warn him.

Plus they were the last to have seen him-I've heard that they managed to get a glimpse of him in the morning of 6/25.
So devastating...
 
They were bashed and insulted many times, including this board.
they were alarming that something wrong was going on with Michael in June, but then the was the choir of people silencing them.
I have bookmarked this thread from June:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64383

Michael died - so the thing happened that only they were predicting as possible and alarming about Michael's health, but nobody wanted to listened to them. SO they organised the campain as TINI to raise consciousness about the circumstances of filming the rehersals and Michael's condition. Again, bashing and insulting that they are "destroying" (sic!) Michael's "legacy".

They are eye witnesses of what happened in a way. they already stated for several times that nobody was filming during that meeting with Michael, that that was somebody from outside that must have heard the conversation.
 
Cris, you made me :cry: again. I don't blame them for staying away from the general MJ forums. They're abused & accused when they do post. It really is a shame....
 
I went through this previous thread about FFs. Besides being a very sad thread,I can see how these people were bashed, maybe because Michael was still with us at the time, so they sounded like odd Cassandras at the time...
Very sadly, Michael is gone, much of what they were saying came true,and here we are trying to figure out what happened and why...
 
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of course everybody feels GREAT pain after what happened and I don´t see why some of you guys keep repeating that "it´s not only the FF" - where did they say tehy suffer MORE than others?

the only thing they MIGHT suffer more is because of being bashed by other people on boards starting from the beginning of June 2010 everytime there is a thread or post about them. Just let them be.
 
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They were bashed and insulted many times, including this board.
they were alarming that something wrong was going on with Michael in June, but then the was the choir of people silencing them.
I have bookmarked this thread from June:
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64383

Michael died - so the thing happened that only they were predicting as possible and alarming about Michael's health, but nobody wanted to listened to them. SO they organised the campain as TINI to raise consciousness about the circumstances of filming the rehersals and Michael's condition. Again, bashing and insulting that they are "destroying" (sic!) Michael's "legacy".

They are eye witnesses of what happened in a way. they already stated for several times that nobody was filming during that meeting with Michael, that that was somebody from outside that must have heard the conversation.
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Yes, they WERE bashed and abused and treated with incredible disrespect, on this and other fan-boards. it was deplorable, and heartbreaking. They were trying to save Michael, and the fan community treated them like traitors. I never did understand it. I tried to STOP the abuse, as staff, but was ignored. I am SO sorry that happened to them. Really. Then after Michael died, even though, and sadly, they'd been proven RIGHT, they were again treated like crap for TINI.

I didn't think they were "odd" at all in what they were saying. I was already concerned that Michael was making so many doctor's visits, and he looked very thin to me. Some fans explained it away, as "Oh, he's just getting some 'cosmetic treatments,'" or whatever. They didn't KNOW that. I read the FF's email plea to Karen Faye, and totally believed it. I really don't know why anyone doubted them, anyway. That email was up for just a few hours, but many read it. It had the ring of truth, to me. (Some of the fans who abused the FF are the SAME ones to grow hostile at any sign of "conspiracies" or "investigations." I will not state my opinion of that here. You can imagine. . . . . )

We are all suffering, but my heart goes out to them for their pain. My opinion is that their pain IS worse, actually. They suffered the loss of Michael, and they suffered the abuse of other fans. They have my respect for their courage. I grew very disillusioned about humanity, in a sense, after seeing how badly they were treated. They cared enough about Michael to risk, and then withstand, the abuse. They should be applauded for that.

They were EYEWITNESSES!
 
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After seeing his weight, I believe them. I didn't bash them but I didn't know if I could believe them but after seeing more evidence they were right about a lot of things. Actually, I signed a petition recently they have about the investigation.
 
I couldn't think of any reason NOT to believe them, nor could I imagine any possible agenda that would cause them to lie about such an important thing. What is discouraging is that now that they were, sadly, proven right, the bashing continues.
 
I didn't know who they were at the time. I followed Michael but not on the web because had know access to it. So after these many months of investigating myself on the web. I find a lot of what they say rings true.
 
I think that the FF are a humble group of people and it is jsut terrible the crap that they have endured from others...THEY have no personal agenda in all this...so why people wouldn't believe them is beyond me....All I can say to them now is Thank You for doing what you could at the time and thank you for doing what it is you are doing now.
 
Victoria83 said:
They were EYEWITNESSES!
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This is why I started this thread, to try and stir the pot a little and get somebody, anybody to stand up and say what they know. Everything is too quiet and day by day, the murders are getting away. This is much bigger than Murray and Michael must have known something was up and may have said more to these fans. He trusted them enough to take them Kleins office all the time.

At the same time, they may need to keep quiet for the benefit of the investigation.
 
I have always believed the follower fans and read the letters they attempted to get to Michael ( did he ever receive them I wonder ?) and I support them fully. I can only hope that they are heard by the right people in relation to the investigation concerning Michael's death.
 
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I have always believed the follower fans and read the letters they attempted to get to Michael ( did he ever receive them I wonder ?) and I support them fully. I can only hope that they are heard by the right people in relation to the investigation concerning Michael's death.
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My understanding is that they handed the letters to Michael in the car. Then Security TOOK the letters away from Michael and said they'd give them to him later? Did they? They also said they could talk to Michael by phone, and cut that contact in the car short. The FF tried to talk to him by phone, but all calls were dropped. Then he died.

I just want to say "thank you" to the Follower Fans. Again.

I think now that he must have been frightened. .. . . . .
 
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My understanding is that they handed the letters to Michael in the car. Then Security TOOK the letters away from Michael and said they'd give them to him later? Did they? They also said they could talk to Michael by phone, and cut that contact in the car short. The FF tried to talk to him by phone, but all calls were dropped. Then he died.

I just want to say "thank you" to the Follower Fans. Again.

I think now that he must have been frightened. .. . . . .
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Could we compile a short timeline of facts AFTER Michael complained to the FF about the 50 concerts?
Something tells me that things began speeding up!
 
They started the petition to LAPD, it is significant because it shows they don't trust LAPD. I suppose they have been heard by some authorities without any consequences. They feel no justice will be done and they continue their fight. If the investigation had been thorough, FF woud have been confronted with others involved indicated by them. FF know that there isn't enough investigation.
They should be treated as witnesses. Some employee wrote down their testimonies and that's all.
 
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Shame.

I just took a look at that old thread...

Sometimes fans will come in here and say something against status-quo and they're already good enough to have their heads chopped off.

I understand some fans were being protective of Michael's image as there were already tabloid journalists saying similar things which repeatedly kept on being denied.
Then there were fans that were ACTAUALLY there and saw for themselves firsthand what was going on...

How was anyone supposed to know who was telling truth? I

I don't think its anyones fault. No One did anything wrong. We are all victims in this deceit.
In the end , everyone did what they knew to be right but whatever happened, happened anyways.

But I still don't get fans that still persist in bashing the follower fans, they are the closest thing to the truth for now IMHO.
 
I believed the followers story as soon as I first heard it and I was one of the few who posted my support of them in that thread on this sight where they were bashed and attacked for telling us from their perspective what was happening to our Michael. I even pmed one of them who was really getting beat up on here; to tell them I believed them but did not get a response.


I had already been very concerned and suspicious of a few things I picked up on from many of MJ's recent pics at that time, so what the followers told us, was of no surprise to me at all.

I hope they are doing ok, I can't imagine their pain right now.

They tried to save Michael and did all what they could.
 
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Could we compile a short timeline of facts AFTER Michael complained to the FF about the 50 concerts?
Something tells me that things began speeding up!
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In fact there was a long discussion in the thread on Dileo's interview, where the FF were explaining many things. One of the problems were what happened after that meeting - they were saying that the security started isolating them from Michael, the car was not stopping as usual, and they did not have some many opportunities to communicate with Michael anymore.

They generally pictured Michael as very isolated.

The whole debate with FF involvement (and coverign other issues) starts here
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2349217#post2349217
 
FF are now again disgusted by the TII crew and issued another statement about the DVD release on their FB. Kenny and Travis had no shame, dancing on his grave like that in NYC on the 25!! To promote their blood movie!

Let me ask you this. If Kenny and other TII staff didn't see the signs, and Michael was completely happy, willing, able, etc and they suddenly heard the news, what would be their first words? Certainly not going to another crew member out of the blue and saying "we lost him" and expect to be understood immediately? As if they surely feared that? What not say "omg, this is unbelievable, something terrible happened and we don't understand why" Think about it!!! It was all under their eyes and they did what??? And now smile and promote themselves and dance?? And shed crocodile tears? Kenny used to yell at Michael at rehearsals and Michael had no choice, was trapped. What a friend!!
And all the fans praising and putting this snake on a piedestal!!!

Sorry, I had to vent a bit, I'm just too upset
 
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FF are now again disgusted by the TII crew and issued another statement about the DVD release on their FB. Kenny and Travis had no shame, dancing on his grave like that in NYC on the 25!! To promote their blood movie!

Let me ask you this. If Kenny and other TII staff didn't see the signs, and Michael was completely happy, willing, able, etc and they suddenly heard the news, what would be their first words? Certainly not going to another crew member out of the blue and saying "we lost him" and expect to be understood immediately? As if they surely feared that? What not say "omg, this is unbelievable, something terrible happened and we don't understand why" Think about it!!! It was all under their eyes and they did what??? And now smile and promote themselves and dance?? And shed crocodile tears? Kenny used to yell at Michael at rehearsals and Michael had no choice, was trapped. What a friend!!
And all the fans praising and putting this snake on a piedestal!!!

Sorry, I had to vent a bit, I'm just too upset
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NVM. (smiley speaks for itself)
 
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
This is why I started this thread, to try and stir the pot a little and get somebody, anybody to stand up and say what they know. Everything is too quiet and day by day, the murders are getting away. This is much bigger than Murray and Michael must have known something was up and may have said more to these fans. He trusted them enough to take them Kleins office all the time.

At the same time, they may need to keep quiet for the benefit of the investigation.
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Or for their safety.
 
^^ Very true. Im just hoping that if they know more, that they can somehow find the courage to step foward. Although if they have no real physical proof, its just he said she said right? Dunno.
 
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At that time when THE SUN reported MJ told fan he didn't want to do 50shows and the fan posted the same thing here, everyone here said they lied. I raised my concern and all my posts got deleted! :cry:
If he hadnt died from all the injustice and mishandling by the vultures, I wouldnt have been this depress and sad! :cry: :cry:
 
All these people, they saw that his weight decrease abnormally and he complaint to them about being cold but they just ignore him! They left left him to die in front of their eyes! Seeing him struggling and in discomfort! :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
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